[07:09] morning [07:23] hello [08:54] hmmm can someone check out Bug #739226 this could be a few different problems [08:54] fagan: Bug 739226 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/739226 is private [08:56] ill wait to see if it gets marked automatically as a dup I suppose [09:06] morning mandel [09:06] fagan: morning! [09:07] fagan: sorry if I was late, I had to drive from Madrid to BArcelona and arrived at 1 am... [09:07] I hate having to go to weedings.... [09:07] well im not starting today anyway [09:07] fagan: really? how come? [09:07] HR :) [09:07] pffff [09:08] Tuesday+ maybe [09:08] depending on HR moving quickly [09:08] brb fixing empathy [09:09] thats better [09:09] hello mandel [09:09] I was getting double messages [09:09] fagan: have they told you what is the problem? [09:09] duanedesign: morning, how is the job hunt? [09:10] mandel: well they are just taking ages, they rang me on friday and said they should have it today or tomorrow [09:11] mandel: nothing yet. But i am trying to stay positive :) [09:11] duanedesign: have you tried google they seem to be really pushing for people [09:12] fagan: well be patient then, if you want I can give you something to work on, or we can wait for tom (I'd wait for tom, take advantage of as many holidays as you can) [09:12] duanedesign: what ae you lookng for? [09:12] mandel: yeah ill wait but im still having a look around the code in my spare time anyway since its helpful [09:13] * fagan remembers google HR googled linux people and emailed him for an interview but they didnt love my college record [09:13] fagan: sure, I think it would be the best [09:13] google have been doing lots of ads and stuff too looking for people [09:14] mandel: yeah im spending the day in today watching films and stuff [09:14] :) [09:14] fagan: yes, but they HR is strange, I know they have called people that owned companies or for jobs they had nothing to do with [09:14] yeah they are kinda funny [09:15] well there is like 1k of them in the entire company so they have to get some work some how [09:15] fagan: good hehe, if you have some time for programming, you can always read a little of PyQt, I can give you the oreilly book f you want to [09:15] oooh mandel give me :) [09:15] * fagan is a book nerd anyway [09:17] fagan: ok, let me get it [09:17] mandel: graphic design is what i have done for the past 10 years. I am trying to transition to development.Right now though I only have python apps to show as samples [09:17] fagan: can you send me your email over pm? [09:17] pm is cool [09:17] duanedesign: oh, so you are looking for a junior place in python, right? [09:17] and you dont know my email? for shame [09:18] fagan: I'm ssure I can find it, but soooo much easier to ask for it ;) [09:18] duanedesign: if you want a python development job the best thing to do is go do some patches for stuff in the open source world [09:19] and if you are a designer you could do a good bit of gtk and stuff too and offer your design experience too [09:21] fagan: yes probably should do some patches. Been working mostly on making my own applications [09:21] mandel: yes [09:21] duanedesign: well thats cool too and you can show all of what you know then [09:21] duanedesign: hm, if I know of anything I'd late you know, but I dont think I would find anything [09:21] duanedesign: which tools are you using to find the job? [09:22] * fagan thinks the greatest tool to find a job is contacts [09:23] mandel: http://jobs.37signals.com/ [09:25] duanedesign: use more places, look at monsters.com is not great, but there are lots of head hunters there [09:26] also they have lots of junior jobs [09:26] been looking into using sites like Odesk and freelancer.com to get some contracted work [09:26] isnt that monster.com [09:27] contract work is annoying most of it is 3 years + experience [09:27] well, something like that hehehe [09:30] thanks for the tips mandel fagan [09:30] off to get breakfast [09:30] np [09:31] file some bugs when i get back >:) [09:31] i can not reproduce bug 735571 [09:31] Launchpad bug 735571 in ubuntuone-client ""Ubuntu One Control Panel" is cropped and contains unclickable scrollbar (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735571 [09:32] but I did notice another weird bug. When you maximize and then minimize the preferences panel. It minimizes back to a weird size [09:35] duanedesign: what do you mean? can you get a screen shot of that? [09:35] Greetings, humans! :D [09:37] mandel: oh I get that too [09:37] nice catch duanedesign [09:40] mandel: http://ubuntuone.com/p/igP/ [09:40] yeah exactly that [09:41] I wonder if thats the window manager or the window itself causing that though [09:41] sorry about the screenshot window in their. Seems the 'delay' till screenshot is not working :P [09:41] duanedesign: file a bug on that too :) [09:43] duanedesign: hm, nessita took care of that, file a bug and assign it to her, she will know what to do [09:44] * fagan really needs a new laptop [09:44] this one thinks its 2005 and wont charge any more :/ [09:46] fagan, is dbus-monitor --session working for you? [09:46] rye: yeah its outputting a load of jibber jabber [09:47] It shouldnt boot if the dbus was broken [09:47] fagan, and does running u1sdtool --start; u1sdtool --status [09:47] going mental it seems [09:47] sec [09:48] fagan, exactly, it should crash all the desktop apps... but I keep seeing more and more of such reports, so if everything else works then we are not doing something we should [09:48] it reminds me of ubuntuone-login firefox browser startup bug which was never caught... [09:48] rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/583251/ but its a little deceptive since its still spamming notify-osd with sync stuff [09:49] and I am online [09:49] It may be that my computer is back in 2005 and I cant change the clock to 2010 [09:49] fagan, spamming notify-osd ? [09:50] yep I tried to upload a screenshot to it and its saying .... is being uploaded.... [09:50] like its been up there for about 10 mins now [09:50] fagan, well, it is supposed to say that unless it is disabled [09:50] fagan, READY, not QUEUE_MANAGER in u1sdtool --status now? [09:51] well the screenshot is in the trash now [09:51] :-/ [09:51] queues: IDLE [09:51] i wonder whether datetime issue can prevent SSL connection from being established [09:51] fagan, but is the State QUEUE_MANAGER ? [09:51] oooooh ssl is going nuts in firefox [09:52] fagan, because the certs issue date is in the future? [09:52] yeah [09:52] probably that [09:52] damn so many things going badly [09:52] fagan, maybe you will have some luck stopping ntpd if it is running and issuing sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org to hard-reset the clock? [09:53] ok working [09:53] oh nice that fixed the date time issue and the u1 notify spam stopped I think it just backlogged it [09:53] fagan, so are you back in 2011 now? [09:54] yeah [09:54] fagan, welcome to the future! [09:54] time travel is possible [09:54] fagan, we have a bugreport for that [09:54] rye: are there robots to do work for us yet? [09:55] ill try u1 again and see if it crashes [09:55] yeah you can close that bug it was just the time issue [09:56] I suppose u1 doesnt work in 2005 go figure [09:56] fagan, which is quite an interesting thing, i'll parse the similar bug reports to see whether their clocks have a significant offset [09:57] well mine went back to the manufacture date [09:57] id say the others did the same [09:57] fagan, if your laptop switches to 2005 again after being powered off and battery is removed then you may want to see whether there is a CMOS backup battery somewhere on the motherboard. It was quite interesting to see one in my laptop [09:58] rye: my computer's battery is broken and the charger is having issues id say thats what happened [09:58] and I replaced the CMOS battery back about 6 months ago when I got this laptop [09:58] since that was one of the many issues with it at the time [09:59] id say the computer is probably dying which happens to a lot of my stuff [09:59] fagan, well, that may explain the date issue [10:00] * fagan should be a hardware tester he would be able to stress test anything [10:01] fagan, my sister's laptop exhibited a quite interesting behavior. If you set a boot/bios config password and remove the battery then it gets cleared (while the clock keeps ticking). Great security [10:01] :) [10:01] at least I have a desktop to work on [10:01] so im not going to have any issues when im starting on the team [10:02] just I will have a personal lothing of a terrible laptop in my life :P [10:03] fagan, you know, a terrible laptop can spot terrible errors that Never Happen™ [10:03] rye: interesting point [10:04] well spotting every error is the dream [10:11] morning Chipaca [10:11] fagan: top of the morning! [10:50] hello Chipaca [10:51] Chipaca: did you write magicicada? [10:52] duanedesign: negative [10:53] duanedesign: joint project between facundobatista and nessita [10:53] aha [10:53] thank you sir. [10:53] duanedesign: why? [10:54] Chipaca: i am remaking one of my apps using quickly. There were a few bits they did in their that i liked. [10:55] duanedesign: if you have any quickly questions and no one is around in #quickly you can pm my btw [10:55] Chipaca: i am going to work on it again this morning. Thought I might have a couple questions about a few things they did :) [10:56] fagan: thank you. did not know about #quickly. I usually ask in #ubuntu-app-devel [10:57] duanedesign: im never in app-devel but the quickly channel is more dedicated so I always went there [10:58] duanedesign: speaking of the devil [10:58] fagan: are you shane? [10:59] duanedesign: yep [10:59] fagan: aha. :) [11:00] well I just presume there arent many people with my last name in the open source world [11:12] fagan: do you have a second for a quick PM? [11:12] duanedesign: sure im not doing anything [11:14] clarita: ping [11:16] mandel: pong [11:16] clarita: I'm done with the doc, I'll share it with you right now, do you want to talk about it now or later? [11:17] mandel: I'll have a read and let you know! [11:18] clarita: ok [11:18] clarita: it should be shared now, can you take a look [11:18] * mandel is useless with google docs... [11:20] mandel: google docs are on the road to greatness, but they are not there yet! [11:21] clarita: and I'm not very good at this things :P [11:21] clarita: I've tried to put as much info as I could, the UI is not frozen so we can change anything you might consider. [11:22] and right now there is nothing more that the default look, I'm sure you guys can make it nicer :) [11:22] mandel: thanks - will peruse and ping you when I have questions [11:30] rye: ping [11:31] duanedesign, pong [11:31] rye: hello rye. Hasn't there been some work on the latest version of U1 to address the conlicts? [11:32] rye: have a user that is getting conflicts. Was thinking of recommending the nightlies ppa [11:33] it is from a setup with only one computer attached to U1 account [11:36] duanedesign, yes, bug #718924 [11:36] Launchpad bug 718924 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "self conflict while saving the same file a lot (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 132)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718924 [11:37] duanedesign, just made it public, it's been sitting in private mode due to logs from the users [11:40] aha [11:43] rye: also I noticed when a user is on maverick and installs the PPA there are some/a package that is not getting pulled in on the update. Have you ran into this? [11:47] Good day everyone :) I'm back. [11:48] hello karni [11:48] hi duanedesign, how's life :)? [11:49] karni: not bad, not bad [11:50] I'm well rested (though a little bruised ;)) and equally suprized no new bugs where filed against U1F when I wasn't around. [11:52] wow thats lucky [11:53] you could always make new bugs if you want some [11:54] fagan: I don't believe that's what I want ;) I was just (happily) suprized the list didn't get longer, I wonder how's the app behaving at current stage. [11:55] * karni waves at beuno and CardinalFang o/ [11:55] so I need to catch up with the lingo what is U1F? I presume its the file sync [11:56] Ubuntu One Files (for Android), so you're right [11:56] fagan: you're a developer? [11:57] karni: oh you missed the announcement at the last meeting. Ill be starting as an intern this week on the port to windows [11:58] I havent tried the android u1 sync stuff yet since I dont have a premium account [11:59] fagan: oh nice, so you'll be working under mandel ? [11:59] yep [11:59] fagan: that's actually free stuff, but not yet released [11:59] oh I thought that that was under the premium [12:00] contacts and music streaming are part of the mobile plan. I have no further knowledge about the file sync free/paid plans. [12:00] Hi karni. :) Welcome aboard fagan - I presume that's Shane of ubuntu-ie fame? [12:00] still awesome [12:00] JamesTait: the very same [12:00] JamesTait: hello James Tait! :) [12:00] well fame is a subjective word [12:01] Now I feel bad for not knowing fagan before ;d [12:01] hah [12:01] Perhaps