| scott-work | i'm baaaaaaack :) | 11:46 |
|---|---|---|
| falktx | hey | 11:46 |
| scott-work | abogani: either this afternoon or tomorrow's i will begin again with the -lowlatency kernel | 11:46 |
| scott-work | abogani: i believe i have to correct the version number and use the tilde "~" in lieu of the dash or minus sign to correct what i had done | 11:47 |
| scott-work | hi falktx, how are you? | 11:47 |
| scott-work | ailo, paultag: i'm guessing that the -controls update isn't going to happen for natty | 11:47 |
| scott-work | i'll talk to luke about getting it out of natty unless someone has a very strong objection | 11:48 |
| falktx | scott-work: good, I'm working on rt-kernel drivers again (nvidia should be working by now) | 11:48 |
| falktx | scott-work: what about cadence? | 11:48 |
| scott-work | ailo, paultag: the good news is that we have _plenty_ of time to get the -lowlatency kernel in the repository now for natty+1 (ocelette ?) for the -controls update | 11:48 |
| falktx | scott-work: I can work really hard on it, if you promise me it will be included in US | 11:48 |
| scott-work | falktx: i don't know at this point, i'll need to refresh my knowledge of cadence lately | 11:49 |
| falktx | scott-work: http://repo.or.cz/w/cadence.git | 11:50 |
| scott-work | falktx: i have seen screenshots from before, but that was probably three months ago and i think you've been working on it pretty heavy during that time | 11:50 |
| scott-work | heh, you, ailo, and abogani are going to drag me kicking and screaming into the 21 century with 'git' | 11:50 |
| falktx | hehe | 11:51 |
| falktx | scott-work: the GUIs itself don't change much, but there was a lot of bug-fixing | 11:51 |
| scott-work | i got pretty comfortable with bzr and so i didn't really worry about learning more about git, but apparently the rest of the world doesn't revolve around ubuntu :P | 11:52 |
| scott-work | falktx: cool | 11:52 |
| falktx | scott-work: you should just try them | 11:52 |
| falktx | git clone git://repo.or.cz/cadence.git | 11:52 |
| falktx | make | 11:52 |
| scott-work | falktx: probably next week i'll look at it, but we need to also see how this contrasts with what ailo and paul have been doing | 11:52 |
| falktx | scott-work: yep, I'll be here waiting | 11:53 |
| scott-work | okay, thanks falktx for the instructions :) you've just increase the chances i'll succeed dramatically | 11:53 |
| falktx | lol | 11:53 |
| scott-work | actually i'm starting to get git | 11:53 |
| scott-work | heh, i made a funny | 11:53 |
| scott-work | hi holstein :) | 11:54 |
| falktx | scott-work: build depends: python-qt4-devel pyqt4-dev-tools ladspa-sdk dssi-dev libasound2-dev | 11:54 |
| falktx | scott-work: runtime depends: libjack0 python-rdflib python-qt4-dbus python-qt4-gl jack-capture | 11:54 |
| falktx | scott-work: my patchbay can now use GL for rendering | 11:55 |
| ailo | falktx, I think paultags idea was to make a controls application that was pluginable | 12:10 |
| falktx | ailo: extensions to the control app? | 12:10 |
| falktx | hm... | 12:10 |
| ailo | falktx, My app so far was just a hack that was intended for Natty only | 12:10 |
| ailo | falktx, So, my idea was to make something like an indicator app called ubuntustudio-controls, and then let any app that wants to act as a plugin be called utc--<name>. That could be anything, like qjackctl. | 12:12 |
| ailo | falktx, Main part of it would be a system preferences plugin | 12:12 |
| ailo | falktx, But, I haven't really started coding anything yet. | 12:13 |
| falktx | ailo: that gives me some ideas... | 12:13 |
| ailo | falktx, I was going to use GTK, but I don't have any problems with QT, though I don't see why the two couldn't be mixed, even. | 12:14 |
| falktx | i would prefer qt | 12:14 |
| falktx | qt plays nice with gtk, but gtk does not play nice with qt/kde | 12:14 |
| scott-work | the new kernel patch that improves performance in the stock kernel is apparently in Ubuntu and Fedora : http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/222185/speedy_wonder_patch_debuts_in_new_linux_kernel.html | 12:15 |
| scott-work | this might seem ignorant or niave but i wonder if which kernel version it will be in and if we will see any performance boosts for latencies | 12:16 |
| ailo | falktx, I really have too little experience with QT and KDE to know the difference. I guess there could be two versions of a main app, if done the way I propose | 12:16 |
| scott-work | i realize it's in 2.6.38 mind you, just not what dot verison | 12:16 |
