[00:02] Hi, anyone here using kubuntu 10.10 with backports? [00:03] My problem is the flashplugin-nonfree flickers really bad in browsers [00:04] cjae, this is not the right place. [00:05] Daekdroom: right just cant seem to get an answer anywhere else, just want to see if anyone can confirm it, did some google searches and nothing really specific [00:06] is there a ppa channel? [00:09] btw, google ubuntu custom search is really annoyin [00:10] I know canonical make money out of it, but if I have to change it to regular google, I don't think they still do then [00:51] i just upgraded to natty [00:51] when i log in, i get classic desktop without effects regardless of what i select on the login screen [00:52] note, upgrade, not clean install [00:52] compiz was working fine before i upgraded [00:53] and my hardware should not require any proprietary drivers (it is pinetrail) [00:56] i did a 'compiz --replace' and i now have compiz :S [01:01] so i thought i would add a new user account to see if it is something in my profile [01:01] but i can't... clicking "add" in the "users and groups" does nothing [01:03] I'm back on 10.10. oh I missed it already [01:12] is there some way to search launchpad for bugs relating to natty upgrade installs? [01:12] (that is, bugs with upgrading from maverick) [01:20] i don't appear to have a network manager icon either :/ [01:26] i think there is some kind of problem with the keyring/passwords which is causing all my problems... [01:26] ali1234, a upgrade at this point was not suggested [01:27] it's never suggested :) [01:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10582383 [01:33] i'll let you know if i ever get it to work :) [01:35] ok, so after a reboot everything works fine? [01:50] what's unity? [01:52] eamon: hope this helps http://unity.ubuntu.com/ [01:52] thank you [02:04] I think unity current ui style will be great for low usage user. But heavy user... not sure [02:07] I'm being told that #ubuntu is hte wrong place for me and this is the right place? [02:08] suicidolt: one sec, I'm scrolling through #ubuntu's log to see what's going on [02:09] suicidolt: what's the output of 'lsb_release -r' in the Terminal? [02:10] 10.10 [02:10] suicidolt: alrighty. #ubuntu is the right place for you, I'll have a talk with DasEi. [02:10] it's no one's fault, but CajunTechie is pm-ing me. whoever he is, he's quite nice [02:56] hello fellow natty testers [02:56] does anyone have any idea why my system still uses the gdm login screen from 9.10? [03:08] is wayland feasible for oneiric? [03:08] LLStarks: UDS-O hasn't happened yet, so it hasn't been discussed, but I personally doubt it. [03:20] uds-o is close though, usually we'd have a sense of what to expect for later this year in terms of upcoming driver stack changes and kernel features. === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === IdleOne is now known as MaverickOne === MaverickOne is now known as IdleOne [04:26] Im wondering if theres gonna be a gnomebuntu for 11.04 for people who dont want unity [04:28] people who don't want Unity can just pick GNOME classic in gdm... [04:29] In gdm, and hows a newbie supposed to know that [04:30] voss749, how's a newbie going to know they don't want unity? [04:31] sagaci, when I say newbie I mean people who dont edit gdm. [04:31] Someone clicks upgrade from 10.10 and then sees a completely different desktop manager [04:32] oh no. the sky will fall. [04:32] * rww uses Debian and KDE anyway, should probably hush up [04:32] rww, Im using mint debian [04:32] * rww hushes up [04:33] linux mint 11 will be classic gnome [04:34] mint 11 is ubuntu based, mint debian is debian testing === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:43] lo all. [06:43] is this the right place for natty help? [06:52] brucee: what problem do you have? [06:52] duanedesign: well, normally both the eth and wlan work without any problems. Neither of them seem to have been configured after the install. [06:53] lspci output available at : http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_on_a_ThinkPad_Z61m [06:53] you mean you are unable to configure either one of them after clean install= [06:53] I've just rebooted now with the lan cable in and it has picked up the network... wlan still seems missing - or I don't know where it is. [06:54] does network manager work properly? [06:55] susundberg: I eventually found it, but it did not appear to configure the eth device. (needed a reboot). [06:55] my wireless device is not detected. [06:55] does iwconfig