[00:09] <lucas-arg> hey guys, i need some help with gtk apps... cant make then use kde theme...
[00:09] <lucas-arg> any ideas where i can find oxygen-gtk or molecule or whatever...
[00:14] <lucas-arg> bump
[00:14] <lucas-arg> any ideas?
[00:19] <lucas-arg> mannnnnnnnnn its hard
[00:49] <test_> gang whats up? I have a question about gwibber alternatives in kde or is it cool to just use gwibber itself?
[00:56] <valorie> you can use gwibber if you like
[00:56] <valorie> gtk apps work just fine in Kub.
[00:56] <nerdy_kid> test_: I'd just use gwibber, now with oxygen-gtk you cant tell the difference between gtk and qt apps anyway...
[00:57] <test_> nerdy_kid thanks. it works better in kde than it does in gnome it seems hehe
[00:57] <valorie> lol
[00:57] <test_> okay one more question.... Why does wubi not like windows 7?
[00:58] <nerdy_kid> test_: how does it not like it?
[00:58] <nerdy_kid> I usually dont go wubi cause the ntfs drivers really gobble CPU
[00:59] <test_> nerdy_kid every time I have tried to install it  python installer crashes with like 50 errors. Every single time.
[00:59] <test_> nerdy_kid It goes on disk just fine after restart it goes crazy
[01:00] <nerdy_kid> test_: hmm idk, wubi has always been cooperative for the few times that I've used it.  Maybe post some of the errors?
[01:00] <test_> nerdy_kid i cant it will not even boot to desktop
[01:00] <test_> :(
[01:01] <nerdy_kid> hmm, does the plymouth splash show?
[01:01] <test_> No. No splash
[01:01] <nerdy_kid> ok, so windows 7  starts up like normal, as if you didnt install anything?
[01:01] <test_> nerdy_kid i would insmulti touchtall directly but i like my
[01:02] <test_> multi touch
[01:02] <nerdy_kid> sorry didn't get that
[01:02] <test_> nerdy_kid it goes to boot loader but selecting kub results in python throwing a lot of errors.
[01:03] <test_> nerdy_kid the majority of the errors have to do with install.py
[01:04] <nerdy_kid> test_: hmm, honestly though, why not just do a full install?  I've done 4 or 5 in the last 3 months and its really simple
[01:04] <nerdy_kid> youll get full speed too, unlike wubi
[01:04] <test_> I just dont get it. if I could copy and paste or screen capture i would post the errors but i cant even get that
[01:04] <test_> not full installing because i use my multitouch way too much
[01:05] <nerdy_kid> oh ok, and multitouch doesnt work with Ubuntu.  I would double check that btw, their is a special config app in the software center for touchpads
[01:05] <test_> nerdy_kid i am not sure how kde handles multi-touch screens with active digitizers
[01:06] <test_> nerdy_kid do you know what that config app is called by chance?
[01:07] <test_> nerdy_kid mine is not a slate its a convertible
[01:07] <nerdy_kid> yeah, one sec -- the touchpad app is in systemsettings by default with Maverick, but there is a touch screen module too
[01:08] <test_> nerdy_kid i can run kub from usb without difficulty but would rather not do it that way either
[01:10] <nerdy_kid> test_: ok the screen config is kde-config-tablet.  I'm not sure how well multitouch works, but I would give it a quick run off of USB to see if the touch screen works at all
[01:11] <test_> nerdy_kid thanks for your time
[01:11] <nerdy_kid> np, I don't know what to make of the install.py error though, sorry. Like I said, Id just give it a test drive off of the USB and then install in directly on the HDD if everything works.  You can install it side by side with win7, so it wont be much different then a wubi install.
[01:12] <nerdy_kid> alright, I'm off to bed.  Good luck!
[03:26] <ecinx3> how do i prevent the mouse wheel from changing desktops. it is getting annoying everytime i  scroll my desktops change
[03:32] <naturalpsychic> @ecinx3 install ubuntu tweak
[03:33] <ecinx3> i don't know what that is
[03:34] <ecinx3> I searched for it in synaptic i got 1 result,  ltsp gui management
[03:34] <naturalpsychic> no goto UBUNTU SOFTWARE CENTRE and type in search
[03:35] <ecinx3> i got 2 results, same as synaptic + a hex editor
[03:36] <naturalpsychic> why are you doing in in synaptic package manager?
[03:36] <ecinx3> i have kubuntu
[03:37] <ecinx3> if i know the name i would just apt-get install fooapp
[03:37] <naturalpsychic> install it from here
[03:37] <naturalpsychic> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[03:39] <naturalpsychic> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak
[03:41] <ecinx3> thx ill check it later
[04:13] <c2tarun> can anyone please name me any applicatio for recovering deleted files?
[04:16] <naturalpsychic> what os u using?
[04:16] <naturalpsychic> kubuntu?
[04:16] <c2tarun> naturalpsychic: kubuntu 10.10
[04:18] <naturalpsychic> @c2tarun: i wont be able to answer, someone else might, try asking
[04:20] <sasoritattoo> hi
[04:21] <sasoritattoo> hehe,i'm a freshman
[04:25] <naturalpsychic> @sasoritattoo welcome
[04:25] <sasoritattoo> Thank you!
[04:26] <sasoritattoo> 你能看懂汉语吗
[04:33] <Daskreech> ecinx3: what  shell are you running?
[04:33] <Andrestbn> Hola
[04:34] <Andrestbn> Hello
[04:34] <ecinx3> plasma
[04:34] <sasoritattoo> welcom
[04:34] <Daskreech> ecinx3: and mouse wheel changes the desktop?
[04:34] <Daskreech> hi sasoritattoo
[04:35] <Daskreech> Hello Andrestbn
[04:35] <ecinx3> at times, yes.
[04:35] <Daskreech> ecinx3: what versin of KDE?
[04:36] <ecinx3> 4.6.1
[04:36] <ecinx3> it's usually the behavior when I hover the taskbar but sometimes i'm not even there and it happesn
[04:40] <Daskreech> ecinx3: Desktop settings -> Mouse actions
[04:40] <sasoritattoo> Maybe...
[04:41] <sasoritattoo> Sorry, i don't know
[04:41] <ecinx3> I don't see desktop settings
[04:41] <Daskreech> ecinx3: right click on the desktop
[04:41] <ecinx3> oh, lol
[04:44] <ecinx3> another question.
[04:44] <ecinx3> how come everytime i restart i have to set up my monitor again
[04:44] <ecinx3> i have two monitors
[05:09] <areichman> ecinx3: sounds like you're running KDE SC 4.5, which is what came with kubuntu 10.10
[05:09] <areichman> it wasn't until 4.6 that saving the settings of multiple monitors was done
[05:09] <areichman> I hated that, too, until I upgraded to 4.6
[05:11] <ecinx3> it says 4.6 but i just did dist-upgrade not too long ago, i havent' restarted yet though
[05:11] <ecinx3> thanks for the heads up areichman
[05:41] <areichman> ecinx3: no problem. If you are in 4.6, in system settings, under multiple monitors, on the bottom, you have to hit 'save configuration' or something like that. Just applying a configuration won't save it
[05:42] <Chr|s> how do I share a wifi connection, with the nic, connected to the router, so ppl can connect to it
[05:44] <ecinx3> I don't have such option
[05:45] <areichman> ecinx3: I'm running 4.6.1 and at the bottom of hte Display & Monitor section of system settings is a 'Save as Default' box
[05:46] <areichman> I had to hit that before it would save the settings for both my monitors
[05:46] <ecinx3> I don't have that option
[05:46] <ecinx3> maybe when i restart the next time
[05:46] <areichman> maybe. Good luck
[05:47] <ecinx3> actually i do have save as default
[05:47] <ecinx3> under size & orientation, but not under multiple monitors
[05:47] <areichman> right, that's where I was. I wasn't explaning well
[06:32] <naturalpsychic> test
[06:32] <nigelb> fail
[06:32] <naturalpsychic> hahaa
[06:32] <naturalpsychic> successful
[10:38] <livingdaylight> hi
[10:39] <livingdaylight> installing ubuntu on laptop but having issues at partition section because I want to save the windows partition.
[10:47] <livingdaylight> installing ubuntu on laptop but having issues at partition section because I want to save the windows partition.
[10:53] <livingdaylight> wow, this room is ded?
[10:53] <livingdaylight> absolutely DED
[11:05] <Peace-> livingdaylight: ?
[11:11] <livingdaylight> Peace-, maybe its coz once people have kubuntu installed there are no issues- hence the room is just quiet, lol
[11:11] <Peace-> :)
[11:11] <livingdaylight> Peace-, is there a recommended sequence to creating partitions? swap first or at the end, then / and /home etc?
[11:12] <Peace-> there is not reccomended sequence
[11:12] <Peace-> you can do what you want...
[11:12] <Peace-> well ... i will use this anyway
[11:12] <Peace->  / 10 15 gig
[11:12] <Peace->  /home 100gig
[11:12] <Peace-> 2 3 gig for /swap
[11:13] <livingdaylight> i have 80gb hd - half of my 160gb hd . Other half is windows
[11:13] <Peace-> so create thsi
[11:13] <Peace-> 15 gig for the system ... it even too much anyway..
[11:13] <Peace-> i guess 12 should be enought
[11:14] <Tm_T> ...that doesn't leave much room for playing around though
[11:14] <Peace-> livingdaylight: how much ram do you have?
[11:14] <livingdaylight> 2.5
[11:14] <Peace-> create 2.5 of swap
[11:14] <livingdaylight> really? I thought swap was half?
[11:14] <Peace-> Tm_T: natty compiled a lots of stuff 10.1 gig used
[11:15] <Peace-> livingdaylight: suspend will save the section on the swap
[11:15] <Peace-> i guess
[11:15] <Peace-> so few swap = no resume
[11:15] <Peace-> *no suspend
[11:27] <livingdaylight> it is installing now. Installer crashed first time, but seems to be running now. Fingers crossed
[11:27] <livingdaylight> Peace-, I attributed 2.5 gb swap
[11:28] <livingdaylight> I been using gnome for the last few years, so, I hope I can live with kde :p
[11:29] <Peace-> livingdaylight: read this then
[11:29] <Peace-> livingdaylight: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/usefull-link-for-kubuntu-and-multimedia-stuff/what-you-would-want-to-do-on-startup-multimedia-side/
[11:31] <livingdaylight> Peace-, thanks
[11:44] <livingdaylight> kubuntu crash again, shux
[11:45] <iliyan> what crashed :)
[11:48] <livingdaylight> iliyan, the installer
[11:49] <livingdaylight> after dl, nearly all files
[11:49] <iliyan> what version is that ?
[11:50] <Peace-> livingdaylight: ok use the alternate iso then
[11:50] <livingdaylight> Peace-, you saying its the 'live' iso is the problem? disc is suggesting it could be my disc, although I checked for defaults before install and came back clean
[11:51] <livingdaylight> I thought of trying unetbootin on usb this time instaed of disc
[11:51] <Peace-> livingdaylight: coudl be both
[11:51] <Peace-> livingdaylight: i use alternate iso always
[11:51] <livingdaylight> Peace-, ok? why?
