=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === deegee_ is now known as deegee === doko_ is now known as doko === ogra is now known as Guest67326 === Guest67326 is now known as ogra_ === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux === nijaba_afk is now known as nijaba === ogra_ is now known as ogra === chuck_ is now known as zul === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === JanC_ is now known as JanC === timc is now known as Guest62490 === chuck_ is now known as zul === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:57] hi [15:57] o/ [15:57] o/ [15:58] who is running the meeting? [15:58] hello :) [15:59] zul: SpamapS [15:59] (according to the wiki) [16:00] good good [16:00] speak of the devil and he shall appear! [16:00] ---===}o{ [16:00] *poof* [16:00] * SpamapS parks the ti-fighter [16:00] Well then, lets not delay [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is SpamapS. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] o/ [16:01] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:01] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:01] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred) [16:02] dammit... deferred. [16:02] alright [16:02] [ACTION] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred) [16:02] ACTION received: Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred) [16:02] thanks. [16:02] Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. [16:02] That is making progress, but not as good as we had hoped [16:03] Have been in contact with upstream, cjwatson and security team and Debian Maintainer. [16:03] (of isc-dhcp) [16:03] Which bug is this? [16:03] It's likely it needs a patch to resolve a potential regression [16:03] yes bug number would be helpful [16:03] soren, one mo [16:03] ta [16:04] bug #717166 [16:04] Launchpad bug 717166 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken with v4 isc-dhcp-server in Natty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717166 [16:04] Daviey: shall we carry that over to next week as well then? [16:04] SpamapS, it's being followed up on... please [16:04] thanks [16:04] [ACTION] Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. [16:04] ACTION received: Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. [16:05] smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046 [16:05] ta [16:05] Launchpad bug 732046 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "Missing filesystem modules in -virtual package" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732046 [16:05] smb: want to cover that during your time later? [16:05] I think there was the missing codepage sumbmitted for sru [16:05] its ok now as well [16:06] An extra modules package is rather unlikely [16:06] But rather have a limited set (what is really needed) in the virtual build [16:06] .. [16:07] alright that seems covered [16:07] [TOPIC] Natty Development [16:07] New Topic: Natty Development [16:08] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html [16:08] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html [16:08] Seems we need to pick up the pace or start postponing [16:08] s/start/continue/ [16:09] wow.. lively bunch.. don't everybody talk at once please. [16:09] \o/ [16:10] * smb did a natty server install and feels aubergine... [16:10] So anyway, we should be hovering around 75% completion [16:10] smb: ^5 [16:10] Moving on.. [16:10] SpamapS: sir yes sir :P [16:11] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:11] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:11] TLF, April 2nd, both kirkland and I are presenting [16:11] As noted previously, I will be at the MySQL User's Conference April 13/14, speaking on April 13 about Drizzle on Natty. [16:11] \o/ [16:11] whats TLF? [16:11] and UDS-O is comming up [16:11] Texas Linux Fest, SpamapS [16:11] Texas Linux Fest [16:11] good luck! [16:11] Nice [16:12] the lone star conf [16:12] I blieve sponsorship nominations for UDS-O are due by next Tuesday right? [16:13] Is there a wiki page or google calendar with only Ubuntu Server related events? [16:13] nope [16:13] That would be cool.. ;) [16:13] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:13] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:14] are you starting one? :) [16:14] noep [16:14] hggdh: here? got anything? [16:14] Only update from me: Daviey and I are trying the change to DHCP proposed by Euca, but no success yet [16:15] * hggdh was typing :-) [16:15] oh [16:15] and dear jamespage is bringing on Jenkins for real :-) [16:15] * SpamapS gets all giddy [16:15] questions for me? [16:16] a last point, really: I would