show your device? [06:56] it dies [06:56] it does [06:56] (i use 'iwlist scan' to debug that driver seems to works properly -- it should show listing of networks available) [06:57] it says no scan results and I'm < 1m away from the router. [06:57] any idea how to get network-manager into the panel? [06:57] sorry, no idea, i am using kubuntu [06:57] :) [06:58] so iwconfig says that the device is configured and supported? [06:58] and iwlist indicates that it can't find any access points? [07:01] humm, there don't seem to be any notifications when unplugging the network cable - not even ifconfig registers that the link went down. [07:07] yeah you might want to check the iwlist again [07:07] it sometimes after boot does not show anything .. dont know why [07:08] i mean after a while [07:08] just tried - still no results :/ [07:09] then i would say its an driver issue [07:09] if your card has not been physically disabled or anything [07:09] when I do an iwlist scan I get no results. when I do 'iwlist wlan0 scan' it does find the router [07:10] brucee: the command nm-tool [07:10] should return info network manager has [07:11] finds two ap's. One is my home router.... [07:11] maybe I'm not accessing nm correctly. any ideas on how to get it in the panel? [07:12] it 'should' be right next to the volume in the top panel [07:12] I havebluetooth icon, battery icon, volumn and then the email icon [07:12] no network manager [07:13] when i try to run nm-applet, it fails with 'Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager' [07:13] ps aux | grep nm-applet [07:13] oh [07:13] brb - battery icon is red :( [07:14] brucee: try: nm-applet --sm-disable [07:15] that seems to be running [07:15] 'ps aux ... ' says that it is running ... [07:18] I killed it ('killall nm-applet') and tried re-running it and it still says that an instance in running and also reports the D-Bus message.... [07:18] lshw -C network [07:19] does that command associate a driver with the Wireless Interface [07:19] driver=wsl3945 [07:19] driver=iwl3945 [07:20] hmm [07:22] just checked to make sure that I have the latest versions and there are some updates. [07:22] should have them all applied in about 2-3 min [07:23] brucee: that is a good idea [07:24] always :) [07:25] brucee: was just reading an irc thread and it seemed to suggest that might do it [07:26] * brucee feels stupid for not trying that first.... [07:29] rebooting.... [07:30] .14 [07:31] nm-applet is running, but no icon :( [07:32] no change. nm-applet still fails with the 'Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.' error we were getting earlier :( [07:32] hmm [07:33] don't get notifications when I unplug the eth0 cable, but I guess that is provided by nm-applet [07:34] brucee: do you have update-notifier-common [07:34] i do. getsion 0.111ubuntu1 [07:35] hmm [07:37] brucee: might try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall notify-osd [07:37] ... and then running nm-applet again? [07:39] that did something. [07:39] you can restart it with: pkill notify-osd [07:39] I killed nm-applet and re-ran it as root and I get another icon in the panel. [07:39] well, more like [07:39] no-icon in the task tray, but it is nm-applet running ther. [07:40] are you using unity or the classic desktop? [07:41] scary thing is, I'm not sure. I think it is classic desktop. looks very much like 10.10 - although the application menus are in the panel? [07:41] unity has the launcher on the left side of the screem [07:42] no unity then:) [07:42] and no panel at the bottom of the screen [07:42] I've got a panel at the bottom... I though unity was the default for 11.04? [07:43] it is, well it depends on your computer [07:43] ahh. graphics. [07:43] it requires 3d acceleration [07:43] ok so i am guessing you are missing the notification area in the panel [07:43] I have 'ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400' [07:44] graphics card is more than capable [07:44] drivers might be a problem though? [07:44] brucee: r-click on the top panel and select the notification area [07:45] .. [07:45] Add to Panel → Utility → Notification Area [07:45] trying to remember from memory...unity does not let you do that anymore :P [07:46] I have a notification are [07:46] area [07:47] ok [07:47] so now I need to get drivers for my X1400 to get unity working? [07:48] you would need the flgrx driver. Let me see if i that card is supported [07:48] it installs the open source driver by default [07:49] might be available under System> Administration > Hardware drivers [07:49] I checked, there was nothing listed there [07:49] (and it is under 'additional drivers') [07:52] shall I install the offical AMD drivers? [07:54] brucee: looks like that card is only supported by the open source driver [07:55] brucee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver [07:55] that would be the fglrx? [07:55] but it is listed as having 3d support [07:56] that is the open source driver [07:57] that is good news. So I should install fglrx instead of the official catalyst drivers from amd (http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.9&lang=us&rev=9.3&ostype=Linux%20x86_64) [07:59] brucee: the open source driver is the catalyst [08:00] they have too many names for each card :P [08:01] i think, lol [08:02] from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver "This driver is not as fast as the closed-source, proprietary "fglrx" driver from AMD/ATI Inc. f" [08:03] it is very confusing.... [08:03] what, no [08:03] you don't have any other option than to use the default open source driver, radeon [08:03] radeon? [08:04] what about gallium? [08:04] yes, the open source driver is called "radeon" [08:04] (one part of it) [08:04] you'll be using r300g (the gallium driver) for opengl [08:05] and catalyst is the proprietary driver? [08:05] yes [08:05] kk [08:05] I think catalyst=fglrx? [08:05] catalyst is the name of the driver, fglrx is the name of the 'package' [08:05] ahhh [08:06] it is commonly referred simply as fglrx [08:06] It appears as if the laptop has the radeo drivers installed. That should support unity as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver [08:07] on the RadeonDriver page this sentence is confusing, to me. [08:07] You are currently not able to use the "radeon" driver for the following Radeon cards and derivatives. For these cards you must use the Catalyst binary driver [08:07] i think they have that backwards? [08:08] I read that to mean that the Radeon driver does not work for the card listed. [08:08] for that series of cards you have to use the binary drivers provided by AMD [08:09] right. me too [08:11] hummm. software center indicates that unity is installed, yet I don't seem to be running unity. [08:12] brucee: i have this showing the cards supported by the catalyst. http://ubuntuone.com/p/ify/ [08:13] on pages 2 and 3 [08:14] no support for the X series is shown. [08:15] that is what led me to think that wiki page was off [08:15] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.9&lang=us&rev=9.3&ostype=Linux%20x86_64 [08:15] lists older cards, but surprisingly the X1400 is absent. [08:18] check out : http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3#Graphics%20and%20Display [08:18] "The binary video drivers -fglrx and -nvidia do not have XServer 1.10 compatibility, so do not function in Alpha 3. We anticipate receiving an updated driver with this support from NVIDIA in the coming weeks, and an updated -fglrx from AMD at some point prior to Natty's release, but do not know their exact ETAs. " [08:29] brucee: this might be useful to setup your wireless without network manager http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3501096&postcount=1 [08:30] good morning [08:30] does the color of the background in the launcher buttons means something N [08:30] ? [08:30] with nm-applet working, almost all my networking problems are gone. eth0 is still a pain though. [08:33] any ideas on how to get unity running? [08:38] brucee, run this into a terminal it will tell you if unity can run > '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p' without quote [08:38] zniavre: "The system can run Unity" [08:38] (YAY!) [08:39] brucee, there is some bug with nux or compiz or unity that older hardware can't run unity even if the script say yes .... :o( [08:40] how would I run unity? [08:40] like my case with nouveau driver the script is positive but the desktop is empty [08:40] not nice [08:41] brucee, hoping new update of unity/nux/compiz i made a bug report that says it's fixed (but not yet updated) [08:42] running 'unity' from the console reports : 'Cannot register the panel shell: there is already one running' [08:42] brucee: awesome. Glad you got that answered. [08:42] * duanedesign saved that command [08:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/735908 [08:42] Ubuntu bug 735908 in nux (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::GpuRenderStates::SubmitChangeStates()" [Medium,Fix committed] [08:42] brucee: yeah gnome-panel is