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| brucee | hi all. I have a query about natty. Is this the right place | 06:37 |
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| RAOF | That depends on the type of question. This is a channel for the development of Natty, so if your question has to do with that, yes :) | 06:39 |
| brucee | well, I installed it (alpha3) on an older lenovo z61m laptop and I | 06:40 |
| brucee | I'm having some difficulty with the network. does that qualify :) ? | 06:40 |
| RAOF | MAybe; it perhaps sounds more like a bug report, though. :) | 06:41 |
| brucee | probably. Or just me being braindead. So you recommend launchpad? | 06:42 |
| RAOF | Or #ubuntu+1 for support. | 06:42 |
| brucee | great idea - I'll head there ! | 06:42 |
| slangasek | ogasawara: gcc-4.5 4.5.2-6ubuntu5 uploaded; TTBOMK this is the last upload needed before beta | 06:47 |
| pitti | cjwatson, slangasek: I uploaded a new scour with dropping rsvg, and reverted cdbs; that should do | 07:07 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:08 |
| slangasek | pitti: morning! Yes, saw your mail over the weekend, thanks for taking care of this | 07:08 |
| pitti | sorry for the mess | 07:08 |
| slangasek | n/p, I'm glad you found a better solution than my "kick it out of cdbs" one :) | 07:08 |
| cdbs | out of me? | 07:08 |
| nigelb | This is precisely why you need a new nick :P | 07:09 |
| slangasek | cdbs: are you the personification of a package helper? :) | 07:09 |
| cdbs | slangasek: yes, but I prefer debhelper over myself | 07:09 |
| slangasek | heh | 07:09 |
| nigelb | lol | 07:09 |
| nigelb | the irony. | 07:09 |
| TheMuso | lol | 07:10 |
| cdbs | no, the advantage of this nick is that whenever someone mentions 'cdbs' I get pinged | 07:10 |
| nigelb | deserves a bash.org | 07:10 |
| cdbs | giving me the chance to kick into the conversation and recommend others to use dh | 07:10 |
| cdbs | okay, enough offtopic conversation, and slangasek just /ctcp versioned me :{ | 07:11 |
| slangasek | cdbs: /hilight cdbs would do for that ;) | 07:11 |
| Chipzz | cdbs: that's a... weird attitude :) | 07:14 |
| Chipzz | cdbs: that or a very strong dislike of cdbs ;P | 07:14 |
| \sh | moins | 07:27 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:51 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:16 |
| * slangasek waves | 08:16 | |
| jamespage | slangasek: good morning | 08:24 |
| jamespage | slangasek: re bug 737603 - I can either provide you with details on how to reproduce in Jenkins (its fairly easy) | 08:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 737603 in openjdk-6 (Ubuntu) "JNI unable to find libpam.so" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737603 | 08:24 |
| jamespage | or happy to test a deb now if you want me to. | 08:25 |
| slangasek | jamespage: I don't have any .debs built in a useful place, but I guess you can rebuild openjdk-6 from source more quickly than I could get you one (given that it's 1:30am here) | 08:25 |
| jamespage | slangasek: OK - I'll do a local rebuild and try out the patch; I'll also append test case details into the bug. | 08:26 |
| slangasek | jamespage: sounds good :) | 08:26 |
| jamespage | thanks for looking at this | 08:26 |
| slangasek | no prob | 08:27 |
| jamespage | :-) | 08:27 |
| slangasek | pitti: so, are you happy for me to upload eglibc with this change? | 08:30 |
| pitti | slangasek: yes, except I'd like to understand why it's only a transitional pacakge | 08:31 |
| slangasek | pitti: ah, replied in the merge log, darn slow email :) | 08:31 |
| slangasek | pitti: "transitional" in the sense that it exists only to enforce fully upgrading libc6 before upgrading anything else; once everything's upgraded (after next LTS), we can drop it | 08:32 |
| pitti | slangasek: ah, thanks | 08:32 |
| pitti | slangasek: updated MP again | 08:32 |
| slangasek | w00t | 08:33 |
| slangasek | just noticed a (non-linux-specific) bug there, which I'll fix up before uploading | 08:34 |
| slangasek | pitti: yay, eglibc uploaded, thanks for the review | 08:45 |
| slangasek | that just leaves glib2.0 for me to break | 08:46 |
| slangasek | er, I mean, convert ;) | 08:46 |
| dholbach | can anyone review my lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide branches please? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | hey, does anybody know if soyuz support.tar.xz tarballs? | 09:36 |
| mr_pouit | seb128: Bug #619152 (there's a branch but it doesn't seem merged yet) | 09:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 619152 in Launchpad itself "Add data.tar.xz support" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619152 | 09:38 |
| mr_pouit | oops, no | 09:38 |
| mr_pouit | I misread, sorry | 09:38 |