like ideas on *what* we can test for server [16:16] hggdh: what is the average air speed velocity of an unladen Macaw? [16:17] SpamapS, slightly faster than a, er, laden, one [16:17] libvirt-tck and kvm-autotest :) [16:17] hggdh: boot, install a package from the seed, shutdown, boot back up.. see if the root fs was unmounted properly. ;) [16:17] * hggdh goes writing down [16:17] hggdh: jhunt and I are going to propose jenkins jobs that do that on every upload. [16:18] SpamapS, perfect! [16:18] SpamapS: sounds good [16:18] hallyn, kvm-autotest... will look at it. [16:18] jamespage: I'm so glad you say that and not "thats impossible!!" [16:18] :) [16:18] ok lets move on [16:18] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:18] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:18] * smb thinks people aught to know he is feeling very depressed (about Xen) [16:19] Apart from that [16:19] hggdh: cool. i have some work to do for ubuntu guests. [16:19] hggdh: everythings possible with Jenkins... [16:19] there is one thing I wanted to bring up [16:19] bug 720095 [16:19] Launchpad bug 720095 in linux (Ubuntu) "vsftpd causes a vmalloc space leak in Lucid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720095 [16:20] Looking at that basically brought up that having NET_NS (network namespaces) enabled in Lucid was not the best idea [16:20] Because teardown is slow as hell [16:21] quantify? [16:21] IT was done to support some containerize stuff, the question to the server-team would be, how loud would be the expected complaining and shouting should we need to disable it [16:21] hallyn, 1 namespace per second [16:21] very [16:21] while you easily can create 8 in the same time [16:21] is there a cherrypickable fix? [16:22] That is sort of the problem [16:22] I have not really found a smallish change (yet) and not sure there is one [16:22] lots of ppl using lxc on lucid, so turning off is not really an option [16:22] There has been a long series of changes towards Maverick [16:22] hm [16:22] that batched up destruction [16:23] yeah it rings a bell [16:23] is it possible to use the maverick kernel on lucid for heavy lxc usage? [16:23] what do other distros do? [16:23] The last hope is to try whether locking could be relaxed in inet_twsk_purge, but that is probably neither simple [16:23] they may have a patch... [16:23] Well, the option was marked experimental at that time [16:23] Not sure they use it [16:24] which means little :) [16:24] SpamapS, The problem seems to be in that case that there is other problems somewhere else preventing to use the maverick kernel [16:24] also can you boot a lucid guest on LXC from maverick? [16:24] well i dont mind tracking thagt down next week [16:24] yes [16:25] SpamapS, don't now (boot lucid gues on lxc) [16:25] know [16:25] but that won't ease user's minds who want stable host [16:25] I have been making a backport for the approach of queuing /batching ns destrucktion [16:25] from upstream [16:26] who from? [16:26] Though it seems to work, it is 6 or 7 patches [16:26] hallyn: if they start w/ natty, that will get them to the next LTS .. so its not the worst thing. [16:26] from between 2.6.32 and 2.6.35 [16:26] Side effect is that connection speed goes down [16:26] smb: how likely is that to be SRU'able? [16:26] I mean the rate of connects to the vsftp server [16:26] cnxn spd? [16:27] you mean veth data rate? [16:27] or dev creation? [16:27] SpamapS, Only in emergencies I geuss [16:27] ah [16:27] hallyn, rather dev creation I guess [16:27] (its similar in Maverick) [16:28] I just don't know whether that could be seen as a regression in Lucid [16:28] there will be loud cries if netns is turned off in lucid [16:28] Anyway. That was mainly what I wanted to know. :) [16:29] smb: thx :) [16:29] smb: anything else? [16:29] nope [16:29] other questions? [16:29] does not seem to [16:30] so I am done [16:30] smb: thx! [16:30] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [16:30] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [16:30] So .. sommer has I think officially disappeared. Should we approach the ubuntu doc team about our need for a server guide maintainer? [16:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs?field.searchtext=server&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= [16:32] haha whoops [16:32] anyway, server guide bugs are mounting. :-P [16:32] sure? [16:32] Hah ok glad we have consensus [16:33] sounds like we need to [16:33] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [16:33] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [16:33] Howdy folks .. Just a reminder that Ubuntu Cloud