[00:33] <bonny> how do i turn on compositing in lubuntu
[00:34] <jmarsden> bonny: I think there is a blog article... http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442 which talks about adding compiz and emerald... probably worth a look.
[00:34] <bonny> k
[00:47] <ruser> How do I enable MouseKeys (Numeric Keypad)
[00:48] <ruser> Alt+Shift+Num Lock and Shift+Ctrl+Num Lock doesn't work
[00:55] <semitones> hey kind of offtopic question maybe, but what are some of the things from ubuntu/GNOME that you miss in Lubuntu?
[01:07] <moonchild> hey guys, quick question for y'all about lubuntu...
[01:08] <moonchild> I'm looking for a distro that I can install on a 1-gig flash drive
[01:08] <semitones> puppy linux :)
[01:08] <semitones> so nice to use
[01:08] <moonchild> will lubuntu (with a normal set of dev tools) fit?
[01:08] <moonchild> yeah, I'd like to stay with the debian/ubuntu family of distros
[01:14] <bonny> ok i have compizconfig settings manager how do i turn compositing on
[01:14] <moonchild> so can I pack lubutu into a 1-gig disk?
[01:15] <bonny> yes
[01:15] <bonny> ok i have compizconfig settings manager how do i turn compositing on
[01:16] <szczur> moonchild, i doubt it. i think 2,5 GB is a safe margin not counting the swap partition. especially if you want to install something
[01:17] <moonchild> I don't want a swap
[01:17] <szczur> of course you can create live-usb but then you won't be able to save anything permanently
[01:17] <moonchild> just something that I can temporarily install on a box
[01:17] <szczur> but you can of course try :)
[01:18] <moonchild> yeah, I've tried a couple of distros that bomb out saying that they can't install on a medium that small
[01:18] <szczur> you can also check installation from a mini.iso and install only base packages like lubuntu-core
[01:19] <moonchild> hmm
[01:19] <moonchild> check installation?
[01:19] <szczur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[01:20] <bonny> OMG help me
[01:21] <bonny> ???
[01:22] <szczur> bonny, sudo apt-get install fusion-icon
[01:23] <bonny> just tell me wat to do afterwards ill be right back
[01:24] <szczur> wait for a moment
[01:28] <szczur> bonny, after installation follow these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How%20I%20can%20autostart%20a%20program%20when%20logging%20in%20to%20Desktop
[01:28] <szczur> but replace urxvtd.desktop with fusion-icon.desktop
[01:30] <szczur> then go to system tools in programs menu and run compiz-fusion icon
[01:30] <szczur> you can run, stop and restart compiz from there
[01:39] <bonny> ya i see a whole load off info but nothing about compositing
[01:41] <szczur> i mean making the fusion icon start automatically
[01:42] <szczur> you have to run terminal and execute this
[01:42] <szczur>  cp /usr/share/applications/fusion-icon.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
[01:43] <szczur> and then you're going to Menu -> Preferences -> Desktop Session Settings
[01:43] <bonny> ok
[01:43] <szczur> and tick the fusion icon
[01:43] <szczur> you can also start the fusion icon manually by going to Menu -> System Tools -> Fusion Icon
[01:45] <bonny> ok
[01:46] <bonny> then wat do i do how do i enable compositing
[01:47] <szczur> if you run fusion icon, you can rightclick it and in windowmanager choose compiz
[01:47] <bonny> yep its compiz
[01:47] <bonny> now what's the next step
[01:48] <szczur> something like this > http://tombuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/fusionicon.jpg
[01:48] <szczur> if the compiz is chosen then you should have it running right now
[01:54] <bonny_> but then when i click compiz my taskbar just dissapears
[01:54] <bonny_> and then i had to shutdown
[01:54] <szczur> what graphics card do you have?
[01:55] <bonny_> how do i check on lubuntu
[01:55] <szczur> lspci | grep VGA
[01:55] <szczur> in terminal
[01:55] <bonny_> just type that in terminal
[01:55] <szczur> yup
[01:56] <semitones> Is it possible to adjust the DPI in lubuntu?
[01:56] <bonny_> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[01:56] <bonny_> thats wat it says
[01:57]  * jmarsden thinks... compiz on an Intel 810????  Is that really possible?
