[00:55] <SchleuderPeter> hey! maybe someone could help me. i switched the VGA from ati rage xl with 8mb to a rage 128 pro with 32 mb. now the lubuntu is not booting. people in ubuntu forums say, it must be a problem with the L of lubuntu
[01:00] <SchleuderPeter> nobody here who could help me?
[04:28] <thraspic> in lxde i'd like to change just the colors of the main menu, is there a config file where this stuff can be customized?
[04:51] <jmarsden> aetherian: zork (Z-machine) interpreters for Linux already exist.  sudo apt-get install frotz
[08:32] <gnewb> Huh?
[08:35] <wolfpack> gnewb: ??
[08:36]  * jmarsden thinks... after three hours of silence in the channel, gnewb says "Huh?" ... that is a hard question to answer well :) gnewb, can you be more specific?
[08:41] <gnewb> Oh my, someone is actually here, I am shocked and amazed, now, I have some KDE stuff on this install, I added K3B but now I have all this other stuff that is KDE'ish'.
[08:42] <jmarsden> How exactly did you add k3b ?   Maybe you did sudo apt-get install k3b     and forgot the --no-install-recommends  switch?
[08:43] <gnewb> I really could not get xfburn to function properly, so that was my workaround, now that I am done, do I just replace the system or kernel from a backup, oh ,I think it was in synaptic.
[08:43] <jmarsden> OK, I suspect it may pull in a pile of recommends by default.
[08:44] <gnewb> I think it did,,,a bunch of stuff.
[08:45] <bioterror> xfburn relies to HAL
[08:46] <jmarsden> Being a command-line kind of person, I tend to use wodim :)
[08:47] <gnewb> xfburn is in the default install?
[08:48] <jmarsden> Yes.  Under Sound and Video in the menus.  However, at 01:48AM local time, I should go to bed and let bioterror answer :)
[08:49] <bioterror> dont you!
[08:49] <bioterror> I'm at work and totally busy once again :(
[08:49] <bioterror> I miss times when I had time to IRC
[08:49] <gnewb> 0348 , actually , 1048Zulu, I think
[08:50] <jmarsden> I'm at home and pretty tired... and just did some slightly weird fixes for php5 in Natty -- the new multiarch stuff has broken its configure script... bug #739977
[08:52] <jmarsden> Goodnight all (or maybe good morning!)
[08:52] <gnewb> Thank you
[08:57] <gnewb> eltigre: See at about the bottom of the last link I posted?
[09:02] <gnewb> eltigre: This one has some data on that exact thing:> http://lists.therestfulway.com/pipermail/webmachine_lists.therestfulway.com/2010-August/000276.html
[09:04] <gnewb> whoops
[14:40] <esing123> hey lubuntu community
[14:40] <esing123> how do I run this as autostart in lubuntu: /usr/bin/x11vnc -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass -o /tmp/x11vnc.log -forever -bg -rfbport 5900 -nomodtweak
[14:41] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ there's guide for autostart on login
[14:41] <esing123> I know about etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but I think I cannot use the autostasrt for the line
[14:41] <esing123> thx bioterror
[14:43] <esing123> hmm bioterror . Can I use the session autostart for the whole line: /usr/bin/x11vnc -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass -o /tmp/x11vnc.log -forever -bg -rfbport 5900 -nomodtweak                 too ?
[14:43] <bioterror> should be possible
[14:44] <esing123> would I have to create a .desktop file and put that line in there?
[14:44] <bioterror> yes
[14:44] <esing123> thx :)
[14:50] <esing123> strange it is not listed in desktop session settings
[14:50] <esing123> I have created x11vnc.desktop in ~/.config/autostart/
[14:57] <esing123> OK. I copied the x11vnc.desktop file to ~/.config/autostart/       ... How do I adjust this line into the .desktop file?  /usr/bin/x11vnc -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass -o /tmp/x11vnc.log -forever -bg -rfbport 5900 -nomodtweak
[14:59] <esing123> bioterror?
[15:00] <bioterror> Exec=/usr/bin/x11vnc -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass -o /tmp/x11vnc.log -forever -bg -rfbport 5900 -nomodtweak
[15:03] <esing123> My original .desktop file in /usr/.../applications/ has a different Exec then than in autostart . does this matter or I can do this?
[15:04] <bioterror> you want it to have a different exec, right?
[15:04] <esing123> yep
[15:05] <esing123> Only for the autostart
[15:07] <esing123> *have to reboot to test vnc*
[15:21] <esing123> thanks bioterror it worked
[15:21] <bioterror> ofcourse it worked ;)
[15:21] <bioterror> you made it!
