[11:46] i'm baaaaaaack :) [11:46] hey [11:46] abogani: either this afternoon or tomorrow's i will begin again with the -lowlatency kernel [11:47] abogani: i believe i have to correct the version number and use the tilde "~" in lieu of the dash or minus sign to correct what i had done [11:47] hi falktx, how are you? [11:47] ailo, paultag: i'm guessing that the -controls update isn't going to happen for natty [11:48] i'll talk to luke about getting it out of natty unless someone has a very strong objection [11:48] scott-work: good, I'm working on rt-kernel drivers again (nvidia should be working by now) [11:48] scott-work: what about cadence? [11:48] ailo, paultag: the good news is that we have _plenty_ of time to get the -lowlatency kernel in the repository now for natty+1 (ocelette ?) for the -controls update [11:48] scott-work: I can work really hard on it, if you promise me it will be included in US [11:49] falktx: i don't know at this point, i'll need to refresh my knowledge of cadence lately [11:50] scott-work: http://repo.or.cz/w/cadence.git [11:50] falktx: i have seen screenshots from before, but that was probably three months ago and i think you've been working on it pretty heavy during that time [11:50] heh, you, ailo, and abogani are going to drag me kicking and screaming into the 21 century with 'git' [11:51] hehe [11:51] scott-work: the GUIs itself don't change much, but there was a lot of bug-fixing [11:52] i got pretty comfortable with bzr and so i didn't really worry about learning more about git, but apparently the rest of the world doesn't revolve around ubuntu :P [11:52] falktx: cool [11:52] scott-work: you should just try them [11:52] git clone git://repo.or.cz/cadence.git [11:52] make [11:52] falktx: probably next week i'll look at it, but we need to also see how this contrasts with what ailo and paul have been doing [11:53] scott-work: yep, I'll be here waiting [11:53] okay, thanks falktx for the instructions :) you've just increase the chances i'll succeed dramatically [11:53] lol [11:53] actually i'm starting to get git [11:53] heh, i made a funny [11:54] hi holstein :) [11:54] scott-work: build depends: python-qt4-devel pyqt4-dev-tools ladspa-sdk dssi-dev libasound2-dev [11:54] scott-work: runtime depends: libjack0 python-rdflib python-qt4-dbus python-qt4-gl jack-capture [11:55] scott-work: my patchbay can now use GL for rendering [12:10] falktx, I think paultags idea was to make a controls application that was pluginable [12:10] ailo: extensions to the control app? [12:10] hm... [12:10] falktx, My app so far was just a hack that was intended for Natty only [12:12] falktx, So, my idea was to make something like an indicator app called ubuntustudio-controls, and then let any app that wants to act as a plugin be called utc--. That could be anything, like qjackctl. [12:12] falktx, Main part of it would be a system preferences plugin [12:13] falktx, But, I haven't really started coding anything yet. [12:13] ailo: that gives me some ideas... [12:14] falktx, I was going to use GTK, but I don't have any problems with QT, though I don't see why the two couldn't be mixed, even. [12:14] i would prefer qt [12:14] qt plays nice with gtk, but gtk does not play nice with qt/kde [12:15] the new kernel patch that improves performance in the stock kernel is apparently in Ubuntu and Fedora : http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/222185/speedy_wonder_patch_debuts_in_new_linux_kernel.html [12:16] this might seem ignorant or niave but i wonder if which kernel version it will be in and if we will see any performance boosts for latencies [12:16] falktx, I really have too little experience with QT and KDE to know the difference. I guess there could be two versions of a main app, if done the way I propose [12:16] i realize it's in 2.6.38 mind you, just not what dot verison [12:17] falktx, One nice thing would be that the indicator icon could be activated by any plugin, like go red for xruns, or go yellow for system warnings and so on. [12:17] scott-work, It should be in all of them, though it might not be activated [12:18] ailo: that could be a specific app [12:18] scott-work, As far as I have been able to tell, it makes it easier to watch Youtube while compiling from source. [12:18] ailo: I already have some tools, your idea is good for a new one [12:18] ailo: lol, compiling and watching videos [12:19] ailo: well then, that's a success! we should make a advert for ubuntu studio and tell everyone how good this kernel is [12:19] just kidding :P [12:20] scott-work, I'm sure I'm missing something. The link you posted seems to adress other enhancements too. [12:33] Ah, he quit. I was just trying out Cadence [12:37] falktx, Was just trying Cadence [12:38] falktx, On Natty. Perhaps easier on another system? [12:38] falktx, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.jackaudio.service was not provided by any .service files [12:39] ailo: you need to use jackdbus, not jackd [12:39] falktx, Ok. [12:39] ailo: please stop jackd and restart the app [12:39] * falktx will soon remove jackd support from his jack2 PPA package [12:42] falktx, Why jackdbus only? I must be missing some packages. I was able to start cadence, and start jack, but not configure. All other options were grayed out [12:43] ailo: cadence itself is the most poor app [12:43] ailo: try other tools like catia, claudia, carla, xycontroller [12:43] still no readme in there though [12:43] for 'carla' (the plugin host), run 'make carla' first [12:43] ^ not build by default, still very unstable [12:44] falktx, Ok. About Cadence, I find the window is too large for my little screen. I would hide some options in an advanced tab, while keeping only the essential stuff on the main page. [12:45] yep, todo soon [13:00] ailo: do you