=== crash|party-hat is now known as crashsystems [16:28] reminder: ubuntu hour SD tomorrow downtown! === kdub_ is now known as kdub [17:11] kdub: can you remind me tomorrow so I can update twitter/identica/facebook with a reminder? :) [17:12] sure pleia2 [17:13] (typical reminder: I don't really want to hold the keys to the castle, if someone else wants to help keeping social media updated I'd be happy to share!) [17:20] i dont mind. i recall i volunteered, but then the subject changed :) things move fast in an IRC meeting! [17:21] oh, sorry for missing that :) [17:22] like a month or two ago. if no one else steps up, i'll do whatever you need [17:24] we were mostly talking about feeding info to all of the accounts... facebook, twitter, etc [17:36] in other news i got this old 80 year old guys computer switched over to ubuntu [17:36] its an older P4. upgraded ram from 500mb to 2gb [17:37] computer was a dog with XP on it [17:37] now it kicks butt [17:37] i was worried when evolution didnt have a an outlook PST import option, so i ran all the updates and evolution was updated (whew). all his email is there and working! [17:38] ram always makes a huge difference :) [17:38] my 2nd desktop is a p4, 3G of ram and it runs like a champ [17:40] strangely, the motherboard had TWO different ram size slots [17:41] so i wasnt about to put the 3rd chip in [17:41] id never seen that before [17:41] weird [17:41] it had two of one kind, and two of another kind [17:42] the only thing i could think of is the two last slots accepted an older ram chip in case people were upgrading or something. i dont know. [17:42] 2GB is better than nothing, especially for checking email [17:43] 2G is great [17:44] pentium 4 was a strong chipset overall [17:44] so i3 i5 and i7 are no longer pentium4? [17:45] ok i got your text thanks [17:45] pentium4 is long gone [17:45] sure [17:45] well, they're the evolution of those architectures [17:45] the big shake-up was when they slapped a second core on one die [17:45] caused all sorts of disruptions :P [17:45] and p4 is 32-bit [17:45] the i-series is 64-bit, multicore and has hardware virtualization <3 [17:46] I have an i7 in my desktop, paid a bundle for it a year ago but I would do it again :) [17:48] and my poor boyfriend, we're ordering parts and he's an AMD guy, cringing with every intel decision [17:48] i have a p4 thats 64 bit... hmmm. [17:49] i think it says hyperthreading or something [17:49] ah, I guess some of them were extended [17:49] "In 2004, the initial 32-bit x86 instruction set of the Pentium 4 microprocessors was extended by the 64-bit x86-64 set." [17:51] i think i had bought that system in 2007 [17:51] i have a very similar desktop that i bought in 2005 thats only 32 bit [19:17] does anyone here have ATT for their internet provider? im having a problem getting evolution to use SMTP. I realize i need to use att's smtp servers. evolution shows it sending the emails, but the mail never leaves the "outbox". it should go to the sent box if it worked correctly. [19:18] i used the SMTP info here: http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail [19:18] (click imap tab) [19:19] and it has the setup for outgoing mail. should have worked [19:20] maybe the smtp server info is different, although that looks like the one iveh ad to use in the past [19:21] htis family im helping cannot find their ATT fold with all the info in it [19:25] there's a lot of at&t isps [19:25] uverse? dsl? sbc? dialup? worldnet? [19:25] good question [19:25] i figured they are all using smtp.mail.yahoo.com as the outgoing server [19:25] a lot of isps block all outbound smtp servers except their own [19:26] mailhost.att.net, mail.attbi.com come up as two to try [19:26] i shouldnt assume (ass/u/me) anything otherwise i will make an ass out of u and me [19:26] from command prompt, to test use $ telnet 25 [19:26] no need, i'm already an ass [19:27] im pretty sure att blocks. at work here we use att and i have to use their servers if i use evolution [19:27] but i dont really know what these peoples att is since they cant find their folder. [19:28] what info do i use for host? [19:28] the host you want to test [19:28] smtp.mail.yahoo.com or mailhost.att.net or whatever [19:28] ohh i see [19:29] actually, seeing some junk about smtp.att.yahoo.com port 465, so try $ telnet smtp.att.yahoo.com 465 [19:30] here at work it says connected when i use smtp.att.yahoo.com [19:30] and smtp.mail,yahoo.com did not work [19:31] att worked, mail did not [19:31] i need to remote to his computer again and try it [19:32] yes [19:32] same service, same company, just a couple miles away so i think it will work [19:32] thanks jtatum!!!! [19:32] sure [20:38] jtatum [20:38] did not work :( [20:38] telnet showed it was fine [20:38] so the smtp server is correct [20:38] actually it should have worked [20:39] but i was using my att account login since they could not find theirs. apparently they need to use their exact login [20:39] to gain access to the smtp server [20:41] I've never figured out how get att login info. We have att dsl, but no password I could use for the smtp server. [20:41] so what did u do? [20:42] d has an account with another ISP and I use that instead. [20:42] When we're at home we don't need a password (since we're on their net anyway) -- it's only for traveling that I need one. [20:43] well, this person i am helping uses att, and evolution isnt liking att mail server. i tried to use his domains pop server got nowhere [20:45] Have you tried without a password? This is just a desktop home system? [20:46] iheartubuntu: might try port 587 for smtp instead [20:46] i dont think i can enter a port in evolution [20:46] (25 is largely deprecated, and a lot of ISPs block it both ways) [20:46] just SSL and then login and password [20:46] you can [20:46] i can? [20:46] don't mailers like evolution do that automatically? [20:47] evolution would be useless if you couldn't specify the correct port (587 is correct, 25 is wrong) [20:47] i should just go over there and do it. i keep waking him out of his rocking chair to remotely try things :) [20:47] hehe [20:47] 465 is ATTs port [20:48] yeah, 465 is the ssl port [20:48] if it's actually an auth problem you may try variations of the usernames, some of them want "username" some of them want "username@domain.com" [20:49] and it's easy to mix those up when configuring [20:49] so how do i change evolutions port settings [20:50] http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=change+evolutions+port+setting [20:50] should give me something [20:50] :) [20:52] i add the port number at the end! duh [20:52] smtp.att.yahoo.com:25 [20:52] smtp.att.yahoo.com:465 [20:52] smtp.att.yahoo.com:587 [20:53] att calls out for port 465 though [20:53] SSL automatically uses 465? [20:53] or should i specify it [20:54] it should [20:57] so i should still use SSL but try 587 [21:02] 465 is fine [21:03] I was just saying 587 because you want to avoid 25 these days because a lot of ISPs block it so you can run into trouble [21:03] i must need his exact att login then its not accepting my att stuff from work. [21:03] Seems so silly -- like spammers can't figure that out and switch to 587? [21:04] akk: it's a neverending war :) they will eventually switch to 587, but the tools they've been letting loose all over the internet via viruses and worms that hard code 25 will stop working at least [21:07] it's amazing how long people have these nasty things installed on their computers [21:24] I got some amusing telephone spam/phish this morning. [21:25] Phone rang, I answer, some guy with an Indian accent says "I'm from the the technical maintaince department. We want to help you with your Microsoft Windows computer." [21:25] (this is at home) [22:55] i saw a commercial the other night that was for a so-called "stem cell topical treatment" that would eliminate the effects of aging [23:07] interesting [23:08] didnt ponce de leon search for that? [23:09] fountains are so much more romantic than topical treatments [23:13] The Fountain of Pluripotence? [23:13] hehe [23:34] he could have just ordered the topical treatments in 3 installments of $19.95!