[05:20] <soreau> IdleOne: Longer than what, a week?
[05:21] <rww> hrm?
[05:21] <soreau> ermhrm
[05:22] <rww> soreau: something we can help you with?
[05:23] <soreau> rww: Yes, I am banned from #ubuntu+1 and wanted to see about getting it lifted
[05:25] <IdleOne> soreau: heya
[05:25] <IdleOne> How you doing?
[05:25] <soreau> Ok for now I guess
[05:26] <IdleOne> So, here is the thing. I'll remove the ban but this is the last time I am going to remove a ban set by a different op on you.
[05:26] <IdleOne> You realize that there are so many chances we can give you
[05:27] <IdleOne> also, anytime you feel the need to vent, yell, swear. do it in a PM to yourself :)
[05:28] <soreau> You know I don't mean any harm but pmming myself is like saying go-f-yourself
[05:29] <IdleOne> yeah I know but the ubuntu channels is really not the right place to let it out
[05:29] <soreau> ok
[05:30] <IdleOne> soreau: PM me if you ever need to talk or just vent.
[05:30] <IdleOne> ban is lifted.
[05:30] <soreau> I appreciate your patience btw.. you guys seem to have the ability to handle extremely fragile situations very well
[05:30] <soreau> I, on the other hand, do not :P
[05:30] <IdleOne> hah!
[05:30] <soreau> IdleOne: Ok thanks
[05:30] <soreau> It will mean a lot to me
[05:31] <soreau> if I can vent to you :/
[05:31] <IdleOne> anytime, if I don't respond to it don't get insulted :)
[05:31] <soreau> I only expect you to keep on idlin
[05:52] <bazhang> is radios the .pt problem user?
[05:54] <rww> Ident matches Redmono and Plutu (who I vaguely remember getting actioned), so I'd guess so.
[05:55] <bazhang> there's a ton of problem nicks from that range
[05:55] <rww> nod. It's been annoying me and I don't know what to do about it.
[05:56] <rww> They change ident and nick and realname, and the IP address changes wildly, so there's nothing for a ban to latch on to unless I ban the whole ISP, which I've considered doing.
[05:56] <rww> or maybe I'm connecting dots that shouldn't be and they're different people. I really don't know.
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Can we make Floodbot warn in #ubuntu-ops-monitor whenever someone joins from that range?
[05:57] <rww> bazhang: heh, guest-dude-with-sean-ident appeared in -ot after you mentioned them.
[05:58] <bazhang> rww, heh yeah. my prescience is in overdrive
[06:00] <rww> Jordan_U: nope
[06:00] <rww> bazhang: but yeah, as far as telepac goes, there are too many users that can't reasonably be tied to the one person I assume exists and is hopping IP addresses :(
[06:01] <bazhang> yep
[06:18] <bazhang> ouch. that user just /amsg'd a ton of channels
[12:36] <ikonia> Pici: I love that, "I'm running blind here and it still doesn't work"......maybe that's because your doing this blind with no idea
[12:45] <bazhang> cherokee signs?
[12:55] <bazhang> no idea where to point lalitha in -irc
[12:56] <bazhang> linux chat server with windows client?
[12:58] <Pici> jrib: some vpses configure their ubuntu installs differently.
[12:59] <Pici> linode (which everyone loves) comes with a root password by default :(
[12:59] <jrib> Pici: yeah just wanted to make sure he wasn't referring to his user as root
[12:59] <Pici> jrib: okay :)
[13:13] <bazhang> MUILTFN_, hi
[13:16] <Pici> !prayer
[13:17] <IdleOne> Ahman
[13:18] <Pici> so say we all
[14:36]  * rww ponders writing a "how to undo the damage that Linode does to their Debian and Ubuntu images" guide at some point
[14:39] <Pici> there is one floating out there.
[14:40] <Pici> rww: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/10/27/notes-from-setting-up-ubuntu-server-on-linode/
[14:41] <rww> yeah, I've seen that. it's missing some stuff and includes some unrelated stuff, though. e.g. I think Linode has things set to not install recommended packages by default, that sort of thing.
[14:45] <rww> hrm, maybe a "how to not use the built-in Debian image and roll through debian-installer on your own on Linode" post would be better. if that's even possible, iono.