[11:52] <Peace-> !alternate
[11:53] <eaxdg> Im having truble with the package manager in 10.10. When i try and check for updates
[11:53] <eaxdg> i get "Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend.
[11:53] <eaxdg> Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open"
[11:53] <livingdaylight> i'm sure live supports lenovo r60e, but will try alternate; means dl another iso
[11:54] <eaxdg> but i dont have anything else open using it?
[11:57] <eaxdg> does the package manager use a different proxy than rekonq?
[12:08] <eaxdg> can anyone here help with configuring kpackage manager to use a http proxy? the proxy setting is configured in proxy settings and the internet works okay in rekonq
[12:15] <iliyan> export http_proxy=http://your_proxy:proxy_port
[12:15] <iliyan> then run kpackage from the same console.
[12:15] <susundberg> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96802 may contain some tips also
[12:16] <susundberg> apt-conf seems to have some support: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://MYDOMAIN\MYNAME:MYPASS@MY.PROXY.COM:MYPORT"
[12:16] <susundberg> (modify /etc/apt/apt.conf)
[12:16] <eaxdg> is it possible to use a .pac script as this is required by my network
[12:17] <susundberg> (apt.conf editing would be afaik the proper solution if no gui tool exists: http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt.conf )
[12:17] <susundberg> i dont even want to know what is a .pac script, sorry :)
[12:20] <eaxdg> do you know how to find what the name of my domain is?
[12:23] <susundberg> i do know that IP can sometimes be reversed to a human readable address that contain domain name
[12:24] <susundberg> but afaik (windows) network can use any domain name it pleases
[12:24] <susundberg> then samba client might be able to do the trick
[12:25] <susundberg> hm, seems like foo.bar.com has domains com that has subdomain bar, that has subdomain foo
[12:25] <susundberg> what makes sense ..
[12:29] <katsrc> is Nepomuk enabled by default in Kubuntu?
[12:30] <susundberg> katsrc: yes i think it is
[12:46] <katsrc> susundberg: thanks
[12:46] <katsrc> what was the command for checking ubuntu/kubuntu version in cli?
[12:54] <Peace-> katsrc: mmm uname -a  ?
[12:54] <tsimpson> !version
[12:55] <katsrc> tsimpson: thank you
[12:55] <katsrc> Peace-: thanks, but it was looking this other one uname is for kernel info
[12:55] <Peace-> katsrc: yes sorry reading bad :)
[12:56] <katsrc> does anyone know what is the recommended minimum system requirement for Kubuntu 10.10?
[12:56] <katsrc> it's running a bit sluggish on my machine, i'm wondering if my pc is just aging
[13:00] <Peace-> katsrc: mmm ram ^?
[13:00] <Peace-> katsrc: video card^?
[13:00] <katsrc> Pentium 4 HT - multi-threading (64bit), 2GB RAM, 250 MB Nvidia 8600 GT
[13:00] <Peace-> i have 2 core 1 gig of ram and intel 128mb of video card
[13:00] <Peace-> it's pretty fast
[13:00] <katsrc> i'm also running 64bit Kubuntu
[13:00] <Peace-> guess is the video driver?
[13:01] <katsrc> it's proprietary from Kubuntu repos
[13:01] <katsrc> i've turned off Desktop Effects too
[13:03] <susundberg> Check ctrl + esc for what is taking your CPU / Mem
[13:03] <susundberg> (for example firefox easily takes 200M)
[13:05] <livingdaylight> Peace-, hi, using alternate now. at the partition section, do I need to assign any space for bootloader? or grub? to recognize and add the windows partition?
[13:07] <Peace-> livingdaylight: no
[13:07] <Peace-> it iwll do automatically all the stuff you need only to create partitions
[13:09] <livingdaylight> swap, root and home?
[13:09] <Peace-> yep
[13:09] <livingdaylight> great
[13:16] <katsrc> susundberg: xorg usually takes 30%
[13:16] <katsrc> quassel is a memory hog, as is firefox
[13:17] <Peace-> katsrc: use konversation
[13:17] <Peace-> katsrc: maybe there is even a widget
[13:17] <Peace-> i don't remember well
[13:17] <susundberg> Its no help if the problem is not memory but cpu time
[13:17] <katsrc> yeah, but i've gotten use to some of nice features of Quassel
[13:17] <johnsonstanley> hii
[13:18] <katsrc> i was wondering of it's those new desktop search services in the background that comes with KDE
[13:18] <katsrc> whether disabling them would increase performance
[13:19] <james147> katsrc: what specs dose you computer have?
[13:20] <katsrc> james147:  Pentium 4 HT - multi-threading (64bit), 2GB RAM, 250 MB Nvidia 8600 GT
[13:20] <katsrc> using Kubuntu 64bit 10.10
[13:20] <james147> kubuntu shoulnt lag with that ^^ :S what version of kubuntu and kde do you have?
[13:20] <james147> ^^ and kde version?
[13:20] <katsrc> james147: latest
[13:21] <katsrc> 4.6.1
[13:21] <james147> hmm, i would sugest trying a clean profile (by creating and testing a new user) ^^ to rule out any config errors
[13:21] <katsrc> i was thinking of using Liquorix kernel
[13:22] <katsrc> it gave me some performance boost when i was on Debian with KDE
[13:22] <james147> katsrc: test a clean profile first, its easier and I think more likly to fix your problem
[13:22] <katsrc> clean profile?
[13:22] <james147> katsrc: create a new user and login with them, see if you suffer the same lag...
[13:22] <katsrc> remove ~/.kde?
[13:23] <james147> katsrc: creating a new user is generally better, and easier to revert
[13:23] <katsrc> can i just move ~/.kde and re-login?
[13:23] <katsrc> ok, let me try that then
[13:24] <katsrc> brb
[13:35] <mpatel> Hello
[13:36] <mpatel> please sombody help me to figured it out for the VPN connection using KNetworkManager on Kubuntu 10.10
[13:37] <mpatel> I have installed VPNC,PPTP,OpenVPN plugins and when I try to connect using VPNC i get the messsage Connected but at the same time i always loose my wireless connection...
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:42] <livingdaylight> alternate cd install appears to take a lot longer than live cd?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, yes it does , because it looks more closely/scans your HW etc
[13:48] <katsrc> james147: it does seem like a profile issue
[13:48] <katsrc> after i login, i have to wait a while until i hear system sounds and can launch anything
[13:48] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, that's a good thing? the HW sanning part is at the beginning though? The dl of files seems to take so long too
[13:49] <katsrc> but on the newly created test user it logs in instantly and i'm able to launch applications
[13:50] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, . yesh , it downloads a lot of the the files that would otherwise be on the live-cd , hence the the slower install
[13:50] <BluesKaj> yesh=yes.. and I haven't been drinking :)
[13:51] <james147> katsrc: well, that give you two option, start again from scratch and rebuild the configs, or try tto findthe one thats at fault
[13:53] <katsrc> james147: so just remove ~/.kde then
[13:53] <james147> katsrc: rename ^^ then you can restore anything that you didnt mean to deleate
[13:54] <katsrc> james147: good point
[13:54] <katsrc> thanks for you help!
[14:01] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, i thought that was your Sean Connery accent ;)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> heh, livingdaylight ...maybe tha's his secret , a few scotches in the morning to get moving :)
[14:03] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, oh, yesh...
[14:03] <johnsonstanley> thats fun
[14:04] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, the alternate install takes about an hr , iirc
[14:04] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, its done now, on to updates
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:05] <BluesKaj> my 7yr old compaq needs the alternate install , the live-cd doesn't get past plymouth
[14:09] <livingdaylight> my lenovo r60e is about that old now
[14:09] <livingdaylight> seem to be wireless issues
[14:10] <livingdaylight> its seeing my wireless router and apparently configuring but not connecting? Do I need to remove network cable?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> strange tho, the nvidia 7600gt graphics an older card uses the newer nvidia driver than he 8400gs on this machine
[14:12] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, , i guess you have to make a choice , ethernet or wifi
[14:17] <BluesKaj>  livingdaylight, I'm guessing it's alaptop, so wifi would be it , and yes, disconnect hte ethernet cable
[14:19] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, hah, wireless working. Had to go into settings andput in passphrase again. Doing it first time from NM didn't seem to hold it
[14:19] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, Nish...
[14:21] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight,  good,  NM is a bit flaky at first , but it should hold once you have your encrypt and pw settings setup
[14:21] <livingdaylight> do people replace it with wicd?
[14:22] <livingdaylight> next challenge tweak and make kubuntu look awesome
[14:22] <james147> livingdaylight: thats not a challenge :D
[14:23] <livingdaylight> james147, I'm new to kde, so, maybe just a little. What are the options? I heard about Lancelot?
[14:24] <james147> livingdaylight: well, there are options to configure just about everything :)
[14:24] <james147> lancelot is a alternitive menu, though i tend to find krunner to be more convient (alt+f2)
[14:24] <livingdaylight> james147, I suppose getting the multimedia codecs out of the way is a priority
[14:25] <james147> livingdaylight: "sudo apt-get install kbuntu-restricted-extras"
[14:25] <james147> kubuntu ^^
[14:25] <livingdaylight> which versions of flash and java does that install, do you know off hand?
[14:25] <livingdaylight> coz I don't want ice-tea and that
[14:26] <james147> livingdaylight: it will install the openjdk ^^ you will have to enable the partener repos to get at the closed version (though i havnt knoticed a difference)
[14:26] <james147> and as far as i know it downloads the offical flash version
[14:26] <livingdaylight> yea, gonna do 'em one by one
[14:27] <james147> livingdaylight: although, best ioption is to install it and then replace the parts you dont want
[14:28] <k00pa> so when does firefox4 come to kubuntu repos?
[14:28] <livingdaylight> can I do all that from kpackagekit?
[14:30] <livingdaylight> package kit jsut crashed
[14:31] <james147> livingdaylight: you can
[14:32]  * james147 doubts firefox4 will be in mavericks repos ^^ might be in nattys though
[14:32] <james147> yeah, natty seems to have 4
[14:33] <BluesKaj> pand livingdaylight for codecs etc, like libdvdcss2 , install the medibuntu repos http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php
[14:33] <BluesKaj> pand=and
[14:33] <livingdaylight> thanks
[14:33] <BluesKaj> well libdvedcss2 isn't a codec as such but...
[14:37] <livingdaylight> is Muon a popular Package manager/frontend?
[14:38] <james147> its the more advanced version of kpackagekit ^^ less well known
[14:38] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, yes I like it ..I use it as reference for proper app names and installed packages
[14:38] <james147> ^^ i say that... its not really related to kpackagekit
[14:38] <livingdaylight> sounds like a must-have
[14:38] <james147> its a more advanced package manager then kpackagekit ^^
[14:39] <BluesKaj> james147, livingdaylight , been usin Muon for a while now ..it works well if you need a package manager , very stable.
[14:44] <katsrc> james147: do you have any idea why qt engine would break on Thunderbird?
[14:45] <james147> katsrc: just thunderbird or other gtk apps as well?
[14:45] <katsrc> james147: firefox seems ok
[14:45] <katsrc> let me check GIMP
[14:45]  * james147 notes firefox has its own intergrations attempts ^^
[14:46] <katsrc> oh, ok so all GTK applications except Firefox broke
[14:46] <james147> katsrc: have you configured the gtk style in system settings?