| cjwatson | pitti: did you notice the livefs build errors which seem to be caused by language-pack-kde-es and language-pack-kde-oc having file overlaps with the non-KDE versions? | 10:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: uh, no, I didn't | 10:05 |
| pitti | cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/natty/kubuntu/latest/livecd-20110321-i386.out seems fine? | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | try kubuntu-mobile | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/natty/kubuntu-mobile/latest/livecd-20110321-i386.out | 10:10 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, thanks; will check that | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/natty/edubuntu-dvd/latest/livecd-20110321-i386.out | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | (more inclusive) | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | seb128,mr_pouit: I guess I should work on the infrastructure needed for that | 10:11 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, so soyuz doesn't handle it yet? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, GNOME is thinking to switch to .tar.xz tarballs | 10:12 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, that's why I was asking | 10:12 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't - https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/dpkg-xz-support-619152/+merge/32868 explains the situation | 10:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 32868 in espresso (Ubuntu) "Autopartition doesn't warn" [Medium,Fix released] | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | oh shut up ubottu | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | huh, I apparently have most of the work done locally - I must have got sidetracked | 10:14 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks | 10:14 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, does that cover all orig.tar.xz use? | 10:15 |
| cjwatson | oh, wait, you said orig, my branch was just for data | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | let me check status of that | 10:16 |
| * cjwatson misread in the same way as mr_pouit | 10:17 | |
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| seb128 | cjwatson, sorry for not being clear ;-) | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | dpkg-dev/lucid supported orig.tar.xz, at least | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | I think it's just a matter of extending a few regexes and enumerations and the like in LP | 10:19 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, is there any way we can make sure it's on the launchpad team list to get working for next cycle? | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | I can probably just submit a branch for it | 10:21 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, no hurry, I'm just trying to make sure we don't get blocked at some point because the switch happen for GNOME and in Debian and our bits are not in place for it | 10:22 |
| seb128 | but that's not before some months, they are still discussing it | 10:22 |
| cjwatson | it falls in the category of rather-do-it-now-than-in-a-hurry-later for me | 10:23 |
| seb128 | right | 10:23 |
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| cjwatson | seb128: note that Debian doesn't support it yet either | 10:50 |
| cjwatson | fwiw | 10:51 |
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| seb128 | cjwatson, seems pochu is on it,he said he talked to the debian ftp-masters and the topic is on the agenda for their next meeting | 10:52 |
| cjwatson | that's useful to know, thanks. there's no bug report. | 10:53 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, in fact pochu mentioned it on debian-project@l.d.o in reply to the reminder email sent there | 10:56 |
| seb128 | oh, buxy mentioned it first it seems | 10:57 |
| seb128 | well anyway it's being discussed there | 10:57 |
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| emgent | mdz ping | 11:27 |
| dholbach | bdrung, pushed harvest tool to ubuntu-dev-tools again | 11:39 |
| dholbach | bdrung, let me know if it'S alright this time | 11:39 |
| dholbach | seb128, ^ | 11:40 |
| seb128 | dholbach, thanks | 11:40 |
| bdrung | dholbach: grep hugdaylist harvest | 11:43 |
| dholbach | fixed | 11:45 |
| * dholbach now takes the dog for a walk - see you in a bit | 11:45 | |
| bdrung | dholbach: pylint found some unused variables | 11:45 |
| hallyn | jdstrand: kees: hey, debian has security updates for libcgroup and libvirt-bin. Has someone already started on merging those? (I don't care toduplicate work) | 11:46 |
| Riddell | TheMuso: how do I get orca to read me something? | 11:53 |
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| JackyAlcine | o/ | 12:15 |