[16:54] <jpds> [Freenode] [ ~capntrade!~trade@2001:470:c475:3133:7:f:e:d  ] not for long
[16:54] <Pici> bleh
[16:54] <jpds> Challange accepted.
 have you ever had sex with a man?
[16:55] <Pici> How pleasant.
 i hear you have to to be a ubuntu member
[16:57] <jpds> 16:56:04 <~capntrade> naw, i'll just evade and troll even harder next time
[16:57] <jpds> 16:56:13 <~capntrade> fuck you and your illusion of power
[16:57] <jpds> 16:56:43 <~capntrade> http://blog.feenode.net/?p=1272 for why
[16:58] <IdleOne> don't click it
[16:58] <IdleOne> you probably know that already
[16:58] <Pici> I did.
[16:58] <marienz> don't click anything below feenode.net, yes
[16:58] <Pici> I misread.
[16:58] <marienz> and thanks for reporting
[16:58] <IdleOne> Pici: me too
[16:58] <Pici> Chrome handled it well though.
[16:58] <IdleOne> yup
[16:58] <IdleOne> so did chromium
[17:00] <popey> so did wget
[17:00] <popey> :)
[17:01] <jpds> Yay for NoScript
[17:02] <IdleOne> where is genii when you need a coffee :/
[17:02] <jpds> IdleOne: The US?
[17:03] <IdleOne> that doesn't help my coffee situation
[17:03] <jpds> IdleOne: There's no coffee in the US?
[17:04] <IdleOne> sure there is
[17:04] <IdleOne> I'm not in the US though
[17:07]  * genii-around slides IdleOne a large, delicious, lifegiving coffee
[17:19]  * IdleOne sips
[17:19] <IdleOne> thank you good sir
[17:19] <genii-around> IdleOne: Anytime
[17:44] <ikonia> hello capntrade
[17:45] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:45] <ikonia> whoa, err hang on
[17:45] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[17:46] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:46] <IdleOne> capntrade: please change the attitude
[17:46] <ikonia> capntrade: ok, lets try to resolve this, why where you banned ?
[17:46] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:46] <ikonia> ok, converstion over, good bye
[17:47] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:47] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:47] <IdleOne> capntrade: are you willing to discuss this with ikonia ?
[17:48] <marienz> hmm, "conversation"
[17:48] <ikonia> marienz: oops, yes
[17:48] <marienz> I didn't mean the spelling
[17:48] <IdleOne> please remind me to remove that ban in a few hours
[17:48] <marienz> I mean this wasn't much of one
[17:48] <ikonia> no, leave it, I won't remind you ;)
[17:49] <IdleOne> hehe
[17:49] <IdleOne> conversation continues in PM
[17:50] <ikonia> and for me, ignoring
[17:50] <IdleOne> lots of unban me now
[17:50] <ikonia> ignoring it
[17:50] <IdleOne> yup same here
[17:52] <ikonia> heads up on ubuntu-women
[17:52] <ikonia> pleia2: ping ^
[17:52] <pleia2> thanks, I'll keep an eye out
[17:52] <ikonia> get ready for "unban me now" then a follow up on ban in pm
[17:54] <marienz> can someone prod me if he hits another channel and I don't notice it?
[17:54] <ikonia> just the ubuntu ones at the moment
[17:54] <ikonia> removed from offtopic and women
[17:55] <jpds> So much for "<~capntrade> i can evade that ban in 2 seconds"
[17:55] <ikonia> he's l33t
[17:55] <marienz> well, perhaps a little longer than two seconds, but yes
[17:55] <IdleOne> for the record it has been 8 minutes of "unban me now" in PM
[17:55] <IdleOne> ongoing
[17:56] <jpds> IdleOne: Be thankful you don't have what I have from him in PM.
[17:56] <ikonia> I'm curious to how far he can go as he's doing the pair of us
[17:56] <jpds> "<~capntrade> eat plagues of giant ******" - been going on for ages now.
[18:00] <mrmist> i guess i was lucky enough to have annoyed him sufficiently for him to stop talking
[18:02] <marienz> he's been asking me for my help for the last couple of minutes
[18:03] <IdleOne> help him off the network
[18:05] <jpds> marienz: Do it.
[18:07] <marienz> is he still talking to anyone in here?