[14:47] <katsrc> yes
[14:47] <katsrc> james147: was i suppose to move ~/.kdesrc as well?
[14:47] <james147> katsrc: do you ahve both .gtkrc-2.0 and .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 ?
[14:47] <james147> katsrc: only if your having problem still
[14:48] <katsrc> .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 is there
[14:48] <katsrc> but not .gtkrc-2.0
[14:48] <katsrc> i think i should move that as well, it's was unchanged since the previous profile
[14:49] <james147> katsrc: create a symlink to it with the name .gtkrc-2.0 (cd && ln -s .gtkrc-2.0 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4)
[14:49] <claydoh> james147: i bet ff 4 will be in maverick, an earlier too :)
[14:49] <claydoh> james147: note that even hardy has 3.6.15 , same as maverick nowadays..
[14:49] <james147> claydoh: not in the offical repos though?
[14:49] <claydoh> yes
[14:50] <claydoh> just not yet tho
[14:50]  * james147 didnt think they upgraded major versions once relesed ^^
[14:50] <claydoh> firefox is the recent exception
[14:50] <james147> ahh
[14:50] <katsrc> james147: it should be "ln -s .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 .gtkrc-2.0" since i'm linking to .gtkrc-2.0 from .gtkrc-2.0-kde4?
[14:51] <james147> yes :) always get them the wrong way around :p
[14:51] <livingdaylight> I installed medibuntu ppa, yet when I click on w32codecs or libdvdcss for e.g. I'm getting "package is virtual" returned?
[14:51] <katsrc> no problem
[14:52] <katsrc> james147: that did it
[14:52] <katsrc> james147: thank you so much!
[15:00] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, try installing them separately with apt-get...medibuntu won't install all the packages unless you you update after adding the repos.
[15:02] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, i did apt-get update
[15:02] <livingdaylight> getting errors
[15:02] <BluesKaj> ok then sudo apt-get install lidvdcss2 32codecs
[15:03] <livingdaylight> where are ppa's kept?
[15:04] <livingdaylight> can't seem to see it in sources list
[15:04] <BluesKaj> errors ..can you pastbin them ?
[15:04] <livingdaylight> I'll have to switch to laptop, yup... brb
[15:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , the package manager takes precedence over the sources.list it seems , but maker sure the parners and other sources are enabled in both
[15:05] <BluesKaj> partners
[15:08] <livingdaylight> greetings comrades
[15:09] <james147> livingdaylight: sources.d stores some
[15:09] <james147> (if i remember correctly)
[15:10]  * BluesKaj wonders how to sync the sources.list with the package manager
[15:12]  * livingdaylight wonders how to hit the ok button on the java screen
[15:13] <livingdaylight> hah, tab!
[15:14] <james147> BluesKaj: I think it does ^^ at least enabled/disabling the partener repos commends/uncomments that line in sources.list
[15:14] <james147> BluesKaj: however, some sources are stored in sources.list.d/ ^^ which might be where the "missing" ones are
[15:15] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/xcRctY8Z maybe you can take a look at my ouput - thanks
[15:21] <BluesKaj> james147,ok thx, livingdaylight could you paste your sources.list pls , it will tell us more
[15:21] <livingdaylight> sorry, missed that - sure thing.
[15:21] <livingdaylight> by the way, is it possible to make Quassel put rooms as tabs at the bottom rather than tree on side?
[15:23] <livingdaylight> sources list output http://dpaste.com/524511/
[15:27] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, sources.list looks fine
[15:27] <livingdaylight> ok
[15:28] <livingdaylight> I just need to remove medibuntu ppa so i dont keep getting that error on apt-get update
[15:28] <livingdaylight> Do you know where I can track that ppa?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, I also prefer the tabs at the bottom , that's why I use konversation ...afa medibuntu is concerned it's not a real ppa , it's another repository for media etc. it's constant ...ppas are usually for testing new app versions
[15:34] <BluesKaj> www.medibuntu.org , but you should be able to just disable it in the package manager sources
[15:34] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: yea, just rolling with the defaults here for time being. May have to switch to konversation too, although it pains me to remove one of the apps that doesnt start with K , one of my previous pet hates about kde and replace it with one that does. Reconq seems to be working nicely, although Iĺl probably eventually need to add Chrome as ive got hooked to that browser now, i think...
[15:35] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: looking for package manager sources in Muon
[15:35] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, settings/software sources in muon
[15:37] <livingdaylight> found it. Muon is nice becaue it behaves a lot like Synaptic which Iḿ used to.
[15:37] <livingdaylight> why did Konqueror get relabaled Rekonq?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, rekonq is ok ,but the bookmarktoolbar seems difficult to config to my likibg so I gave up on , seems like a need a more intuitave configurte system than rekonq provides
[15:39]  * BluesKaj has to remember to slow down ...typing skills suck
[15:39] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: i think youve just described Chrome :p simple, elegant, yet powerful.
[15:39]  * livingdaylight passes BluesKaj another scotch... 
[15:40] <livingdaylight> help to steady teh nerves
[15:41] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: not too bothered about bookmarks, as I use Diigo, but I need the diigo extension which rekonq probably doesnt have/do
[15:41] <james147> livingdaylight: rekone and konqueror are two different applications
[15:42] <livingdaylight> james147: thanks... did used to be one though, am I right? Then separated them to dedicate one as a file manager and other as a browser?
[15:42] <james147> livingdaylight: no, konqueror is still avlive and well, but there are now two new applcations that provide konquerors functionalty, dolphin and rekonq
[15:43] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, I like chrome a lot , just wish the tab and bookmark fonts were integrted with kde fonts settings ...I'm using our plasma tv as a monitor here since it's our media server pc, and the tab and ookmark fonts are waay too small ...the webpage content is not a problem , that's very configurable.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I'm forced to use FF ...it's ok but starting to become a bit bloated
[15:46] <james147> ^^ starting to? its been blaoted for ages
[15:48]  * james147 notes not to press ctrl+c at a password prompt... 
[15:48] <livingdaylight> lol
[15:49] <livingdaylight> whatś the word on the street when it comes to movie player in kde. Kmplayer or Mplayer?
[15:49]  * james147 hopes that the next prompt will restone characters being echoed to the screen, not being able to see what yu type is hard :p
[15:49] <james147> livingdaylight: kaffeine
[15:50]  * james147 hates mplayer ... never works well for him
[15:50] <livingdaylight> james147: I knew someone would say that :p
[15:51] <yofel> smplayer works fine here, but only with recent mplayer snapshots
[15:51] <livingdaylight> In ubuntu mplayer was the solution to all video feeds, maybe with a gnomeplayer
[15:51] <BluesKaj> mplayer if or cli purists and those who still convert stuff to dvd mpeg codecs
[15:51] <BluesKaj> if=is
[15:52] <livingdaylight> does kaffeine handle most files?
[15:52] <yofel> other than smplayer it would probably be kaffeine or vlc
[15:52] <BluesKaj> otherwise vlc is the the one I use
[15:52] <livingdaylight> on windows I always install kmplayer but that is a different one, right?
[15:52] <yofel> well, still mplayer, just different interface
[15:53] <yofel> we do have kmplayer in the archive
[15:53] <james147> livingdaylight: it does here
[15:53] <livingdaylight> james147: mkvś?
[15:54] <james147> livingdaylight: yup
[15:54] <james147> (assuming the right codes are installed)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> mencoder helped me capture video off our pvr when nothing else would work , even in windows ...the capture device driver wouldn't run on w7
[15:54] <james147> ^^ which installing kubuntu-restricted-extras seems to get
[15:55] <livingdaylight> libdvdcss2 libdvdread4
[15:55] <livingdaylight> w32codecs
[15:56] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, they work together
[16:27] <livingdaylight> konversation plays more like Xchat, it seems
[16:27] <livingdaylight> just did an apt-get upgrade and see Amarok is being upgraded. Is that a misstake? I heard the old version was better than the newer one, but that was a while ago
[16:29] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, not sure about amarok , not a real fan so i don't use it much , mainly because it's always in a state of being fixed
[16:32] <BluesKaj> konversation is a lot like mirc IMO ,, without the autoserver , which I do miss on occasion
[16:33] <livingdaylight_> my wireless is fading in and out of consciousness
[16:35] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, which wifi chip ?
[16:37] <livingdaylight_> am I still here>
[16:39] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, yes you're here
[16:39] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[16:40] <Elephantman> hi :) my laptop's internal microphone seems switched off, and I cant find where to switch it on.. any clue ?
[16:40] <james147> Elephantman: have you made sure the capture decives arnt muted in alsamixer(run in a terminal)
[16:42] <Elephantman> james147: I've been there, and the mic is at 0 (that's what made me say it seems off). But I dont find how to raise the volume
[16:42] <james147> up arrow?
[16:44] <Elephantman> james147: dont work
[16:44]  * james147 also notes you want to switch to capture mode (F4)
[16:44]  * james147 and possibally change the selected device (F6)
[16:49] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, there are some bug reports on launchpad regarding your wifi chip ,but I don't see much else
[16:53]  * BluesKaj listens (watches once in a while) to "David Gilmour in Gdansk"....nicely done
[17:01] <katsrc> everyone Firefox 4 has been released day: http://www.getfirefox.com
[17:01] <katsrc> i know most of us will get it from repositories, but get yourselves counted and download it.
[17:01] <katsrc> here are the downloads of Firefox 4 in real time: http://glow.mozilla.org/
[17:18] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: thanks ... it used to work/run a dream but in the last two week its suddenly deteriorated
[17:21] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, if you need to change , then wicd could be a good alternative ...it works with my belkin usb wifi adapter , where network manager would just not connect no matter what I tried
[17:25] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: sounds worth a try? Although, coz its always been so reliable I have consider that it is an aging card
[17:26] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: at least its all worked pretty much out of the box. Tried Pardus yesterday, and spent half the day ifconfigging this and iwconfiging that
[17:26] <livingdaylight_> very nice kde distro though
[17:27] <BluesKaj> Pardus ...hmm , never heard much about it , livingdaylight_
[17:29] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: very professionally put together I thought, polished. Nice installer...
[17:29] <livingdaylight_> During installation phase one has to agree to tos, and one is given the opportunity to read the gnu licence and i enjoyed that too.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> so kde is the default desktop on Pardus, interesting they would choose it over gnome ...must be those scientific minds at work :)
[17:37] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD
[17:43] <BluesKaj> hi Peace- :)
[17:43] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[17:44] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Nice guys. THey will be at Camp KDE
[17:45] <Daskreech> Not only is it a KDE distro I don't think you can get GNOME from their repos. It's very thought out around KDE
[17:46] <BluesKaj> hmm,that sounds even more interesting , Daskreech
[17:49] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, where and when is  Camp KDE ?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> guess this it  : http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Camp-KDE-2011-Linux-Foundation-Collaboration-Summit-1184837.html
[17:54] <livingdaylight_> Daskreech: thatś right about gnome not being available on Pardus
[17:55]  * BluesKaj considers trying pardus out on the old compaq ...wonder how the the HW recognition is ?