[01:58] <jmarsden> compiz is not really intended to be run on 12 year old onboard graphics chips, as far as I know.
[01:58] <bonny_> well i have two cpmuters ones a windows 7 and i had an old one so i decided to change it to a lubuntu
[01:58] <jmarsden> That part is fine, it is the compiz part that is not so... usual.
[01:59] <bonny_> well is there any way i can turn compositing on
[01:59] <jmarsden> bonny_: I *think* you'd need to get a better graphics card, but I am not a compiz expert.  Why do you need compositing?
[01:59] <bonny_> to make docky work
[02:00] <jmarsden> OK... and why is docky essential on an older PC?
[02:01] <bonny_> well that is true
[02:01] <bonny_> im not sure
[02:01] <bonny_> i need a dock i hate the taskbar for this
[02:02] <bonny_> is there a low quality dock
[02:02] <jmarsden> I think you need to get a better graphics card or learn to work without docky.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz#Hardware_requirements for some nfo on which graphics chips can run compiz.
[02:02] <bonny_> ok
[02:03] <bonny_> ok
[02:04] <bonny_> do you know of any old games
[02:05] <bonny_> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????///
[02:05] <jmarsden> I'm an old command line server admin type guy, not a gamer :)  Others here may know.  if you want really old games, try nethack :)
[02:06] <bonny_> which one of nethack do i install there are 4 choices
[02:06] <bonny_>  nethack-x11 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:06] <bonny_>   nethack-qt 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:06] <bonny_>   nethack-lisp 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:06] <bonny_>   nethack-console 3.4.3-12ubuntu1
[02:07] <jmarsden> Which one do you want?  console has console interface, lisp has lisp interface, and so on... :)  The console one is the closest to the original.
[02:07] <bonny_> k
[02:09] <bonny_> just to let you know im a kid thats im not used to this stuff that much
[02:11] <bonny_> which category is it in (nethack)
[02:12] <bonny_> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[02:12] <bonny_> ??
[02:12] <bonny_> ???
[02:12] <bonny_> ?????
[02:12] <bonny_> ???????
[02:12] <bonny_> ??????
[02:13] <jmarsden> A little patience and fewer question marks would be nice.  Did you read the man page  (  man nethack ) ?
[02:14] <szczur> depends on which one you have installed. x11 and qt ones should be in games, and console one you have to run through terminal by typing nethack
[02:14] <szczur> i don't think that rougelike rpg will be good for you
[02:14] <szczur> meh
[02:18] <jmarsden> szczur: Is there a list of "games that work well on older PCs running Lubuntu" somewhere?
[02:19] <szczur> i don't think so. you can try happypenguin.org
[02:19] <jmarsden> I was just thinking where to point him when he comes back :)
[02:20] <szczur> i always installed supertux-stable and xmoto and on PC with OpenGL enabled hedgewars, openarena, teeworlds
[02:20] <szczur> it all depends on OGL since not too much ggames are capable of doing software rendering
[02:21] <szczur> on such old systems
[02:22] <szczur> don't know much about opengl suport on intel olders that i 865 or something like this
[02:22] <szczur> not that i care, too :)
[02:22] <jmarsden> Yes, i810 is really pretty old!
[02:23] <szczur> and another site will be playdeb.net
[02:23] <szczur> they have even own ppa for easy installation of games
[02:34] <szczur> goodnight
[02:34] <semitones_tea> how do you upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 on lubuntu?
[02:34] <semitones_tea> and is 10.04 an LTS?
[02:35] <szczur> you can go to menu > Preferences > Update manager
[02:35] <szczur> and update from there
[02:35] <szczur> you should get information abount new ubuntu release
[02:36] <szczur> and you can do this from there
[02:40] <dio525i> okay szczur .... i'm done installing...got everything to work...it seems a lot of things were easier to just install gnome apps on lxde....everything is still pretty snappy but i get to not have to go too in depth to configure things
[02:40] <szczur> and if you don't see it (which may occur) go to Menu > Preferences -> Software Sources
[02:40] <szczur> select updates tab
[02:41] <szczur> change the Release Upgrade drop down to "Normal Releases" and close the application
[02:41] <dio525i> yeah i am on lubuntu 10.04 which seems to have the ubuntu-main repos turned off by default...that's okay i checked
[02:41] <szczur> and then you can run update manager again
[02:42] <szczur> dio525i, that was to semitones_tea :)
[02:42] <moonchild> szczur: thanks for the info on the mini-iso
[02:42] <szczur> moonchild, did you manage to install it?
