[16:28] <kdub_> reminder: ubuntu hour SD tomorrow downtown!
[17:11] <pleia2> kdub: can you remind me tomorrow so I can update twitter/identica/facebook with a reminder? :)
[17:12] <kdub> sure pleia2
[17:13] <pleia2> (typical reminder: I don't really want to hold the keys to the castle, if someone else wants to help keeping social media updated I'd be happy to share!)
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> i dont mind. i recall i volunteered, but then the subject changed :) things move fast in an IRC meeting!
[17:21] <pleia2> oh, sorry for missing that :)
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> like a month or two ago. if no one else steps up, i'll do whatever you need
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> we were mostly talking about feeding info to all of the accounts... facebook, twitter, etc
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> in other news i got this old 80 year old guys computer switched over to ubuntu
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> its an older P4. upgraded ram from 500mb to 2gb
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> computer was a dog with XP on it
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> now it kicks butt
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> i was worried when evolution didnt have a an outlook PST import option, so i ran all the updates and evolution was updated (whew). all his email is there and working!
[17:38] <pleia2> ram always makes a huge difference :)
[17:38] <pleia2> my 2nd desktop is a p4, 3G of ram and it runs like a champ
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> strangely, the motherboard had TWO different ram size slots
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> so i wasnt about to put the 3rd chip in
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> id never seen that before
[17:41] <pleia2> weird
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> it had two of one kind, and two of another kind
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> the only thing i could think of is the two last slots accepted an older ram chip in case people were upgrading or something. i dont know.
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> 2GB is better than nothing, especially for checking email
[17:43] <pleia2> 2G is great
[17:44] <kdub> pentium 4 was a strong chipset overall
[17:44] <iheartubuntu> so i3 i5 and i7 are no longer pentium4?
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> ok i got your text thanks
[17:45] <pleia2> pentium4 is long gone
[17:45] <pleia2> sure
[17:45] <kdub> well, they're the evolution of those architectures
[17:45] <kdub> the big shake-up was when they slapped a second core on one die
[17:45] <kdub> caused all sorts of disruptions :P
[17:45] <pleia2> and p4 is 32-bit
[17:45] <pleia2> the i-series is 64-bit, multicore and has hardware virtualization <3
[17:46] <pleia2> I have an i7 in my desktop, paid a bundle for it a year ago but I would do it again :)
[17:48] <pleia2> and my poor boyfriend, we're ordering parts and he's an AMD guy, cringing with every intel decision
[17:48] <iheartubuntu> i have a p4 thats 64 bit... hmmm.
[17:49] <iheartubuntu> i think it says hyperthreading or something
[17:49] <pleia2> ah, I guess some of them were extended
[17:49] <pleia2> "In 2004, the initial 32-bit x86 instruction set of the Pentium 4 microprocessors was extended by the 64-bit x86-64 set."
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> i think i had bought that system in 2007
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> i have a very similar desktop that i bought in 2005 thats only 32 bit
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> does anyone here have ATT for their internet provider? im having a problem getting evolution to use SMTP. I realize i need to use att's smtp servers. evolution shows it sending the emails, but the mail never leaves the "outbox". it should go to the sent box if it worked correctly.
[19:18] <iheartubuntu> i used the SMTP info here: http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[19:18] <iheartubuntu> (click imap tab)
[19:19] <iheartubuntu> and it has the setup for outgoing mail. should have worked
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> maybe the smtp server info is different, although that looks like the one iveh ad to use in the past
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> htis family im helping cannot find their ATT fold with all the info in it
[19:25] <jtatum> there's a lot of at&t isps
[19:25] <jtatum> uverse? dsl? sbc? dialup? worldnet?
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> good question
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> i figured they are all using smtp.mail.yahoo.com as the outgoing server
[19:25] <jtatum> a lot of isps block all outbound smtp servers except their own
[19:26] <jtatum> mailhost.att.net, mail.attbi.com come up as two to try
[19:26] <iheartubuntu> i shouldnt assume (ass/u/me) anything otherwise i will make an ass out of u and me
[19:26] <jtatum> from command prompt, to test use $ telnet <host> 25
[19:26] <jtatum> no need, i'm already an ass
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> im pretty sure att blocks. at work here we use att and i have to use their servers if i use evolution
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> but i dont really know what these peoples att is since they cant find their folder.
[19:28] <iheartubuntu> what info do i use for host?
