=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:45] hi [01:46] i'm getting a problem with ath9k interface [01:46] just update all packages [01:46] and installed 2.6.38-7 [01:46] still bloody hangs [01:47] also I changed from NM to wicd [01:47] and it persisted [01:47] (that was the first step I did) [01:47] any ideas .. ? [01:47] may be it's not ath9k driver .. [01:48] i.e. could be something else, hm .. [01:48] well, it sort of hangs quite badly [01:48] and then panics [01:51] ScottK, ok, will do [01:53] cnd: Keep in mind anything now is for oneric at the earliest. [01:54] ScottK, hmmm... ok [01:54] errordeveloper: If you are running Natty, you want #ubuntu+1 for help, otherwise #ubuntu. [01:54] cnd: We're well past feature freeze. [01:54] ScottK: we've been working through FFe's [01:55] they're to highlight some multitouch work [01:55] You can always ask. [01:55] yeah [01:55] we've got FFe's open for the games [01:55] ScottK: well, it says devel branch on the vt login prompt [01:55] one of them has been approved [01:55] the others are still waiting [01:55] Frankly I think the touch people should have planned their work better and got this stuff done on time. [01:55] errordeveloper: #ubuntu+1 then. [01:55] ScottK: tbh, I am having big issue with #ubuntu channel, they just drive me crazy [01:56] ok, shall check +1 [01:56] :) [01:56] errordeveloper: That doesn't make this a support channel. [01:56] ScottK: that wasn't my intention [01:56] OK [01:57] I wanted to sort of check if anyone here know of ath9k issue or anything related [01:57] ScottK, I understand the sentiment, though I think if you had a peek behind the curtain you might understand why things are the way they are [01:57] cnd: Then they should have planned less. [01:57] there plenty of commits on linux-wireless [01:58] We have feature freeze for a reason and I don't think landing large chunks of work afterwards is a great idea. [01:58] oh, by the this devel branch make like ubuntu, .. [01:58] well, I hasn't been a big fun tbh [01:59] ScottK, there are a few outliers [01:59] but by and large, our large code was all landed before FF [01:59] and now seeing where you guys heading, (dropping off gnome) etc [01:59] these are just some games that the community has developed, for example [01:59] The stuff that didn't seems to be a rather large fraction of the FFe's we're getting, but I could be wrong. It's not like I'm counting. [02:00] errordeveloper: Desktop specific development work for Unity would be in #ubuntu-desktop or #ayatana. [02:02] I only said that I like, and that had been a complement to all of you guys :) [02:02] ScottK, I have no clue how many FFe's you guys get, nor what is considered "reasonable" [02:02] all we can go by is that a wiki page says there's a process [02:02] and we've tried to follow the process to the letter [02:02] if you feel we're unreasonable, then feel free to start denying [02:03] we are ok with that [02:03] What I've been doing is not approving them. [02:03] is the multitouch stuff the thing causing the enormous input latency and precision slowdown in natty? my touchpad is going nuts too, random right clicks (even from pressing the left click hard button) [02:03] If other team members think they're OK, I don't feel a need to block it. [02:03] multitouch or gestures [02:03] ohsix, we've not seen any bug reports about those issues [02:03] ok [02:04] thanks [02:04] there could be something there [02:04] ohsix: This means you should file one. [02:04] yeah [02:04] ya i get it ;] [02:04] (not go away, it's not a problem) [02:04] there was touchpad slowness during the mav beta too; but it was fixed, by what, i do not know [02:04] though I can't think of what would cause random right clicks [02:05] well they're not random, but in place of left clicks, probably 30% of them [02:05] ohsix, the new natty kernel has multitouch enabled for some synaptics trackpads [02:05] and it could be causing some issues [02:05] hm k [02:05] ohsix, do you have a dell mini? [02:06] i know mine doesn't have any features for multitouch, from messing with it ages ago; i'll have to look into that [02:06] ohsix, then there's near 0% chance it has anything to do with multitouch/gestures [02:06] nope, compaq cq60, the netbook i do have doesn't have any input problems with respect to the touchpad, neither speed or wrong button events [02:06] (can't be sure it's 0% chance though :) [02:08] wait a minute ... [02:08] if i tap with 2 fingers it reliably delivers a right click [02:08] and occasionally does it with one fat finger === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:09] well that explains that [02:09] first place i looked when i was trying to change the sensitivity or other settings that might be new, was the mouse applet; but it still has the options it's had for ages in the touchpad page [02:11] all this fancy stuff is great, but i'd like my touchpad disable button to work again some day :D [02:12] would the component for reporting all these things basically be the kernel? [02:14] the misclicks seem to be rooted in the fact that my touchpad only reports one point, but there are sensitity/area settings to fake it, by assuming over a certain size is 2 fingers; if i enable 2 finger scrolling i can do the same thing with a fat finger [02:15] ohsix, there are knobs you can configure for these issues [02:15] xinput list-props has some new things for the acceleration profiles too [02:15] they just aren't exposed by default [02:15] that might be the slowness [02:15] yeah, xinput list-props [02:15] sometimes the defaults change for those knobs upstream too [02:15] one change in natty is the addition of kinetic scrolling [02:16] as far as i know it could only ever be faked for this touchpad, the 2 finger stuff shouldn't even be displayed because it takes hairy manual setup, and can change with temperature and humidity D: (fingers get fatter, static settings to emulate stuff don't work reliably) [02:17] ohsix, you can turn off the two finger stuff in the mouse preferences [02:17] so it doesn't do two finger right click or scrolling [02:17] that's just the thing, ic an disable 2 finger _scrolling_ but the 2 finger click is new, and isn't in there [02:17] oh, I think you're right [02:18] there's no option to enable/disable it in the prefs [02:18] though i didn't know before a few minutes ago that the misclicks were actually 2 finger clicks in disguise :D (i use my touchpad rather sloppily on occasion) [02:18] heh [02:18] using the thumb just to deliver a click when you don't need to move the mouse usually registers as 2 fingers [02:20] theres sensitive area around the hard buttons on t his laptop too, so resting your fingers anywhere near it causes fatfinger right clicks as well [02:21] one thing xinput doesn't display, or seem to know; is that theres a protocol level flag that says wether a device can do more than one point reliably, i confirmed a while ago that mine can only do one point; seems to me that a default that involves 2 finger anything could be picked properly if that info was there [02:22] ohsix, yeah, there's a protocol flag [02:23] but you wouldn't be getting any multifinger data if that flag wasn't set [02:23] that's my understanding at least [02:24] it's not getting multifinger info persay; but the driver, last time i looked; would use a contact area number/heuristic to infer if 2 fingers were on the touchpad, to do 2 finger scrolling (as i said, 2 finger click is new) [02:24] it does the same for palm detection to disable mouse movements for input over a certain area [02:24] ohsix, oh right, I remember that now [02:24] it sends the click, not the 2 point events [02:25] yeah, so you don't have multifinger, but just a touch size [02:25] there's too many iterations of synaptics hardware :) [02:25] ohsix, I haven't been working on synaptics too much for non-multitouch hardware [02:26] but I haven't heard anyone else complain about how it works [02:26] I'm sure others have [02:26] but it's not reached a noticeable threshold for someone who works in that area of the code [02:26] alright [02:27] the reason i was looking back then in the first place, was to try 2 finger scrolling; which _sort of_ worked in a usable manner with the windows drivers, but i found out in the end that it was faked and if i wanted to use it i'd have to deal with it being tempermental [02:27] ohsix, I'm not sure how best to try to make that noticeable though :( [02:27] and back then there was no checkbox in the mouse applet to just turn on 2 finger scrolling, had to do it with xinput set-prop [02:27] it's not like there's an easy way to say "if your trackpad sucks in just this way too, hit this button" [02:28] yea :\ [02:29] if xinput