[01:14] <azm> Hi, should be linux-rt or do I have to download it?
[01:14] <azm> seems like its not in repos
[01:15] <holstein> azm: do you need it?
[01:15] <azm> holstein, I thought it would fix my xruns
[01:16] <holstein> you can use abogani's or falks PPA
[01:16] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[01:17] <azm> ok, thanks.
[01:17] <holstein> :)
[01:17] <holstein> azm: did you get jack-pulse sorted?
[01:17] <holstein> pulse-jack *
[01:17] <azm> nope, I have no clue where to start
[01:18] <holstein> is pulse running?
[01:18] <azm> it worked fine and after reboot it stops
[01:18] <azm> I will ask falktx if he will be around
[01:19] <holstein> yeah, he'll know
[01:19] <holstein> you can try issuing via alt-f2
[01:19] <holstein> pulseaudio
[01:19] <azm> also how is it solved in ubuntustudio, the pulse and jack issue ?
[01:19] <azm> I never got it properly working together
[01:19] <holstein> azm: solved?
[01:19] <azm> *solved = done
[01:19] <holstein> azm: not sure if there are plans to do anything about it really
[01:20] <holstein> JACK usually suspends pulse
[01:20] <holstein> and so far, thats usually fine for most folks
[01:21] <azm> yea but then you have no sound in firefox eg
[01:21] <holstein> right
[01:21] <holstein> thats not what my production machine is for anyway
[01:21] <holstein> so, thats fine with me
[01:21] <holstein> but, i see the need
[01:21] <holstein> and the frustration
[01:21] <azm> kinda sad. I would expect things like this resolved for such distro.
[01:22] <holstein> azm: i was going to suggest not shipping with anything that doesnt support  JACK ;)
[01:22] <azm> actually I thought it must be my personal problem
[01:22] <azm> not the ubuntustudios
[01:22] <holstein> well, out of the box
[01:22] <holstein> sound works
[01:22] <holstein> pulse FF whatever
[01:22] <holstein> you may or may not need JACK
[01:23] <holstein> and if you do, there are certain things that come with using JACK
[01:23] <azm> yea with patch that normal user can barely found
[01:23] <azm> *find
[01:23] <holstein> azm: nah, out of the box, everything is normal
[01:23] <holstein> just like ubuntu vanilla
[01:23] <azm> that is what I find weird
[01:24] <holstein> eh, you cant please everyone
[01:24] <azm> I think it could be better to somehow got it ready for sound production
[01:24] <holstein> lots of folk use it for graphics
[01:24] <holstein> and US needs to kinda be in the middle ground i think
[01:24] <azm> well that is not big deal
[01:24] <holstein> azm: BUT, i totally hear you
[01:25] <holstein> and remember my frustrations trying to set up any buntu for audio production
[01:25] <azm> ok, I understand that
[01:25] <holstein> but, we are chipping away at what we can
[01:25] <holstein> when we can
[01:25] <holstein> and actually making some nice progress
[01:25] <azm> instead of this, maybe some readme popup tutorial how to get it working properly for each user base would be nice
[01:26] <holstein> azm: you mean for JACK?
[01:26] <holstein> that would be great... but all hardware is kinda different
[01:26] <azm> yep jack and pa together
[01:26] <azm> or just jack
[01:26] <holstein> best we can do is spread the word about the wikis
[01:26] <holstein> and try and keep them updated
[01:26] <azm> both solution actually works and get broken sometimes for me
[01:27] <azm> thats true
[01:28] <azm> but eg. jack pulse brisge works out of the box
[01:28] <azm> *bridge
[01:29] <holstein> in theory
[01:29] <holstein> i have to start pulse manually
[01:29] <azm> falk does not have any tutorial on site
[01:29] <holstein> or make my own startup entry for it
[01:29] <holstein> BUT, i dont use it much anyways
[01:29] <holstein> azm: falk made it
[01:29] <holstein> the pulse-jack brige
[01:29] <azm> yea
[01:29] <holstein> bridge*
[01:29] <holstein> and for his purposes
[01:30] <holstein> KXstudio
[01:30] <holstein> there doesnt need to be a tutorial
[01:30] <holstein> since its usually 'just working'
[01:30] <holstein> in the background
[01:30] <azm> what is the difference ?
