[05:44] hey hey [05:44] hello [05:45] what's cracking? [05:45] some stuff diferent day :P [05:50] how are you halpbatman [05:50] did you have any questions or just lurking :) [05:50] pretty good [05:50] got a spare usb thumb [05:50] looking for things to do with it [05:50] nice [05:51] maybe a small linux install, like tiny core linux [05:52] i'm just lurking [05:52] yeah i got a linux on another flash already [05:53] i just found this one lying around in my house [05:53] always nice to find another thumb drive [05:54] yeah cause you lose them so easily [05:54] lol [05:54] it's like finding money in your laundry [05:54] it's yours to begin with [05:54] lol [05:54] but when you find it [05:54] it's epic [05:54] i have not done that in awhile [05:54] lrn to do laundry brah [05:54] i found a 20 in my coat one winter (had been in their since the previous winter) [05:54] :P [05:55] jk [05:55] what about a ram disk [05:55] lol my mom used to hide money in winter clothes [05:55] so i'd randomly find bills [05:56] guess using a thumbdrive for more ram would only be cool if your computer had limited ram [05:56] mmm ram eh? [05:56] isn't usb 2.0 too slow for that? [06:00] i do not think so [06:01] it will be slower then RAM, but faster then swap disk [06:02] hmmm interesting. [06:03] would this still work if my motherboard only supports upto 2gb of ram and i already have 2 gb? [06:06] ummm [06:06] not sure. looking to see if i can find the forum post [06:06] about it [06:07] that is interesting idea though... [06:08] just worried about the frequent read/write as RAM on the life of flash drive [06:08] * duanedesign nods [06:08] say i find a 16gb flash that's 16gb of ram [06:14] halpbatman: looks like thread is under staff review :P I will ask my fellow staff members about this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=395435 [06:14] cool ty [06:17] i think for now i'm gonna use it as a file vault [06:17] encrypt the crap out of it [06:18] we had a beginners team member who made a cool guide on using an sd card or usb as a 'key' for an encrypted drive [06:19] yeah i actually found that [06:19] but for a 4gb flash it seems like a waste to use it as a key [06:19] maybe when i find a 256mb [06:19] lol [06:20] it's like how you need a id card scan to access work computers along with login passwords [06:20] right :) [06:20] except you'll be a badass with a diy home setup [06:21] seems like a better idea for a smaller thumbdrive [06:21] yup [06:21] i know for sure i have those old 256mb's lying around in my garage with old computer parts some where [06:22] man i remember getting those and thinking "holyyyy ssssssssss*** a 256mb in my keychaiinnnn [06:27] right [06:28] I was totally impressed when zip drive came out [06:28] lol [06:29] those were too expensive for me [06:29] good thing [06:29] 100MB was so impressive on such a small disk [06:29] before that I used Syquest drives [06:29] those were really expensive [06:29] i remember those [06:31] they were the size of a small book :P [06:31] lol [06:35] halpbatman: i saw on newegg they have 64GB flash drives now [06:35] they probablly have bigger ones... [06:36] yeah i saw a 128gb floating around on the web [06:36] too expensive [06:36] i'd just buy a ssd at that point [06:36] right [06:37] i think the 64GB one was 100+ dollars [06:38] lol [06:38] meh wait few months [06:38] it will be where 32gb s [06:38] is [06:49] well good night everyone [06:49] I'm off to bed [06:49] duanedesign: thx for your help [10:27] Hello. [11:04] 5/ [11:05] 6/ === Puck` is now known as Twitter === Twitter is now known as Puck` [14:16] hello bro s-fox [14:16] how r u? [14:16] I am fine thank you. How are you? [14:20] am fine too [14:21] am from indonesia, where do you live? [15:58] Hey everyone. Is anyone familiar with windows home server's remote access? [16:26] compare package versions between distros http://oswatershed.org/ [16:38] How can Gentoo be so obsolete duanedesign? [16:39] MrChrisDruif: obsolete or stable ;) [16:39] Obsolete holstein, that oswatershed.org keeps track of how obsolete a distro is....but I thought that Gentoo was compiling [16:39] GTG [16:47] holstein: true [16:47] hehe [16:49] I think obsolete has some connotations that goo beyond just 'a newer version is available' [16:49] s/goo/go [16:53] well, gentoo has stable and unstable packages (latter have a tilde before the architecture), so I would assume they compared that [16:54] at least it was like that last time I tried it [16:56] yep, still the case http://packages.gentoo.org/ [17:35] hello stlsaint how are you mate? === KinkyPinkie is now known as christerIsGay === christerIsGay is now known as KinkyPinkie [20:02] hello [20:02] I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since about July 10 and all has been wonderful [20:02] recently i have accepted a couple updates [20:02] ever since then my machine has been running very very slowly [20:03] I am at a loss as to what might be causing the issue [20:03] I have used top and ps aux to check to see what might be using cpu or memory, but nothing stands out [20:03] what do you mean by slowly [20:03] yet my load average often hits 2.00 or higher [20:03] It may take a min or two to load irc chat [20:04] it might take 2 min to load firefox [20:04] this has never happend in all the time i have had the machine running [20:04] just since my last set of updates [20:04] currently i have regressed back 2 updates [20:04] to see if it is truley a kernel issue [20:04] or something else [20:05] I am just at a loss as to how to troubleshoot this [20:11] DrDetroit, sounds weird. are you sure your hard drive is okay? [20:12] I am pretty sure its ok bioterror [20:12] it was working fine before the updates [20:12] currently after regressing back 2 updates i have not seen the problem reappear [20:12] but its still early [20:12] hehe [20:12] i have used both top ps -aux and itop to try and isolate the issue [20:13] I dont know much about itop though [20:13] top and ps aux show no unusual cpu or mem usuage [20:13] it is very weird [20:13] and upsetting [20:13] since i have junked all my winblows machines and turned them into linux boxes [20:13] hehe [20:13] that's the spirit [20:14] i have been all linux/unix for a while now [20:14] i have been using linux since redhat 3.0 but new to ubuntu [20:14] wish most of new comers in here does the same [20:14] 3.0, niice, my first was redhat 5.2 ;) [20:14] debian was my preferred os but i have been leaning to ubuntu for my desktop because it is much nicer than debian [20:15] hehe i still run a redhat 7.3 here [20:15] and i have all the rpm'sand updates to it [20:15] but when it finbally craps out i will change it to something else [20:15] its been running since 02 without a hitch [20:15] so why turn it off [20:16] any ideas on how to try to troubleshoot this once i move back to the most current updated kernels i have? [20:17] Hi all! [20:17] I recently published my new project [20:17] hi [20:17] and I need help [20:17] please look lp:740453 [20:18] The idea of bug is that when I try to run new process [20:18] by QThread [20:18] program crashed [20:19] I am a newbie to ubuntu so I won't be any good to you [20:19] hehe [20:19] bug 740453 [20:19] Launchpad bug 740453 in as "Program crashes after the second approach of compile" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740453 [20:19] yes [20:19] sorry just getting a link so I can have a look and see if I'm any good to you [20:20] It has the word compile in it so it's not looking like I'll be much use, hold on though just reading [20:20] bdfhjk: that bug report is really empty, you should add LOTS more detail [20:21] The problems lay in it [20:21] that I don't know what can add more [20:21] Well I wouldn't even know how to replicate. I would start by adding in the steps you took and where it went wrong. [20:21] ok [20:21] That way we can at least test to see if it is reproducible or an issue with your local setup [20:22] I am not an expert on bugs though so someone else might be able to give you a hand or I'd suggest asking for advice in #ubuntu-bugs [20:23] bioterror 30 min no issues using older kernel [20:23] ok [20:23] I added more info [20:23] too strange [20:31] bdfhjk, head_victim: a correction -- #ubuntu-bugs deals with bugs in Ubuntu. This is not one... this is an issue on programming [20:31] bdfhjk: Ah it's not even in a PPA for installation? Makes it hard to troubleshoot if it's hard to install [20:31] Hm... [20:31] hggdh: yeah sorry I didn't realise it wasn't a Ubuntu program before offering the advice :/ [20:32] head_victim, no problem. [20:32] it wasn't yet [20:32] :-) [20:32] What I can release it in PPA? [20:32] I can simply do that by checkinstall? [20:33] bdfhjk, as I said, this is a problem with programming; anyway, it is very difficult to even try to understand the issue if there is no deployable binaries, and no stacktrace [20:34] I know [20:34] but I can publish binaries [20:34] because of internal error in launchpad [20:34] when I try to do it [20:34] bdfhjk, now another point -- the bug you