still advocate removing -controls from natty? [13:01] scott-work, Yes. How about earlier releases? I think on Lucid, only firewire settings are right. [13:02] scott-work, While 10.10 should be all wrong, just like 11.04. [13:02] i'm not sure at this point, i'll need to talk to someone about what/how to do things [13:02] obviously i would like to make sure natty is correct first since it's not released yet [13:03] secondly, i think we should evaluate for the last LTS verison (lucid) [13:03] scott-work, It would have nice to update those. At least make sure on Lucid that app edits the right file. That should be easy enought to do [13:03] right [13:03] scott-work, It would just mean editing one line or so in the source code [13:04] and i'm least worried about 10.10 - if we ignored it or sent an email to the mailing list then i wouldn't loose sleep [13:04] i'll start talking to luke later today about going forward then for information and see if he would be agreeable to remove -controls for natty then [13:05] scott-work, There are at least two other apps that are not needed. Both PA related [13:05] scott-work, I have to double check, though [13:05] scott-work, Since I use Ubuntu mainly, I seem to forge Ubuntustudio Desktop functions differently [13:05] ailo: okay [13:07] scott-work, What's the deal with wireless? Would network-manager still add any problems to Ubuntustudio? I hear it is less then before. Don't know about firewire [13:07] ailo: are you experiencing problems with wireless? [13:08] ailo: i expected less problems with network-manager than the previous gnome-network-admin [13:08] to clarify: i expect less complaints about getting wireless working with network-manager [13:09] scott-work, Not really. My wireless driver may be bad, but I don't think network-manager is causing whatever problems I have. [13:09] however, i also wouldn't be surprised if someone complained that using network-manager increased intermittent xruns [13:13] scott-work, I haven't had any problems with network-manager. Doesn't many audio distros include that? If we investigate that, perhaps we could consider adding it to the mix? [13:14] ailo: we already include network-manager as a replacement for gnome-network-admin [13:15] many, many users complained about gnome-network-admin being difficult to set up wireless during installation (and post-installation for that matter) [13:15] effectively, many users simply couldn't use wireless directly after installation [13:16] they would have to use the DVD as a repository and install network-manager which had been included on disc but not installed [13:16] scott-work, I was just trying Lucid. You mean since then, it is much easier? [13:16] or download network-manager or one of the other managers and put it onto their machine [13:16] ailo: natty is the first one to include network manager [13:16] scott-work, Ok. Good. Then that is already decided. [13:32] Or, perhaps an app could be created on which ubuntustudio-controls could be a plugin. [13:33] ailo: i'm not sure i understand your defintion of 'plugin' in this instance [13:33] do you mean for previous version of ubuntustudio or for going forward [13:33] and what use case would you need this [13:35] scott-work, Some of the many ideas that have been for ubuntustudio-controls could perhaps be divided into different applications. It would make it easy for users to find all of that from an indicator menu. [13:35] scott-work, The main use for ubuntustudio-controls is to help users adjust their system [13:36] o/ [13:36] Whatever is done on top of that, could be made into "plugin" that you can install, and add to that menu, if you want [13:40] I'm not of the opinion that we should add session management, and PA jack bridge as default components of ubuntustudio-controls. I am not against including those as options. Exactly how that should be categorized, divided into apps or menus and tabs, I don't know. [13:44] scott-work, A plugin could be as simple as just including an application starter in a menu. At least, I think it would be nice for some apps, like a jack control app, to change the icon color for xruns and so on. [13:46] I'm just throwing ideas around at this point, and I was meaning to start working on a new ubuntustudio-controls, based on the work I did so far, but turning it into an indicator app. Also, I would want to include options for checking the system at startup, as my script did. [13:46] ailo: okay, i think i start to understand [13:46] -controls would provide the framework and the indicator menu in the panel [13:47] and as the plugins are installed they are available in the indicator menu [13:47] i like the concept :) [14:24] back === falktx__ is now known as falktx [19:18] scott-work: boing [19:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/739628?comments=all [19:18] Ubuntu bug 739628 in Ubuntu Studio "STUDIO could do with an Ethernet OK ICON and the System should check "Ethernet OK", more often." [Undecided,New] [19:18] could you or someone look at that [19:18] looking [19:18] and mark it 'wishlist' if you agree [19:20] we are including network-manager with natty now, which is what ubuntu desktop uses [19:20] scott-work: COOL [19:20] and i think it has a pretty good network icon already [19:20] i'll re-comment there on the bug [19:20] so this may not be an issue then [19:21] nah, that'll totally do it [19:21] you might wait to comment until we verify it in natty [19:21] scott-work: maybe mark it fixed [19:21] scott-work: OK [19:21] i say that because we do funny things with the panel with the icon set, etc [19:21] well not "funny" but idfferent [19:21] different [19:21] not funny = haha [19:22] so i would like to make sure it beheaves like expected, i'll do that tonight while i'm working on the -lowlatency kernel