running [08:43] * brucee is completely new to unity. [08:44] in fact unity is complety new for everybody [08:44] :o) [08:45] well. I'll try again later and see if I can get it running.... [08:45] Cheers all [08:46] brucee: try unity --reset [08:46] brucee: a;so install the compizconfig-settings-manager [08:46] you can access the unity plugin with that. === _human_blip_ is now known as human_blip [10:28] unity doesn't work anymore after an update [10:28] compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing [10:28] compiz (opengl) - Fatal: Software rendering detected [10:35] Hello, is it possible to put a demo of game in Ubuntu repository? [10:36] I have deb pacakage ready, just wondering how is Ubuntu policy [10:37] if it's not open source it could probably go into multiverse, you should ask in #ubuntu-motu [10:38] use a ppa? [10:38] (as first step..) [10:43] it's not open source [10:43] ok, I will ry #ubuntu-motu [10:43] Thanks [11:02] hello there [11:02] i have not been able to boot the daily builds of natty the last 4 versions [11:03] it crashes on compiz , i have several ibm thinkpads / lenovo T60 [11:03] these all have intel 950 , wich i think is the issue [11:04] there is no fallback , so it does not go into an unity without 3D [11:04] i cant report a bug, since its really hanging dead in the air.. on these machines [11:05] is there an way to start x without compiz on the commandline ? i could try that ? [11:13] so , in short, compiz is really crashing on intel 950 graphics card [11:14] i will check out in an day or two , hope its fixed by then .. [11:14] take care , and have an good day :) [11:51] o/ [11:51] \o_ [11:56] How do I disable special effects in ubuntu 11.04 ? [11:57] Hey, my microphone support is not working anymore [11:57] i'd say it went broken 1-2w ago [11:58] no sound anymore -- i havent check the hardware but there haven't been any reason to suspect why the hardware would have gone broken.. [11:59] I installed Ubuntu 11.04, using deboostrap and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. I don't see the new unity interface. Is it not yet available or is there some other package to be installed ? [12:01] not sure [12:01] but try to log off [12:01] and pick from the bottom bar [12:01] maybe you are in classic [12:02] tjipke12 [12:03] tjipke12 [12:05] does it matter that my hostname contains numbers* ? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:12] I hope not [12:13] my hostname contains ONLY numbers :) [12:22] ok So I installed natty 11.04 on my machine, but "ubuntu desktop" in the login screen gives me Gnome and not unity. I installed using deboot strap and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. Am I missing something ? [12:24] a supported 3d graphics card? [12:25] an unsupported card would cause it to default to gnome ? [12:25] Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [12:29] as far as I know, intel still doesn't do opengl yet, so no unity [12:33] Ah ok. === MonkeyDu1t is now known as MonkeyDust [13:20] Howdy [13:50] i can to install ubuntu minimal install without internet [13:56] MarconM: I don't think that your question is ubuntu+1 specific. [13:57] MarconM, maybe ask in #ubuntu :) [14:00] i think suspend breaks my mic [14:01] (that is sound-in chain at some point) [14:01] susundberg: Suspend cannot break your microphone. [14:03] why not? [14:04] ok man thiebaude [14:04] anyway that was not the case, it did not happen 'again' -- mic works: ?? -> suspend mic works: no -> apt-get upgrade -> boot -> mic works: yes :o [14:05] annoying that the time it didnt work was of course when i had skype meeting and mac ppl were "oh its linux thing, its not working" .. damn those .. [15:44] is it safe to remove samba4 if i dont use it or is it a system necessity === Seeker` is now known as Seeker === Seeker is now known as SeekerplusC === SeekerplusC is now known as Seeker [16:34] hey fellas, theres something weird here....i updated natty and now....when i press the super key, the shorcuts in unity do appear, but why does the "listen to music" shortcut open firefox? Also it does not have an image associated with it [16:34] any ideas? [16:36] Here's the screenshot: http://img41.imageshack.us/i/screenshotrl.png/ [16:43] Okay so I'm reporting a bug [16:47] !bug | ankreloaded_ [16:47] ankreloaded_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots === Seeker is now known as Seeker` [17:29] anyone know if gnome-user-guide-en was replaced with something, or is it just held back for deps or what