[05:44] <halpbatman> hey hey
[05:44] <duanedesign> hello
[05:45] <halpbatman> what's cracking?
[05:45] <duanedesign> some stuff diferent day :P
[05:50] <duanedesign> how are you halpbatman
[05:50] <duanedesign> did you have any questions or just lurking :)
[05:50] <halpbatman> pretty good
[05:50] <halpbatman> got a spare usb thumb
[05:50] <halpbatman> looking for things to do with it
[05:50] <duanedesign> nice
[05:51] <duanedesign> maybe a small linux install, like tiny core linux
[05:52] <halpbatman> i'm just lurking
[05:52] <halpbatman> yeah i got a linux on another flash already
[05:53] <halpbatman> i just found this one lying around in my house
[05:53] <duanedesign> always nice to find another thumb drive
[05:54] <halpbatman> yeah cause you lose them so easily
[05:54] <halpbatman> lol
[05:54] <halpbatman> it's like finding money in your laundry
[05:54] <halpbatman> it's yours to begin with
[05:54] <duanedesign> lol
[05:54] <halpbatman> but when you find it
[05:54] <halpbatman> it's epic
[05:54] <duanedesign> i have not done that in awhile
[05:54] <halpbatman> lrn to do laundry brah
[05:54] <duanedesign> i found a 20 in my coat one winter (had been in their since the previous winter)
[05:54] <halpbatman> :P
[05:55] <halpbatman> jk
[05:55] <duanedesign> what about a ram disk
[05:55] <halpbatman> lol my mom used to hide money in winter clothes
[05:55] <halpbatman> so i'd randomly find bills
[05:56] <duanedesign> guess using a thumbdrive for more ram would only be cool if your computer had limited ram
[05:56] <halpbatman> mmm ram eh?
[05:56] <halpbatman> isn't usb 2.0 too slow for that?
[06:00] <duanedesign> i do not think so
[06:01] <duanedesign> it will be slower then RAM, but faster then swap disk
[06:02] <halpbatman> hmmm interesting.
[06:03] <halpbatman> would this still work if my motherboard only supports upto 2gb of ram and i already have 2 gb?
[06:06] <duanedesign> ummm
[06:06] <duanedesign> not sure. looking to see if i can find the forum post
[06:06] <duanedesign> about it
[06:07] <halpbatman> that is interesting idea though...
[06:08] <halpbatman> just worried about the frequent read/write as RAM on the life of flash drive
[06:08]  * duanedesign nods
[06:08] <halpbatman> say i find a 16gb flash that's 16gb of ram
[06:14] <duanedesign> halpbatman: looks like thread is under staff review :P I will ask my fellow staff members about this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=395435
[06:14] <halpbatman> cool ty
[06:17] <halpbatman> i think for now i'm gonna use it as a file vault
[06:17] <halpbatman> encrypt the crap out of it
[06:18] <duanedesign> we had a beginners team member who made a cool guide on using an sd card or usb as a 'key' for an encrypted drive
[06:19] <halpbatman> yeah i actually found that
[06:19] <halpbatman> but for a 4gb flash it seems like a waste to use it as a key
[06:19] <halpbatman> maybe when i find a 256mb
[06:19] <halpbatman> lol
[06:20] <halpbatman> it's like how you need a id card scan to access work computers along with login passwords
[06:20] <duanedesign> right :)
[06:20] <halpbatman> except you'll be a badass with a diy home setup
[06:21] <duanedesign> seems like a better idea for a smaller thumbdrive
[06:21] <halpbatman> yup
[06:21] <halpbatman> i know for sure i have those old 256mb's lying around in my garage with old computer parts some where
[06:22] <halpbatman> man i remember getting those and thinking "holyyyy ssssssssss*** a 256mb in my keychaiinnnn
[06:27] <duanedesign> right
[06:28] <duanedesign> I was totally impressed when zip drive came out
[06:28] <halpbatman> lol
[06:29] <halpbatman> those were too expensive for me
[06:29] <halpbatman> good thing
[06:29] <duanedesign> 100MB was so impressive on such a small disk
[06:29] <duanedesign> before that I used Syquest drives
[06:29] <duanedesign> those were really expensive
[06:29] <halpbatman> i remember those
[06:31] <duanedesign> they were the size of a small book :P
[06:31] <halpbatman> lol
[06:35] <duanedesign> halpbatman: i saw on newegg they have 64GB flash drives now
[06:35] <duanedesign> they probablly have bigger ones...