knew how many fingers it could report (or does it? and it's implied it does if the prop isn't present indicating how many points?) it could show the ui for the stuff, though 2 finger click and 2 finger scroll still might be desirable if the touchpad or its driver can fake it :\ [02:29] picking 2 finger anything by default for one of the area heuristic touchpads is already annoying me though :P === rickspencer3_ is now known as greatcthulu [02:34] not sure how to file a straight up bug, need to file 2, one is the acceleration profile is wrong for this touchpad, and the other is the 2 finger clicking thing [02:35] ohsix, that sounds good [02:36] ohsix, you should search to see if anyone already has a similar bug report for either issue [02:36] good idea [02:37] apport should offer a choice for input problems with "linux" and the default stuff (the one that lets you pick X.org, after you do you can only pick display and stuff, should have input :D) [02:39] yeah [02:42] slangasek: Does "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find crti.o: No such file or directory" seem like it might be multi-arch related? [02:42] (libc6-dev is installed) [02:42] yes [02:43] crti is one of the startup stubs you need to link executables, not being able to find it cuz of the arch path is likely [02:43] (though i haven't been following close, afaiu the paths are being changed to arch tuples and such a thing would be moved into one of them) [02:47] cnd: should i file everything against "linux"? i wanna file one for my touchpad disable key, but i'm not sure what happens after X gets ahold of it and if it's more appropriate [02:55] ohsix, you can file against xserver-xorg-input-synaptics [02:56] it doesn't really belong against the linux package [02:58] ok [03:10] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: feature freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Current Friendly Patch Pilots: smoser === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:37] Good morning [06:38] * slangasek waves [07:20] where do i read this "Policy 10.2" that i keep seeing mentioned === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [07:36] good morning [07:37] pitti, hi [07:41] hey tkamppeter, good morning [08:15] pitti, I have sent you an e-mail. It is an error_log from trying to use the CUPS web interface on a fresh standard installation of Natty. Looks like there is a PAM problem. [08:16] tkamppeter: the PAM libraries moved during the multiarch transition indeed [08:17] tkamppeter: from /lib/security to e. g. /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/ [08:17] tkamppeter: does cups assume that they are in /lib/security, for dlopen()ing them? if it only uses libpam, it shouldn't even notice [08:17] cups probably needs to be restarted after the library is upgraded [08:18] libpam0g has code to handle this, but I didn't think to bump the version check for the multiarch move [08:18] slangasek: that even happens after a reboot, though [08:18] oh? [08:19] is there a bug report about this? [08:19] I can reproduce it as well; http://localhost:631 doesn't accept my password [08:19] slangasek: not sure, I just saw tkamppeter's email about it a few minutes ago [08:19] I'm currently trying a no-change rebuild, just in case it checks pkg-config etc. [08:20] no, cupsd is linked to libpam, and libpam does the lookups against the path [08:21] pitti, for me tyhe web interface worked yesterday, I am currently updating my system ... [08:21] good morning [08:22] I don't see a relevant dlopen() either [08:23] hey dholbach, guten Morgen [08:23] pitti, can it be that the guy does not have libpam-modules installed? [08:24] hey pitti [08:24] tkamppeter: unlikely; it's pretty much impossible to remove it without shredding your system [08:24] tkamppeter: also, I can reproduce it here as well, and I do have it [08:25] it is possible to have upgraded libpam-modules without upgrading libpam0g [08:25] I'll fix that [08:25] and the restart issue [08:25] but I don't know if either of those explains the bug in question [08:25] I didn't do a partial upgrade [08:25] both are version 1.1.2-2ubuntu4 [08:26] pitti, slangasek: The web interface still worked for me with 2ubuntu3. [08:27] oh, /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi is a separate process and is not linked against libpam, hmm [08:30] tkamppeter: ok, it's not just a rebuild; I'll check out admin.cgi later on, when I'm done with my current task [08:30] shouldn't be hard to fix [08:30] pitti, OK. === jam1 is now known as jam [08:35] blast, my glib2.0 changes didn't make it to the repo and have been clobbered :( [08:36] yep, robert overwrites everything if it's not in bzr ;D (he did the same to me for some xscreensaver changes ;p) [08:37] what's sad is that I did all my work in bzr, and just failed to push [08:37] slangasek: then its on your local disk, yea? [08:37] yes [08:37] but it's still a waste of buildd time [08:37] and it means I currently can't dist-upgrade my multiarch chroot :) === abhinav- is now known as abhinav-away [08:56] doko_: is there a command which outputs /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ vs. /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/, so that I do not have to do the version comparison and hardcoding these paths in debian/rules? [08:56] pitti, slangasek, my system update has completed and the CUPS web interface still works for me. [08:56] tkamppeter: even after a reboot, or restarting cups? [08:57] tkamppeter: ok. interestingly, I can reproduce the failure here, but I don't understand it at all :) [08:57] pitti, the update included CUPS, so it must have been restarted, but I will restart it again. [08:57] pitti: /usr/share/python{,3}/python.mk [08:58] pitti, browser is Firefox 4.0 final ... [08:58] doko_: ah, thanks [08:59] pitti, CUPS restarted, browser restarted, still works. === doko_ is now known as doko [08:59] strange [09:03] doko: do I use py_sitename_sh with $(call) as well? [09:08] pitti: afaics, yes [09:14] doko: cool, that works; thanks! [09:25] slangasek: oh dear, multiarch makes gcc-3.3 (libstdc++5) ftbfs [09:25] I guess it needs to be patched to search in the new lib dirs [09:30] ohsix: google for debian policy manual [09:30] ah i thought it was a version, not a section in something [09:33] kirkland: are you going to upload newt? kubuntu-d-s fails to install when palette.original isn't registered [09:34] Morning all [09:35] Does dlopen() required a fully versioned library name or should it work with 'libpam.so' for example? [09:37] jamespage: the latter I think [09:38] I see no reason why it shouldn't work [09:39] Chipzz: Hmmm - thats what I thought [09:43] don't appear to be getting that behaviour (although it is a little hard to tell as sitting behind a java native access bridge) [09:49] 'man dlopen' documents what's supposed to work [09:49] (though the last point in its bullet list may need to be updated for multiarch) [09:59] cjwatson: yeah - I've read that a few times; ldconfig -p contains libpam.so.0 but not libpam.so so I don't think it will work [10:05] $ ldconfig -p | grep libpam.so [10:05] libpam.so.0 (libc6) => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpam.so.0 [10:05] libpam.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libpam.so [10:06] dlopening libpam.so is only going to work if the -dev package is installed; for runtime use, it'll need to be 'libpam.so.0' === ogra is now known as Guest67326 === Guest67326 is now known as ogra_ [10:14] cjwatson: thanks - could be challenging [10:14] the Java library that I'm looking at tries to guess without a version number [10:15] if it can't find it it then searchs a path which is currently not multi-arch compatible - hence it can't file the library. [10:15] /file/find === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux === nijaba_afk is now known as nijaba [11:01] didrocks, can you check into bug 723056 for me? I responded with the requested info but haven't heard back from the person you assigned [11:01] Launchpad bug 723056 in compiz (Ubuntu) ""Toggle whether a window is on all workspaces" shortcut no longer works" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723056 [11:06] mdz: looking at it [11:06] didrocks, thanks [11:06] mdz: yeah, I asked sam to have a look. Will ping him again :) [11:16] ugh, what happened yesterday to grow desktop CDs by 50 MB.. [11:18] +eglibc-source 2.13-0ubuntu8 [11:18] fun [11:18] +glibc-doc 2.13-0ubuntu8 [11:18] finally you can build your own libc right after install ! [11:24] and we got -dbg, -pic, -prof, and -xen as well [11:24] and -amd64 on i386 [11:28] * pitti files bug 740124 about it [11:29] Launchpad bug 740124 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "2.13-0ubuntu8 