[15:21] <esing123> :))
[15:21] <bioterror> why wouldnt it work
[16:22] <esing123> Someone has an idea about VNC linux server ?
[17:11] <esing123> hi
[17:11] <esing123> bioterror
[17:11] <esing123> the reason why vnc does not work is somehow the wrong exec path
[17:12] <esing123> if I start x11vnc manually it works
[17:12] <esing123> but I want to autostart it _plus_ have it open forever
[18:48] <silverarrow> hi
[18:48] <silverarrow> anyone here?
[18:48] <aetherian> yes
[18:50] <silverarrow> I have a new USB wireless adaptor lubuntu will not detect
[18:50] <aetherian> hmm
[18:50] <silverarrow> I am now booted up in puppy, it managed to find it
[18:50] <silverarrow> any idea how to go about it?
[18:51] <aetherian> uhh
[18:51] <aetherian> not many people are actually /here/ here
[18:51] <aetherian> and I can't help you
[18:51] <silverarrow> There is a tiny driver CD with linux drivers for the ralink card, but I cannot manage to install in or unpack it
[18:51] <aetherian> why not
[18:51] <aetherian> what's the error
[18:51] <silverarrow> I shall have to try ubuntu then¸ it's basically the same
[18:52] <aetherian> o.o
[18:52] <aetherian> except bloated
[18:52] <aetherian> get debian :>
[18:52] <silverarrow> It will not unpack the linux driver, in boot, I have tried to open from several applications
[18:53] <silverarrow> oh, the ubuntu room I mean, I can't use ubuntu on this laptop lol
[18:53] <aetherian> ...
[18:53] <aetherian> why won't it unpack it
[18:53] <aetherian> error message?
[18:54] <silverarrow> I get not enough rights, or just cannot open
[18:54] <aetherian> ...
[18:54] <aetherian> have you been doing it with superuser?
[18:54] <silverarrow> I open it root, and there's an option where you fill in password
[18:54] <silverarrow> well, I have only one user on the computer
[18:54] <aetherian> you're using the command "su"?
[18:55] <aetherian> say sudo (insert command here)
[18:55] <silverarrow> I tried access the cd from synaptic but it would not detec cd,
[18:55] <silverarrow> no, I am totally terminal illiterate
[18:55] <aetherian> type "sudo (depackage command)
[18:55] <aetherian> "
[18:56] <aetherian> and everyone knows that rm -rf ~/ helps a lot
[18:56] <aetherian> ^joke
[18:56] <silverarrow> it's a mini CD with lots of driver options, mac, all the windows versions, and linux, do you think it will find the right one from terminal?
[18:57] <aetherian> if you specify the right one >.>
[18:58] <silverarrow> ajajaj
[18:58] <silverarrow> I might just install puppy on the harddrive
[18:58] <silverarrow> lol
[18:58] <aetherian> .-.
[18:58] <aetherian> thou fail
[18:59] <silverarrow> lubuntu is suppose to be a bit more stable as full install
[19:01] <aetherian> lubuntu is nice and easy for beginners
[19:01] <aetherian> and lxde>gnome
[19:01] <bioterror> os x is nice and easy for beginners
[19:01] <bioterror> they can just watch that trippy screensaver
[19:01] <aetherian> ...
[19:01] <aetherian> os x if fail for all users
[19:02] <bioterror> what?
[19:03] <silverarrow> hmm
[19:04] <silverarrow> but is there no easy way to install drivers from cd?
[19:04] <aetherian> there is
[19:04] <silverarrow> when I boot up in lubuntu again, I shall have no internet
[19:04] <aetherian> just install the damn thing
[19:05] <silverarrow> "#¤£$½¥ I have tried
[19:05] <bioterror> have you read the manual
[19:05] <silverarrow> it resists
[19:05] <bioterror> have you checked the cd for README
[19:05] <bioterror> or INSTALL
[19:05] <bioterror> or what ever content it has
[19:05] <aetherian> RTFM >:
[19:06] <bioterror> :>
[19:06] <bioterror> use wire connection?