[18:07] <ikonia> pm'ing me
[18:07] <IdleOne> me too
[18:07] <ikonia> sory
[18:07] <ikonia> "un ban me"
[18:07] <ikonia> unban me now
[18:07] <ikonia> sorry
[18:07] <IdleOne> 20 minutes
[18:08] <ikonia> there we go....
[18:09] <IdleOne> let's see if he is more responsive this time
[18:11] <Pici> I doubt it.
[18:11] <jpds> IdleOne: That was no way a few hours right there.
[18:11] <IdleOne> agreed but we are to catalyse and offer a place for resolution
[18:11] <IdleOne> right?
[18:12] <IdleOne> so if it continues when he returns I'll remember to !appeal before kb
[18:12] <ikonia> I wouldn't
[18:12] <ikonia> why invite him through a pointless process for other people
[18:12] <Pici> Anyone who hands out the 'feenode' links doesn't exactly get that privilege in my book, but whatever.
[18:13] <IdleOne> the nays have it
[18:21]  * gnomefreak scared :(, but what is feenode?
[18:22] <IdleOne> nothing you want to click
[18:22] <gnomefreak> works for me, thanks
[18:40] <oCean> notice Jak3 returned in #u
[18:41] <ikonia> ?
[18:41] <ikonia> is he not meant to be
[18:41] <oCean> cdbs showed him out yesterday
[18:41] <ikonia> he's not showing up as banned
[18:41] <ikonia> kicked or banned ?
[18:41] <oCean> got pretty nasty
[18:41] <cdbs> yes, I banned him yesterday
[18:41] <cdbs> I remember distinctly
[18:42] <oCean> so do I :(
[18:42] <cdbs> he is evading the ban
[18:42] <oCean> anyway, he's not making it a secret he returned.. :/
[18:42] <ikonia> lets find out, thanks oCean
[18:42] <IdleOne> he is using a different ip
[18:42] <IdleOne> 38492
[18:43] <oCean> Ok. Bye
[18:43] <cdbs> So, it means
[18:43] <cdbs>  /removeban?
[18:43] <IdleOne> cdbs: no
[18:43] <Jak3> i have joined
[18:43] <ikonia> hi Jak3 thanks for joining
[18:43] <Jak3> no problem
[18:43] <Jak3> just one thing.... y am i here?
[18:43] <ikonia> cdbs: would you like to talk to Jak3 or would you like me to ?
[18:44] <ikonia> usr13: can we help ?
[18:44] <cdbs> oops, my mistake
[18:44] <ikonia> ?
[18:44] <cdbs> of putting +z
[18:44] <ikonia> Jak3: be with you in one moment if you could please hang on
[18:44] <Jak3> lol.... silence
[18:44] <Jak3> ok
[18:45] <ikonia> Jak3: not ignoring you, won't be one moment
[18:45] <Jak3> o problem
[18:45] <Jak3> ok i understand
[18:45] <ikonia> usr13: hello ? do you need something ?
[18:45] <usr13> ikonia: not atm
[18:45] <ikonia> usr13: ok, then if you don't need anything could you please leave the channel, as this channel is for issue resolution only
[18:45] <usr13> np
[18:46] <ikonia> Jak3: apologies for the delay there
[18:46] <Jak3> ah.... i understand... my bad language.... sorry that was my lil bro..... he apologized last night
[18:46] <Jak3> its ok
[18:46] <ikonia> Jak3: I've asked you to join this channel, to discuss a few minor problems we've had with you in the channel, and hopefully resolve them
[18:47] <Jak3> yes i know what happened..... bad language.... threats......
[18:47] <ikonia> ok, so what's going on there ?
[18:47] <Jak3> ?
[18:47] <ikonia> you're asking for #ubuntu to support backtrack-linux and seem to keep asking if people need help, despite being told, if they need help, they will ask for it
[18:47] <ikonia> and as you said, the swearing etc
[18:48] <Jak3> yes....
[18:48] <ikonia> ok, you where also banned from the channel, and have attmpted to get around that ban with an IP change (intentionally or not)
[18:48] <ikonia> so what's causing this behaviour and can we please try and get you to stop  ?
[18:49] <Jak3> yes i will stop.... it was just a time of anger and stress and i was also tired....
[18:49] <ikonia> ok, a moment ago you told us that was your brother
[18:49] <ikonia> now you're telling us it was you ?