opened is a bug against *your* project... which means the project's developers will lok at it... which means *YOU* ;-) [20:35] I need advice [20:35] hehe me too [20:35] * DrDetroit giggles [20:36] bdfhjk, some more points: (1) ubuntu-beginners is most probably not the best channel for that, this is a channel for _beginners_ -- who, usually, do not programm [20:37] bdfhjk, (2) even if by luck you were to hit someone here, you gave *absolutely* NO data [20:37] I feel a little lost [20:37] "my programme crashes" is not enough. We would need source, makefiles, stacktrace [20:37] What I should do ? [20:38] There is a source in trunk [20:38] ok [20:38] So I prepare that all [20:38] sorry [20:38] I am newbie in team programming [20:38] bdfhjk, how much have you programmed? [20:39] about 10 years [20:39] but I never used the stacktrace [20:39] bazaar [20:39] makefiles [20:39] etc. [20:40] Now I started contributing to ubuntu [20:40] to learn them all [20:40] bdfhjk, what`language is this programme of yours? [20:40] c++ [20:40] bdfhjk, and how much have you programmed in C++? [20:41] in c++ about ~5 years [20:41] before in python [20:41] sorry [20:41] pascal [20:41] :-) [20:41] heh [20:41] now I also program in python [20:41] but [20:42] I don't say that I am skilled [20:42] I am still learning [20:42] And this is my second program with uses threads [20:42] now, when a program crashes, usually you get error messages; if you have compiled it with debug set, you should have a bit more of data [20:42] I do all with the documentations [20:42] so one option is do run it under gdb [20:43] ok [20:43] I improve raport [20:43] but [20:44] so I must include [20:44] stacktrace [20:44] log from gdb [20:44] bdfhjk, oh, you were the one to add the -w to apport [20:44] but I can't use apport [20:44] It not working in my computer [20:44] no, because this is not an ubuntu package [20:45] Not that [20:45] apport not working at all [20:45] it freeze when I tried to use it [20:45] bdfhjk, when you ask for help on this issue, yes, you have to have stacktrace, buildable sources, the whole nine yards [20:45] for antoher, ubuntu pckages [20:46] bdfhjk, apport will *NOT* work for your issue [20:46] ok [20:46] What is the best way to generate makefile? [20:46] no matter what else. Apport will not work for Ubuntu packages... [20:46] I using QTCreator [20:47] heh [20:47] hm, how did you crash it? [20:47] now you reached my limit, I am not a QT programmer [20:47] I did manage to compile it, but without steps to crash it we can't help ;) [20:47] oh saint yofel comes to the rescue :-) [20:47] It's like a tag team in here :) [20:48] * head_victim barracks from the sidelines [20:48] well, not that I know much about Qt, but I did a bit basic qt stuff in the past [20:48] To crash my program [20:48] click on 'education' [20:48] get first task [20:48] start it [20:48] send any file [20:49] if you do this one time it should work [20:49] but if you do this second [20:49] It will crash [20:49] This is a tester for .cpp programs [20:50] bdfhjk: no 'education' to see here http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/as.png [20:50] sorry [20:51] school [20:51] Thanks for help You all [20:51] :-) [20:51] I don't know how to solve it [20:52] It looks like a newbie error [20:54] yofel: Do You see this issue? [20:54] let me first write a helloworld that complies to your rules :P [20:54] ok :-) [20:56] heh, first bug: the ok message is: Accepted [20:57] I forgot about this :-) [20:57] Try solve another [20:58] or the same [21:00] hm... [21:00] hi i downloaded and installed google earth but it wont launch. any ideas? [21:01] AJH101: does it give you any errors? [21:01] nothing at all [21:01] I'd suggest running it from the terminal and seeing what the output is [21:02] ok i can cut and paste (!) what command please? [21:02] bdfhjk: once I solved the first task, it always tells me that it accepted it, regardless of the file I give it [21:03] yofel: Also if You close it and try to solve another? [21:03] no, then it works, but I can't get it to crash yet [21:03] AJH101: actually, which method did you use to install it? I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth which might be helpful [21:03] yofel: hm... [21:04] My computer is strange... [21:04] So you can do more than one solve (file send), and it not crash? [21:06] bdfhjk: I can send as many files as I want, If they're not cpp files I get a ton of compile errors to stderr but it doesn't crash [21:08] head_victim: eureka! thanks very much [21:08] AJH101: glad