[06:36] <halpbatman> yeah i saw a 128gb floating around on the web
[06:36] <halpbatman> too expensive
[06:36] <halpbatman> i'd just buy a ssd at that point
[06:36] <duanedesign> right
[06:37] <duanedesign> i think the 64GB one was 100+ dollars
[06:38] <halpbatman> lol
[06:38] <halpbatman> meh wait few months
[06:38] <halpbatman> it will be where 32gb s
[06:38] <halpbatman> is
[06:49] <halpbatman> well good night everyone
[06:49] <halpbatman> I'm off to bed
[06:49] <halpbatman> duanedesign: thx for your help
[10:27] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:04] <duanedesign> 5/
[11:05] <s-fox> 6/
[14:16] <aztek> hello bro s-fox
[14:16] <aztek> how r u?
[14:16] <s-fox> I am fine thank you. How are you?
[14:20] <aztek> am fine too
[14:21] <aztek> am from indonesia, where do you live?
[15:58] <Unguided> Hey everyone. Is anyone familiar with windows home server's remote access?
[16:26] <duanedesign> compare package versions between distros http://oswatershed.org/
[16:38] <MrChrisDruif> How can Gentoo be so obsolete duanedesign?
[16:39] <holstein> MrChrisDruif: obsolete or stable ;)
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> Obsolete holstein, that oswatershed.org keeps track of how obsolete a distro is....but I thought that Gentoo was compiling
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> GTG
[16:47] <duanedesign> holstein: true
[16:47] <holstein> hehe
[16:49] <duanedesign> I think obsolete has some connotations that goo beyond just 'a newer version is available'
[16:49] <duanedesign> s/goo/go
[16:53] <yofel> well, gentoo has stable and unstable packages (latter have a tilde before the architecture), so I would assume they compared that
[16:54] <yofel> at least it was like that last time I tried it
[16:56] <yofel> yep, still the case http://packages.gentoo.org/
[17:35] <Abhijit> hello stlsaint how are you mate?
[20:02] <DrDetroit> hello
[20:02] <DrDetroit> I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since about July 10 and all has been wonderful
[20:02] <DrDetroit> recently i have accepted a couple updates
[20:02] <DrDetroit> ever since then my machine has been running very very slowly
[20:03] <DrDetroit> I am at a loss as to what might be causing the issue
[20:03] <DrDetroit> I have used top and ps aux to check to see what might be using cpu or memory, but nothing stands out
[20:03] <bioterror> what do you mean by slowly
[20:03] <DrDetroit> yet my load average often hits 2.00 or higher
[20:03] <DrDetroit> It may take a min or two to load irc chat
[20:04] <DrDetroit> it might take 2 min to load firefox
[20:04] <DrDetroit> this has never happend in all the time i have had the machine running
[20:04] <DrDetroit> just since my last set of updates
[20:04] <DrDetroit> currently i have regressed back 2 updates
[20:04] <DrDetroit> to see if it is truley a kernel issue
[20:04] <DrDetroit> or something else
[20:05] <DrDetroit> I am just at a loss as to how to troubleshoot this
[20:11] <bioterror> DrDetroit, sounds weird. are you sure your hard drive is okay?