it was my leave that influenced that ;) [12:01] fagan: I don't think it gets better than the Ubuntu UK podcast. ;) [12:02] * popey hugs JamesTait [12:02] well uupc was just a little 5 min segment it wasnt exactly a full on interview :) [12:02] popey must have an alert on any time uupc is mentioned [12:02] JamesTait: is there any canonical-inside shell availalbe or ppl host their irc-sessions at some private/random locations? my friends server just died and I'm thinking of either setting my own or moving to paid host. [12:02] maybe ;) [12:03] duanedesign, re: package, hmmm, desktopcouch-related? [12:03] JamesTait: uh, I meant ssh shell access [12:03] hi rye ! [12:04] fagan: you're working on the windows port. Great! I can badger you about proxy support on the windows version now then. [12:04] karni: Hrm, not that I know of. Are you thinking of a bip proxy or similar? [12:04] karni, i can give you an access to the VPS i have... [12:04] karni, /me is jumping ahead of ralsina, because he has the same type of VPS :) [12:04] * rye definitely wants to get bip set up [12:05] rye: oh, you're too kind. unless you let me pay for the part, which I'd like to :)! [12:05] same here :P [12:05] popey: well I have less than a clue about proxy settings [12:05] JamesTait: I was thinking of a VPS at http://www.hetzner.de/ [12:06] karni, send me your public ssh key and the account will be ready in .. 5 minutes [12:06] rye: \o/ [12:06] karni, it is even ipv6-enabled [12:06] uuuu :> [12:07] AAAA, to be precise [12:07] :) [12:07] sweet [12:07] mandel, ralsina has sold you the VPS idea too? [12:08] rye: no, what is it? [12:09] " same here :P" - hmm [12:09] rye: I want the bip proxy, the VPS idea I have no clue about :) [12:09] rye: so no idea about the idea, I so want the proxy :P [12:09] mandel, i can give you the shell access too, PARTY MODE! [12:10] JamesTait: I just hoped on to see what's bip proxy. Sounds good, but I guess screen+irssi is all what I need :) [12:10] karni: screen ftw. \o/ [12:11] \o/ [12:11] rye: would be nice, I'll send you my ssh asap I get back from walking the dog [12:11] * fagan still needs to set up screen+irssi+ssh properly on his machine but is way too lazy [12:11] * mandel fears the dog will pee on the carpet... [12:11] fagan: If you're anything like me, you still have a dozen other, more fun things to do. ;) [12:13] JamesTait: well at the moment im contemplating playing call of duty [12:13] good morning everyone! [12:14] hello ralsina ! [12:14] hi karni [12:14] afternoon ralsina [12:14] Hey ralsina. :) [12:14] karni: if you want, I can just give you a user/password in my VPS :-) [12:14] mandel: same for you! [12:14] fagan: enjoy your contemplation as time will come short once you start hacking ;d [12:14] karni mandel: you'd have to use quassel though [12:14] ralsina: thank you! rye just set up an account for me [12:15] ralsina, :-P [12:15] * ralsina curses the damn timezone [12:15] karni: yeah ill be busy soon enough ill enjoy my time procrastinating [12:15] hi fagan: are you official yet? [12:15] ralsina: well official as in officially waiting on HR :) [12:16] but its just waiting on the contract [12:16] fagan: cool! [12:17] ralsina: there is a doc with the current UI implementation that clarita is taking a look at, I've shared with you too, so you can give feed back. The underlaying impl is a QWizard in case is useful info [12:17] should be ready and going tomorrow or the next day [12:17] * mandel walking dog [12:17] mandel: gotit [12:17] karni! hey hey! [12:17] JamesTait: you're responsible for canonicaladmin website as well? [12:18] beuno: hello there! how's it been when I wasn't around? [12:18] karni: Thankfully not. ;) [12:18] Hola beuno. :) [12:18] karni, boring, of course! ;) [12:18] JamesTait: right. you wouldn't mess up that footer so easily ;)! [12:18] karni, weren't you back tomorrow? [12:18] :D [12:18] * beuno waves at JamesTait [12:18] beuno: right, so I believe a totall opposite :D [12:19] beuno: yesterday evening, now getting around my stuff and preparing for the tomorrow :) [12:19] karni, \o/ [12:19] tomorrow, you go to the other side (tm) [12:20] what a win! \o/ I can't wait [12:21] beuno: by the way, now tell me how bad was U1F when I wasn't around! the bug list didn't grow any, so I believe you've been collecting some critique on the side :) [12:25] karni, no new bugs seemed to crop up, although