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| jdstrand | hallyn: I am preparing libvirt-bin. I don't think anyone is working on libcgroup atm, though you might ask in #ubuntu-hardened | 12:36 |
| jdstrand | kees: ^ | 12:36 |
| hallyn | jdstrand: thanks | 12:39 |
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| cnd | @pilot in | 13:14 |
| === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: feature freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Current Friendly Patch Pilots: cnd, smoser | ||
| cjwatson | ogra_: hi, could you apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/583309/ to jasper-initramfs, please? using ubuntu-devel as Maintainer means that upload acknowledgements go to the reviews list; ubuntu-devel-discuss is more conventional | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | cjwatson, oops, doing so | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 13:25 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: btw, if the kernel team asks you to copy kernels around, this should help quite a bit: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html#kernelppa | 13:34 |
| Riddell | pitti: is b43-fwcutter still needed on the CDs? | 13:34 |
| cjwatson | pitti: neat! thanks | 13:35 |
| pitti | Riddell: not urgently, I think; we don't even offer b43 any more in jockey, wl is the standard driver now | 13:35 |
| Riddell | pitti: so broadcom is all free now? | 13:35 |
| pitti | cjwatson: to avoid confusion: the sru-accept.py thing does not include the automatically generated CVE bugs, as they don't get verified by QA | 13:35 |
| pitti | Riddell: no, wl is proprietary | 13:35 |
| pitti | Riddell: there is an experimental broadcom driver in staging, but still too unstable; we don't offer it in jockey yet | 13:36 |
| Riddell | hmm, confusing | 13:36 |
| hallyn | the free broadcom driver doesn't do ad-hoc though still, right? | 13:41 |
| hallyn | which seems to really imply we should have b43 in jockey... it's actually half the reason why i'm back on lucid on my netbook | 13:41 |
| pitti | I took it out since it deterioates quickly; I got tons of kernel oopses/crashes with b43, and people kept picking the wrong one | 13:42 |
| hallyn | yeah having two is confusing, for sure | 13:42 |
| hallyn | i just need someone with spare time to implement ad-hoc in the free one :) | 13:43 |
| hallyn | s/implement/fix/ (as the source suggests it thinks it implements it) | 13:43 |
| cnd | SpamapS, I'm reviewing bug 533985 | 13:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 533985 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "Bash completion whitelisting returns no results when it could return some that do not match" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533985 | 13:47 |
| cnd | oh wait, I thought there was an issue | 13:48 |
| cnd | but I realized I was working on the wrong computer | 13:48 |
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| mterry | What's the most useful way to report a kernel panic? I don't see anything in /var/crash, and I don't get an apport prompt | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | seb128,mr_pouit: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/tar-xz/+merge/54215, FYI | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 54215 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "debconf frontend went away (dup-of: 52682)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 52682 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "debconf frontend went away -- kde-ui" [Undecided,Invalid] | 14:29 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks | 14:29 |
| cjwatson | and the data.tar.xz bit is now waiting on sysadmin | 14:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, try asking on #ubuntu-kernel I guess | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | (orig.tar.xz doesn't need any sysadmin action) | 14:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, you want kerneloops-daemon for oops issues, not sure about panic ones | 14:31 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: are you apport developer? | 14:45 |
| pitti | ari-tczew: yes | 14:45 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: look http://paste.ubuntu.com/583335/ | 14:45 |
| pitti | ari-tczew: I see the problem, hang on | 14:50 |
| pitti | ari-tczew: fixed in trunk, thanks | 14:52 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: 7 minutes needed, wow! :) | 14:52 |
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| pitti | dpm: oh, thanks for pointing to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam stuff, that's useful! | 15:28 |
| dpm | pitti, no worries :) - btw, after we have a locale for a new language in langpack-locales or upstream, are there any other technical steps to enable it and ship a langpack for it? I've meant to ask you for ages, I've just remembered now | 15:30 |