Days is tomorrow 4pm UTC .. Please spread/tweet/dent ...etc [16:33] Updates to the schedule include an OpenStack session, thanks soren [16:33] A Eucalyptus session thanks obino, and Daviey has made up his mind and doing puppet :) Thanks Daviey [16:33] That's basically all for me [16:33] * SpamapS will be doing a demo of Ensemble as well [16:33] * Daviey screams. [16:34] Rock n Roll @SpamapS [16:34] Daviey: sshhhh [16:34] kim0: dekujume moc! (thank you very much) [16:34] :) [16:34] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:34] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:34] hallyn: go! [16:35] ? [16:35] [hallyn] Reduce meeting notes delivery duplication? (blog post only, perhaps?) [16:35] oh, yes. [16:35] what SpamapS said :) [16:36] hallyn: do you know about the unbuntuserver-minutes code? [16:36] can we agt least drop ubuntu-devel? [16:36] SpamapS: It's a language google translate doesn't seem to know about .. what's that [16:36] i tried it once [16:36] hallyn: I have a fixed version that works a little better lp:~clint-fewbar/+junk/ubuntuserver-minutes/ [16:36] and it avoids the need to reformat? [16:36] hallyn: allows to send to multiple email addresses at once. [16:37] yes it renders the page from the wiki [16:37] into the email and blog post [16:37] SpamapS: can you put a link in mtg notes? [16:37] i'll try it next time [16:37] sounds awesome. [16:38] [ACTION] SpamapS to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes [16:38] ACTION received: SpamapS to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes [16:38] Anything else? [16:38] thx! [16:39] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [16:39] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [16:39] Tuesday, March 29 2011 16:00 UTC [16:39] Be there or be square (I'll be square.. on holiday) [16:39] #endmeeting [16:39] Meeting finished at 11:39. [16:40] \o [16:40] :) [16:41] cheerio all :-) [16:41] bye [16:42] o/ === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [16:58] o/ [16:58] \o [16:58] o/ [16:58] o/ === cking__ is now known as cking [16:58] \o/ [16:58] p/ [16:59] o/ [16:59] \o [16:59] o/ [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf. [17:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:00] o/ [17:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty [17:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty [17:00] # Meeting Etiquette [17:00] # [17:00] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [17:00] # 'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized) [17:00] # [17:00] [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) [17:00] New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) [17:00] Release Meeting Bugs (8 bugs, 9 Blueprints) [17:00] ==== Beta 1 Milestoned Bugs (88 across all packages (down 16)) ==== [17:00] * 4 linux kernel bugs (down 4) [17:00] * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) [17:00] * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) [17:00] ==== Release Targeted Bugs (273 across all packages (down 20)) ==== [17:00] * 20 linux kernel bugs (down 2) [17:00] * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) [17:00] * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) [17:00] ==== Milestoned Features ==== [17:00] * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) [17:01] ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== [17:01] * 73 Linux Bugs (up 2) [17:01] ==== Lucid Updates Bugs ==== [17:01] * 94 Linux Bugs (no change) [17:01] ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:83 (up 3) ==== [17:01] * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] [17:01] * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] [17:01] .. [17:01] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) [17:01] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling [17:01] New Topic: Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) [17:01] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling [17:01] nothing to report [17:01] .. [17:01] [TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw) [17:01] New Topic: Status: General Natty (apw) [17:01] We've uploaded the 2.6.38-7.38 kernel which is a no change upload to rebuild against the recent compiler update. I do not expect any further uploads of the kernel until after Beta. Note that Beta freeze is this Thursday. [17:01] .. [17:02] [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) [17:02] New Topic: Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) [17:02] || [17:02] || Last week, all kernels except Dapper completed QA and certification testing, and were released. [17:02] || Dapper has now