[20:12] <DrDetroit> I am pretty sure its ok bioterror
[20:12] <DrDetroit> it was working fine before the updates
[20:12] <DrDetroit> currently after regressing back 2 updates i have not seen the problem reappear
[20:12] <DrDetroit> but its still early
[20:12] <DrDetroit> hehe
[20:12] <DrDetroit> i have used both top ps -aux and itop to try and isolate the issue
[20:13] <DrDetroit> I dont know much about itop though
[20:13] <DrDetroit> top and ps aux show no unusual cpu or mem usuage
[20:13] <DrDetroit> it is very weird
[20:13] <DrDetroit> and upsetting
[20:13] <DrDetroit> since i have junked all my winblows machines and turned them into linux boxes
[20:13] <DrDetroit> hehe
[20:13] <bioterror> that's the spirit
[20:14] <DrDetroit> i have been all linux/unix for a while now
[20:14] <DrDetroit> i have been using linux since redhat 3.0 but new to ubuntu
[20:14] <bioterror> wish most of new comers in here does the same
[20:14] <bioterror> 3.0, niice, my first was redhat 5.2 ;)
[20:14] <DrDetroit> debian was my preferred os but i have been leaning to ubuntu for my desktop because it is much nicer than debian
[20:15] <DrDetroit> hehe i still run a redhat 7.3 here
[20:15] <DrDetroit> and i have all the rpm'sand updates to it
[20:15] <DrDetroit> but when it finbally craps out i will change it to something else
[20:15] <DrDetroit> its been running since 02 without a hitch
[20:15] <DrDetroit> so why turn it off
[20:16] <DrDetroit> any ideas on how to try to troubleshoot this once i move back to the most current updated kernels i have?
[20:17] <bdfhjk> Hi all!
[20:17] <bdfhjk> I recently published my new project
[20:17] <DrDetroit> hi
[20:17] <bdfhjk> and I need help
[20:17] <bdfhjk> please look lp:740453
[20:18] <bdfhjk> The idea of bug is that when I try to run new process
[20:18] <bdfhjk> by QThread
[20:18] <bdfhjk> program crashed
[20:19] <DrDetroit> I am a newbie to ubuntu so I won't be any good to you
[20:19] <DrDetroit> hehe
[20:19] <head_victim> bug 740453
[20:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740453 in as "Program crashes after the second approach of compile" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740453
[20:19] <bdfhjk> yes
[20:19] <head_victim> sorry just getting a link so I can have a look and see if I'm any good to you
[20:20] <head_victim> It has the word compile in it so it's not looking like I'll be much use, hold on though just reading
[20:20] <head_victim> bdfhjk: that bug report is really empty, you should add LOTS more detail
[20:21] <bdfhjk> The problems lay in it
[20:21] <bdfhjk> that I don't know what can add more
[20:21] <head_victim> Well I wouldn't even know how to replicate. I would start by adding in the steps you took and where it went wrong.
[20:21] <bdfhjk> ok
[20:21] <head_victim> That way we can at least test to see if it is reproducible or an issue with your local setup
[20:22] <head_victim> I am not an expert on bugs though so someone else might be able to give you a hand or I'd suggest asking for advice in #ubuntu-bugs
[20:23] <DrDetroit> bioterror 30 min no issues using older kernel
[20:23] <bdfhjk> ok
[20:23] <bdfhjk> I added more info
[20:23] <DrDetroit> too strange
[20:31] <hggdh> bdfhjk, head_victim: a correction -- #ubuntu-bugs deals with bugs in Ubuntu. This is not one... this is an issue on programming
[20:31] <head_victim> bdfhjk: Ah it's not even in a PPA for installation? Makes it hard to troubleshoot if it's hard to install
[20:31] <bdfhjk> Hm...
[20:31] <head_victim> hggdh: yeah sorry I didn't realise it wasn't a Ubuntu program before offering the advice :/
[20:32] <hggdh> head_victim, no problem.
[20:32] <bdfhjk> it wasn't yet
[20:32] <bdfhjk> :-)
[20:32] <bdfhjk> What I can release it in PPA?
[20:32] <bdfhjk> I can simply do that by checkinstall?