grew a lot of extra dependencies, causing CD explosion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740124 [11:30] pitti, I have pushed a branch for bug-340970 but I did not propose it for merging as I was not able to make it run. the code for checking obsolete packages doesn't seem to be getting triggered. I think this feature wont be merged in this release anyways [11:31] https://code.launchpad.net/~er-abhinav-upadhyay/apport/bug-340970 [11:34] pitti: it may just be busted priorities [11:34] I'll check germinate output [11:35] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/priority-mismatches.txt certainly has a slew of stuff, suggesting incorrect NEW processing [11:37] ev: hmm, usb-creator on suse doesn't want to work http://susepaste.org/48914863 [11:38] cjwatson: ah, interesting [11:38] cjwatson: the required->optional list is exactly the list of extra packages [11:38] yes [11:38] fixed [11:39] cool, thanks [11:42] Riddell: what happens if you manually spawn /usr/share/usb-creator/usb-creator-helper? [11:42] as root [11:42] ev: ImportError: No module named gobject [11:42] hmm, possible dependency issue [11:43] yeah, it needs gobject for the main loop [11:46] ev: seems to be working now [11:46] yay [11:52] kenvandine: Breaks & Replaces should be used instead of Conflicts & Replaces if the conflicting package is versioned [11:54] kenvandine: synaptic fail to find a proper upgrade path for gstreamer-plugins-{good,bad} [11:57] ev: failed at the last task http://paste.opensuse.org/79402602 [11:59] Riddell: make sure you have /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin and /sbin/parted [12:00] also, kill any running usb-creator-helper [12:00] and run it manually in a shell with sudo /usr/share/usb-creator/usb-creator-helper, which should produce some sort of crash when you hit bootloader installation again [12:07] ev: I have /usr/sbin/parted [12:08] ah, usb-creator assumes it's in /sbin [12:09] ev: and /usr/share/syslinux/mbr.bin [12:12] ok trying with those modified in the source [12:17] ev: well, some progress http://paste.opensuse.org/6716340 [12:18] ev: do you know what package supplies python lsb_release in ubuntu? [12:18] lsb-release [12:18] clever [12:22] :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [12:44] cjwatson: congrats on multiarch! [12:46] oubiwann: congratulations should go to slangasek - he's been driving it [12:46] slangasek: congrats!!! [12:46] cjwatson: thanks :-) I'd assumed you were still on it, from last year! [12:48] only poking at the odd thing from the sidelines [12:48] and trying not to get in the way :-) [12:52] cjwatson, fyi, properly preseeding debian-installer/framebuffer=false finally works ... but i needed to actually implement preseeding in jasper through debconf-communicate (nice sideeffect) [12:52] sadly its close to unusable, the terminal is pretty screwed up [12:53] dholbach: hi, could you re-add me to sponsors? ~bilalakhtar Thanks! [12:53] (i cant see what is selected) [12:54] ogra: as I said, it was more to narrow down where the problem was than a serious workaround suggestion [12:54] ogra: remind me of the bug number? [12:54] * ogra digs [12:55] bug 736111 [12:55] Launchpad bug 736111 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "oem-config does not respect the console on serial tty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736111 [12:55] cjwatson, well i have preseeding support in jasper now and we want the option to be user switchable on cmdline [12:55] so its not bad to have it that way [12:56] I suspect that it is not tty1 that's hardcoded, but /dev/fb0 [12:56] bah, but i have no user [12:56] funnily the new hostname is set [12:57] * ogra wonders what failed there [12:58] ScottK: we are next week now; what about FFE'ing the pyside stack ? [12:59] ogra: commented. just to be clear, I don't expect the main installer team to be able to deal with this, other than by offering advice [13:00] cjwatson, well, i'm happy we have a wrokaround for the short term [13:00] i'll try to add the fronend stuff somehow [13:00] OdyX: Did you file the bugs? [13:00] *front [13:01] ScottK: Nope. Will do then. [13:01] ogra: well ... see my more recent comment :) [13:02] OdyX: FFe is only needed if there are feature differences between what's in Debian and what we have now. If not, a regular sync request