[02:42] <moonchild> that did an install in about 550 megs
[02:42] <dio525i> almost the same thing i asked you 4hours ago
[02:42] <szczur> ohh, great :)
[02:43] <dio525i> i was thinking "this guy is pretty persistent on the advice"
[02:43] <szczur> dio525i, yeah, some gnome programs are easier to use than lxde counterparts
[02:43] <moonchild> it should have been a bit less, but installing openssh-server from the installer sucks in xauth as a recommends + half of gnome
[02:44] <szczur> dio525i, that's called night shift :P
[02:44] <szczur> no one is here :>
[02:44] <moonchild> hey!
[02:44] <semitones_tea> thanks szczur :0
[02:44] <semitones_tea> :)
[02:45] <szczur> semitones_tea, no problems :)
[02:46] <dio525i> szczur, night shift? what time is it where you are?
[02:46] <moonchild> szczur: in any event, I've had a 128 Mb usb stick sitting around & that iso is perfect to stick on that ;)
[02:46] <szczur> 3:46 AM at the moment
[02:46] <moonchild> UK?
[02:47] <szczur> GMT+1 (Poland/Lower Silesia)
[02:47] <moonchild> ahh
[02:47] <moonchild> hmm
[02:47] <moonchild> then you are only an hour off of UK time?
[02:47] <szczur> don't know when we make switch to DST however
[02:47]  * moonchild thought you were 2
[02:47] <szczur> then it would be hour later
[02:47] <szczur> :)
[02:48] <szczur> i wish i were 2
[02:48] <moonchild> we (in the US) just switched last weekend
[02:48] <szczur> :)
[02:48] <szczur> 6 days left
[02:48] <moonchild> anyway, I'll be back in a few
[02:48] <dio525i> dedication to answering questions.... bad-ass szczur...seriously bad-ass
[02:48] <szczur> 27th of March
[02:49] <szczur> dio525i, i'd rather say it's soem kind of insomnia
[02:49] <szczur> however i sleep to 12 AM :>
[02:49] <szczur> that's badass :)
[02:49] <szczur> or 12 PM, i'm confused
[02:49] <dio525i> haha
[02:50] <szczur> 12:00 (24hr clock)
[02:50] <dio525i> understood
[02:50] <szczur> much easier
[02:50] <szczur> HA! 12 PM :)
[02:51] <szczur> wiki, i love you
[02:51] <dio525i> indeed...it's 22:50 (toronto, canada) where i am...i'll stick around for a bit keep you company for a while
[02:51] <dio525i> just configuring my vsftpd
[02:51] <szczur> heh, funny i helped 3 people in less than half an hour
[02:52] <szczur> or got a response after my help
[02:54] <dio525i> what??
[02:54] <szczur> ftp server. always wantes to set one. never got myself to do this
[02:54] <szczur> couldn't find a reason why i should have one :)
[02:54] <dio525i> i use it to serve files to myself when i'm at work
[02:55] <dio525i> ftp:// is supported by firefox/chrome/ie8-9 so i don't have to install putty on a windows box or deal with mac os x crapness and do it through sftp
[02:55] <szczur> http+ssh is enough for me :)
[02:56] <szczur> aahhh, right
[02:56] <dio525i> yeah....is there a way to serve sftp though an http address?
[02:57] <jmarsden> Well, you can run sshd on port 80, but I'm not sure what the point would be exactly?
[02:59] <dio525i> dunno....vsftp seems to have the type of restrictions i need to serve files to the outside world....i just hate the configuration
[03:00] <dio525i> it takes me a while...i'm not a wizard and i always forget what i'm doing everytime because I don't have to configure ftps very often
[03:01] <jmarsden> dio525i: FTP has usernames and passwords in the clear... so insecure, so a bad idea except for anonymous use, IMO.
[03:03] <szczur_> see you tomorrow
[03:03] <szczur_> goodnight guys
[03:04] <dio525i> jmarsden ...i setup a virtual user for vsftp and restrict access to home dir, then mount specific directories without write privileges into that users dir....based on membership to another specific user group that doesn't have access to any other dirs on the system
[03:05] <dio525i> i don't know if that makes it any more secure...but it seems like to me someone would have to guess at a lot of things in order to gain access to my regular system?