[20:33] <hggdh> bdfhjk, as I said, this is a problem with programming; anyway, it is very difficult to even try to understand the issue if there is no deployable binaries, and no stacktrace
[20:34] <bdfhjk> I know
[20:34] <bdfhjk> but I can publish binaries
[20:34] <bdfhjk> because of internal error in launchpad
[20:34] <bdfhjk> when I try to do it
[20:34] <hggdh> bdfhjk, now another point -- the bug you opened is a bug against *your* project... which means the project's developers will lok at it... which means *YOU* ;-)
[20:35] <bdfhjk> I need advice
[20:35] <DrDetroit> hehe me too
[20:35]  * DrDetroit giggles
[20:36] <hggdh> bdfhjk, some more points: (1) ubuntu-beginners is most probably not the best channel for that, this is a channel for _beginners_ -- who, usually, do not programm
[20:37] <hggdh> bdfhjk, (2) even if by luck you were to hit someone here, you gave *absolutely* NO data
[20:37] <bdfhjk> I feel a little lost
[20:37] <hggdh> "my programme crashes" is not enough. We would need source, makefiles, stacktrace
[20:37] <bdfhjk> What I should do ?
[20:38] <bdfhjk> There is a source in trunk
[20:38] <bdfhjk> ok
[20:38] <bdfhjk> So I prepare that all
[20:38] <bdfhjk> sorry
[20:38] <bdfhjk> I am newbie in team programming
[20:38] <hggdh> bdfhjk, how much have you programmed?
[20:39] <bdfhjk> about 10 years
[20:39] <bdfhjk> but I never used the stacktrace
[20:39] <bdfhjk> bazaar
[20:39] <bdfhjk> makefiles
[20:39] <bdfhjk> etc.
[20:40] <bdfhjk> Now I started contributing to ubuntu
[20:40] <bdfhjk> to learn them all
[20:40] <hggdh> bdfhjk, what`language is this programme of yours?
[20:40] <bdfhjk> c++
[20:40] <hggdh> bdfhjk, and how much have you programmed in C++?
[20:41] <bdfhjk> in c++ about ~5 years
[20:41] <bdfhjk> before in python
[20:41] <bdfhjk> sorry
[20:41] <bdfhjk> pascal
[20:41] <bdfhjk> :-)
[20:41] <hggdh> heh
[20:41] <bdfhjk> now I also program in python
[20:41] <bdfhjk> but
[20:42] <bdfhjk> I don't say that I am skilled
[20:42] <bdfhjk> I am still learning
[20:42] <bdfhjk> And this is my second program with uses threads
[20:42] <hggdh> now, when a program crashes, usually you get error messages; if you have compiled it with debug set, you should have a bit more of data
[20:42] <bdfhjk> I do all with the documentations
[20:42] <hggdh> so one option is do run it under gdb
[20:43] <bdfhjk> ok
[20:43] <bdfhjk> I improve raport
[20:43] <bdfhjk> but
[20:44] <bdfhjk> so I must include
[20:44] <bdfhjk> stacktrace
[20:44] <bdfhjk> log from gdb
[20:44] <hggdh> bdfhjk, oh, you were the one to add the -w to apport
[20:44] <bdfhjk> but I can't use apport
[20:44] <bdfhjk> It not working in my computer
[20:44] <hggdh> no, because this is not an ubuntu package
[20:45] <bdfhjk> Not that
[20:45] <bdfhjk> apport not working at all
[20:45] <bdfhjk> it freeze when I tried to use it
[20:45] <hggdh> bdfhjk, when you ask for help on this issue, yes, you have to have stacktrace, buildable sources, the whole nine yards
[20:45] <bdfhjk> for antoher, ubuntu pckages
[20:46] <hggdh> bdfhjk, apport will *NOT* work for your issue
[20:46] <bdfhjk> ok
[20:46] <bdfhjk> What is the best way to generate makefile?
[20:46] <hggdh> no matter what else. Apport will not work for Ubuntu packages...