[17:58] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: for my wireless it was hopeless. I would dedinitely recommend anyone who likes kde try it though. Worth it for the installer alone :p
[17:59] <livingdaylight_> thatś where Ubuntu is trumps - HW detection out of the box
[18:00] <livingdaylight_> they recommended I try wicd too, but it wasnt in their repos. That's the other thing Debian based distros are so good for, PACKAGES!
[18:00] <livingdaylight_> packages galore
[18:02] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, (k)ubuntu- live-cd doesn't get past plymouth on my 7 yr old compaq amd venice 3200+ cpu system
[18:03] <BluesKaj> the install that is
[18:05] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: darn.. :/
[18:06] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: that will be an interesting test then
[18:06] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, the alternate install works well tho
[18:06] <BluesKaj> this is why I was asking about HW recognition
[18:09] <livingdaylight_> yea...
[18:15] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: is that compaq your test bed?
[18:17] <livingdaylight_> is Ktorrent the torrent of choice in kde?
[18:18] <DarthFrog> Ktorrent is what I use.
[18:20] <livingdaylight_> Help points me to a handbook, but then it says that there is no documentation
[18:21] <livingdaylight_> cant get my first torrent going
[18:21] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is my fav as well, very configurable ...deluge is ok but it's abit of a bandwidth hog no matter what your network settings are
[18:22] <BluesKaj> tell the dialog to look in /usr/bin/ktorrent , livingdaylight_
[18:22] <Daskreech> livingdaylight_: You can use KGet as well
[18:23] <livingdaylight_> thanks guys, once I get over the hurdle of configuring this first time itĺl be alrite ,no doubt. Just a completely new lookin for me
[18:24] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: /usr/bin/ktorrent for what? dont i just point it to where the torrent is saved? (dl a torrent not creating one)
[18:25] <Daskreech> livingdaylight_: What are you configuring? The whole install?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> no livingdaylight_ , when you choose the torrent file , then a dialof may popup asking what app to use
[18:26] <d_ed> I've got my apt into a state - I ran "apt-get install -f ", to fix it but it removed pretty much all of KDE
[18:26] <BluesKaj> er dialog
[18:26] <d_ed> now I get conflicts whenever I try and install anything
[18:26] <livingdaylight_> ok, I was doing it the other way around. I launched Ktorrent and opened the file tab and pointed the browser to where the torrent is in 'downloads' folder
[18:28] <Estrellita> hola
[18:28] <Daskreech> d_ed: Resolve the conflicts
[18:29] <Daskreech> Estrellita: hola
[18:29] <Estrellita> actualize kde 4.6 y tengo unos problemas en el escritorio
[18:30] <Estrellita> antes de actualizar estaba todo bien
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ok, well one can use the ktorrent browser , if that's more convenient , livingdaylight_ ..I have old ahbits that die hard
[18:33] <Alonea1> Daskreech: hey there!
[18:33] <Daskreech> Hello Alonea1 :) glad to see you :)
[18:34] <d_ed> ok, well I get this " libkdewebkit5 : Depends: libkdecore5 (= 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8) but 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 is to be installed"
[18:34] <Daskreech> !es | Estrellita
[18:34] <Alonea1> Daskreech: gah, how do I change my name back to Alonea
[18:34] <d_ed> and it makes no sense to me, I have beta PPA, and it was all fine
[18:34] <Daskreech> Alonea1: try /nick <newnick>
[18:34] <d_ed> now, one part of it seems to have rolled back
[18:34] <Alonea> Daskreech: there we go
[18:34] <Daskreech> d_ed: apt-get policy libkdewebkit5
[18:35] <livingdaylight_>  BluesKaj your method worked, its dl now
[18:36] <d_ed> Daskreech: I don't understand this
[18:36] <d_ed> http://paste.kde.org/7919/
[18:36] <Alonea> and hello to you too BluesKaj
[18:36] <Alonea> I swear, you two have been around seemingly forever.
[18:37] <Daskreech> BluesKaj can probably make the claim to apt-get install fire
[18:37] <apparle> guys when I update to firefox 4 via https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable/ will the firefox-kde-support still work, or should I purge it
[18:37] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, also if you're using a router that accept application settings then you can sync up the settings using the same tcp ports etc . I use ports above 50k for safety's sake.
[18:38] <BluesKaj> hi to you too Alonea :)
[18:38] <Daskreech> d_ed: Hmm strange it says that KDE 4.5.1 is the candidate but KDE 4.5.95 has a higher priority
[18:38] <d_ed> and that's why my system has got itself tangled
[18:38] <d_ed> silly thing, I can make it downgrade everything
[18:39] <d_ed> and then hopefully bring it back up
[18:39] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: thx
[18:39] <Daskreech> d_ed: I know hold on let me see if I can just tell it to bump the package
[18:39] <BluesKaj> Alonea, I'm an old retired guy , with lotsa time on my hands during our Canadian winters :)
[18:39] <Daskreech> I thought Canada had two seasons
[18:39] <Daskreech> Winter and Deep winter
[18:40] <DarthFrog> When he's not out shovelling his driveway.  It's uphill, both ways. :-)
[18:40] <Alonea> BluesKaj: hehe. Yeah, I am a college guy with little time and interests all over the place
[18:40] <BluesKaj> altho spring is trying it's darndest to arrive
[18:40] <Alonea> BluesKaj: Its failing on Rochester
[18:40] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Out here on the Wet Coast of Canuckistan, we don't get much of a winter.
[18:40] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,  yea I have 15ft hill in my drive
[18:41] <apparle> Daskreech: you can, read the man page of apt-get
[18:41] <Daskreech> apparle: Well more I want to find out why it's using an older version of the package as the recommended candidate
[18:42] <apparle> Daskreech: no idea :P
[18:42] <d_ed>  Daskreech dont' worry about it
[18:42] <d_ed> at worst I have /home on a different partition I can reinstall in no time at all
[18:43] <BluesKaj> well Alonea , I may be old but I still play music with a bunch of friends once /week or so ...keeps the blood flowing
[18:44] <Daskreech> d_ed: You can just apt-get install libkdewebkit5=4:4.5.95 I think
[18:45]  * Daskreech makes a crack about the Phonograph being great to jitterbug to
[18:47] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,  the North Channel of Georgian Bay is 25KM from me , we get real winter here not some brown rainy dampish facsimile :)
[18:47] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, I rock , I'm not that old
[18:48]  * DarthFrog will gladly take his facsimile of real weather, earthquake risk and all.
[18:49] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, if you call a Thorens TD160C a phonograph :)
[18:50]  * BluesKaj hears the offtopic cops footsteps ........
[18:50] <DarthFrog> It's actually a grammophone. :-)
[18:50] <genii-around> !ot
[18:50] <genii-around> BluesKaj: ;)
[18:51] <dawid> hi
[18:58]  * BluesKaj takes a break , taking a walk to the post/mailbox
[19:15] <Daskreech> d_ed: did you do an apt-get update?
[19:29] <pk> Hello
[19:30] <pk> Im very confused, does anyone have a second to help?
[19:31] <Daskreech> pk: Ask
[19:31] <Daskreech> !anyone
[19:32] <Daskreech> d_ed: there?
[19:34] <pk> Sorry, Tried something and failed. Ive spent about 12 hours trying to learn the basics here. I want to update my nvidia drivers.
[19:35] <pk> I tried the command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current"
[19:36] <Daskreech> _sophia: hi
[19:36] <Daskreech> pk: Then what happened?
[19:36] <pk> but nothing changed. I downloaded a .run file from nvidias website, which opens in kate rather than running, It states I need to disable my xserver, but upon doing that it stopped working
[19:36] <pk> Nothing, it downloaded the packages. and ended. I restarted my computer and nothing altered.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> pk, have you looked in the kmenu/apps/additional drivers
[19:37] <BluesKaj> use the recommended driver
[19:37] <pk> Thats where I was going next ^^; When I used apps/additional drivers and selected the reccomended driver
[19:37] <pk> All the text shrunk to such a size that even with the magnifier I was unable to read it
[19:38] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card ?
[19:38] <pk> 9400 GT
[19:38] <_sophia> hi Daskreech
[19:38] <_sophia> still need to try to fix headphones
[19:38] <pk> I just want to play minecraft again ;;_;;
[19:38] <BluesKaj> using a large monitor, pk?
[19:38] <_sophia> been doing a lot of Ruby work, with no major problems =)
[19:38] <pk> 42 inch 1080p
[19:39] <Daskreech> _sophia: what's happeneing with your headphones?
[19:39] <Daskreech> pk: ah ok you have the run file?
[19:39] <pk> yes
[19:39] <Daskreech> pk: Do you know about virtual terminals?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> pk, that's what I use , my card is the 8400gs ...recommend you reboot after installing the rec'ded driver
[19:40] <pk> I rebboted after, which is when the text shrunk to an illegible size
[19:40]  * Daskreech allows BluesKaj to handle this
[19:40] <pk> I can navigate around the teriminal for basic uses...
[19:40] <Daskreech> pk: I'm talking about the terminals outside of your X server
[19:40] <pk> ah.
[19:41] <pk> no. I know I cant get in with CTRL+ALT+F1 and exit F8
[19:42] <pk> but as far as working inside of it, not so much. I used Kubuntu 10.04 briefly, but used Windows mostly. I decided to try to learn linux again , with the 10.10 release
[19:42] <Daskreech> Alt+ctrl+F1 would be a virtual terminal :)
[19:42] <Daskreech> pk: ok want to pick up some lessons ?
[19:42] <pk> Sure
[19:43] <pk> to be honest the only commands I ever use are apt-get install/upgrade
[19:43] <pk> Sorry crashed on me -_- Im back
[19:43] <BluesKaj> pk , kmenu/apps/system/system settings/display&monitor/size and orientation/choose the 1920x180
[19:44] <BluesKaj> err 1920x1080
[19:44] <pk> Already set on that, 1920x1080(auto)
[19:46] <BluesKaj> pk , kmenu/apps/system/system settings/application appearance/fonts , increase your fonts to around 12 or so and it should be readable
[19:46] <pk> well, right now eveything is fine
[19:46] <pk> Im not using that driver at the moment
[19:47] <BluesKaj> what driver?
[19:47] <pk> The reccomended driver under additional drivers
[19:49] <pk> though I never tried altering and using a fixed DPI
[19:50] <pk> thank you for the help, im going to try the altered dont size and see if the driver works now. Ill be back if theres a problem.
[19:50] <pk> font*
[19:52] <Daskreech> _sophia: :)
[19:52] <Daskreech> how are you Alonea?
[19:55] <stephdg> now i'm probably asking a really dumb question, and feel free to tell me so, but when i installed kubuntu, it installed kdelibs right?
[19:56] <Daskreech> stephdg: yes indeedy
[19:56] <stephdg> Daskreech: ok thanks :)
[19:56] <Daskreech> Kubuntu is quite proud of kdelibs :)
[19:56] <silviu> hey
[19:56] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, I have to go, would you tell pk the 9400gt should be using the 270.30 driver , pls?
[19:56] <silviu> is it normal that my graphics card stays at nearly 70 degrees
[19:57] <silviu> when I do almost nothing on my desktop/
[19:57] <pk> Hello again
[19:57] <stephdg> Daskreech: what about kdebase/runtime?
