[01:14] Hi, should be linux-rt or do I have to download it? [01:14] seems like its not in repos [01:15] azm: do you need it? [01:15] holstein, I thought it would fix my xruns [01:16] you can use abogani's or falks PPA [01:16] https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa [01:17] ok, thanks. [01:17] :) [01:17] azm: did you get jack-pulse sorted? [01:17] pulse-jack * [01:17] nope, I have no clue where to start [01:18] is pulse running? [01:18] it worked fine and after reboot it stops [01:18] I will ask falktx if he will be around [01:19] yeah, he'll know [01:19] you can try issuing via alt-f2 [01:19] pulseaudio [01:19] also how is it solved in ubuntustudio, the pulse and jack issue ? [01:19] I never got it properly working together [01:19] azm: solved? [01:19] *solved = done [01:19] azm: not sure if there are plans to do anything about it really [01:20] JACK usually suspends pulse [01:20] and so far, thats usually fine for most folks [01:21] yea but then you have no sound in firefox eg [01:21] right [01:21] thats not what my production machine is for anyway [01:21] so, thats fine with me [01:21] but, i see the need [01:21] and the frustration [01:21] kinda sad. I would expect things like this resolved for such distro. [01:22] azm: i was going to suggest not shipping with anything that doesnt support JACK ;) [01:22] actually I thought it must be my personal problem [01:22] not the ubuntustudios [01:22] well, out of the box [01:22] sound works [01:22] pulse FF whatever [01:22] you may or may not need JACK [01:23] and if you do, there are certain things that come with using JACK [01:23] yea with patch that normal user can barely found [01:23] *find [01:23] azm: nah, out of the box, everything is normal [01:23] just like ubuntu vanilla [01:23] that is what I find weird [01:24] eh, you cant please everyone [01:24] I think it could be better to somehow got it ready for sound production [01:24] lots of folk use it for graphics [01:24] and US needs to kinda be in the middle ground i think [01:24] well that is not big deal [01:24] azm: BUT, i totally hear you [01:25] and remember my frustrations trying to set up any buntu for audio production [01:25] ok, I understand that [01:25] but, we are chipping away at what we can [01:25] when we can [01:25] and actually making some nice progress [01:25] instead of this, maybe some readme popup tutorial how to get it working properly for each user base would be nice [01:26] azm: you mean for JACK? [01:26] that would be great... but all hardware is kinda different [01:26] yep jack and pa together [01:26] or just jack [01:26] best we can do is spread the word about the wikis [01:26] and try and keep them updated [01:26] both solution actually works and get broken sometimes for me [01:27] thats true [01:28] but eg. jack pulse brisge works out of the box [01:28] *bridge [01:29] in theory [01:29] i have to start pulse manually [01:29] falk does not have any tutorial on site [01:29] or make my own startup entry for it [01:29] BUT, i dont use it much anyways [01:29] azm: falk made it [01:29] the pulse-jack brige [01:29] yea [01:29] bridge* [01:29] and for his purposes [01:30] KXstudio [01:30] there doesnt need to be a tutorial [01:30] since its usually 'just working' [01:30] in the background [01:30] what is the difference ? [01:30] azm: JACK is running at login [01:30] and the pulse-jack bridge is already running [01:31] SO, he doesnt need to explain how to use it [01:31] one of us would need to do that for the ubuntustudio community [01:31] and i dont feel like i understand it enough [01:31] nor, use it enough to comment on it [01:31] or do a tutorial [01:32] I see, so there are some advantages to run it before login [01:32] azm: sure, its just out of my usual workflow [01:32] and im still not a fan of KDE [01:32] so you use jack for all stuff? [01:33] me neither [01:33] on my production machine [01:33] ah, well I have now one ntb only [01:33] ah, falk is here [01:33] I will ask [01:33] cool :) [17:06] does someone running -33 realtime with nvidia drivers? [17:06] I had no luck installing them from cmd [17:09] azm: i just dont [17:09] i just use nouveau [17:10] if it would have 3d support I would use it too [17:10] compiz? [17:10] its kinda still in development [17:10] nope, blender eg. [17:10] AH [17:11] doesnt work? [17:11] azm: try catching falk [17:11] to be honest I never tried [17:11] OR ask in #kxstudio [17:11] I just read specs [17:11] i know folks are doing it [17:11] BUT, 3d works on my card [17:11] just not compiz [17:12] which is fine for that box [17:12] and how is the performance with flash and browser? [17:12] i dont know [17:12] i dont hav flash installed on that machine [17:12] have* [17:12] that problem is that you are not using it for everything like me [17:12] other video plays fine [17:12] its a pretty peppy box [17:13] well I will try -31 now or compile -33 myself [17:13] azm: falk addressed that [17:13] the nividia drivers [17:13] his kernels are supposed to be patched of nvidia proprietary drivers [17:14] that should do it [17:14] i just never tried to confirm that [17:14] I downloaded newest driver from nvidia [17:14] tried to run but i to got some error [17:15] azm: the -lowlatency is friendlier [17:15] the distribution provided pre install script failed! [17:15] azm: what latency setting are you running at? [17:15] i mean, i can hear anything above 11ms or so really [17:15] SO, if you're getting xruns at like 20ms [17:16] i say, go ahead and relax JACK settings [17:16] and just use tht generic kernel [17:16] now periods 3 frames 1024 [17:16] which already kinda sucks [17:16] azm: yeah, so you're not getting anything you can use in realtime anyways [17:16] SO, you might as well bump that up [17:17] and just roll with what you got [17:17] if I relax jack settings I have delay in seconds [17:17] lol [17:17] azm: yeah, but does it really matter? [17:17] i mean, you're already at like 60ms [17:17] probably [17:17] SO, who cares if its a second [17:17] ardour adjusts [17:18] well If you play in rackarrack eg. and the sound goes out delayd from speakers its weird [17:18] you already cant use rakarrack live [17:18] or soft synths [17:18] but its problem with media too [17:18] you play youtube video [17:18] media? [17:18] azm: just stop JACK [17:18] and play the video [17:19] and its start to get xruns and I get lags [17:19] that is not option [17:19] yeah? [17:19] not for me [17:19] too demanding [17:19] :) [17:19] theres a GUI for it [17:19] a button and all [17:19] I know [17:19] not too bad [17:19] Im usingi t [17:19] and i have a mixer [17:20] line mixer [17:20] i route whatever cards/devices to whatever speakers i want [17:20] azm: thats a realtime connection ;) [17:20] analog, outside the box :)