[19:06] <silverarrow> yes
[19:06] <silverarrow> the detailed explanation is only for windows
[19:06] <silverarrow> linux users have to fend for them selves
[19:06] <silverarrow> however, the linux drivers are there
[19:07] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe,
[19:08] <silverarrow> I would actually just go for puppy, if I could figure a way to make it boot from full harddrive install
[19:09] <aetherian> don't get puppy >.>
[19:09] <bioterror> yeah, go with the TinyCore
[19:09] <bioterror> :---)
[19:10] <aetherian> :D
[19:10] <aetherian> (I'm in the channel, actually)
[19:10] <aetherian> I use that at times
[19:11] <bioterror> DSL is dead, if I recall right
[19:11] <aetherian> DSL fails it
[19:11] <aetherian> tomsrtbt all the way
[19:11] <bioterror> but I cant imagine myself running something called "puppy" ;)
[19:11] <bioterror> ps. I hate dogs
[19:11] <bioterror> and cats
[19:11] <aetherian> ...yay tomsrtbt...
[19:13] <silverarrow> well, then it is all about makeing my new wireless work
[19:13] <silverarrow> maybe I shall have to buy an old model, one that lubuntu have all drivers for
[19:14] <silverarrow> this is so daft
[19:15] <bioterror> your first mistake was buying a wireless card without first checking if it has a built in drivers in kernel
[19:15] <silverarrow> well, I just bought one
[19:16] <bioterror> but mount that CD and check what it has inside it
[19:16] <bioterror> we cannot do it for you
[19:17] <silverarrow> it had a linux penguin in it
[19:17] <silverarrow> on it*
[19:17] <silverarrow> it is the latest card from Ralink I think, it will probably be standard next ubuntu edition
[19:17] <silverarrow> puppy have clever driver install stuff
[19:17] <silverarrow> lubuntu might just be a bit dim and not recongize it
[19:18] <bioterror> what?
[19:18] <bioterror> why dont you then boot into your perfect Puppy Linux and stop disliking Lubuntu
[19:19] <bioterror> (ps. it has the same kernel from kernel.org ;)
[19:20] <aetherian> it still fails
[19:20] <aetherian> I say get TCL
[19:20] <aetherian> tcl>arch
[19:21] <bioterror> hoh
[19:24] <bioterror> "The real Puppy, the mascot for Puppy Linux, was a very tiny dog, a Chihuahua, but totally fearless."
[19:24] <bioterror> I hate that kind of small dogs, always barking with their annoying voice, and when you step closer to it, it will piss all over the places and run away
[19:31] <aetherian> I just hate dogs
[19:32] <aetherian> what is the difference, apart from some applications, between ubuntu and lubuntu, except that lubuntu uses lxde?
[20:00] <bioterror> aetherian, hmmm, Lubuntu runs on Openbox+LXDE and Ubuntu is GNOME
[20:01] <bioterror> aetherian, and Lubuntu tries to avoid Gnome packages, but that's impossible atm. ;)
[20:13] <tar-gz> Hi!
[20:16] <head_victim> Gday!
[20:25] <silverarrow> hi
[20:25] <head_victim> Gday how are you
[20:25] <silverarrow> fine thanks
[20:26] <silverarrow> I'm still struggeling with a driver package on CD
[20:26] <silverarrow> I have a new USB wifi
[20:26] <head_victim> What's the brand and model?
[20:26] <silverarrow> it is a ralink card inside at least
[20:27] <silverarrow> and it is marked december 2010
[20:27] <head_victim> Did you buy it online?
[20:27] <silverarrow> maybe it is too new for ubuntu to have added them?
[20:28] <silverarrow> yes
[20:28] <head_victim> Can you give a link to it?
[20:32] <silverarrow> slow sorry
[20:32] <silverarrow> thing is I have to install opera, I am in puppy
[20:34] <silverarrow> I managed to load windows driver in puppy that recogniced the usb wifi
[20:34] <head_victim> Ah that's ok, Just trying to see if I can help and a link should give me enough info to see if I can find more for you
[20:34] <head_victim> If it works in puppy it should work ok in Ubuntu as long as you have all the dependencies installed
[20:34] <aetherian> why do you need opera D:
[20:34] <silverarrow> default browser in puppy is dillo, no pictures on anything
[20:34] <silverarrow> a bit weird browser
[20:35] <aetherian> try links :)
[20:35] <aetherian> but really
[20:35] <aetherian> don't use opera
[20:35] <aetherian> use something open source :)
[20:36] <silverarrow> I usually use opera and firefox, they work with everything
[20:36] <bioterror> dillo gives pictures
[20:36] <bioterror> I've used it on SalixOS LXDE
[20:36] <aetherian> also I hear chromium is good
[20:37] <bioterror> and opera is good, but adblock sucks
[20:37] <bioterror> hard to get rid of empty spaces on webpages
[20:38] <bioterror> that's just too huge disadvantage that I use opera only on mobile devices
[20:39] <silverarrow> thing is, lubuntu doesn't detect the usb wireless at all
[20:40] <head_victim> silverarrow: might need a modprobe or two
[20:44] <silverarrow> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-150M-USB-WiFi-802-11n-g-Wireless-Lan-Card-Adapter-/250792369631?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item3a6463dddf
[20:45] <silverarrow> that took a long time
[20:45] <silverarrow> sorry head_victim
[20:46] <head_victim> Wow, there is surprisingly little detail in that description
[20:46] <head_victim> I'll have a look around and see what I can find.