[03:10] <dio525i> anyways.... sorry i'll cut the banter jmarsden ...
[03:20] <aetherian> why on earth is "internet" not in the dictionary, I mean really. (the linux english thing)
[03:27] <jmarsden> aetherian: the command    dict internet    gives me 5 different definitions... do you really need more than that?
[03:28] <aetherian> nonono
[03:28] <aetherian> like
[03:28] <aetherian> the library thingy, like
[03:28] <aetherian> when I type internet anywhere, it thinks it's a typo.
[03:29] <jmarsden> In what program using what spelling checker?
[03:29] <EricR2427> Try capitalizing it :)
[03:29] <aetherian> since when is internet a proper noun o.o
[03:30] <aetherian> it works, mind you
[03:30] <jmarsden> aetherian: dict internet will give you definitions for the capitalized and lowercase forms, technically they mean different things.
[03:31] <aetherian> ...
[03:31] <aetherian> I don't have dict. I don't need dict.
[03:31] <aetherian> it's bloty
[03:31] <aetherian> *bloaty
[03:31] <aetherian> jeez
[03:31] <jmarsden> Since you apparently don't know the difference between Internet and internet, maybe you do need a dictionary :) :)
[03:33] <aetherian> besides, you proved my point
[03:33] <jmarsden> If you prefer, see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/internet#Noun
[03:33] <aetherian> if internet also has meaning, it should work :)
[03:33] <aetherian> and I don't need a damn dictionary
[17:28] <semitones> hey when I try the USB live cd method i get all these I/O errors starting up before getting to the login screen... and then i can't login
[17:29] <semitones> would those be present when i install?
[17:29] <semitones> and on the login screen, everywhere there's supposed to be text, there are boxes instead
[17:29] <semitones> i'm going to try restarting ... :/
[17:37] <semitones> same thing... is using PloP to boot from CD problematic for some reason?
[17:57] <semitones> how can you change default keyring to not appear every time you turn on the computer?
[17:59] <bioterror> easily
[17:59] <bioterror> rigt click that network icon
[17:59] <bioterror> edit connections
[17:59] <bioterror> if it's wireless
[17:59] <bioterror> choose wireless tab
[17:59] <bioterror> choose your network connection, edit it and mark that "available to all users" checkbox
[18:02] <semitones> awesome! thanks got it :)
[18:02] <semitones> also if update-manager is not installed, is it safe to install that and then do a dist upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[18:03] <semitones> or just install it to get security updates for 10.04
[18:03] <bioterror> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:03] <semitones> and can I install the ubuntu-software-center on 10.04?
[18:03] <bioterror> why would you want to install bloat software center
[18:04] <semitones> this pc is for my dad
[18:04] <semitones> I think he'd like it better than synaptic
[18:04] <bioterror> install openssh-server and install stuff remotely for him :D
[18:04] <semitones> personally I like it better, but if it runs slowly on this computer i'll take it off again
[18:05] <semitones> I want him to be able to install solitaire on his own :p
[18:10] <semitones> is "ace-of-penguins" pretty lightweight?
[18:12] <bioterror> yes
[18:12] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: hello
[18:12] <bioterror> hi
[18:14] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: now i've made resolv.conf static but the problem now when i launch wvdial it show other primary dns that those i have in my resolv
[18:14] <bioterror> why dont you use network manager
[18:15] <kosaidpo|> uhmm ill but  i wanna keep it as the last solution : ] bioterror
[18:15] <bioterror> you have it as a default
[18:16] <kosaidpo|> i unistalled it a long time ago  bioterror ;D
[18:19] <bioterror> kosaidpo|, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-818169.html this one goes for free, for the next tip I'll charge 80e per an hour ;)
[18:20] <kosaidpo|> bioterror:  i've tried many ways in the net but it didnt work
[18:20] <bioterror> have you tried that uncommenting userpeerdns
[18:20] <bioterror> sorry, commenting
[18:21] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: yeshh i diid
[18:24] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: http://kaliphonia.com/content/notes/how-to-disable-wvdial-auto-dns-use-static-dns-settings
[18:24] <kosaidpo|> fllowed this one too
[18:24] <bioterror> you have opendns installed?