there is a battery consumption bug to look into [12:25] I haven't file the bug since it's a bit handwavy [12:25] but we've seen a few times our phone's battery drain very quickly with auto-sync on [12:26] beuno: I will have a closer look at that. I'm also thinking whether giving as little as 5min period is a good idea, since it's not REST but all the connect+sync+90sec timeout [12:26] * beuno nods [12:26] beuno: I'm glad you noticed such detail, I'll definitely pay attention to that fact. [12:26] * fagan has an android and it drains quickly anyway so dreads to think of what the u1 sync would do [12:26] heh [12:27] fagan: it's a tricky thing [12:27] yeah is [12:27] this seemed to slash the battery in half, so pretty noticeable :) [12:28] uhh. that'd halve the rating on the market. nasty. [12:29] * fagan would give it 5 stars anyway :P [12:29] yeah, although we're still testing, so this is expected [12:30] fagan: I wish everybody did that heh ;] [12:30] fagan: So I have to make sure they will in the end. [12:31] karni, one of my theories about the battery drain is that it connects to wifi if its not on each sync [12:32] beuno: right. that's very probable (that's actually true, the radio is turned on if sleeping). there's a trick we could use (I was planning that anyway) [12:32] beuno: it's called inexact alarms, which you might know. it would start sync not exactly when it's supposed to, but more or less at that time. [12:33] whereas the interval is.. I believe from 15 min or 0.5 an hour up. that way, Android wakes up and [12:33] does what it needs to do one time for few apps, and then shuts down - thus, saving battery. [12:34] beuno: but good observation anyway, I'll see how flexible are inexact alarms and might implement it that way to further save the battery. we could even delay the sync on wifi to save it. [12:34] we'll get around that soon. [12:35] karni, perfect. [12:36] I'll be back later guys, need to do some after-travel errands. === teknico is now known as teknico_away [13:22] * mandel back [13:35] mandel: I've commented on the Google Doc [13:41] clarita: I cant comment on the doc since I dont have permission but I think just the u1 banner should be there [13:41] I think mandel has an issue with how many pictures he can embed [13:42] Yes, having the alert icon and the semaphore is not good [13:42] ralsina: yes it needs to be one or the other [13:42] fagan: you should be able to edit now [13:43] If we could combine them into one thing, it would be great, but having both means you have a huge "gren light" but the password iss till bad [13:43] ralsina: exactly - v confusing [13:43] mandel: oh cool [13:43] Maybe we could make the third light be "sso acceptable"? [13:43] oh docs you let me edit but not comment :) [13:44] ralsina, clarita: I agree, I just implemented it because it was in the wire-frames, no more [13:44] Or the first one [13:44] ralsina: mandel: exactly [13:44] ralsina: mandel: I think the SSO acceptability is the only one we need [13:45] fine by me, but you are breaking my sysadmin heart ;-) [13:45] ralsina: oh dear...:-/ [13:45] fagan: you cannot comment? bloody google docs... [13:45] You know half the psswords will be "password" :-) [13:46] mandel: yeah cant, funny [13:46] ralsina: let me think about how we could combine the two in some way [13:46] is the existing user bit not done yet? [13:46] well, more passworD9, you need a upper case and a numbe ;) [13:46] P4ssword :-) [13:47] hehe [13:47] anyway, SSO acceptability is ok, really, since the user can change it online using only that criteria [13:47] ralsina: mandel: how about the password complexity feedback only enables once the password format is adequate for SSO> [13:48] clarita: I'm completely open to any ideas as long as the will look good, the implementation is not too hard [13:48] no way [13:48] mandel clarita: let's keep it simple. I say just the warning [13:49] ralsina: mandel - ok I'll just update the wireframe design and let you know when that is done [13:49] rye: way? [13:49] ralsina, i am connected via bip, it has been telling me about auth failure for last 30 minutes [13:49] oh commenting is working yay [13:50] ah, i guess my message was in the middle of an argument :) [13:50] rye: hahaha [13:50] sorry people :) [13:50] rye: notice how I laugh in english so it doesn't look like I say yesyesyes ;-) [13:51] fagan: is weird, you should be able