| pitti | dpm: yes, one: we need to add it as a supported locale to langpack-o-matic | 15:30 |
| pitti | dpm: ah, that could actually do with a bit of automation, hang on | 15:31 |
| dpm | ok :) | 15:31 |
| pitti | dpm: done; ./update-maps in langpack-o-matic now updates maps/supported-locales as well | 15:34 |
| pitti | dpm: we need to do that as we usually run this under lucid, and the local /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED is older than the releases we are building for | 15:35 |
| dpm | pitti, thanks, automation ftw! | 15:35 |
| pitti | dpm: so once we have a locale, we run that, and once the LP exports have files for the locale, they'll get shipped | 15:35 |
| pitti | dpm: lucid's gdm would need an update as well, but since maverick it doesn't any more either | 15:36 |
| pitti | so I'm not aware of anything else that needs to happen for this | 15:36 |
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| dpm | pitti, ok, but what's the gdm stuff? I'm not sure I can follow that. Why does it need to be updated in Lucid and why does it not need to on Maverick? | 15:37 |
| pitti | dpm: in lucid, gdm had its own language/locale list | 15:37 |
| dpm | oh, I see | 15:38 |
| pitti | doko: FYI, I talked to the debian gnome folks again, and they are ok with doing the pysupport -> dh_py2 transition for pygobject and friends; we'll ship a compatibility symlink until the reverse dependencies were converted, does that sound okay to you? | 15:45 |
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| doko | \o/ still starting in natty? | 15:55 |
| micahg | pitti: was the 0317 langpack supposed to fix the file overwrite issue? | 15:55 |
| pitti | micahg: the 0317.1 ones for kde-{oc,es}, yes | 15:57 |
| micahg | ok, so I'll wait for the point update | 15:57 |
| seb128 | zul, hi, do you have a vcs for samba? Could you review and check the fix bug #668368 in if you have one? | 16:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 668368 in samba (Ubuntu) "Default [homes] share template uses incorrect %S macro." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668368 | 16:03 |
| seb128 | it's a one char change, I don't want to an upload for that ;-) | 16:04 |
| doko | pitti: ^^^ | 16:07 |
| pitti | doko: I hope so, I'm working on it right now (it's more complicated than a symlink, though) | 16:08 |
| zul | seb128 sure on a call right now | 16:09 |
| seb128 | zul, no hurry, thanks | 16:09 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I get a UnicodeEncodeError message when I try to login on wiki.ubuntu.com, where should I report that ? | 16:09 |
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| davmor2 | AnAnt: goto #canonical-isd as a first port of call | 16:11 |
| debfx | kirkland: shouldn't console-setup register /etc/console-setup/vtrgb.vga as an alternative? kubuntu-default-settings could then switch to it if it's in auto mode | 16:11 |
| AnAnt | davmor2: thanks | 16:12 |
| kirkland | debfx: no, it can't; otherwise, every time console-setup upgrades it would overwrite the alternative priority that kubuntu-settings sets | 16:12 |
| kirkland | debfx: ie, it could register it at a lower priority, say 20 | 16:12 |
| kirkland | debfx: but every time it upgrades it would re-register it at 20 again | 16:13 |
| debfx | kirkland: yes, console-setup would register it with a lower priority and k-d-s runs updater-alternatives --set ... in postinst | 16:14 |
| kirkland | debfx: right, but what happens when console-setup upgrades later? | 16:16 |
| kirkland | debfx: at least the way i'm calling update-alternatives in console-setup.postinst, it's going to overwrite it | 16:17 |
| kirkland | debfx: unless i'm misunderstanding you... | 16:17 |
| debfx | kirkland: it's not supposed to overwrite it if it's in manual mode | 16:19 |
| debfx | update-alternatives --install is a no-op if the alternative is already installed (with the same priority) | 16:20 |
| kirkland | debfx: interesting... | 16:20 |
| kirkland | debfx: can you propose a debdiff to console-setup.postinst, test it, and show me how you recommend we do it? | 16:20 |
| kirkland | debfx: and newt's postinst too | 16:20 |
| kirkland | debfx: note that newt takes about 20 seconds to build, and console-setup takes about 20 minutes | 16:21 |
| debfx | kirkland: will do, thanks for the hint :) | 16:23 |
| debfx | the tricky part is in k-d-s as update-alternatives doesn't have a --only-if-in-auto-mode option | 16:24 |
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| kirkland | debfx: sure thing | 16:27 |
| kirkland | debfx: i do like the idea of having the originals registered as lower-priority alternatives, such that they're more discoverable | 16:27 |
| kirkland | debfx: i just want to make sure it's done in a way that other optional packages (like the kubuntu themes one) can override and make their alternatives stick and maintain across upgrades | 16:28 |