[19:57] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: alright
[19:57] <Daskreech> stephdg: That too!
[19:57] <BluesKaj> pk the 9400gt should be using the 270.30 driver , pls?
[19:57] <stephdg> Daskreech: ok :)
[19:57] <Daskreech> hi silviu
[19:57] <james147> silviu: thats really high for idle
[19:57] <pk> Ill check
[19:58] <stephdg> Daskreech: kdepimlibs?
[19:58] <silviu> i'm using the latest drivers from nvidia site
[19:58] <BluesKaj> BBL...
[19:58] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Do I still have to give the message ? :-D
[19:58] <james147> silviu: i suggest you invest in a better cooling system :p
[19:58] <silviu> well, I have a laptop
[19:58] <BluesKaj> no Daskreech, thx :)
[19:58] <silviu> and I'm also using a coolerpad
[19:58] <Daskreech> silviu: do you have Blur enabled?
[19:58] <pk> If its of any significance, when I activate the reccomended driver, my splash screen changes. I believe its called plymouth? A solid light blue with large blocky white text
[19:59] <silviu> yes, I do have blur enalbed
[19:59] <Daskreech> pk: ok
[19:59] <stephdg> Daskreech: kdepimlibs as well?
[19:59] <Daskreech> silviu: try turning that off. It can be intensive
[19:59] <silviu> I turned it off now
[20:00] <pk> Im sorry, how do I check my driver? Under "Additional Drivers" It just says "Nvidia accelerated graphics driver (version crrent) [recommended]
[20:00] <Daskreech> silviu: ok see what that is like for a few days
[20:00] <genii-around> !info nvclock
[20:00] <silviu> thank you for your help
[20:00] <genii-around> nvclock can also be used to control the fan, not just the clock on the video card
[20:01] <pk> nevermind, my drive is 230.29
[20:01] <pk> driver*\
[20:02] <genii-around> silviu: If you have nvclock installed, you can do like: nvclock -F #  where # is between 10 and 100, which is the duty-cycle
[20:02] <silviu> and what does that do/
[20:03] <genii-around> silviu: Cools your card more if it's overheating
[20:06] <genii-around> silviu: I do not assist in personal message, sorry. Duty cycle of 10 means fan is on 10% of the time. 100 means fan is always on. 50 means half the time
[20:06] <silviu> ok, thank you
[20:07] <genii-around> silviu: You're welcome
[20:08] <silviu> Error: Your card doesn't support fanspeed adjustments!
[20:08] <silviu> great
[20:09] <Daskreech> silviu: at least it's not software
[20:09] <Daskreech> You'd get a prompt for only 15 dollars this video card can be upgraded to not explode!
[20:12] <pk> I have another question, How can I simplify this process. To play the game minecraft, I have to go the terminal and type "java -jar /home/pk/Games/Minecraft/minecraft.jar" to execute this. Is there any way I can make the .jar execultable as it?
[20:12] <pk> Rather than it opening in Ark
[20:13] <pk> as it is*
[20:13] <Daskreech> pk: not as far as I understand Java
[20:13] <genii-around> silviu: That sucks. At some point you might want to pull the card out and make sure the fan isn't clogged up, and spinning freely.
[20:13] <Daskreech> pk: why don't you just make a minecraft script?
[20:14] <Daskreech> pk: And wait ark? why are you opening it in ark?
[20:14] <pk> It defaults to ark ;;_;;
[20:14] <pk> and Im not familiar enough with kubuntu/linux to make a script
[20:15] <silviu> I 've disabled all desktop effects, and it's still near 70
[20:15] <silviu> oddly enough, I don't recall having the same issue with gnome
[20:15] <Daskreech> pk: It's super easy
[20:15] <silviu> and that was a few weeks ago
[20:16] <pk> how do I go about doing that?
[20:16] <Daskreech> silviu: Might be a video issue. I think that #kwin might be able to give more insight
[20:16] <Daskreech> pk: open kate
[20:16] <Daskreech> type #!/bin/bash
[20:17] <pk> done and done
[20:17] <Daskreech> that's the start for a UNIX script telling it that it is a script (#!) and what it should use to run itself /bin/bash
[20:17] <Daskreech> Next line is java -jar /home/pk/Games/Minecraft/minecraft.jar
[20:17] <Daskreech> or java -jar ~/Games/Minecraft/minecraft.jar
[20:17] <Daskreech> Which ever you prefer
[20:18]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[20:18] <livingdaylight> when a website has a deb for Ubuntu, is that just as good (read applicable) for kubuntu?
[20:18] <livingdaylight> xmind for e.g.
[20:19] <pk> Alright I created it ^^
[20:19] <genii-around> livingdaylight: Yes, so long as the deb is for the correct version like Lucid or Maverick or so on
[20:20] <livingdaylight> genii-around: right, thanks
[20:20] <Daskreech> pk: save it. and you are done
[20:21] <pk> I saved it, and when I ran it, it opened it back up in kate?
[20:21] <Daskreech> pk: you are now a Linux Scripter :)
[20:21] <Daskreech> pk: ok so now open a terminal
[20:21] <pk> Terminal is open
[20:22] <Daskreech> pk: you know how to move around the Filesystem in the terminal?
[20:22] <pk> second day here on Kubuntu -_-
[20:22] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: yes as long as it doesn't rely on Gtk parts like Natiulus
[20:22]  * Daskreech shakes fist at dropbox
[20:22] <pk> unless its sudo apt-get I probably dont know it : D
[20:22] <Daskreech> You too you cursed Adobe Air
[20:23] <Daskreech> pk: Ok do you know how to read the command line prompt?
[20:23] <pk> I believe I do
[20:23] <Daskreech> pk: alright which directory are you in?
[20:24] <pk> Home, I believe
[20:24] <Daskreech> ok great
[20:24] <pk> "pk@pk:~$"
[20:24] <Daskreech> if youw want to check you can type pwd
[20:24] <Daskreech> that's short for Print Working Directory
[20:24] <Daskreech> it will tell you exactly where you are
[20:24] <pk> thank you, yes home/pk :]
[20:25] <Daskreech> ok Do you know where you saved the script?
[20:25] <pk> yes, same folder as the.jar
[20:25] <pk> /home/pk/Games/Minecraft/
[20:25] <Daskreech> pk: lol ok fine
[20:25] <Daskreech> if you type ls you can see all the file in the current directory
[20:26] <Daskreech> if you want to change to a new directory you can type cd <name>
[20:26] <Daskreech> pk:  so let me show yo usomething FUN (tm)
[20:26] <Daskreech> pk: type cd Ga<tab>
[20:26] <pk> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[20:26] <pk> ?
[20:26] <Daskreech> When you press tab it should autocomplete Games
[20:27] <Daskreech> If you type M<tab> it should complete Minecraft
[20:27] <Daskreech> press enter then type pwd to see that you have moved
[20:27] <pk> no such luck :[
[20:27] <pk> ah
[20:28] <pk> didnt realise it was case sensative
[20:28] <pk> Alright I am now in the folder with the jar and bin
[20:29] <pk> Thank you so much for explaining this to me by the way
[20:29] <Daskreech> pk: That's why I used Ga :)
[20:29] <pk> ^^;
[20:29] <Daskreech> pk: so that's another lesson Games is not the same as games which is different from gAMEs
[20:29] <pk> Go it :]
[20:30] <pk> got it :] maybe ill lowercase everything for simplicity
[20:30] <Daskreech> which can be used as well as abused please have fun with that till you realise what a bad idea abusing it is ^_^
[20:30] <Daskreech> pk: You learn quickly :)
[20:30] <pk> hahaha im sure  wil
[20:30] <pk> will
[20:30] <Daskreech> ok now we want to see what the script is doing
[20:30] <Daskreech> so let's list it's properties
[20:30] <pk> Yes we do ^^
[20:31] <Daskreech> type ls -l <scriptname>
[20:31] <Daskreech> the -l means do a long listing of the file(s)
[20:31] <Daskreech> so you see more info
[20:31] <Daskreech> You should get one long line. Paste that line here
[20:31] <pk> -l?
[20:31] <pk> -l: command not found
[20:32] <Daskreech> pk: No ls -l
[20:33] <Daskreech> pk: so ls -l <scriptname>
[20:33] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$  -l minecraft
[20:33] <pk> -l: command not found
[20:35] <Daskreech> pk: ha ok cool lets do a short tutorial
[20:35] <Daskreech> the command line always expects a command (surprise!)
[20:35] <pk> mmk
[20:35] <Daskreech> the way it does that is assume the first thing you type is a command and then looks through the system for something that matches the same name
[20:36] <Daskreech> the way UNIX works is that a command does one job and does it well
[20:36] <livingdaylight> are apps like KOrganizer Kaddressbook part of a meta package or can I remove them?
[20:36] <Daskreech> so for example the command ls tells you about the files somewhere
[20:37] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: both. They are part of a metapackage and you can remove them
[20:37] <Daskreech> pk: however sometimes you would like a command to do something differently so instead of making a new command to do slight changes you can give a command an option
[20:37] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: do i just pick one and the entire package is removed, or should I remove the metapackage? Do you know the name?
[20:37] <pk> the same way sudo treats you as root, or aptitude-get... gets you an aptitude
[20:38] <Daskreech> pk: right
[20:38] <Daskreech> pk: You can normally tell an option because it starts with a - or a --
[20:38] <Daskreech> so like uname
[20:38] <Daskreech> versus uname -r
[20:38] <Daskreech> the -r is the option to tell uname to do something different
[20:39] <Daskreech> in this case to tell you the name of the release rather than all the system info
[20:39] <pk> same way in windows to ping ot ro ping until stopped using -l?
[20:39] <Daskreech> right
[20:39] <pk> or to ping*
[20:39] <pk> mmmk. Understood so far. So I should be typing l -l ?
[20:39] <Daskreech> so when you see - or -- you know that it is an option to a command
[20:39] <Daskreech> so the command is ls
[20:39] <Daskreech> the option is -l
[20:40] <Daskreech>  and you want to see the details on the script
[20:40] <Daskreech> so you type ls -l <scriptname>
[20:40] <Daskreech> which yo ucan autocomplete
[20:40] <pk> which spits this back out at me
[20:40] <pk> -rw-r--r-- 1 pk pk 53 2011-03-22 13:18 minecraft
[20:40] <Daskreech> Right
[20:41] <Daskreech> so now lets look at this the last part is obviously the script name
[20:41] <Daskreech> The time right before that is when the file was last changed
[20:41] <pk> then date changed/created
[20:41] <Daskreech> Right
[20:41] <Daskreech> What we care about right now is the first part
[20:42] <Daskreech> this deals with how UNIX does security on files
[20:42] <Daskreech> there are a set of dashes. They tell you waht the file is and what the file will react to
[20:42] <Daskreech> the first - means that this is a normal file
[20:42] <Daskreech> if you look at a directory it will be a d
[20:43] <Daskreech> after that first dash you will see 9 spaces
[20:43] <Daskreech> rw-
[20:43] <Daskreech> that means that this file can be read and written to
[20:44] <Daskreech> the next three are r--
[20:44] <Daskreech> that means the file can only be read
[20:44] <Daskreech> same for the last three r--
[20:45] <Daskreech> pk: See the 9 spaces?