[18:25] <kosaidpo|> noo use google dns
[19:57] <bonny> are there any old games for lubuntu?
[19:57] <kosaidpo|> try warmux idk if its old
[19:57] <kosaidpo|> its 2d game
[19:58] <bonny> i have that already
[19:58] <bonny> anything else?
[19:58] <kosaidpo|> arena
[19:58] <kosaidpo|> i guess if u go to the doc or make a google seach u ll get plenty
[19:59] <bonny> k
[19:59] <bioterror> xbill
[20:00] <bioterror> dopewars
[20:00] <bioterror> nethack
[20:02] <bonny> thanks bio terror
[20:03] <bonny> how would i install nethack on lx terminal
[20:03] <bonny> sudo apt-get install nethack
[20:03] <bonny> ?
[20:04] <bioterror> something like that
[20:04] <bonny> k
[20:05] <bonny> is there any mario games or something similar you know of
[20:06] <bioterror> yes
[20:06] <bonny> can you tell me
[20:06] <bioterror> apt-cache show smc
[20:06] <bonny> just type that in terminal
[20:07] <bioterror> supertix is also 2D jump n run
[20:07] <bonny> k
[20:07] <bioterror> xscavenger this is nice game
[20:07] <bonny> ok
[20:09] <bonny> what category is xscavenger in
[20:09] <bonny> i dont see it in games
[20:11] <bonny> and I tried sudo apt-get install supertix but in says couldnt find package supertix
[20:11] <bioterror> tux
[20:12] <bonny> ok
[20:13] <bonny> 86 megabites then i guess its a good game
[20:13] <bioterror> disk space is almost free nowdays
[20:13] <bonny> true
[20:14] <bonny> wow haha it's aa different version of mario it looks liek from the screenshots
[22:24] <semitones> does lubuntu 10.04 automatically update?
[22:24] <semitones> mine doesn't have update-manager installed even
[22:25] <Yorvyk> semitones, it doesn't, you can install update-manager if you want.
[22:27] <semitones> Yorvyk, does a more lightweight option exist? The computer is for my dad/family, so it would be cool if I could run aptitude on a schedule or something
[22:29] <MrChrisDruif> cron?
[22:29] <Yorvyk> That's why it wasn't in 10.04 as it can bring low resource machines to a halt while it's functioning.
[22:30] <semitones> it would have to have sudo powers, and automatically agree to download and install updates. can cron do that?
[22:30] <semitones> i could have it run when idle or something
[22:31] <Yorvyk> apt has a switch to force assume 'yes'
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> semitones: Well....it's possible, by having the password in a file (not very safe)
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> -y
[22:32] <semitones> hmmmm
[22:35] <Yorvyk> I believe sudo can be forced to ignore the password or some thing.  Have a google there are various solutions available.
[22:35] <aetherian> how on earth...
[22:36] <aetherian> hey, is there an easy to do port of zork for linux?
[22:36] <semitones> Yorvyk, that doesn't sound very safe :p
[22:36] <aetherian> all these source things have no makefiles :(
[22:39] <Yorvyk> semitones, this explains how it's done http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791719
[22:40] <Yorvyk> the sudo bit anyway
[22:40] <semitones> thanks!
[22:44] <Yorvyk> semitones, I'd install update-manager and have it run weekly.
[22:45] <semitones> that's probably the best option :P
[22:45] <semitones> can it install updates without a password?
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> semitones: Nope
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> And Yorvyk's idea is probably best
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> semitones: Did he come from windows?
[22:46] <semitones> he's confident with windows and mac, I have no doubt he'll get used to linux
[22:46] <aetherian> ughmac
[22:46] <semitones> aetherian, he had mac back in 1984 :p
[22:47] <semitones> What if I made a script that ran aptitude update, and then popped up a terminal with aptitude safe-upgrade asking you for a password?
[22:47] <semitones> and set it to run weekly
[22:47] <Yorvyk> update-manager can be set to run as a background task with out any user intervention
[22:48] <semitones> Yorvyk, if that's true I'll probably just install that. if it runs weekly it won't have too much drag on the system
[23:34] <semitones_tea> is "/etc/lxdm/default.conf" still all you edit to enable auto login?