[00:20] Hello. [00:21] :) [00:43] um, how do i enable compiz on natty classic? [00:43] the "effects" tab is... gone [00:44] also, who else thinks the icon for "no desktop effects" looks exactly like the ghostbusters logo? [00:46] "don't like them creepy wavey windows?......" "who you gonna call?" ;/ [00:49] ok i am confused [00:49] bug 701301 [00:49] Launchpad bug 701301 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "[Natty] No compiz config tab on Appearance capplet" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701301 [00:49] this says i have to select it on the login screen [00:49] ok, fair enough [00:49] but the available options on the login screen don't appear to include unity [00:50] and none of them give me compiz [00:52] is there a #unity for you to complain in? [00:53] complaining in #ubuntu+1 [00:53] i don't want unity, i want classic with compiz :) [00:54] *all* the options on login screen give me exactly the same thing: classic with no effects... [00:55] oh jeez... why is byobu in the menus? [00:55] why would i even want to use this if i have a GUI? [00:56] same problem with htop [00:56] doubt bugs in the menus are going to get much love though [00:57] i don't see htop [00:57] it is not installed by default [00:57] fair enough then [00:57] but if you do install it, it inserts itself into system tools [00:57] i dont even have a "system tools" [00:57] that's because it's empty with default apps [00:58] i see [00:58] i suppose you are slightly more likely to launch htop from a gui than byobu [00:58] going to make a new user [00:58] see if it fixes login stuff [00:59] oh wow the user settings dialogue doesn't work at all [01:13] popey: i confirm your bug btw [01:13] looks slightly different with human-murrine but it is clearly the same thing [01:13] can't post screenshot though cos for some reason i don't have a network-manager icon either [01:19] i like how there is multiple flavours of indicator applet now :) [01:33] ooo grub supports mode setting now? [01:44] how do i tell what i'm actually running? [01:48] ...and then it locked up completely... [03:49] I burned two Ubuntu CDs for a customer today. [03:49] :D [03:55] Anyone awake feel like looking over cooling setup? http://pastebin.com/HMggUSkN [03:58] cool [03:59] ali1234: I thought you'd shout at me :o [03:59] lol [03:59] cooling system for your PC: £300 [03:59] opening a window: priceless [03:59] xD [03:59] Overclocking to 4+ghz: priceless [04:00] anyway, i don't know anything about cooling systems [04:00] just felt like trolololing [04:00] :p [04:00] *shrug* it's cheaper than the ridiculous old cars some people have, and it has more purpose too [04:01] don't old cards sell for about the same as that set up? [04:01] *cars [04:02] ali1234: not if you keep them in a garage forever staring at them like "OMG ITS AWESOME *_*" [04:02] and "Noooo never sell this car" [04:03] fast PC can actually earn me money too, bitcoin @ idle ftw [04:03] or save the world, folding@home while idle [04:03] just no [04:03] xD [04:03] :( [04:03] bitcoin is going to earn you less than the cost of the electricity [04:03] haha [04:04] but nah as I say the main reason is I enjoy it and it's not an insanely expensive hobby when compared with a lot of others [04:04] you can spend as much as you want on PCs without much difficulty [04:04] just buy a mac pro [04:04] haha [04:04] max it out: £10000 [04:05] ali1234: sorry, I think you've got me confused....I want good hardware. [04:05] :P [04:05] a mac pro *is* good hardware [04:05] it's ridiculously overpriced hardware with crappy software :D [04:05] ok, it's not as good as the pricetag suggests, but it's not bad by any stretch [04:05] lol [04:15] * ball still fancies a Sun Ultra 60 [04:18] ball: haha :D [04:33] * ball wanders off to the kitchen. [04:52] * ball wanders back with corn chips. [06:18] * ball falls down [06:36] well I've managed to do something rather unusual! [06:37] I've managed to make any sounds that seems to be outputting from any application, sound electronic [06:37] or rather digitised - like a robot :S [06:37] all I did was open up mumble while totem was playing a DVD [06:38] I've since closed totem and mumble... and it still hasn't corrected itself [06:43] huh, seems to be caused by speech-dispatcher [06:43] ending that, seems to have fixed it [06:48] myääähh, I hate flus [06:58] Myrtti: yeah same [06:58] Myrtti: *hugs* [06:58] brb [07:19] hola ubunteros [07:28] morning all [07:32] http://www.ubuntu.com/business [07:40] I am heading to the daubers area today [07:53] Morning [07:54] AlanBell: My area? [07:54] reading? [07:54] inkpen [07:54] you old area [07:56] Really? Who're you seeing? Someone in the Sawmills? [07:57] company that makes racing harnesses for F1 cars [07:57] That must be in the old Sawmill.... [07:58] New Mills Industrial Estate, Post Office Road [07:58] so yeah [07:58] Yeah :) [07:58] http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Inkpen,+UK&aq=&sll=36.668419,-104.414062&sspn=48.476708,114.169922&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Inkpen,+Hungerford,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.379775,-1.462343&spn=0.00121,0.003484&t=h&z=19 There somewhere [07:59] yes [08:01] I have no idea which pub is currently in favour in the village, but the swan used to do a very nice steak, last I heard the chef had changed though so might be different now [08:01] My son is part of a select team of year 5s that have been asked to come together today and design the Olympic Stadium... [08:01] Thought we'd have a bit further on by now. [08:01] good to see they are getting some real expertise in [08:02] Indeed - although it is going to take a *lot* of Lego. [08:03] I am still awaiting my callup for the olympics [08:03] Ubuntorch? :) [08:19] http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=50112714 [08:23] dear internets.. PLEASE RESPOND [08:25] lol: http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000412.jpg [08:45] Morning [09:35] Greetings, humans! :D [09:37] o_0 looking at canonical's ubuntu for business PDF and guess what? Properties: Acrobat Distiller 8.2.2 (Macintosh)/Adobe InDesign CS4 (6.0.6) [09:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfooding [09:47] it probably wasn't done inhouse [09:51] maybe, yeah [09:53] morning :) [09:57] hi [09:59] How do i find the wireless card is 802.11 g or 802.11 n ? [09:59] I dont see it in lspci [09:59] good morning [09:59] i checked nm-tool also [10:01] kaushal: do you know the model name of the card? [10:01] mungojerry: yeah [10:01] kaushal: possibly iwlist [10:02] popey: were there any interesting oggcamp development over the weekend...........? [10:02] 0c:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [10:03] kaushal: iwconfig? [10:03] mungojerry: ah, yes I get those two confused [10:04] kaushal: but googling for ar5001 suggetsts its a/b/g [10:04] screen-x: so its half duplex ? [10:04] since full duplex is supported in 802.11 n ? [10:05] IEEE 802.11n ? [10:05] screen-x: maybe [10:05] popey: :) [10:06] screen-x: is there a way to see if its half duplex or full duplex ? [10:06] for wireless [10:07] brb [10:08] wifi is half duplex or simplex [10:08] ^ kaushal [10:08] ok [10:09] so full duplex is addressed in 802.11n right [10:09] not quite, but kinda [10:10] it uses two frequencies, 2.4GHz and 5GHz. [10:10] ok [10:10] so is there a next version after 802.11n ? [10:10] guys, how can i know for sure which driver is being used by a network card? [10:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11 [10:10] mungojerry: yes [10:11] sudo lspci -s address -vvv [10:11] ^ mungojerry [10:11] mungojerry: click network manager and choose connection info [10:11] kaushal: address? [10:11] it tells you the driver in the dialog box [10:12] popey: command line ? [10:12] kaushal: pardon? [10:12] I mean about mungojerry query [10:12] popey: it's on a remote machine running redhat :( [10:13] kaushal: i don't see the module listed in the output from the command [10:13] mungojerry: details dude, details :) [10:14] mungojerry: sudo lspci -s 09:00.0 -vvv [10:14] mungojerry: so run sudo lspci [10:14] er [10:14] and then run this command sudo lspci -s 09:00.0 -vvv [10:15] so the address 09:00.0 can be seen in the output of sudo lspci [10:15] http://pastebin.com/4TygCWMj [10:15] against the Network Controller Card [10:15] expecting to see the tg3 module or other mentioned [10:16] mungojerry: the pastebin is incomplete [10:17] kaushal: power dubgeting is the last line [10:21] mungojerry: does it show up in lsmod? [10:22] popey: yes tg3 appears in lsmod, but is not abolsute proof that tg3 is used by that card [10:23] it uses prior knowledge that i suspect it is the tg3 driver. [10:23] the reason i'm asking is that the latest rhel pxe boot fails to boot on a machine due to missing driver [10:23] in the pxe kernel [10:27] mungojerry: is it the only network card in the machine? [10:27] mungojerry: do you have kvm access? [10:29] popey: it's the only net card. i did a dmesg | grep tg3 and that seems conclusive enough i think [10:29] tg3: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. / tg3: eth0: Flow control is off for TX and off for RX. [10:29] yeah [10:29] i