| debfx | kirkland: aha, just revert the changes from the last newt upload :) | 16:29 |
| kirkland | debfx: okay, if so, then what's the proper syntax for update-alternatives in the kubuntu settings postinst? | 16:30 |
| debfx | kirkland: the easiest way would be: update-alternatives --set newt-palette /etc/newt/palette.original | 16:31 |
| kirkland | debfx: ah, okay, cool | 16:31 |
| jcastro | wendar: there appears to be nothing on Wednesday UDS, if you want to try "fun" lightning talks or something clever, that would be the night to do it | 16:32 |
| debfx | but that overwrite all user choices so guarding that with a check if the alternative is in auto mode would be good | 16:32 |
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| wendar | jcastro: could be fun | 16:32 |
| debfx | kirkland: newt doesn't remove the alternatives in postrm | 16:34 |
| kirkland | debfx: good catch | 16:34 |
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| slangasek | kirkland: hi, do you feel like NEWing eglibc today? :) | 16:59 |
| kirkland | slangasek: i can have a look .... | 16:59 |
| debfx | kirkland: we could use something like this in kubuntu-default-settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/583394/ | 17:02 |
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| kirkland | slangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue keeps timing out on me | 17:09 |
| slangasek | curses | 17:09 |
| kirkland | slangasek: okay, it landed | 17:10 |
| kirkland | slangasek: oh, a binary deNEW, that's easier :-) | 17:10 |
| kirkland | slangasek: looking now ... | 17:10 |
| slangasek | yep, trivial, just a new package added to the base system ;) | 17:10 |
| kirkland | slangasek: multiarch support :-) trivial :-) | 17:11 |
| kirkland | slangasek: hmm, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/583405/ | 17:12 |
| kirkland | slangasek: there isn't actually anything in that package? | 17:12 |
| slangasek | correct | 17:12 |
| slangasek | kirkland: let me grab you a link to the explanation | 17:12 |
| slangasek | kirkland: https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/natty/eglibc/multiarch-support/+merge/54135 | 17:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 54135 in libapache2-mod-python (Ubuntu) "when php5 is enabled mod_python cacls md5 wrong" [Undecided,Invalid] | 17:13 |
| kirkland | slangasek: cool, works for me | 17:13 |
| kirkland | slangasek: needs to go to main, i presume? | 17:14 |
| slangasek | kirkland: yeppers | 17:14 |
| slangasek | as Priority: standard, in fact | 17:14 |
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| slangasek | er, Priority: required even | 17:14 |
| slangasek | (but I can poke that once it's in the archive, if there are any issues) | 17:14 |
| kirkland | slangasek: OK: eglibc, eglibc_2.13-0ubuntu8_armel_translations.tar.gz(main/(unchanged)/(unchanged)) | 17:15 |
| kirkland | slangasek: so i missed your priority note | 17:15 |
| slangasek | no problem | 17:15 |
| kirkland | slangasek: so yeah, poke that once it's in | 17:15 |
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| slangasek | Laney: how are things with ghc6? Everything good, now that libffi is fixed? | 17:21 |
| Laney | slangasek: Mostly. I see a perplexing failure that I think is due to a newer binutils; mailed d-haskell@ to ask for insight earlier. | 17:21 |
| Laney | At least the libffi fix is good. | 17:21 |
| Laney | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66834248/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.haskell-happstack-util_0.5.0.2-2build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:22 |
| * slangasek checks the mail to make sure it's really a binutils bug and not a multiarch bug ;) | 17:22 | |
| Laney | it's in a library, not ghc6 itself (thankfully) | 17:22 |
| kirkland | slangasek: okay, it's taking a few button pushes to get past all the launchpad timeouts for the other arches | 17:25 |
| kirkland | slangasek: okay, done | 17:26 |
| slangasek | kirkland: your pain is appreciated, as this puts us one package upload away from 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer:i386' working in a chroot :) | 17:26 |
| kirkland | slangasek: heh :-) | 17:26 |
| slangasek | now to upload glib2.0 | 17:27 |
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| cjwatson | slangasek: 'sudo apt-get install libc6:amd64' doesn't seem to work for me, with a 'deb [arch=i386,amd64] ...' line in sources.list; what am I missing? | 17:34 |