[19:28] <jtatum> the host you want to test
[19:28] <jtatum> smtp.mail.yahoo.com or mailhost.att.net or whatever
[19:28] <iheartubuntu> ohh i see
[19:29] <jtatum> actually, seeing some junk about smtp.att.yahoo.com port 465, so try $ telnet smtp.att.yahoo.com 465
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> here at work it says connected when i use smtp.att.yahoo.com
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> and smtp.mail,yahoo.com did not work
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> att worked, mail did not
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> i need to remote to his computer again and try it
[19:32] <jtatum> yes
[19:32] <iheartubuntu> same service, same company, just a couple miles away so i think it will work
[19:32] <iheartubuntu> thanks jtatum!!!!
[19:32] <jtatum> sure
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> jtatum
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> did not work :(
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> telnet showed it was fine
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> so the smtp server is correct
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> actually it should have worked
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> but i was using my att account login since they could not find theirs. apparently they need to use their exact login
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> to gain access to the smtp server
[20:41] <akk> I've never figured out how get att login info. We have att dsl, but no password I could use for the smtp server.
[20:41] <iheartubuntu> so what did u do?
[20:42] <akk> d has an account with another ISP and I use that instead.
[20:42] <akk> When we're at home we don't need a password (since we're on their net anyway) -- it's only for traveling that I need one.
[20:43] <iheartubuntu> well, this person i am helping uses att, and evolution isnt liking att mail server. i tried to use his domains pop server got nowhere
[20:45] <akk> Have you tried without a password? This is just a desktop home system?
[20:46] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: might try port 587 for smtp instead
[20:46] <iheartubuntu> i dont think i can enter a port in evolution
[20:46] <pleia2> (25 is largely deprecated, and a lot of ISPs block it both ways)
[20:46] <iheartubuntu> just SSL and then login and password
[20:46] <pleia2> you can
[20:46] <iheartubuntu> i can?
[20:46] <akk> don't mailers like evolution do that automatically?
[20:47] <pleia2> evolution would be useless if you couldn't specify the correct port (587 is correct, 25 is wrong)
[20:47] <iheartubuntu> i should just go over there and do it. i keep waking him out of his rocking chair to remotely try things :)
[20:47] <pleia2> hehe
[20:47] <iheartubuntu> 465 is ATTs port
[20:48] <pleia2> yeah, 465 is the ssl port
[20:48] <pleia2> if it's actually an auth problem you may try variations of the usernames, some of them want "username" some of them want "username@domain.com"
[20:49] <pleia2> and it's easy to mix those up when configuring
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> so how do i change evolutions port settings
[20:50] <iheartubuntu> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=change+evolutions+port+setting
[20:50] <iheartubuntu> should give me something
[20:50] <pleia2> :)
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> i add the port number at the end! duh
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> smtp.att.yahoo.com:25
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> smtp.att.yahoo.com:465
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> smtp.att.yahoo.com:587
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> att calls out for port 465 though
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> SSL automatically uses 465?
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> or should i specify it
[20:54] <pleia2> it should
[20:57] <iheartubuntu> so i should still use SSL but try 587
[21:02] <pleia2> 465 is fine
[21:03] <pleia2> I was just saying 587 because you want to avoid 25 these days because a lot of ISPs block it so you can run into trouble
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> i must need his exact att login then its not accepting my att stuff from work.
[21:03] <akk> Seems so silly -- like spammers can't figure that out and switch to 587?
[21:04] <pleia2> akk: it's a neverending war :) they will eventually switch to 587, but the tools they've been letting loose all over the internet via viruses and worms that hard code 25 will stop working at least
[21:07] <pleia2> it's amazing how long people have these nasty things installed on their computers
[21:24] <akk> I got some amusing telephone spam/phish this morning.
[21:25] <akk> Phone rang, I answer, some guy with an Indian accent says "I'm from the the technical maintaince department. We want to help you with your Microsoft Windows computer."
[21:25] <akk> (this is at home)
[22:55] <jhana-frog> i saw a commercial the other night that was for a so-called "stem cell topical treatment" that would eliminate the effects of aging
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> interesting
[23:08] <iheartubuntu> didnt ponce de leon search for that?
[23:09] <pleia2> fountains are so much more romantic than topical treatments
[23:13] <akk> The Fountain of Pluripotence?
[23:13] <pleia2> hehe
[23:34] <iheartubuntu> he could have just ordered the topical treatments in 3 installments of $19.95!