was going to suggest unloading the driver :) [10:30] :O [10:30] :P [10:30] that would be conclusive [10:31] the bug is actually a regression since centos 5.5 worked fine :( [10:31] mungojerry: lshw -C net [10:31] should specify module= in the capabilities: line [10:32] screen-x: sweet, just installing it [10:32] fantastic [10:32] that's the one [10:32] might help kaushal too :) [10:33] http://pastebin.com/kJ2MgZK8 [10:33] mungojerry: ok [10:33] Elwell: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Writer/FormattingPagesAndDocuments/How_do_I_insert_a_Landscape_page_into_my_(portrait)_document%3F Though here you can ignroe the first half as the Landscape style already exists. [10:37] mine doesnt specify the module on the capabilities line [10:38] popey: configuration line? [10:38] popey: does it state driver instead? [10:38] configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e [10:38] ah yes [10:38] so it does [10:38] driver=forcedeth [10:39] driver=ath5k [10:39] the RH version must be ancient [10:39] alan@mrevo:~/click$ lshw -version [10:39] B.02.14 [10:39] popey: I misread it initially, and didnt see thet start of configuration line. [10:39] :) [10:39] thanks, useful info [10:40] i liek how there's about 10 commands and they are all nearly right but only one does exactly what you want [10:40] \o/ choice [10:52] man, i'm glad the weekend is over. now i'm back to work i can rest [10:53] and actually sit down for long periods of time only using my brain and fingers to type [10:53] mungojerry: heh, I feel a bit like that, though I do enjoy the hectic weekends :) [10:53] screen-x: for me, a good weekend is where i haven't done much. [10:54] this weekend was the opposite. plus baby decided to get a fever during the night, meaning sleep deprivation of 50% [10:55] i don't know how single parents cope. we are both working flat out [10:56] mungojerry: I guess I will appreciate tranquility once kids arrive! [10:56] screen-x: yeah, and make the most of lie-ins. [10:56] Hello. [10:57] morning [10:57] morning s-fox, just in time for elevenses [10:57] Hello mungojerry :) [10:57] Hello screen-x =) [10:57] mmm, food [11:00] morning all [11:00] czajkowski: why you in wales? [11:00] davmor2: ireland I believe [11:00] yes, they let her back in! [11:01] popey: I think her is still on her way [11:01] popey: we got time to put up the barriers before she returns this time :D [11:03] looking at the list of ideas for google SOC. i notice debian are thinking of something similar to launchpad PPAs [11:04] * bigcalm click/clacks noisily [11:04] bigcalm: BOFHing? [11:05] bigcalm: IBM keyboard? [11:06] HAH! Agencies really are borrom feeding scum these days [11:06] £4.5k for 1 role [11:07] oh dear [11:07] yeah, best to advertise on jobsite, cwjob and guardian jobs yerself. it's not as if they do much work on the CV fitlering [11:07] mungojerry: Already have :) They got my details from there and cold called me [11:07] which agency? [11:07] recruit360 was the one that just rang [11:08] IT job? [11:08] once i got sent to a java dev job, when i'm a sysadmin. clearly a mismatch. when i asked to see the copy of my cv they had been given , the agency had inserted a line into my CV that was clearly false [11:09] mungojerry, this is why you only send CVs as .pdf. if they insist on .doc, they want to lie on your cv [11:09] directhex: developer type, yes :) [11:09] daubers, then that agency is a sham. there are a few semi-competent agencies for IT types [11:10] directhex: It's normally so they can take your contact details out and replace it with theirs so they can't be pulled out of the loop [11:10] daubers, indeed. but if they want that, you can provide a PDF with that [11:10] yeah, where I used to work we got anonymised CVs from agencies. but if they're that into it there's nothing stopping them editing a pdf, too [11:10] BigRedS, there's the technical barrier. these aren't wizards [11:11] gpg sign it :) [11:11] directhex: I just supplied CV's with my contact stuff hidden in the meta data bits :) Got a couple of phone calls from people who got my CV from that agency and didn't want to pay the rates [11:11] once i was choosing between 2 jobs.. (back in 2001). one was a dotcom, one was a bank. the agency for the dotcom role got an ex-employee of the bank to cold call me to tell me why i shouldn't work for the bank. i took the bank job and 2 months later the dotcom folded. [11:12] ach, you could've saved them! [11:12] really though, some agencies aren't awful [11:12] I see no reason to pay 15% of an annual salary as an agency fee, what they do isn't worth that