| cjwatson | it just says "E: Unable to locate package libc6:amd64" | 17:34 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: APT::Architectures { "i386"; "amd64"; }; also, dpkg --foreign-architecture amd64 (can set in /etc/dpkg of course); finally, I think but have not yet confirmed that there's a change in the apt cache format before and after multiarch, requiring rm /var/cache/apt/*cache* && apt-get update to get everything where it's supposed to be | 17:35 |
| cjwatson | aha | 17:36 |
| cjwatson | (is there user documentation for multiarch yet?) | 17:36 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: the UI is still a little rough, probably will remain so for natty as I don't see us turning this on by default - I'll work on user documentation next week | 17:36 |
| slangasek | given that today is the first day that it's possible to run that apt-get command against the archive and have it succeed (and only once the NEWed eglibc is published), I didn't want to encourage foot-shooting too early :) | 17:37 |
| cjwatson | heh, yeah | 17:37 |
| hyperair | ari-tczew: weird, your coredump seems truncated. or so gdb says =\ | 17:45 |
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| cjwatson | slangasek: without flushing the apt cache, 'sudo apt-get install libc6:amd64' now seems to list a reasonably plausible set of things to do | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | (this is before your latest eglibc change ...) | 17:50 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: right, the cache bit pertains to how Multi-Arch: foreign, Architecture: all packages are handled (which are only an issue once you get a little farther up the stack) | 17:51 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: and apt will happily start downloading the packages and only fail when it tries to configure the dependency loop :) | 17:51 |
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| cjwatson | ok ... | 17:54 |
| ari-tczew | hyperair: so what's the conclusion? | 17:54 |
| hyperair | ari-tczew: the conclusion is that the coredump is completely useless ^_^ | 17:55 |
| hyperair | sorry to say | 17:55 |
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| mterry | slangasek, do you know what the deal with bug 739575 is? | 18:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 739575 in apr-util (Ubuntu) "Bad path in libapr-util-1.la" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739575 | 18:01 |
| mterry | (seb128 promised you would ;)) | 18:01 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:02 |
| seb128 | that's going to be a fun transition if we need to start rebuild .la in order | 18:02 |
| slangasek | mterry: .la files should not reference other .la files in their dependency_libs field (Debian Policy 10.2); see clean-la.mk in gnome-pkg-tools for an example fix | 18:03 |
| slangasek | seb128: well, I assumed most packages were already DTRT on this point, since it's in policy... I see I was too optimistic :) | 18:03 |
| slangasek | mterry: a quick-n-dirty fix is to just reupload the package that has the broken reference, but that's a bandaid | 18:03 |
| Riddell | ev: I got usb-creator built on suse https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Ariddell%3Ausb-creator | 18:04 |
| ev | Riddell: that's awesome! | 18:04 |
| seb128 | slangasek, | 18:05 |
| seb128 | $ grep [.]la *.la | grep dependency_libs | sed 's#:.*##' | sort | uniq | wc -l | 18:05 |
| seb128 | 29 | 18:05 |
| seb128 | in /usr/lib on my natty system | 18:05 |
| lamont | (etherape:25852): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_ascii_strcasecmp: assertion `s2 != NULL' failed | 18:05 |
| lamont | Segmentation fault | 18:05 |
| lamont | I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to do that | 18:05 |
| mterry | slangasek, well that's the interesting thing, when I rebuilt the package, it stopped referencing the other .la file in its own .la. It started using -l syntax | 18:05 |
| mterry | Not sure how the original path got in there | 18:06 |
| slangasek | mterry: <cough> that's because libtool doesn't know to look in the multiarch directories at all for its .la files | 18:06 |
| ari-tczew | hyperair: so how can I do with that bug? | 18:06 |
| mterry | ah... so that's a fix by way of a different bug? :) | 18:06 |
| * hyperair shrugs | 18:06 | |
| lamont | slangasek: I thought that was because libtool is just plain not your friend | 18:06 |
| lamont | kinda like .la files, iirc | 18:07 |
| mterry | slangasek, could you rebuild apr-utils for me? I'm not core-dev atm | 18:07 |
| * doko doesn't ask when to start the rebuild test ... | 18:07 | |
| slangasek | mterry: the .la is the expected behavior with libtool, when the dependent library has a .la of its own; but we really want it to be *empty*, not just switched to use -l | 18:07 |
| slangasek | lamont: libtool *isn't* my friend, and I really wish it would stop sending me these messages on LinkedIn | 18:07 |
| slangasek | mterry: sure thing | 18:08 |
| mterry | :) | 18:08 |
| lamont | slangasek: heh | 18:08 |