[20:46] <bdfhjk> I using QTCreator
[20:47] <hggdh> heh
[20:47] <yofel> hm, how did you crash it?
[20:47] <hggdh> now you reached my limit, I am not a QT programmer
[20:47] <yofel> I did manage to compile it, but without steps to crash it we can't help ;)
[20:47] <hggdh> oh saint yofel comes to the rescue :-)
[20:47] <head_victim> It's like a tag team in here :)
[20:48]  * head_victim barracks from the sidelines
[20:48] <yofel> well, not that I know much about Qt, but I did a bit basic qt stuff in the past
[20:48] <bdfhjk> To crash my program
[20:48] <bdfhjk> click on 'education'
[20:48] <bdfhjk> get first task
[20:48] <bdfhjk> start it
[20:48] <bdfhjk> send any file
[20:49] <bdfhjk> if you do this one time it should work
[20:49] <bdfhjk> but if you do this second
[20:49] <bdfhjk> It will crash
[20:49] <bdfhjk> This is a tester for .cpp programs
[20:50] <yofel> bdfhjk: no 'education' to see here http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/as.png
[20:50] <bdfhjk> sorry
[20:51] <bdfhjk> school
[20:51] <bdfhjk> Thanks for help You all
[20:51] <bdfhjk> :-)
[20:51] <bdfhjk> I don't know how to solve it
[20:52] <bdfhjk> It looks like a newbie error
[20:54] <bdfhjk> yofel: Do You see this issue?
[20:54] <yofel> let me first write a helloworld that complies to your rules :P
[20:54] <bdfhjk> ok :-)
[20:56] <yofel> heh, first bug: the ok message is: <font color="green">Accepted</font>
[20:57] <bdfhjk> I forgot about this :-)
[20:57] <bdfhjk> Try solve another
[20:58] <bdfhjk> or the same
[21:00] <yofel> hm...
[21:00] <AJH101> hi i downloaded and installed google earth but it wont launch. any ideas?
[21:01] <head_victim> AJH101: does it give you any errors?
[21:01] <AJH101> nothing at all
[21:01] <head_victim> I'd suggest running it from the terminal and seeing what the output is
[21:02] <AJH101> ok i can cut and paste (!) what command please?
[21:02] <yofel> bdfhjk: once I solved the first task, it always tells me that it accepted it, regardless of the file I give it
[21:03] <bdfhjk> yofel: Also if You close it and try to solve another?
[21:03] <yofel> no, then it works, but I can't get it to crash yet
[21:03] <head_victim> AJH101: actually, which method did you use to install it? I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth which might be helpful
[21:03] <bdfhjk> yofel: hm...
[21:04] <bdfhjk> My computer is strange...
[21:04] <bdfhjk> So you can do more than one solve (file send), and it not crash?
[21:06] <yofel> bdfhjk: I can send as many files as I want, If they're not cpp files I get a ton of compile errors to stderr but it doesn't crash
[21:08] <AJH101> head_victim: eureka! thanks very much
[21:08] <head_victim> AJH101: glad I could help :)
[21:10] <head_victim> I wish I knew that USB floppy drives were full of fail before I paid 12 dollars for this one :/
[21:10] <bioterror> floppy drives?!
[21:10] <head_victim> (I must admit though, was a nice bargain at 99cents plus postage)
[21:10] <bioterror> 1980's called me and said that head_victim should return their piece of techology back
[21:10] <head_victim> Yeah I came across some old ones from my Uni days that have some assignments and stuff on them I want to assimilate into my storage
[21:11] <head_victim> I figured it would be easier to use a USB floppy drive instead of trying to install an internal one
[21:11] <bioterror> I hope you have nice 256 color gif files of Pamela Anderson and some other playboy models on those disks
[21:12] <head_victim> No actually more presentations for my cognitive neuroscience assignments :/
[21:12] <head_victim> Really interesting if you want to know about research into visual illusions from 10 years ago.