much [11:12] BigRedS: it was LOLtastic. they had a room full on sun kit they didn't know how to use. they had bought it cheap from boo.com when they folded [11:12] monarch and huxley are some of the less bad ones [11:14] ubuntu not part of gsoc :( [11:14] shame on google! [11:14] gord: http://askubuntu.com/questions/31064/ubuntu-isnt-on-googles-list-of-summer-of-code-participants [11:47] morning [11:47] lo [11:48] o/ [11:49] * kazade is ill :( [11:50] :( [11:50] popey, you been running my app? ;) [11:51] a bit :) [11:51] cool :) [11:51] any weirdness? [11:51] not yet [11:52] dont get to use it much because I'm not at an Ubuntu machine daytime [11:52] you on WIndows? [11:52] * kazade raises the priority of the Windows port [11:53] Na, TweetDeck is good enough ;) [11:54] bigcalm, TweetDeck will have more features than mine [11:54] I'm going for lightweight and elegant ;) [11:54] Good :) [11:55] kazade: do you have a PPA for your app? [11:55] * mungojerry is good at breaking apps [11:55] mungojerry, it's still way too early for mass testing. Popey has a copy because it was partly his idea :) [11:55] ok :P [11:55] *popey (capitalize fail) [11:56] heh [11:57] Anybody know how to change the key repeat rate in windows? [11:57] This new keyboard is horrible slow [11:57] And, hi peeps :) [11:58] mungojerry, btw #ubuntu-uk == beta testers ;) [11:58] Found it [12:08] good afternoon everyone. [12:12] G'morning brobostigon ! [12:12] hi BigRedS :) [12:13] hello! How's things? [12:14] BigRedS: massive headache, dry throat, back pain. and you? [12:15] generally aching from carrying boxes all weekend, but otherwise pretty good [12:15] what've you been up to to end up like that? [12:16] BigRedS: i have been up to nothing, [12:29] it's lunchtime, so it must be my hour of eating and trying to break unity/natty [12:30] :) [12:30] hehe, [12:30] * BigRedS doesn't need to try [12:31] s/trying to break/breaking ? [12:32] i am on gnome-shell on natty, and other than gpu lockup's, it hasnt broken proper, in a while now. === hpy2beme is now known as gregoryfenton [12:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096 [12:34] Ubuntu bug 715096 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000011)" [High,Incomplete] [12:35] that is my natty bugbear, [12:38] brobostigon: i have the 945g - is 945gm the laptop version? [12:40] mungojerry: i am presuming so, as i am on an eeepc. [12:42] ah, i was gonna try natty on my eee [12:43] just noticed that the banshee systray control is gone and launcher doesn't have any features for playing/stopping music yet :S [12:43] beta 1 in 10 days :P [12:43] yes. [12:43] test with the kernel bryce gave? [12:44] comment #5 and #8 [12:44] popey: i did, the system wouldnt boot at all, and frooze just in mid boot. [12:45] you might want to leave a comment to that effect [12:45] :P [12:45] i will do, yes, i only managed to test tht kernel late last night. [12:46] * mungojerry whips out his eee for some reformatting [12:49] firefox has serious issues: open 50 tabs..1Gb resident RAM usage. close 49 tabs... 900MB resident RAM usage [12:49] sometimes it doesnt happen for days, and then it happens really often, its very weird, [12:53] I think weird memory usage is something of a Mozilla trademark [12:57] mm firefox rc is running really nicely [12:59] mungojerry: that's because FF the instance is still running so the memory is still in use for cache purposes, if you close the one window and open it again it'll free up loads. Well Known issue :) [13:00] aww they haven't fixed the resizeable dialog boxes [13:19] The upcoming samsung 900 series laptops have 5xYes ports apparently http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/pc-peripherals/notebook-computers/thin-and-light/NP900X3A-A01UK/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification [13:22] damn, i need a yes hub then [13:24] davmor2: yes, it's annoyed me for a long time since i rarely restart the whole app. thought they might have got round to fixing in ff4 [13:25] mungojerry: my gmail __tab_ is using 470mb [13:26] screen-x: wow, you can run thunderbird on less [13:26] yah, but I wouldn't want to ;-) [13:50] there seems to be a habit lately across the computing world to make computers less usable. firefox joined the game too with missing status bar and missing RSS icon. fortunately there's add-ons for that [13:51] mungojerry: I really like the chromium status bar, its there exactly as long as you need it, but doesn't take up space when you don't need it. [13:52] don't really like chromium as much for some reason [14:26] Hmm [14:26] I was looking thru some old