[20:46] <Unit193> lsusb might help
[20:46] <head_victim> If it works under puppy can you put into pastebin the result of lsusb
[20:46] <head_victim> !pastebin
[20:46] <head_victim> Unit193: great minds think alike :)
[20:47] <silverarrow> the drivers are ralink
[20:47] <silverarrow> Ralink Version AU06, and install path RTL8188
[20:48] <head_victim> AH ok that's something we can use
[20:48] <silverarrow> in puppy I managed to use the xp drivers found in the CD
[20:49] <head_victim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1526849&page=4
[20:49] <head_victim> I'd start there :)
[20:49] <silverarrow> my old network adapter was ralink too, but it worked fine
[20:50] <silverarrow> thanks
[20:50] <head_victim> If it has working firmware you might just need to copy it to the correct folder though
[20:51] <head_victim> The other option might be to plug it in and then search for non free drivers and see if it finds them that way
[20:51] <silverarrow> there's drivers for all the windows versions, mac and linux, but really hard to install them
[20:51] <silverarrow> I have read all the read me files, but no helå
[20:52] <head_victim> Well in the forum post it shows you where you need to copy the files to so instead of wget'ing the ones off the website just copy them from your cd
[20:55] <silverarrow> hmm
[20:56] <head_victim> In the past I've copied firmware into /lib/firmware and then modprobed it to make sure it worked then added it to the boot up modprobe
[20:57] <silverarrow> I wish they would have fixed the bug somehow
[20:58] <silverarrow> bad network cards
[20:59] <head_victim> The problem is the firmware probably isn't open source so it probably can't be included in the kernel or in the repositories
[20:59] <silverarrow> might be
[20:59] <head_victim> That's the issue I've had with every device I've had to play around with the firmware for
[21:00] <Unit193> head_victim: Doesn't *ubuntu have a tool to find the drivers for you? (I know it works with nvidia)
[21:00] <silverarrow> the ralink hompage have all kinds of driver available for free, but installation is a mind pussle
[21:00] <head_victim> Unit193: that was the "the other option was to plug it in and search for non free drivers" but yeah probably wasn't clear enough
[21:01] <silverarrow> there might me a solution though, because eventually the ralink / realtech driver are included in ubuntu driver packages
[21:01] <silverarrow> at least many of them
[21:01] <Unit193> I got that part (I was thinking you could do that) I just didn't know if that would get new ralink drivers
[21:02] <head_victim> silverarrow: as long as they are open source ones then yes
[21:03] <silverarrow> I should think so, because the Ralink company boasts about linux friendly hardware, and work together with open source oriented people
[21:03] <Jef91> Anyon else get "error permission denied" when opening PCManFM as root in their user's home folder?
[21:04] <head_victim> Jef91: yes I do
[21:05] <head_victim> Now I can't get it to close :;/
[21:05] <Jef91> hit OK
[21:05] <Jef91> and then it works fine
[21:05] <Jef91> its just a very annoying error message
[21:05] <head_victim> I've hit ok about 100 times now
[21:05] <head_victim> kill time
[21:05] <head_victim> I didn't gksudo though so that might have been the issue
[21:06] <Jef91> does it via sudo and gksudo
[21:06] <Jef91> gksudo is just a grahical sudo head_victim
[21:06] <Unit193> head_victim: xkill >:)
[21:07] <head_victim> Unit193: kill -9 works for me ;)
[21:07] <head_victim> I can't get my USB floppy drive to work under Ubuntu though, annoying
[21:08] <bioterror> Unit193, http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/ moore leet way to do it
[21:11]  * Unit193 also loves htop :)
[21:14] <Unit193> bioterror: Wow... just wow.... I take it you use that one?
[21:28] <bioterror> Unit193, I tried it back in the 90's ;)
[21:29] <bioterror> but that's coolest way to "kill" process