[18:50] <ikonia> (it's a lot easier if you're just honest)
[18:50] <Jak3> look i will stop going on the channel(s)
[18:50] <Jak3> i am being honest... it WAS me
[18:50] <ikonia> that's not what I'm asking for, you're welcome to use the channels if you can follow the rules
[18:50] <ikonia> ok, thank you for being honest, that's easier to have a discussion with
[18:50] <Jak3> ok what are the rules?
[18:50] <ikonia> !guidelines | Jak3
[18:51] <Jak3> thank you
[18:51] <ikonia> the channel is also governed by a code of conduct
[18:51] <ikonia> !coc | Jak3
[18:51] <Jak3> i just needed help
[18:51] <ikonia> I fully understand you need help and I want to get it to you
[18:51] <ikonia> but you must understand #ubuntu does not support backtrack-linux
[18:51] <Jak3> i am reading.... i will be a couple of mins
[18:51] <ikonia> I gave you channel for #backtrack-linux yesterday and you where rude to me
[18:52] <ikonia> if you needed help that bad why did you not join the correct channel and ask for help, instead of going off at people ?
[18:52] <Jak3> i needed help on my behavoir
[18:52] <ikonia> ok, so what can we do to help you keep in line with the ubuntu IRC rules ?
[18:52] <Jak3> ok 2 second i need to read the rules, OK?
[18:52] <ikonia> that's fine, no rush
[18:52] <Jak3> can you get someone to monitor me?
[18:53] <ikonia> I'm sorry no
[18:53] <ikonia> it's up to the individual to take responsability/ownership for their actions
[18:55] <Jak3> ok, no swearing, no bullying, no threats, no copyright...... i understand.... the admins must take control of the behavouir of members of chat rooms and the individual must be responsible for his/her's actions.... i am dearly sorry about this incident ikonia
[18:55] <ikonia> ok, and remember, the channel is for ubuntu support only, not backtrack
[18:55] <ikonia> if people need/want help, they will ask for it, you don't have to go prodding for it
[18:55] <Jak3> yes.... i must keep that in mind.....
[18:55] <ikonia> thank you
[18:56] <ikonia> I'll remove the mute I've just put on you, and the ban from the other day, if you have any questions or problems, just join this channel and ask, and we can help you with your bahviour issues
[18:56] <Jak3> may i go.... to the backtrack channel?
[18:56] <ikonia> yes, I gave you the backtrack linux channels yesterday
[18:57] <Jak3> thank you... yes i remember.... my hash button is not working.... can you help.... only if you want....
[18:57] <Pici> #backtrack-linux
[18:57] <IdleOne> !backtrack
[18:58] <Jak3> yes sorry
[18:58] <IdleOne> type /join #backtrack-linux
[18:58] <Jak3> goodbye.... will you always be here?
[18:58] <ikonia> Jak3: great. I've removed the ban and mute in #ubuntu, and you can join #backtrack-linux when you want, remember this channel can help you with the rules of the #ubuntu channels
[18:58] <ikonia> Jak3: someone is normally here and active yes
[18:58] <IdleOne> if God has any pity on us, no.
[18:58] <Jak3> OK, goodbye
[18:58] <ikonia> Jak3: appreciate the honesty
[18:59] <ikonia> nice to have a simple resolution
[18:59] <Pici> !prayer > IdleOne
[18:59] <IdleOne> I Ahman'ed that earlier
[18:59] <ikonia> I'm off home, laters all
[18:59] <Pici> I saw
[19:00] <IdleOne> later ikonia
[19:00] <IdleOne> I hope for the day we don't need ops on irc, a universe where people are nice and follow the rules...
[19:02] <IdleOne> store run
[19:06] <Jak3> is there a monitor here?
[19:06] <Jak3> i need to talk
[19:06] <Pici> Er, what do you mean?
[19:06] <Jak3> i need something to relieve my stress
[19:07] <Pici> Jak3: What does that have to do with IRC issue resolution?
[19:07] <Jak3> people are stressing me out.... i need to calm down
[19:07] <Pici> Jak3: Are you just looking for a chat channel?
[19:08] <Pici> Non-support?
[19:08] <Jak3> what a issue channel you are!!!!
[19:09] <Pici> uh?
[19:09] <KB1JWQ> Okay then...
[19:37] <Pici> Heh.  I like ubottu's new !test