| slangasek | seb128: 29 doesn't seem so bad... :) | 18:08 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I'm happy that you are not scared about those ;-) | 18:09 |
| slangasek | seb128: care to paste me the list of actual lib names? That way I can bump them proactively :) | 18:10 |
| slangasek | seb128: and no, 29 libs uploaded for a trivial .la change, compared to what I've /been/ doing, is not scary at all ;) | 18:10 |
| seb128 | slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/583439/ | 18:12 |
| slangasek | seb128: sweet, thanks | 18:12 |
| seb128 | slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/583442/ | 18:13 |
| seb128 | slangasek, that's the corresponding sources | 18:13 |
| seb128 | if you prefer that list | 18:13 |
| seb128 | ups, binaries rather | 18:13 |
| seb128 | I can do the sources version if you want ;-) | 18:13 |
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| slangasek | seb128: binaries are fine, no problem | 18:18 |
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| Keybuk | SpamapS: you realise that there is no benefit to constructive discussion with Lennart, right? ;-) | 18:42 |
| Keybuk | his entire reason for even being on the upstart list and IRC channel is simply to be disruptive | 18:42 |
| ogra | Keybuk, not to pick up clever ideas ? | 18:44 |
| Keybuk | ogra: well, given he generally describes Upstart as "wrong", I doubt that | 18:46 |
| SpamapS | Keybuk: I guess I'm like the guy who makes funny faces at the gorillas just to see if they'll fling excrement, event hough everybody has told me thats whats going to happen. ;) | 18:49 |
| Keybuk | lol | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | actually it's always fun to have more people make funny faces at him | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | because then he'll reply that he's tried, and I'm not interested in working together | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | and I'll point out that I've repeatedly said that I am, but that I don't consider "working together" to be "do what Lennart says" | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | and then I attempt to get him to agree to something | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | and he goes silent | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | and then turns up with "NAK, I'm doing this differently in systemd" or something | 18:51 |
| walters | Keybuk: 1) your movie twitter post was hilarious 2) i think he's doing the right thing; give him a little bit to come up with another approach | 18:54 |
| Keybuk | cf. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34526#c1 | 18:54 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 34526 in core "Support service activation via Upstart" [Enhancement,New] | 18:54 |
| SpamapS | Keybuk: I suppose all we can do to counter that is to be open and ask for comments on major changes... since... you know.. there are somewhere around a million more upstart users than systemd.. we should probably ask upstart users before Lennart. ;) | 18:54 |
| Keybuk | SpamapS: at Google alone, there is probably 1,000 *times more* upstart installs than there are Fedora installs in the entire world ;-) | 18:55 |
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| Keybuk | walters: I'm not interesting in Lennart coming up with another approach - I'm interested in Lennart actually discussing with me, and others, what the other approach should be | 18:55 |
| walters | sure, so give him a bit of time to post that | 18:55 |
| Keybuk | walters: I've given him a year so far; how much more time should I give? | 18:56 |
| Keybuk | (the LISTEN_FDS discussion started April last year) | 18:56 |
| Keybuk | sadly this approach of "the only valid decision is the one made by the Fedora+SuSE cabal" is starting to infect other projects | 18:57 |
| Keybuk | see the recent udev announcement that all systems must support /dev/.run as a tmpfs throughout boot that's later bind-mounted to /var/run | 18:57 |
| Keybuk | and then the creation of /run after that | 18:57 |
| Keybuk | without, at any point, asking any other distribution - many of which have *already solved this* - what they think the approach should be | 18:58 |
| Keybuk | or going via the FHS or some other neutral body | 18:58 |
| highvoltage | /run!? | 18:58 |
| walters | Keybuk: i'm not involved in that really so i can't comment on it usefully | 18:59 |
| Keybuk | lunch, bbl | 18:59 |
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| Keybuk | omnomnom | 19:36 |
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| \sh | hmmm..could it be that we are right now in the "Everything what Ubuntu does and did is wrong, nasty, evil and totally useless?" unity vs. gnome-shell, upstart vs. systemd , multi-arch ubuntu vs. multi-arch debian? (WRT http://jackyf.livejournal.com/115703.html) | 20:23 |