[20:45] <pk> and those dictate what permissions groups and other users have?
[20:45] <pk> yes ^^
[20:45] <Daskreech> right so the first three is what the owner has
[20:45] <Daskreech> if you look beside the dashes you see pk
[20:45] <pk> so that means I cant read/write as owner, then groups, then users
[20:45] <Daskreech> that's you the owner
[20:46] <Daskreech> the next is the group
[20:46] <Daskreech> the last set is anyone who is not the owner and not the group
[20:46] <Daskreech> the group is the second pk
[20:46] <pk> I see
[20:46] <Daskreech> so if you are not pk or in the group pk then you are everyone else
[20:46] <Daskreech> that last dash is always missing though.....
[20:47] <Daskreech> That last dash is what makes a file run as a program it's the executable permission
[20:47] <livingdaylight> does kubuntu have its version of Tomboy?
[20:47] <pk> So after poking around a little, I could just right click the file and select "is executable" but then I wouldnt learn anything : P
[20:47] <Daskreech> can I run this file as if it was a program
[20:47] <Daskreech> pk: plus you learn a little command line :)
[20:47] <pk> thats good :]
[20:47] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: You can just install tomboy if you like. But check out basket
[20:48] <pk> so how do I go about making it executable through the command line
[20:48] <livingdaylight> basket, ok
[20:48] <Daskreech> pk: if you want to make it executable from the command line you can type chmod +x <filename>
[20:48] <Daskreech> that will make it executable for everyone
[20:48] <Daskreech> if you just want it executable for the user you can do chmod u+x <filename>
[20:49] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: can one install tomboy without installing and loading kde with all de gnome libraries?
[20:49] <Daskreech> user +(add) Execute
[20:49] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: It's mono so you would just load the mono libraries
[20:49] <livingdaylight> k
[20:50] <Daskreech> pk: if you want to play you can take off the read for the others (everyone else) using chmod o-r minecraft
[20:50] <pk> I understand that now : D now using ls -l the last dash is an x
[20:50] <Daskreech> pk: of course you can check what the new persmisions are with ls -l
[20:50] <Daskreech> great! so in theory this should be able to run minecraft
[20:51] <pk> which is does, Win : D
[20:51] <Daskreech> you can test that by pointing to the file as a command
[20:51] <pk> ho would I do that?
[20:51] <Daskreech> you can do that with ./minecraft
[20:51] <Daskreech>  the . means start from here
[20:51] <Daskreech> .. means start in the directory above me
[20:52] <Daskreech> so this is literally saying run the command minecraft from this directory
[20:52] <Daskreech> bye d_ed
[20:52] <pk> bash: ./minecraft.jar: cannot execute binary file
[20:52] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$
[20:52] <Daskreech> pk: wrong file :)
[20:52] <Daskreech> ./minecraft
[20:52] <pk> ah.
[20:52] <pk> However, If I click it in dolphoin it loads up. why is that?
[20:53] <Daskreech> pk: cause it's executable Dolphin respects that and runs it
[20:53] <Daskreech> and since you started it with /bin/bash it knows who to ask to get it to work
[20:53] <Daskreech> (that would be bash) :)
[20:53] <pk> well, Ive been working with the .jar file this whole time on accident -_-
[20:54] <pk> so without the short script I wrote, it still executes the .jar thru dolphin
[20:54] <Daskreech> pk: the jar file also has a line that says please call Java if I am executable
[20:54] <pk> ahh
[20:55] <pk> the java -jar?
[20:55] <Daskreech> so it works the same way you make it exectuable and when you run it Dolphin will open it. It will ask dolphin to let Java handle this file which dolphin will then call and it all works
[20:55] <Daskreech> Right
[20:55] <pk> understood
[20:55] <Daskreech> ok try make your script executable
[20:56] <Daskreech> let me know when you have done that
[20:56] <Daskreech> I have one more step to make this complete
[20:56] <livingdaylight> In Pardus there was a brilliant Chess game, but forget its name. there are quite a few. Anyone know?
[20:57] <pk> hmm
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> knights?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> !info knights
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> !info knights natty
[20:57] <pk> this is right? #!/bin/bash
[20:57] <pk> java -jar ~/games/Minecraft/minecraft.jar
[20:57] <pk>  
[20:58] <pk> nevermind, hold up please
[20:59] <pk> excellent, Got it working!
[20:59] <pk> FFirst step towards having a clue of what im doing
[21:00] <Daxar> Yep, that's right. Just what I was doing a few days ago to make myself a Minecraft desktop icon. :)
[21:01] <pk> This isnt important, but can I change the thumbnail for the icon?
[21:01] <Daskreech> Daxar: ha ah you can walk him through that in a moment
[21:01] <Daskreech> pk: Umm you mean the view of seeing what's in the file in Dolphin?
[21:02] <Daskreech> I guess I've liked that so much I have never tried to turn it off for one file
[21:02] <pk> Yes, I mean. I got the file I made to execute. So I copied it to the desktop. Still executes the jar fine
[21:02] <Daskreech> you can turn it off for all files of course but it makes choosing the one you want so much faster I don't know why you would
[21:02] <Daskreech> pk: ok so last thing
[21:02] <Daskreech> in the terminal type this
[21:02] <Daskreech> echo $PATH
[21:03] <james147> pk: if you want a gui launcher its best to create a .desktop file ... that way you can assign an icon and description as well
[21:03] <Daskreech> pk: You will get a long list of directories
[21:03] <pk> Thank You james ^^.
[21:03] <Daskreech> that's where the terminal looks for commands when you type them
[21:04] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$ echo $path
[21:04] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$
[21:04] <Daskreech> pk: caps counts
[21:04] <pk> caps -_-
[21:04] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$ echo $PATH
[21:04] <pk> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[21:04] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$
[21:05] <Daskreech> pk: great so lets see. the shell knows about /usr/games
[21:06] <Daskreech> pk: Lets copy your script there. it's not owned by you so you will have to sudo it
[21:06] <Daskreech> sudo cp <scriptname> /usr/games
[21:06] <pk> alright
[21:08] <Daskreech> pk: another interesting thing to note here is that you don't have to be in the same directory to do anyof these things
[21:08] <Daskreech> you can stay in your home directory and reach out to somewhere else grab that file and put it somewhere far away
[21:08] <pk> ah
[21:08] <pk> but what did it  do?
[21:08] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$ sudo cp minecraft /usr/games
[21:08] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$
[21:08] <FloodBotK1> pk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:08] <Daskreech> like sudo cp Games/Minecraft/minecraft /usr/games
[21:09] <Daskreech> pk: press alt+F2 and type minecraft
[21:10] <pk> Alright
[21:10] <Daskreech> Did it run?
[21:10] <pk> no ;;_;;
[21:10] <james147> pk: why not create a menu entry for it?
[21:11] <Daskreech> james147: That's the next step
[21:11] <pk> im still working on sudo cp command
[21:11] <pk> It wont accept it
[21:11] <Daskreech> pk: from the command line you should be able to just type minecraft and it should work
[21:11] <JuJuBee_> Anybody here use google chrome and know where are google chrome bookmarks sync'ed to? There used to be a folder in google docs but I don't see it anymore.
[21:11] <james147> Daskreech: you dont need a script to run it as well ^^
[21:11] <Daskreech> james147: I know I was just teaching basics of the command line
[21:11] <james147> :)
[21:12] <Daskreech> JuJuBee_: probably synched to Google?
[21:12] <pk> still ending up with
[21:12] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$ sudo cp minecraft /usr/games
[21:12] <pk> pk@pk:~/Games/Minecraft$
[21:12] <JuJuBee_> Daskreech: I know that, but where?  I used to be able to see the bookmarks in a folder in my google docs...
[21:12] <james147> pk: most commands dont output anything on success
[21:12] <JuJuBee_> not there anymore...
[21:12] <Daskreech> pk: Oh sorry
[21:12] <Daskreech> Unix commands only tell you if something went wrong
[21:13] <pk> ah
[21:13] <Daskreech> imagine you are a commander of a vast army of powerful ssoliders
[21:13] <Daskreech> if you tell them to go on a mission you expect them to win. They will only bother you if they don't win
[21:13] <pk> got it.
[21:13] <Daskreech> yes
[21:13] <Daskreech> Linux is WINNING!
[21:13] <Daxar> YEEEEAH!
[21:13]  * Daskreech leaves in shame
[21:13] <pk> Alt+F2, doesnt execute it though
[21:14] <pk> and I have a larger problem still ..<
[21:14] <james147> pk: when happen if you run "minecraft" in a terminal?
[21:14] <Daskreech> james147 and Daxar can walk you through the desktop file
[21:14] <Daskreech> I have step off
[21:14] <Daxar> Hey, cool. Learn something new every day. I made a .desktop,  but I had to make it launch the shell script from terminal. Works far nicer now.
[21:14] <james147> what happens ^^
[21:15] <pk> loads up fine ^^
[21:15] <pk> then crashes, but thats a different issue Ineed some help with >.<
[21:15] <Daxar> Hmm, I followed above steps and launching "minecraft" from terminal works great
[21:15] <pk> No, the launch works great for me
[21:16] <pk> Its my video drivers, a different issue I was trying to fix earlier
[21:17] <james147> ^^ what issue?
[21:18] <pk> Well, when I go to sustem settings the additional drivers and enable the reccomended driver
[21:18] <pk> my splash screen changes to flat blue with large white text. Then, when I get into the gui, all text is minisculy small
[21:18] <pk> I fixed it b setting the minimum font dpi to 96
[21:19] <pk> but the text is still that small when I go to log in, and the spalsh is still broken
[21:19] <pk> splash*
[21:20] <james147> pk: try http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html
[21:21] <pk> will do, If I may ask what is plymouth
[21:21] <james147> pk: its the boot splash screen
[21:21] <pk> ah, will that also help withthe text?
[21:21] <KjetilK> suddenly, a username/password dialog pops up, with "Identi.ca API at identi.ca" where the pre-entered username is "kubuntu"
[21:22] <KjetilK> I have no idea which application does this, and how I can stop it from happening...
[21:22] <KjetilK> any ideas?
[21:22] <Daskreech> KjetilK: that's the identi.ca plasmoid on the desktop if you don't use identi.ca or twitter just remove it
[21:23] <KjetilK> Daskreech, oh, OK
[21:23] <Daskreech> For some reason it ships with the Kubuntu account preentered
[21:23] <james147> pk:  not sure about the text... but we can see :)
[21:23] <Daskreech> If you do use either just make your own account and it overides the Kubuntu one
[21:23] <KjetilK> hmmm, I wonder why that came up again, I don't use it...
[21:24] <pk> Alright BRB
[21:24] <Daskreech> KjetilK: it exists on the desktop I think so it tries to connect
[21:25] <KjetilK> Daskreech, yup, but I thought I removed it a long time ago
[21:25] <KjetilK> anyway, thanks!"
[21:25] <Daskreech> KjetilK: oh! umm check your akonadi settings it may still have a resource
[21:26] <Daskreech> the microblogging resourcee I thin
[21:26] <Daskreech> alt+F2 -> akonadi
[21:26] <KjetilK> Daskreech, yeah, it was on my desktop, I just don't understand why it was there, something must have been reset
[21:26] <Daskreech> KjetilK: possible
[21:28] <Daxar> Daskreech: Thanks for the info on sticking a script in /usr/games. I'm fairly new to Linux myself.