| ailo | falktx, One nice thing would be that the indicator icon could be activated by any plugin, like go red for xruns, or go yellow for system warnings and so on. | 12:17 |
| ailo | scott-work, It should be in all of them, though it might not be activated | 12:17 |
| falktx | ailo: that could be a specific app | 12:18 |
| ailo | scott-work, As far as I have been able to tell, it makes it easier to watch Youtube while compiling from source. | 12:18 |
| falktx | ailo: I already have some tools, your idea is good for a new one | 12:18 |
| falktx | ailo: lol, compiling and watching videos | 12:18 |
| scott-work | ailo: well then, that's a success! we should make a advert for ubuntu studio and tell everyone how good this kernel is | 12:19 |
| scott-work | just kidding :P | 12:19 |
| ailo | scott-work, I'm sure I'm missing something. The link you posted seems to adress other enhancements too. | 12:20 |
| ailo | Ah, he quit. I was just trying out Cadence | 12:33 |
| ailo | falktx, Was just trying Cadence | 12:37 |
| ailo | falktx, On Natty. Perhaps easier on another system? | 12:38 |
| ailo | falktx, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.jackaudio.service was not provided by any .service files | 12:38 |
| falktx | ailo: you need to use jackdbus, not jackd | 12:39 |
| ailo | falktx, Ok. | 12:39 |
| falktx | ailo: please stop jackd and restart the app | 12:39 |
| * falktx will soon remove jackd support from his jack2 PPA package | 12:39 | |
| ailo | falktx, Why jackdbus only? I must be missing some packages. I was able to start cadence, and start jack, but not configure. All other options were grayed out | 12:42 |
| falktx | ailo: cadence itself is the most poor app | 12:43 |
| falktx | ailo: try other tools like catia, claudia, carla, xycontroller | 12:43 |
| falktx | still no readme in there though | 12:43 |
| falktx | for 'carla' (the plugin host), run 'make carla' first | 12:43 |
| falktx | ^ not build by default, still very unstable | 12:43 |
| ailo | falktx, Ok. About Cadence, I find the window is too large for my little screen. I would hide some options in an advanced tab, while keeping only the essential stuff on the main page. | 12:44 |
| falktx | yep, todo soon | 12:45 |
| scott-work | ailo: do you still advocate removing -controls from natty? | 13:00 |
| ailo | scott-work, Yes. How about earlier releases? I think on Lucid, only firewire settings are right. | 13:01 |
| ailo | scott-work, While 10.10 should be all wrong, just like 11.04. | 13:02 |
| scott-work | i'm not sure at this point, i'll need to talk to someone about what/how to do things | 13:02 |
| scott-work | obviously i would like to make sure natty is correct first since it's not released yet | 13:02 |
| scott-work | secondly, i think we should evaluate for the last LTS verison (lucid) | 13:03 |
| ailo | scott-work, It would have nice to update those. At least make sure on Lucid that app edits the right file. That should be easy enought to do | 13:03 |
| scott-work | right | 13:03 |
| ailo | scott-work, It would just mean editing one line or so in the source code | 13:03 |
| scott-work | and i'm least worried about 10.10 - if we ignored it or sent an email to the mailing list then i wouldn't loose sleep | 13:04 |
| scott-work | i'll start talking to luke later today about going forward then for information and see if he would be agreeable to remove -controls for natty then | 13:04 |
| ailo | scott-work, There are at least two other apps that are not needed. Both PA related | 13:05 |
| ailo | scott-work, I have to double check, though | 13:05 |
| ailo | scott-work, Since I use Ubuntu mainly, I seem to forge Ubuntustudio Desktop functions differently | 13:05 |
| scott-work | ailo: okay | 13:05 |
| ailo | scott-work, What's the deal with wireless? Would network-manager still add any problems to Ubuntustudio? I hear it is less then before. Don't know about firewire | 13:07 |
| scott-work | ailo: are you experiencing problems with wireless? | 13:07 |
| scott-work | ailo: i expected less problems with network-manager than the previous gnome-network-admin | 13:08 |
| scott-work | to clarify: i expect less complaints about getting wireless working with network-manager | 13:08 |
| ailo | scott-work, Not really. My wireless driver may be bad, but I don't think network-manager is causing whatever problems I have. | 13:09 |
| scott-work | however, i also wouldn't be surprised if someone complained that using network-manager increased intermittent xruns | 13:09 |