not? [17:29] There seem to be a bug in Unity, but i would like to hear your thoughts on it before i report it. I have a macbook pro and i have activated multitouch (two finger) scroll. If i press SUPER to open the "shortscuts" thing in unity (which is not scrollable because theres not enough items. If the pointer now is pointed at one of the clickable buttons and i start scrolling (with two fingers), which doesnt scroll because its not scrollbar, ... [17:29] ... but i do it anyways, and then stop scrolling and lift fingers, the item will get clicked. This doesnt happen ANYWHERE else for me in ubuntu. [17:30] maybe now in gnome-user-guide [17:31] ChrisBuchholz: there are a few bugs centered around unity, superkeys and touchpad. however you would have to look at them to see what fits your problem best. [17:31] gnomefreak: okay thanks [17:31] sorry havent checked mail in over 2 months [17:33] no worries [17:41] * gnomefreak not sure why i care since i dont need a guide to use gnome [17:46] Why cannot coexist the packages gnome-user-guide-de gnome-user-guide and ubuntu-docs? [17:56] bullgard4: they might have merged all lang into the gnome-user-guide but i have not gotten an answer yet [17:57] it should be safe to remove unless you need help with using gnome? i honestly never used it or gave it any thought [17:58] gnomefreak: I do not understand you very well. The gnome-user-guide is only 1409 kB size. This can hardly include all languages. [17:58] bullgard4: it looks like it replaces all the lang. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/583424/ [17:59] it seems to replace gnome-user-guide-* [18:01] 1409kb = ~1.2mb [18:01] for a bunch of text files thats good. also im not sure that you get all lang. or just the ones you set up [18:03] ChrisBuchholz: look at the Xorg stack link in the topic maybe that is related to your problem? [18:03] * gnomefreak be back need smoke [18:05] gnomefreak: it might be, who knows [18:06] gnomefreak: Thank you for providing http://paste.ubuntu.com/583424/ . I am curious what will come out of this. I am still convinced that the package gnome-user-guide will need complementary packages for several user languages. [18:12] bullgard4: it may but i went along and removed *-en since i really dont need the user guide [18:20] gnomefreak: My native language differs, and I appreciate competent GNOME help. [18:21] i understand [18:59] beh [18:59] messed up BIG time [18:59] tried to login into unity [18:59] and I have no bars at all [18:59] and can't even logout to go back to classic [19:00] BUGabundo, probably unity crashed, try from tty ? [19:00] how? [19:00] ctrl+alt+f1 [19:00] login there [19:00] right? [19:00] and ? [19:00] that I did [19:00] export DISPLAY=:0 [19:00] unity [19:01] but I want classic [19:01] oh [19:01] I'm right now on *some* WM [19:01] which I have no idea which is [19:01] hehe [19:01] and have no menus or applets [19:01] gnome-panel running? [19:02] * BUGabundo checks [19:02] try alt+f2 if does not work gnome-panel is nt launched [19:02] no [19:02] ok [19:02] that worked [19:02] BUGabundo, starting gnome-panel worked or the alt+f2 ? [19:03] yeah === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Dink[a] is now known as Dink === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [21:13] Installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-good version 0.10.21-1ubuntu6 removes a lot of packages, including ubuntu-desktop. [21:33] good evning [21:33] evening* [21:35] im experiencing an huge memory leak with vlc playing .avi file , first the sound stop and then the RAM is filled at 100% with the swap too the LA is something around 45 that is doing an unsable system === Dink is now known as Dink[a] [21:35] i can't get a crash report about it due to the crash itself i think [21:52] zniavre: killall -SEGV vlc might do it [21:57] Moc, i do not hav the time to do it [21:58] just reset the PC to reboot it [21:58] im trying to find a bug report and leaves a new comment or new report ... [21:59] k [21:59] ubuntu-bug pid would do it also [21:59] I think anyway [22:01] im doing it right now thank you [22:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/716868 [22:07] Ubuntu bug 716868 in vlc (Ubuntu) "Vlc rapidly leaks memory when pulseaudo output changes" [Undecided,New] [22:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/673462 [22:10] Ubuntu bug 673462 in vlc (Ubuntu) "vlc: growing memory usage when reading some AVI files" [Undecided,Confirmed] [22:10] one of those ... [22:11] They could be duplicates.