[21:29] <Daskreech> Daxar: please ask with whatever you are confused about I'll tell you to go read the right manual :)
[21:30] <livingdaylight_> got disconnected, did someone answer?
[21:31] <livingdaylight_> ?
[21:31] <livingdaylight_> wireless playing up
[21:32] <livingdaylight_> re:games. Is there a metapackage? Was enjoying a chess game in Pardus but don remember the name.
[21:33] <Daxar> Daskreech: Right now I'm trying to figure out how to make a .desktop for my desktop without having to edit it by hand, like by using the nice gui you get when you change icon settings with an icon that's currently there. Right now I've been click-dragging an existing icon from the application launcher menu to the desktop and editing it to suit my needs, but I know there has to be a better way...
[21:34] <Daxar> livingdaylight_: JontheEchidna mentioned knights natty earlier
[21:34] <Daxar> !info knights natty
[21:35] <livingdaylight_> Daxar: cheers... it might have been knights, i 'll check
[21:35] <Daskreech> livingdaylight_: Knights?
[21:35] <Daskreech> !info kdegames
[21:36] <james147> Daxar: you can use kmenuedit (is launched by rightclicking the menu > edit applications) to create menu shortcuts (which are essentially .desktop files)
[21:36] <Daskreech> Daxar: I don't know I get happy if a .desktop turns up but I've never been intersted in making them
[21:37] <Daxar> Ah, right. So kmenuedit is the best way? Thanks. I'd been using that some too, just hadn't put two and two together. Thanks.
[21:40] <livingdaylight> searching knights all i get are the engines that require knights, it says... can find the knights front end though?
[21:46] <livingdaylight> Daxar: did you say that knights will be available from kubuntu 11.04 onwards?
[21:46] <livingdaylight> i don t see it in repos here
[21:47] <Daxar> I know nothing beyond what ubottu said, sorry
[21:47] <james147> livingdaylight: are you running natty?
[21:48] <livingdaylight> james147: no, 1010
[21:49] <james147> livingdaylight: yeah, from what i can see its in the natty repo, and not maverick ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=natty&searchon=names&keywords=knights )
[21:51] <alyssa_> hey
[21:51] <Solak> Hello.
[21:51] <alyssa_> i have a question about kubuntu
[21:51] <livingdaylight> james147: thx, I played it on Pardus; got spoilt. Still Natty is around the corner
[21:51] <Solak> Daskreech: makes me wonder: why isn't ksirtet in kubuntu anymore?
[21:52] <Daskreech> alyssa_: ask it
[21:52] <alyssa_> it seems when i minimize a window in firefox, it disappears
[21:52] <alyssa_> and don't come back
[21:52] <james147> a window in firefox?
[21:54] <alyssa__> just like that
[21:55] <Daskreech> alyssa__: do you have a task bar?
[21:55] <alyssa__> why does firefox windows dissappear in kubuntu if you minimize it
[21:55] <Daskreech> Solak: cause it was taken out of KDE?
[21:55] <alyssa__> yes
[21:55] <alyssa__> yes  daskeech
[21:55] <Daskreech> alyssa__: when you minimize it it's not in the alt+tab list?
[21:55] <alyssa__> didn't try that yet,
[21:56] <alyssa__> that opens up "bash"
[21:56] <Solak> Daskreech: if the KUbuntu team didn't remove it from the list....
[21:56] <Daxar> alyssa__: Press Alt, Hold down tab
[21:57] <Daxar> Wait for a second
[21:57] <alyssa__> k
[21:57] <Daxar> Sorry, I mean Hold Alt, press Tab once
[21:57] <Daskreech> Solak: it's not in KDE anymore. I don't see what the Kubuntu team has to do with that
[21:57] <Daxar> You should see a list of stuff
[21:58] <Solak> Daskreech: hmm, ok.
[21:58] <Daskreech> alyssa__: You can press tab again while holding alt to get through the list
[21:58] <alyssa_> thank you very much
[21:58] <alyssa_> that does let me see the missing stuff
[21:58] <Daskreech> alyssa_: alright now to figure out why they are not on the task manager
[21:59] <Daskreech> There is an option for minimization on the task manager but I think it does the opposite of what you are seeing happen
[21:59] <alyssa_> i put  firefox on the desktop
[21:59] <pk> Hello again
[21:59] <alyssa_> only had kubuntu maybe 6 days
[22:00] <alyssa_> windows xp kept crashing, getting viruses, etc.. got sick of it
[22:00] <pk> Im looking for help with the nvidia drivers. I posted earlier but the solution didnt help
[22:00] <pk> Hello Alyssa! Same reason im here. though I cant figure anything out so for the time being im equally as confused and angry
[22:01] <alyssa_> it instilled my driveres automaticly
[22:01] <Daskreech> alyssa_: :)
[22:02] <alyssa_> suond,  board, etc.
[22:02] <alyssa_> yes daskeech
[22:02] <Daskreech> pk: do you know waht the .run file will install?
[22:02] <pk> Mine are out of date, upon updating them, my resolution is so high I cant read anything at all unless I lock text at 96 dpi, but then everything is still really high
[22:02] <pk> no im not sure
[22:03] <alyssa_> i have used the package manager before
[22:03] <Daskreech> pk: can't you just drop the resolution?
[22:03] <alyssa_> and terminal, just copy and paste from web pages
[22:03] <pk> I have, it doesnt change anything... Also my monitor supports 1920x1080 which is what it claims to be at
[22:03] <alyssa_> but that was mostly in ubuntu, not kubuntu\
[22:04] <Daskreech> alyssa_: same idea works
[22:04] <Daskreech> pk: can you go to the page you got the .run file from and see if it says what version it will install?
[22:04] <alyssa_> i kinda like the lay out of  kubuntu better, but still learning it
[22:05] <pk> Well I couldnt get the run file to work because I couldnt figure out how to turn off xserver, this is with the reccomended drivers
[22:06] <Daskreech> pk: I know I can walk you through that but I'd not like to do that for the wrong drivers
[22:06] <alyssa_> thanks   for your  help daskreech
[22:06] <alyssa_> I think I will surf the web for a bit
[22:07] <alyssa_> bye,   bye :)
[22:07] <james147> alyssa_: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same system, with different gui... so at command line they are basically the same so you can still mostly copy and paste fron ubuntu tutorials... you just have to remember to edit any gui parts (such as using kdesudo instad of gksu   and using kate instead of gedit)
[22:07] <Daskreech> and technically Daxar helped you :)
[22:08] <Daxar> Nah, Daskreech helped more than I did.
[22:08] <Daskreech> james147: You do know that's gibberish to anyone coming from windows out of frustration right? :-D
[22:08] <james147> Daskreech: :p
[22:09] <Daskreech> but good information in any case
[22:09] <pk> Hello again james
[22:09] <Daxar> Makes sense to me. But I was a nerd before I came to Linux. :P
[22:09] <pk> it didnt work ;;_;; Daskreech, here is the driver nvidia is telling me to use
[22:09] <pk> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.44.run
[22:10] <james147> pk: can you describe your problems again (just to avoid any confusion ^^ and so other can help)
[22:12] <pk> well, im using a TC as a monitor, using a PC input. The screens resolution is 1920x1080. I installed the reccomended drivers in the additional drivers section, but that made all text illegible. I then changed the font settings to be a minimum of 96 DPI (not font size). Now the text is legible (except for the log in screen). But the everything is onscenely small. My resolution is set on 1920x1080, as it should be. Also my splash
[22:12] <pk> screen is broken -_-
[22:13] <pk> TV**
[22:14] <james147> pk: well, the settings didnt affect the login screen as you only changed your personal settings ^^
[22:14] <pk> Thats makes sense, But in the end should I not have the change that? I feel like the recommended driver is not what I need
[22:14] <james147> pk: try changing the font size in system settings > login manader
[22:15] <pk> the nvidia website recommends this driver "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.44.run"
[22:15] <james147> pk: possibally
[22:15] <james147> what graphics card?
[22:15] <pk> GeForce 9400 Gt
[22:16] <james147> pk: well you could try installing the drivers form their site
[22:16] <james147> see if it helps
[22:16] <pk> Im not sure how, Says I need to close xserver
[22:17] <BluesKaj> pk , there's something else wong , perhaps the TV settings themselves should be looked at , if you are using the hdmi input from your grapphics card , the resolution should bri8ng the fonts readable if you set the fonts at  12 or so.
[22:17] <james147> pk: ahh yeah, it needs to bhe done via command line when no gui is running :p
[22:18] <BluesKaj> ok, bbl ...dinner
[22:18] <pk> Ill look into it thank you
[22:19]  * Daskreech \o/'s
[22:19] <Daskreech> BluesKaj is back :)
[22:19] <james147> pk: to stop the gui run "sudo kdm stop"  that should drop you to a command login, you should be able to log in, install the driver then run "sudo kdm start" to restart the gui
[22:19] <Daskreech> pk: YOu can jump to a virtual terminal and back?
[22:19] <james147> pk: though it would help to fimilrise yourself with the terminal first :)
[22:19] <Daskreech> or do you know how to ?
[22:21] <pk> I dont believe I know how'
[22:21] <pk> well actually, Ill be right back
[22:24] <pk> I know what to do, though it states xserver is still running after sudo kdm sto
[22:24] <pk> stop*
[22:25] <Daskreech> pk: shouldn't be
[22:25] <james147> weird :p
[22:25] <pk> hmmm.
[22:25] <Daskreech> pk: The fact you are still logged in here means it does though
[22:25] <Daskreech> pk: lets try this. sudo apt-get install irssi
[22:25] <BluesKaj> no need to stop the xserver as long as kdm is stopped , the xserver will start again after finishing the install when you reboot which is the best thing to do.
[22:26] <pk> im a bit lost
[22:26] <pk> do I just type "sudo kdm stop" or do I CTRL+ALT+F1 then sudo stop kdm
[22:26] <pk> sudo kdm stop*
[22:26] <james147> pk: either should work
[22:27] <Daskreech> pk: wait
[22:27] <Daskreech> do the sudo apt-get install irssi first
[22:27] <james147> although its recomended to logout then switch to a vertual terminal
[22:27] <dust--> hi, how can i install the latest kdevelop 4.1.1 on member:ubuntu (gnome)?
[22:27] <james147> ^^ and do what Daskreech said, its a nice command line irc client :) means we can talk to you when your not running a gui :)
[22:28] <pk> awesome
[22:28] <pk> It just finished ^^
[22:29] <pk> though im not sure how to use it
[22:30]  * james147 suggest launching it, and testing it in konsole 
[22:30] <pk> I.. umm. Dont know how to lauch it >.<
[22:31] <james147> pk: run "irssi" in konsole
[22:31] <pk> that sure was simple
[22:31] <pk> Now I have
[22:31] <pk>  [15:31] [] [1]
[22:31] <pk> [(status)]
[22:33] <james147> pk: now type "/connect irc.freenode.net" to connect to freenode
[22:33] <james147> then "/join #kubuntu" to join this channel
[22:33] <pk_> Alright im here twice now : D
[22:34] <Daskreech> pk_: Sweet :)
[22:34] <Daskreech> Want to go for three time?