| broder | \sh: our multiarch spec is the same as debian's | 20:24 |
| broder | which is to say, we're using a spec developed at debconf, and for all intents and purposes is a "debian spec", not an "ubuntu spec", but just implementing it sooner | 20:25 |
| highvoltage | \sh: nah, Ubuntu does quite a few things really good | 20:25 |
| \sh | broder: I thought so, but it sounds different from the post I just read on p.d.o. | 20:25 |
| cjwatson | jackyf is several years too late to the party | 20:26 |
| broder | \sh: that post is complaining about not understanding the spec that's being implemented | 20:26 |
| broder | and suggesting an alternative that they're asserting makes more sense | 20:26 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: If their blogging on livejournal, that's a given. | 20:28 |
| \sh | broder: I'm just concerned about "bad PR" with regards of the latest happenings | 20:29 |
| ScottK | \sh: Bad PR can happen whether you deserve it or not. I think we should just minimize the deserving it and not worry about the rest. | 20:29 |
| ScottK | \sh: It would be interesting to hear about the distros that started transitioning to System D in 2006 when we started our Upstart transition. | 20:30 |
| ScottK | Some people don't understand the notion that time move in one direction for most mortals. | 20:31 |
| nigelb | kirkland: hey, add a warning to your blog. The presentation linked on the scale website is wrong :P | 20:32 |
| kirkland | nigelb: thanks | 20:33 |
| \sh | ScottK: actually I don' | 20:33 |
| kirkland | nigelb: i wonder what's up with that | 20:33 |
| ScottK | \sh: You don'? | 20:34 |
| nigelb | kirkland: I poked Gareth, I figure he'll get it fixed :) | 20:34 |
| \sh | 't care about what system we will or others will use...I just want to use the best technique and this technique needs to be supported for a long time | 20:34 |
| \sh | moment...phone call | 20:34 |
| kirkland | nigelb: cool, thanks | 20:34 |
| kirkland | nigelb: any chance you can ask them where my video is? :-) | 20:34 |
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| nigelb | kirkland: yup, will do. I wanna see it too :) | 20:36 |
| \sh | back... | 20:39 |
| ScottK | \sh: Also keep in mind the author of that blog post decided apt was hopeless and is re-implementing it, so some level if disagreement from that source is not particularly suprising. | 20:41 |
| slangasek | yes, reimplementing it in perl | 20:44 |
| nigelb | ScottK: heh, lol about livejournal comment :) | 20:44 |
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| cnd | I'm trying to help someone get their game into Ubuntu, but there are possible issues with media licensing (fonts and audio) | 21:06 |
| cnd | the audio files clearly aren't gpl compatible, but I don't know if they really need to be | 21:06 |
| cnd | is there some place where these issues can be reviewed? | 21:07 |
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| ScottK | cnd: We don't require GPL compatiblity. To get into Universe it needs to be ~DFSG free (was also allow GFDL with invariant sections that Debian doesn't). To get into Multiverse it just has to be legal to distribute. | 21:16 |
| ScottK | cnd: Any archive admin can answer questions, so just ask. | 21:16 |
| slangasek | jamespage: any luck with jenkins? | 21:17 |
| slangasek | or with openjdk, I should say | 21:17 |
| cnd | ScottK, I should have mentioned that the source code is GPL, but here's a merge request with the important information: https://code.launchpad.net/~libavg-team/geneatd/packaging.cleanup/+merge/53538 | 21:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 53538 in samba (Ubuntu) "Not install package (dup-of: 9208)" [Undecided,New] | 21:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 9208 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Samba upgrade failure due to broken rc.d symlinks" [High,Fix released] | 21:19 |
| cnd | there's audio files that are CC-sampling 1.0 | 21:19 |
| cnd | and the game source code is GPLv3+ | 21:19 |
| ScottK | I'd have to look up that CC license, but IIRC it's problematic to combine those into one work. | 21:20 |
| slangasek | however, it's questionable whether a game engine + accompanying audio files are considered "one work"; it depends a lot on the specific license wording | 21:21 |
| ScottK | I guess. | 21:30 |
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| cnd | ScottK, so where do I go from here to get a more definitive answer? | 21:50 |
| GatoLoko | hi | 22:16 |
| ScottK | cnd: Get the package uploaded to REVU and then one of us archive admins might review it if we have time. We don't have even a rough equivalent of debian-legal. | 23:41 |
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