[03:24] <_antant> well it's been quiet on here today
[10:29] <morgan> hey, anyone have any experience with IMDB scrapers etc.. imdb-tools is useless
[20:38] <kenni> Hi guys, have you decided (or looked into) if the MythTV 0.24 locale configuration will be supported in Mythbuntu 11.04? With the current use of a custom database on a clean Mythbuntu install, I suppose it will be too much work to get it done in time for the 11.04 release(?)
[20:53] <tgm4883> kenni, locale config?
[20:54] <kenni> tgm4883, bug #724693
[20:54] <Zinn> Bug 724693 in mythbuntu "New MythTV 0.24 locale auto configurations doesn't work with Mythbuntu 11.04" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/724693
[20:55] <tgm4883> kenni, hmm, ok
[20:55] <tgm4883> kenni, what is it looking for in a clean DB?
[20:55] <tgm4883> superm1, ^
[20:58] <tgm4883> I see no reason that couldn't still make it into 11.04. Would seem like a bug to me that is isn't already there since the functionality already exists in 0.24
[21:00] <kenni> tgm4883, AFAIR it checks for a clean settings table
[21:01] <tgm4883> kenni, ok, are you able to check if just dropping that table makes it work. I'd have to check what we currently set in there
[21:01] <tgm4883> which wouldn't get checked until tonight
[21:05] <superm1> kenni, i think the proper solution is to pass that information to the database from during install
[21:05] <superm1> because we definitely need to have a prefilled database (at least somewhat) so that there isn't an error the backend isn't running on first boot
[21:11] <tgm4883> superm1, that seems logical to me, since that type of information is already gathered during install
[21:12] <superm1> hell if i'm gonna have time to help get it propagated though
[21:12] <Zinn> superm1: Please watch your language.
[21:14] <rhpot1991> tisk tisk superm1 :)
[21:15] <superm1> psh
[21:16] <tgm4883> well pulling it from the installer is going to be a feature
[21:16] <tgm4883> which would be 11.10
[21:18] <kenni> superm1, tgm4883: it seems like the language selection dialog is shown if the "Launguage" and "Country" field in the settings table are empty. But I haven't tested it, so I might be wrong, I just had a brief look at the code
[21:18] <kenni> Language
[21:20] <superm1> kenni, i wonder if there's a good way to have it pull up that dialog the first time and still pre fill the database
[21:20] <kenni> it will probably need some fitting to make it work in Mythbuntu
[21:20] <kenni> stuartm is the person to talk to about it, he wrote the feature
[21:23] <kenni> perhaps the feature needs to be altered a bit upstream, to make it compatible with distributions like Mythbuntu. At the moment the feature is written to specifically require a clean database.
[21:29] <superm1> well the other way to look at it is that a backend shouldn't require anything in the database to run
[21:29] <superm1> and then we could start with a clean database
[21:30] <superm1> but i think something has to happen upstream either way
[21:30] <kenni> unfortunately, I'll not have much (if any) time to play with MythTV/Mythbuntu for the next 1½ month. Otherwise I would gladly have helped with the testing...if it's just the two mentioned fields which need to be empty to bring up the dialog, you can probably pre-populate some of the other settings if needed. You then just need to beware when you startup mythtv-setup the first time, so the language dialog will be shown in the initial startup pha
[21:32] <kenni> superm1, why do you want to start the backend? Shouldn't you only start mythtv-setup on the initial bootup?
[21:32] <kenni> ...and then start the backend afterwards
[21:34] <superm1> kenni, well we don't currently start mythtv-setup on initial bootup
[21:34] <kenni> ok
[21:34] <superm1> and it requires some work to make that happen
[21:34] <superm1> at least in the proper fashion that it needs to
[21:34] <kenni> yep
[21:36] <kenni> what is the reasoning behind not starting mythtv-setup on initial bootup? I can't remember what Mythbuntu currently does - does it start the backend & the frontend on initial bootup?
[21:44] <superm1> yeah it starts the backend and frontend on initial bootup
[21:45] <superm1> mythtv-setup is a bit confusing, you dont want to boot up and immediately feel like you have to configure things
[21:45] <superm1> whereas if you start the frontend on first boot, you can go explore around etc
[21:47] <kenni> yeah, okay, but not much will work and it's a quite unsupported state to be in (with no tuners defined)
[21:48] <kenni> but I do see your point, realistically perhaps this is a 0.25/11.10/12.04 milestone
[21:48] <kenni> to await the setup rewrite
[22:06] <kenni> and we'll most likely also generate a lot of locale-files for 0.25 - currently only manually contributed locale configuration files exist in MythTV. Without much effort we can provide a baseline locale config (MythTV language, date format, etc.) for the most widespread locales.
[22:11] <superm1> kenni, exactly, 0.25 sounds a good time to do that