[22:34] <pk_> Maybe next lesson : D
[22:34] <Daskreech> jump into alt+Ctrl+F1 and type irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[22:34] <Daskreech> then /j #kubuntu
[22:34] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, he's already here
[22:35] <james147> BluesKaj: but wont be when he stops kdm
[22:35] <_sophia> sound is broken, help? x.x
[22:35] <Daskreech> _sophia: What's happening
[22:35] <pk____> Alright, im in here 3 times : D
[22:35] <Daskreech> pk____: Muwahahaha
[22:35] <james147> _sophia: run "alsamixer" ina terminal, make sure no channels are muted or turned down
[22:35] <BluesKaj> he's here as pk and pk_
[22:35] <pk____> also, im inthe virtyal console
[22:36] <pk____> And I cannot remember how to type
[22:36] <pk____> <,M
[22:36] <james147> pk: alt+crtl+f2 to switch to the second vt, then try to stop kdm
[22:36]  * james147 assumes you have the driver downloaded
[22:37] <pk____> How do I tell if it works?
[22:37] <pk____> And yes I have it downloaded <3
[22:37] <BluesKaj> pk___ , ctrl+alt+f2 , then sudo service kdm stop
[22:37] <james147> pk: alt+crtl+F7 will go to a blank screen
[22:37] <pk____> win.
[22:37] <pk____> uhhh its checking battery state on F7
[22:37] <james147> (and try F8 as well, sometimes it ends up there :p
[22:38] <pk____> and F8 does nothing
[22:38] <BluesKaj> ok ...I'll take a break here t
[22:38] <james147> pk____: thats fine :) means nothing is running on a+c+f7
[22:38] <pk____> I assume not if its checking battery state
[22:38] <james147> pk____: ok, sounds like its stoped, try running the installer
[22:38] <pk____> Alright ^^
[22:38] <_sophia> problem solved: 'front' was on 0 in alsamixer for some reason
[22:39] <_sophia> i still have the problem where alsamixer won't let me increase headphone volume though
[22:39] <james147> pk____: checking battery status is the last line displayed in the boot and will remain on that screen, jsut ignore it
[22:39] <pk____> worked perfectly, Last time I wasnt using service kdm stop
[22:39] <pk____> just sudo kdm stop
[22:39] <pk____> it says "The dirstobution pre-install script failed"
[22:40]  * james147 was wrong ^^ its sudo stop kdm or sudo service kdm stop :S
[22:40] <pk____> though I can continue anyway
[22:40] <danubio> hola
[22:40] <james147> but anyway :)
[22:40] <pk____> Distrubution*
[22:41] <pk____> though I have the option to continue anyway, shall I do that?
[22:41] <Daskreech> _sophia: what are you using for the headphone volume?
[22:42] <james147> pk____: umm.. probally
[22:42] <pk____> lol, I shall try
[22:42] <james147> pk____: did you run the install as root?
[22:43] <pk____> I did
[22:43] <pk____> Alright, installation is compleyte
[22:44] <pk____> now before I reboot do I need to go to the additional drivers are and deactivate that driver or will it be done automatically
[22:45] <pk____> Deactivate the reccomended driver I mean
[22:45] <BluesKaj> the install will have removed the old driver and installed the new one
[22:45] <pk____> alright ill be right back
[22:46] <pk____> uhh. nevermind. How do I restart from the terminal >.<
[22:46] <BluesKaj> pk___ sudo nvidia-xconfig
[22:46] <james147> pk____: "sudo reboot"
[22:46] <pk____> will do
[22:46] <james147> pk____: although you dont need to
[22:47] <pk____> need to nvidia config?
[22:47] <james147> pk____: you should just beable to start X again
[22:47] <james147> pk____: it shouldnt hurt ^^
[22:47] <BluesKaj> pk____, to be safe yes
[22:47] <Daskreech> pk____: sudo service kdm start
[22:47] <james147> (or "sudo start kdm")
[22:48] <pk____> It states that the new xconfigure file was written.
[22:48] <pk____> start kdm now?
[22:49] <BluesKaj> pk____, reboot would be best at this point IMO
[22:49] <pk____> Alright, I will be right back
[22:51] <BluesKaj> same here  , I have fan issues , brb
[22:52]  * Daskreech begs BluesKaj not to leave him
[22:52] <_sophia> >.<
[22:52] <Daskreech> I'm your Biggest Fan!!!
[22:52]  * Daskreech has fan issues
[22:52] <james147> Daskreech: it to late, hes abandoned you...
[22:52] <Daskreech> _sophia: how are you changing headphones volumes ?
[22:52] <pk> Gah >.<
[22:52] <Daskreech> james147: that would be the issue :)
[22:53] <_sophia> i don't use headphones at all
[22:53] <_sophia> it works/worked for the default audio player
[22:53] <_sophia> but it doesn't for browsers :l
[22:53] <james147> _sophia: ie flash?
[22:53] <pk> Well I rebooted. Splash is still broken. And now it booted me into the virtual machine. I used sudo start kdm, but it states kdm is already running. Checked machines 7 and 8
[22:53] <_sophia> james147, yes, youtube and such
[22:53]  * james147 grumbles about flash being flash 
[22:53] <_sophia> i listen to a lot of music =)
[22:54] <pk> 8 is blank, 7 states setting sensor limits.
[22:54] <pk> *rage
[22:54] <james147> _sophia: try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5
[22:54] <james147> :)
[22:54] <_sophia> i dunno
[22:54] <fabio> ciao a tutti
[22:54] <_sophia> would rather fix the issue as is :O
[22:55] <pk> So now although kdm is running, I dont have a GUI
[22:55] <james147> pk: sudo restart kdm
[22:56] <pk> Screen flashes then sends me back to the VM
[22:56] <pk> "kdm/start running, process 1617"
[22:56] <james147> pk: if that dosnt work then "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo restart kdm" << that will delete xorgs config and should default to the open driver (you can move it instead of deleteing it if you want to keep a backup)
[22:57] <pk> so the driver from the nvidia website didnt work?
[22:57] <james147> nop
[22:57] <pk> . /cry
[22:58] <BluesKaj> pk , the nvidia website recnded driver breaks the xserver ..already tried it
[22:59] <pk> well now Im back with a shiny blue wallpaper. Same text problems. I feel pretty helpless
[23:00]  * Daskreech plays it cool that BluesKaj is back
[23:00] <BluesKaj> pk the driver for your card is 270.30
[23:00] <Daskreech> _sophia: Which browser?
[23:00] <_sophia> i use firefox for almost everything
[23:00] <pk> That would make sense as the recommended driver is 270.29, and doesnt work
[23:01] <_sophia> i still haven't installed decent IRC client, so i'm using chrome for IRC lol
[23:01] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: can you show him how to get that? the driver from the Website is 260
[23:01] <BluesKaj> pk, can you check that in kmenu/apps/settings ?
[23:02] <livingdaylight> nite guys... thanks for everything today
[23:02] <pk> goodnight
[23:02] <pk_> Alright, what am I checking for herE?
[23:03] <BluesKaj> pk that driver should be the recommended one in kmenu/apps/system/additional drivers
[23:03] <pk_> It states "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version current)
[23:04] <BluesKaj> pk_, kmenu/apps/settings/Nvidia ?
[23:05] <pk_> It says im not using an nvidia driver, although I am judging by the other screen. allow me to reboot
[23:07] <BluesKaj> those damm nvidia drivers recommended on the website cause a lot of probs
[23:08] <pk> Well, im using the driver that you had reccomended, but the nvidia setting state that im not
[23:08] <pk> Maybe I should roll back to kubuntu 10.04 >.>
[23:09] <BluesKaj> pk, what is the connection to your tv / monitor ?
[23:11] <pk> VGA, its older until I can get a card that supports HDMOI
[23:11] <pk> HDMI*
[23:11] <BluesKaj> no wonder ...i assumed it was hdmi
[23:12] <pk> Cant afford a card that supports HDMI
[23:12] <BluesKaj> or at least dvi/hdmi
[23:13] <pk> The TV doesnt support DVI >.< only HDMI/VGA
[23:14] <BluesKaj> pk yes you can buy dvi to hdmi cables, that's what I used
[23:14] <BluesKaj> err use
[23:14] <pk> Ill have to look into that
[23:14] <roberto___> Can somebody tell me why the recommended download for Kubuntu is 32 bits??
[23:15] <pk> but as of now... Im using an nvidia driver but neither of the two nvidia settings applications are working
[23:15] <Daskreech> roberto___: Cause it will work
[23:15] <pk> Im also on 64 bit. Which ill assume is another problem?
[23:15] <Daskreech> pk: It won't be
[23:15] <roberto___> 64 bits has problems I assume??
[23:15] <Daskreech> Well not too much
[23:16] <Daskreech> roberto___: No it doesn't but many many people don't have very good grasp of what's in the computer
[23:16] <BluesKaj> pk, I guess you should use the nouveau driver for vga
[23:16] <Daskreech> 32 bits is pretty much assured to work. You need special extensions for 64 Bit
[23:16] <pk> alright, how do I purge the nvidia drivers?
[23:17] <roberto___> OK THANKS
[23:17] <Daskreech> and while they are widespread if someone doesn't know about them they can get the ISO and not be able to install
[23:17] <BluesKaj> anyway time to watch some tv .....
[23:24] <lente> Hi there. I have 2 questions. I installed Kubuntu 10.10 and recommanced nvidia driver. Is it normal that window resizing decreases my fps to about 10?
[23:25]  * james147 suggest disabling the desktop effects to see if thats whats casing the fps drop
[23:37] <lente> james147: no difference. but thats not the important question. I use a german keyboard. The autocompletion in texmaker vanishes if I press buttons like AltGr or Strg. Is there a possibility to stop this behavior?
[23:53] <BluesKaj> just checking in for a few mins...guess I missed pk
[23:56] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, did he use the nouveau driver , because vga on 42" tv is a difficult res to setup
[23:56] <Daskreech> I wasn't here either
[23:56] <Daskreech> james147 was
[23:56] <Daskreech> or you know
[23:56] <BluesKaj> ok james147 ?
[23:56] <Daskreech> pk  :)
[23:56] <Daskreech> Could just ask him
[23:57] <Daskreech> assuming that pk is a him
[23:57] <pk> Hello again everyone
[23:57] <BluesKaj> not here
[23:57] <Daskreech> Hello again :)
[23:57] <BluesKaj> ok , pk :)
[23:57] <pk> I did a fresh install, and am going to get the nouveau vga drivers ^^; I believe thats what I need yes?
[23:57] <Daskreech> _sophia: Did you fix the headphones?
[23:58] <BluesKaj> I hve 2 mins pk , nouveau yes
[23:58] <BluesKaj> pk ,that will help for sure
[23:58] <pk> nouveau firmware?
[23:58] <BluesKaj> nouveau driver
[23:59] <BluesKaj> ok  good luck
[23:59] <pk> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-dbg?
[23:59] <pk> Thank you have a good time doing whatever it is you doing ^^;