to comment, try the discussions button [13:52] mandel: its working now something must have clicked with docs when you gave me editing powers [13:52] or maybe you pressed a button here and there [13:52] either or [13:52] alecu nessita dobey mandel thisfred standup in 9'! [13:53] ack ack, 10-4, roger wilco [13:53] HUA [13:53] ralsina, yes, "jajaja" is so "yesyesyes" [13:54] jejeje [13:54] :P [13:54] or if you are a lady: jijiji [13:55] mandel: http://tinysong.com/#/share/ji ji ji/26366842 [13:55] ok, that URL really really sucks, tinysong! [13:55] hmmmm thats interesting there is no sign out in u1 on ubuntu I know the reason why but I just found it a bit strange when I looked at the control panel [13:55] mandel: so try http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/~/2YiDrZ?src=1 [13:56] * fagan was just looking at the cp just to make a mental note on the looks we should be going for [13:56] ralsina: Being dutch, jaja took me a while to get used to :). It sounds to me like someone saying "yes yes, now go away" [13:56] thisfred: well, we ARE saying that! ;-) [13:56] I KNEW it :) [13:57] or "hahaha you impudent monkey apes" [13:57] its all weird to me :) [13:58] apes are not monkeys! You worked at Ximian, and should know better :-) [13:58] i hope ubuntu narwhal works well on this new laptop [13:58] dobey: well I got a new desktop and its working perfect on it [13:58] ralsina: clearly you didn't get the joke/insult :) [13:58] if thats any help :P [13:59] fagan: workstation [13:59] ubuntu is not yet installable to furniture [13:59] dobey: I have this problem where I refuse to feel insulted, so that happens all the time. [13:59] oook [13:59] dobey: potato/tomato [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] fagan: the old gods are dead. :) [14:00] dobey: actually if you were looking at CES there is a table running ubuntu with a touch top [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] whats with this me talk? [14:00] fagan, it's called a standup [14:01] the "me" sets the order [14:01] desktop+ [sic] standup [sic] [14:01] oh meeting [14:01] last one to say "me" has to get the donuts [14:01] thisfred: and then eat the donuts since there's noone from the team in the next 2000 miles [14:01] except for me and alecu [14:01] That's why I was last :) [14:02] thisfred: i wish there was a krispy kreme closer [14:02] ralsina: shall we? [14:02] nessita: please! [14:02] DONE: holidays, PyCon USA, started working on bug #709494 [14:02] TODO: propose branch for #709494 when the SSO bits are in production (waiting for deploy). Catch up with email (yeah right). String freeze discussion with ralsina. Define new schedule to accommodate teaching duties. [14:02] BLOCKED: nopes [14:02] NEXT: ralsina [14:02] Launchpad bug 709494 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Missing user's name field (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709494 [14:02] ralsina: well urbanape is 1 hr from me, and thisfred is about 3-5 hours depending on ridiculous dc area traffic [14:02] dobey: friday I walked 30 minutes to the nearest *dunkin*. I don't know of any KK in Bmore [14:02] * fagan sits in to see whats up [14:02] * JamesTait tucks into his last stroopwafel. [14:02] OOOOH [14:03] DONE: reviews, talked with possible contractors, misc stuff [14:03] TODO: send mail to invite testing, several calls, evaluations [14:03] BLOCKED: no [14:03] dobey? [14:03] λ DONE: started codec installer branch, releases/uploads, booked full taem sprint travel, bought new laptop [14:03] λ TODO: bug #733327 [14:03] mandel: you [14:03] I have someone that shared a directory with me on his ubuntu one account.. I've also shared one with him. He cannot see the one that I shared.. What are we doing wrong? [14:03] λ BLCK: None. [14:03] DONE: More SSO UI. Wrote a doc with the current implementation so that clarita can hurt my feelings ;) [14:03] Launchpad bug 733327 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Notify user of missing MP3 support (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733327 [14:03] TODO: More UI, clean the code a little. Check if gettext hack works well. Hunt for reviews on windows branches. [14:03] BLOCKED: no [14:03] thisfred, go! [14:03] * DONE remove (dis)connection notifications http://pad.lv/734895 http://pad.lv/737150 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-737150/+merge/53989 [14:03]