| ailo | scott-work, I haven't had any problems with network-manager. Doesn't many audio distros include that? If we investigate that, perhaps we could consider adding it to the mix? | 13:13 |
| scott-work | ailo: we already include network-manager as a replacement for gnome-network-admin | 13:14 |
| scott-work | many, many users complained about gnome-network-admin being difficult to set up wireless during installation (and post-installation for that matter) | 13:15 |
| scott-work | effectively, many users simply couldn't use wireless directly after installation | 13:15 |
| scott-work | they would have to use the DVD as a repository and install network-manager which had been included on disc but not installed | 13:16 |
| ailo | scott-work, I was just trying Lucid. You mean since then, it is much easier? | 13:16 |
| scott-work | or download network-manager or one of the other managers and put it onto their machine | 13:16 |
| scott-work | ailo: natty is the first one to include network manager | 13:16 |
| ailo | scott-work, Ok. Good. Then that is already decided. | 13:16 |
| ailo | Or, perhaps an app could be created on which ubuntustudio-controls could be a plugin. | 13:32 |
| scott-work | ailo: i'm not sure i understand your defintion of 'plugin' in this instance | 13:33 |
| scott-work | do you mean for previous version of ubuntustudio or for going forward | 13:33 |
| scott-work | and what use case would you need this | 13:33 |
| ailo | scott-work, Some of the many ideas that have been for ubuntustudio-controls could perhaps be divided into different applications. It would make it easy for users to find all of that from an indicator menu. | 13:35 |
| ailo | scott-work, The main use for ubuntustudio-controls is to help users adjust their system | 13:35 |
| holstein | o/ | 13:36 |
| ailo | Whatever is done on top of that, could be made into "plugin" that you can install, and add to that menu, if you want | 13:36 |
| ailo | I'm not of the opinion that we should add session management, and PA jack bridge as default components of ubuntustudio-controls. I am not against including those as options. Exactly how that should be categorized, divided into apps or menus and tabs, I don't know. | 13:40 |
| ailo | scott-work, A plugin could be as simple as just including an application starter in a menu. At least, I think it would be nice for some apps, like a jack control app, to change the icon color for xruns and so on. | 13:44 |
| ailo | I'm just throwing ideas around at this point, and I was meaning to start working on a new ubuntustudio-controls, based on the work I did so far, but turning it into an indicator app. Also, I would want to include options for checking the system at startup, as my script did. | 13:46 |
| scott-work | ailo: okay, i think i start to understand | 13:46 |
| scott-work | -controls would provide the framework and the indicator menu in the panel | 13:46 |
| scott-work | and as the plugins are installed they are available in the indicator menu | 13:47 |
| scott-work | i like the concept :) | 13:47 |
| falktx | back | 14:24 |
| === falktx__ is now known as falktx | ||
| holstein | scott-work: boing | 19:18 |
| holstein | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/739628?comments=all | 19:18 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 739628 in Ubuntu Studio "STUDIO could do with an Ethernet OK ICON and the System should check "Ethernet OK", more often." [Undecided,New] | 19:18 |
| holstein | could you or someone look at that | 19:18 |
| scott-work | looking | 19:18 |
| holstein | and mark it 'wishlist' if you agree | 19:18 |
| scott-work | we are including network-manager with natty now, which is what ubuntu desktop uses | 19:20 |
| holstein | scott-work: COOL | 19:20 |
| scott-work | and i think it has a pretty good network icon already | 19:20 |
| holstein | i'll re-comment there on the bug | 19:20 |
| scott-work | so this may not be an issue then | 19:20 |
| holstein | nah, that'll totally do it | 19:21 |
| scott-work | you might wait to comment until we verify it in natty | 19:21 |
| holstein | scott-work: maybe mark it fixed | 19:21 |
| holstein | scott-work: OK | 19:21 |
| scott-work | i say that because we do funny things with the panel with the icon set, etc | 19:21 |
| scott-work | well not "funny" but idfferent | 19:21 |
| scott-work | different | 19:21 |
| holstein | not funny = haha | 19:21 |
| scott-work | so i would like to make sure it beheaves like expected, i'll do that tonight while i'm working on the -lowlatency kernel | 19:22 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!