[21:12] <bdfhjk> yofel: Please look one more at bug 740453, I added backtrace
[21:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740453 in as "Program crashes after the second approach of compile" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740453
[21:12] <head_victim> OHHHHHHH I got it to work. I'm awesome and stuff. I love google
[21:13] <bioterror> head_victim, trust me, I have done some real research about visual illusions ;)
[21:14] <bdfhjk> yofel: mayby You have any idea, with is the cause of this bug in my computer
[21:14] <head_victim> bioterror: as have I..... I was looking at stabilising images on the retina so I could super impose small eye movements to try and determine what type of small movement caused particular types of illusions so that I could try and break down why the illusions occurred.
[21:24] <yofel> bdfhjk: probably a thread issue, but I don't know enough to help here I fear :/
[21:24] <tdn> Hi, can someone try to reproduce bug 731340 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/731340)? Or tell me if there is anything more I can do in order to help isolate the cause of this bug?
[21:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731340 in linux "LUKS is extremely slow on amd64 builds but not on i386" [Undecided,New]
[21:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731340 in linux "LUKS is extremely slow on amd64 builds but not on i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731340
[21:24] <bdfhjk> yofel: ok
[21:25] <bdfhjk> yofel: Thanks for checking
[21:25] <bdfhjk> :-)
[21:26] <yofel> np. Btw. there's no sense in having the Makefiles in bzr. I still had to run qmake first to get something that builds
[21:26] <bdfhjk> qmake?
[21:26] <bdfhjk> so You compiled project by QMake?
[21:27] <yofel> well, qmake as.pro && make
[21:27] <maheanuu> Hello, I am having a problem, I minimize a folder and a page but I cannot get it to maximize when I click on the icon I am using Ubuntu 10.10
[21:27] <yofel> I got make errors with just make
[21:28] <bdfhjk> I always used QTCreator to compile
[21:28] <bdfhjk> :-)
[21:28] <bdfhjk> How prepare the package?
[21:30] <yofel> errr... I have no experience packaging something that uses qmake, it's not exactly firendly for that :S
[21:30] <bdfhjk> :-)
[21:31] <bdfhjk> so You are the first people
[21:31] <bdfhjk> 'person
[21:32] <bdfhjk> who see this project
[21:32] <bdfhjk> what do You think about it
[21:32] <bdfhjk> What You will change in it?
[21:36] <yofel> bdfhjk: does it remember if you passed a test? if yes it would be nice if it would tell you so. Also, once you have passed a test it shouldn't Accept files with random data as valid program sources (or maybe disable the button?)
[21:36] <yofel> stopping the counter at the top once you have a correct program would also be an idea
[21:37] <bdfhjk> Yes, I must do it
[21:37] <bdfhjk> Do you think this project have chance to be included in ubuntu repository?
[21:38] <yofel> ah, and the instructions for 'loop' aren't clear: "The last line should be empty." - is that a complete new line? Here it accepted it only when the last line was terminated with \n, not with a completely empty line printed
[21:38] <bdfhjk> hm...
[21:38] <bdfhjk> I always think, that is the same :-)
[21:39] <bdfhjk> In the future
[21:39] <bdfhjk> I plan to remove white chars from end of file before validate
[21:40] <yofel> well, once it works right, I think some poeple might find it useful. You can work together with the MOTU team to get it into the archive in that case. Just file a packaging request at that time
[21:44] <bdfhjk> ok
[21:44] <bdfhjk> So I back to work
[21:44] <bdfhjk> Thanks for all one more :-)
[22:15] <head_victim> Anyone have any good ideas on how to troubleshoot keyboard/mouse input locking up?
[22:17] <jhanafrog> just the basics, different port(s) or different keyboard
[22:19] <head_victim> jhanafrog: yeah all tried :/ I'm hoping it's the KVM so I can swap that out and it shuold all work again but until I get another kvm no real way of testing it without large dramas
[22:19] <head_victim> I was hoping there was some magical monitoring program I didn't know about :P