I could help :) [21:10] I wish I knew that USB floppy drives were full of fail before I paid 12 dollars for this one :/ [21:10] floppy drives?! [21:10] (I must admit though, was a nice bargain at 99cents plus postage) [21:10] 1980's called me and said that head_victim should return their piece of techology back [21:10] Yeah I came across some old ones from my Uni days that have some assignments and stuff on them I want to assimilate into my storage [21:11] I figured it would be easier to use a USB floppy drive instead of trying to install an internal one [21:11] I hope you have nice 256 color gif files of Pamela Anderson and some other playboy models on those disks [21:12] No actually more presentations for my cognitive neuroscience assignments :/ [21:12] Really interesting if you want to know about research into visual illusions from 10 years ago. [21:12] yofel: Please look one more at bug 740453, I added backtrace [21:12] Launchpad bug 740453 in as "Program crashes after the second approach of compile" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740453 [21:12] OHHHHHHH I got it to work. I'm awesome and stuff. I love google [21:13] head_victim, trust me, I have done some real research about visual illusions ;) [21:14] yofel: mayby You have any idea, with is the cause of this bug in my computer [21:14] bioterror: as have I..... I was looking at stabilising images on the retina so I could super impose small eye movements to try and determine what type of small movement caused particular types of illusions so that I could try and break down why the illusions occurred. [21:24] bdfhjk: probably a thread issue, but I don't know enough to help here I fear :/ [21:24] Hi, can someone try to reproduce bug 731340 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/731340)? Or tell me if there is anything more I can do in order to help isolate the cause of this bug? [21:24] Launchpad bug 731340 in linux "LUKS is extremely slow on amd64 builds but not on i386" [Undecided,New] [21:24] Launchpad bug 731340 in linux "LUKS is extremely slow on amd64 builds but not on i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731340 [21:24] yofel: ok [21:25] yofel: Thanks for checking [21:25] :-) [21:26] np. Btw. there's no sense in having the Makefiles in bzr. I still had to run qmake first to get something that builds [21:26] qmake? [21:26] so You compiled project by QMake? [21:27] well, qmake as.pro && make [21:27] Hello, I am having a problem, I minimize a folder and a page but I cannot get it to maximize when I click on the icon I am using Ubuntu 10.10 [21:27] I got make errors with just make [21:28] I always used QTCreator to compile [21:28] :-) [21:28] How prepare the package? [21:30] errr... I have no experience packaging something that uses qmake, it's not exactly firendly for that :S [21:30] :-) [21:31] so You are the first people [21:31] 'person [21:32] who see this project [21:32] what do You think about it [21:32] What You will change in it? === sre-su_ is now known as sre-su [21:36] bdfhjk: does it remember if you passed a test? if yes it would be nice if it would tell you so. Also, once you have passed a test it shouldn't Accept files with random data as valid program sources (or maybe disable the button?) [21:36] stopping the counter at the top once you have a correct program would also be an idea [21:37] Yes, I must do it [21:37] Do you think this project have chance to be included in ubuntu repository? [21:38] ah, and the instructions for 'loop' aren't clear: "The last line should be empty." - is that a complete new line? Here it accepted it only when the last line was terminated with \n, not with a completely empty line printed [21:38] hm... [21:38] I always think, that is the same :-) [21:39] In the future [21:39] I plan to remove white chars from end of file before validate [21:40] well, once it works right, I think some poeple might find it useful. You can work together with the MOTU team to get it into the archive in that case. Just file a packaging request at that time [21:44] ok [21:44] So I back to work [21:44] Thanks for all one more :-) [22:15] Anyone have any good ideas on how to troubleshoot keyboard/mouse input locking up? [22:17] just the basics, different port(s) or different keyboard [22:19] jhanafrog: yeah all tried :/ I'm hoping it's the KVM so I can swap that out and it shuold all work again but until I get another kvm no real way of testing it without large dramas [22:19] I was hoping there was some magical monitoring program I didn't know about :P