will do. [13:02] cjwatson, will add some screenshots ... though first i want to find out why i have no user [13:02] ScottK: thing is I don't know what the status of pyside under armel is (as it is BD-Uninstallable in Debian, waiting on qtwebkit4) [13:03] cjwatson, its also weird that while i have the caption "Installing packages..." the text inside the screen is "Ready when you are" and nothing more ... right afterwards it switches to debconf package removal [13:03] OdyX: Not a problem. [13:03] ScottK: would it be possible to get a natty armel build of PySide ? [13:03] hi all, how stable will btrfs be in 11.04? [13:04] OdyX: we'd have to fix apiextractor to build first (symbols issues, IIRC). [13:05] ScottK: I removed the symbols tracking now (see 0.10.0-4) [13:05] OK. [13:05] ScottK: status in Debian is: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=qt4-x11%2Cqtwebkit%2Chorizontal-void-line%2Capiextractor%2Cgeneratorrunner%2Cshiboken%2Cpyside&suite=sid&compact=compact [13:06] I'm familiar with the qtwebkit issues in Debian as my python-qt4 upload is waiting for them to be resovled as well. [13:06] ogra: sure, I expect that the dual-debconf-stack code in the installer doesn't deal perfectly with the fallback case to a plain debconf frontend [13:06] yeah, right. [13:06] ogra: some fixing there is no doubt required [13:06] yup [13:07] OdyX: Let's get apiextractor sync'ed then. Can you file a sync request for that? [13:07] filing [13:08] ScottK: we need the whole chain anyway. [13:08] OK. [13:09] ScottK: four sync request mailed [13:09] ev: what does usb-creator use the lsb-release python module for? suse doesn't support it [13:10] it's easy enough to patch but I don't want to break anything [13:11] Riddell: to somewhat deal with the incompatible versions of syslinux problem [13:12] mm, so I should just hard code it to the appropriate version [13:13] see http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/608382 for the hairy details [13:13] Ubuntu bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Karmic) "Maverick images burned to usb key on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version" [High,Triaged] [13:13] I was hoping to solve this with some MBR trickery a la isohybrid, but ran out of time in natty === chuck_ is now known as zul [13:22] debfx: sure [13:25] cjwatson, bug 740183 for the missing user [13:25] Launchpad bug 740183 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "oem-config in debconf mode under serial console does not create a user" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740183 [13:27] debfx: done! [13:29] cjwatson: I was trying to fix a bug where users can't install to a dmraid raid10. I set up a qemu on an emulated 4 disk raid10. The installer only presends /dev/mapper/foo-0 and -1 as targets, which are actually subsets of the main array, foo. How does it decide what to show and what not to? [13:30] psusi: grab the partman-base source package and look in init.d/parted and parted_devices.c [13:30] hrm... ok [13:39] kirkland: thanks [13:43] debfx: you got it; thanks for the approach, that's much nicer === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [14:05] cjwatson: it looks like this asks parted for a list of all devices, then does some custom filtering on them... shouldn't either parted already avoid returning those devices, or the filtering be based on udev attributes rather than lower level poking about? [14:09] psusi: I don't think parted should change, but feel free to submit a branch to improve the filtering [14:12] cjwatson: hrm.. ok... [14:13] (if that's what the problem is) [14:15] kirkland: http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/ceci_est_une_aubergine.png (with xfce4-terminal and dialog, and sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf) [14:15] kirkland: I don't know if that's expected, but if I ever see an aubergine like that, I'll tell you ;-) [14:16] apart from gnome-terminal, all other terms I tried showed this ugly color [14:17] wow, readline is a painful frontend on 80x24 [14:21] cjwatson, hmm adding debug doesnt produce /var/log/installer/debug ... weird [14:22] ogra: oh, it may just make /var/log/oem-config.log more verbose [14:22] ah, yeah [14:22] i was checking syslog [14:28] cjwatson, k, attachede to the bug [14:28] *attached [14:29] ah [14:29] * ogra sees open /dev/tty: No such device or address [14:29] Failed to open terminal.debconf: whiptail output the above errors, giving up! [14:29] but i dont think that should affect the user creation [14:30] ogra: does it ask you for a username? [14:30] yes [14:30] ok, good [14:30] I saw that in the log and wanted to check [14:30] seems all correct from an UI POV [14:31] so the problem is just that we need to suppress the dual-debconf-stack stuff when using the debconf frontend [14:31] there seem to be readline realted errors at the very end but nothing around the time it should apply the debconf settings === smb` is now known as smb === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [14:33] actually, hmm, it might in fact be that plugininstall is never run for the debconf frontend [14:33] that's believable from the code [14:33] ouch [14:34] not desperately ouch, it should be easy to correct [14:35] weird is that every other bit seems to have run [14:35] i.e. as i said, i have a proper new hostname [14:37] slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/583809/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/583810/ [14:37] left is errors, right is build deps. Said you might know about recent issues with building [14:38] ogra: sure, anything that's not in install plugins should have worked [14:38] that's not weird [14:39] ah, i thought plugininstall applies everything [14:40] well, hostname actually *is* in plugininstall - but maybe I'm missing something, I don't think that angle is worth pursuing for the moment [14:45] is there any key code that userspace interprets as "rotate display orientation" ? [14:45] Heh. Apport adds to my bug reports: UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2009-06-11 (649 days ago) [14:45] I haven't found anything that looks appropriate [14:52] siretart: what's the crack with libav? ffmpeg forked? === herton is now known as herton_lunch === abhinav-away is now known as abhinav- [15:01] siretart: is there really not ment to be any sources in libav-extra? [15:03] pitti, dapper kernels look like they got fully tested so can go to -updates (no rush on this) === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:16] Riddell: indeed, I'm replacing ffmpeg with libav, that's on purpose [15:16] Riddell: and yes, libav now builds a 'libav-source' package, on which libav-extra build depends [15:16] Riddell: this makes updates to the -extra packages easier [15:17] siretart: so ffmpeg and ffmpeg-extra source should be removed? [15:17] Riddell: yes, they should === timc is now known as Guest62490 [15:18] with libav going to main and libav-extra to multiverse [15:18] exactly like ffmpeg/ffmpeg-extra [15:20] siretart: why is libav-extra in multiverse? [15:20] because of its build dependencies [15:20] siretart: groovy, accepted [15:21] \o/ - thanks a lot === chuck_ is now known as zul [15:24] hey bjf [15:24] bjf: yup, will move them ASAP [15:25] pitty, thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:38] pitti, any news about PAM? [15:38] tkamppeter: just finished my previous task, catching up [15:39] tjaalton: what are you expecting to happen with bug 735602 ? [15:39] Launchpad bug 735602 in Ubuntu "FFE: add xinput-calibrate to natty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735602 [15:40] oh, cool [15:40] Riddell: asked for feedback on debian-x@ [15:40] upstream said to fix some bugs [15:40] * ogra smells working touchscreen calibration [15:40] tjaalton: there doesn't seem to be any archive admin tasks so I'll unsubscribe ubuntu-archive [15:40] ogra: yeah, you should test it :) [15:41] Riddell: yeah [15:41] kees, jdstrand: publishing dapper kernel to -u/-s: linux-source-2.6.15 linux-backports-modules-2.6.15 linux-meta [15:41] tjaalton, if i find the time i will [15:42] i dont even know if my touchscreen works at all in natty, havent tested it since upgrading [15:44] smoser: you're still listed as a pilot BTW [15:44] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: feature freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Current Friendly Patch Pilots: micahg, smoser [15:50] * dholbach hugs micahg [15:51] * micahg hugs dholbach [15:52] hi, could someone please do a no-change rebuild of udev, libgudev seems to have the old paths for the libgobject-2.0.la file, which would now be in a different path (since it was rebuilt for multiarch support) [15:52]