[01:30] <holstein> azm: JACK is running at login
[01:30] <holstein> and the pulse-jack bridge is already running
[01:31] <holstein> SO, he doesnt need to explain how to use it
[01:31] <holstein> one of us would need to do that for the ubuntustudio community
[01:31] <holstein> and i dont feel like i understand it enough
[01:31] <holstein> nor, use it enough to comment on it
[01:31] <holstein> or do a tutorial
[01:32] <azm> I see, so there are some advantages to run it before login
[01:32] <holstein> azm: sure, its just out of my usual workflow
[01:32] <holstein> and im still not a fan of KDE
[01:32] <azm> so you use jack for all stuff?
[01:33] <azm> me neither
[01:33] <holstein> on my production machine
[01:33] <azm> ah, well I have now one ntb only
[01:33] <azm> ah, falk is here
[01:33] <azm> I will ask
[01:33] <holstein> cool :)
[17:06] <azm> does someone running -33 realtime with nvidia drivers?
[17:06] <azm> I had no luck installing them from cmd
[17:09] <holstein> azm: i just dont
[17:09] <holstein> i just use nouveau
[17:10] <azm> if it would have 3d support I would use it too
[17:10] <holstein> compiz?
[17:10] <azm> its kinda still in development
[17:10] <azm> nope, blender eg.
[17:10] <holstein> AH
[17:11] <holstein> doesnt work?
[17:11] <holstein> azm: try catching falk
[17:11] <azm> to be honest I never tried
[17:11] <holstein> OR ask in #kxstudio
[17:11] <azm> I just read specs
[17:11] <holstein> i know folks are doing it
[17:11] <holstein> BUT, 3d works on my card
[17:11] <holstein> just not compiz
[17:12] <holstein> which is fine for that box
[17:12] <azm> and how is the performance with flash and browser?
[17:12] <holstein> i dont know
[17:12] <holstein> i dont hav flash installed on that machine
[17:12] <holstein> have*
[17:12] <azm> that problem is that you are not using it for everything like me
[17:12] <holstein> other video plays fine
[17:12] <holstein> its a pretty peppy box
[17:13] <azm> well I will try -31 now or compile -33 myself
[17:13] <holstein> azm: falk addressed that
[17:13] <holstein> the nividia drivers
[17:13] <holstein> his kernels are supposed to be patched of nvidia proprietary drivers
[17:14] <azm> that should do it
[17:14] <holstein> i just never tried to confirm that
[17:14] <azm> I downloaded newest driver from nvidia
[17:14] <azm> tried to run but i to got some error
[17:15] <holstein> azm: the -lowlatency is friendlier
[17:15] <azm> the distribution provided pre install script failed!
[17:15] <holstein> azm: what latency setting are you running at?
[17:15] <holstein> i mean, i can hear anything above 11ms or so really
[17:15] <holstein> SO, if you're getting xruns at like 20ms
[17:16] <holstein> i say, go ahead and relax JACK settings
[17:16] <holstein> and just use tht generic kernel
[17:16] <azm> now periods 3 frames 1024
[17:16] <azm> which already kinda sucks
[17:16] <holstein> azm: yeah, so you're not getting anything you can use in realtime anyways
[17:16] <holstein> SO, you might as well bump that up
[17:17] <holstein> and just roll with what you got
[17:17] <azm> if I relax jack settings I have delay in seconds
[17:17] <azm> lol
[17:17] <holstein> azm: yeah, but does it really matter?
[17:17] <holstein> i mean, you're already at like 60ms
[17:17] <holstein> probably
[17:17] <holstein> SO, who cares if its a second
[17:17] <holstein> ardour adjusts
[17:18] <azm> well If you play in rackarrack eg. and the sound goes out delayd from speakers its weird
[17:18] <holstein> you already cant use rakarrack live
[17:18] <holstein> or soft synths
[17:18] <azm> but its problem with media too
[17:18] <azm> you play youtube video
[17:18] <holstein> media?
[17:18] <holstein> azm: just stop JACK
[17:18] <holstein> and play the video
[17:19] <azm> and its start to get xruns and I get lags
[17:19] <azm> that is not option
[17:19] <holstein> yeah?
[17:19] <azm> not for me
[17:19] <azm> too demanding
[17:19] <azm> :)
[17:19] <holstein> theres a GUI for it
[17:19] <holstein> a button and all
[17:19] <azm> I know
[17:19] <holstein> not too bad
[17:19] <azm> Im usingi t
[17:19] <holstein> and i have a mixer
[17:20] <holstein> line mixer
[17:20] <holstein> i route whatever cards/devices to whatever speakers i want
[17:20] <holstein> azm: thats a realtime connection ;)
[17:20] <holstein> analog, outside the box :)