CD's and came across Darwinia [14:27] which was a decent game. [14:27] And looked up their site to see if they're around and happily they are. [14:27] but noticed that they have opensourced Darwinia and Multiwina - it's not free open source, you have to purchase it [14:29] they did that with uplink too [14:29] Be nice to see a linux version of Multiwinia like there is with Darwinia [14:33] Anyway, have anyone got or played with an Android Honeycomb tablet? [14:33] Looking at getting a tablet [14:33] jgjones_: aybe they shoudl get it into the humble indie bundle [14:34] what for jgjones_? (not sarcastic, I'm genuinely interested..) [14:35] Number of reasons - but one of the biggest use would be for video calling (something I do all the time) [14:35] Taking notes [14:36] quick access for surfing etc while on the move (I still don't like netbooks) [14:36] jgjones_: hand written, or tapped? [14:36] screen-x, both [14:36] i'd consider one, if i didn't think tablets were pointless and android was sucky [14:36] finger-writing is fine [14:37] jgjones_: I find it much harder than using a stylus [14:37] I had the chance to use an iPad and it was quite useful, but I felt rather restricted with it. I would consider the iPad 2 and root it. [14:37] * brobostigon would like like to try a tablet with QNX. [14:37] screen-x, you can get stylus that work on tablets. [14:38] directhex, Android isn't perfect, but I find it easier to work with than iOS. [14:39] brobostigon, rim? [14:39] anyway video calling is the biggest use though. Another use I would use for tablets is for use as a captioned relay [14:39] directhex: yes, i tried QNX few years ago now, and was really impressed. [14:40] * mungojerry doesn't remember when he last used a webcam or made a video call [14:40] brobostigon, i can't think of a worse os for a battery-constrained device though [14:40] Captioned relay - alternative to text/video relay - you call the relay, and talk on phone normally, but all replies can be heard, but you get the replies captioned on a display [14:40] afaik the touchscreens on tablets don't work well with stylus - correct me if i'm wrong [14:40] directhex: yes, you maybe right. [14:41] mungojerry, I'm deaf - so I use sign language - thus I use video calling a lot :-) [14:41] jgjones_: do you use a real VC too? [14:41] i mean dedicated VC system [14:41] VC? [14:41] videconf [14:41] like tandberg, polycom [14:42] oh [14:42] jgjones_: so you need a tablet with a stand... [14:42] No [14:42] mungojerry, too expensive - however I used to have Polycom VC software [14:42] Still have it actually. [14:42] jgjones_: i think it's possible to make a direct video call with ekiga to one of those devices [14:43] screen-x, yup, a foldable stand, or a case that can be used as a stand. [14:43] last employer used tandberg vc and 50 inch screens - really nice [14:43] mungojerry, you can - but video codecs tend to be an issue. [14:43] Best VC system I used was made by LifeSize [14:44] mungojerry, HD video conf is very nice [14:44] I'll get it if I succeed in my job application this Friday [14:44] jgjones_: got an interview? [14:44] Sort of. [14:45] Cool :) [14:45] Go into a shop, hand over £2, get a piece of paper with a number. [14:45] If successful, I'll be employed as a millionaire playboy. [14:45] haha [14:45] ;-) [14:46] i have long discussions with people about the odds of winning the lottery [14:46] mungojerry: Its 50:50, You either will or you won't :) [14:46] i start the argument by proposing that it is impossible. [14:46] mungojerry: I was always taught that the lottery is a tax for the mathematically challenged [14:47] You have better chances of getting hit by a rock from outer space, so I'm betting on either winning or getting hit by a rock. [14:48] mungojerry, you should aruge that people should use the number 1,2,3,4,5,6 :-) People always say it's impossible and silly and doesn't accept that they have an equal chance of coming up as any other numbers. [14:49] screen-x, you could say the same about insurance. [14:50] the lottery plays on the idea that "see, somebody won it, could have been me", when humans can't comprehend the unlikelyhood of 1 in 15million odds [14:50] directhex: except insurance is a legal requirement [14:50] screen-x, some insurances are [14:51] directhex: and the otherones I don't have. With the exception of house insusrance, but thats only because of the large debt attachted to it. [14:51] most houses don't fall down [14:52] directhex: I'd say electrical fire is the most likely catastrophe. [14:53] directhex: though we've already had one break in :( [14:53]