completed testing and should be released soon. [17:02] || [17:02] || New packages have been placed in -proposed, beginning another cycle. However, due to the upcoming Natty [17:02] || release and insufficient testing resources, it is expected that further SRU kernels will not be released until [17:02] || May. However, the stable kernel team will continue to hold to a normal two week cadence, and complete [17:02] || verification of fixes for each cycle until release testing can resume. [17:02] || [17:02] .. [17:02] [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) [17:02] New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) [17:03] || Package || Upd/Sec || Proposed || TiP || Verified || [17:03] || || || || || || [17:03] || dapper linux-source-2.6.15 || 2.6.15-55.93 || 2.6.15-57.94 || 1 || 1 || [17:03] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.15.56 || 2.6.15.57 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.15 || 2.6.15-55.13 || 2.6.15-57.15 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || || || || || || [17:03] || hardy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 || || 2.6.24.18-29.9 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 || 2.6.24-28.47 || 2.6.24-29.48 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 || 2.6.24-28.37 || 2.6.24-29.38 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.24.28.30 || 2.6.24.29.31 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux || 2.6.24-28.86 || 2.6.24-29.88 || 2 || 1 || [17:03] || || || || || || [17:03] || karmic linux-ec2 || 2.6.31-308.28 || 2.6.31-308.29 || 1 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux || 2.6.31-23.74 || 2.6.31-23.75 || 1 || 0 || [17:03] || || || || || || [17:03] || lucid linux-ec2 || 2.6.32-314.27 || 2.6.32-315.28 || 5 || 1 || [17:03] || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.32.30.23 || 2.6.32.31.23 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-mvl-dove || 2.6.32-211.27 || 2.6.32-216.33 || 32 || 27 || [17:03] || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || 2.6.32.209.12 || 2.6.32.216.18 || 1 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1 || 12 || 10 || [17:03] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 || 2.6.32-30.29 || 2.6.32-31.30 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-firmware || 1.34.4 || 1.34.7 || 1 || 1 || [17:03] || --- linux || 2.6.32-30.59 || 2.6.32-31.60 || 5 || 1 || [17:03] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.32.30.36 || 2.6.32.31.37 || 0 || 0 || [17:03] || || || || || || [17:03] || maverick linux-mvl-dove || || 2.6.32-416.33 || 17 || 14 || [17:03] || --- linux-meta-mvl-dove || || 2.6.32.416.6 || 1 || 0 || [17:03] || --- linux-firmware || 1.38.4 || 1.38.5 || 3 || 2 || [17:03] || --- linux || 2.6.35-28.49 || 2.6.35-28.50 || 6 || 0 || [17:03] || || || || || || [17:03] .. [17:04] [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) [17:04] New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) [17:04] Incoming Bugs [17:04] 359 Natty Bugs (up 62) [17:04] 1232 Maverick Bugs (up 14) [17:04] 1045 Lucid Bugs (up 11) [17:04] Current regression stats (broken down by release): [17:04] ==== regression-update ==== [17:04] * 42 maverick bugs (up 2) [17:04] * 75 lucid bugs (up 1) [17:04] * 7 karmic bugs (no change) [17:04] * 0 hardy bugs (no change) [17:04] ==== regression-release ==== [17:04] * 162 natty bugs (up 31) [17:04] * 242 maverick bugs (up 2) [17:04] * 221 lucid bugs (no change) [17:04] * 38 karmic bugs (no change) [17:04] * 2 hardy bugs (no change) [17:04] ==== regression-proposed ==== [17:04] * 8 natty bugs (up 3) [17:04] * 0 maverick bugs (no change) [17:05] * 0 lucid bugs (down 1) [17:05] * 0 karmic bug (no change) [17:05] .. [17:05] [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) [17:05] New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) [17:05] I've postponed today's bug day to next week. I was unable to prepare for it, so I will send out e-mail [17:05] today for the next one which should be covering bugs in the confirmed state. [17:05] .. [17:06] Are bug days accomplishing anything ? [17:06] seem to be, just not as much as I would like for them to [17:06] ok [17:06] [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo) [17:06] New Topic: Triage Status (JFo) [17:06] Answered some askubuntu questions with the help of various team members. Other than that, it was a slow week for triage. [17:06] .. [17:07] [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [17:07] New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [17:07] thanks everyone [17:07] #endmeeting [17:07] Meeting finished at 12:07. [17:07] thanks bjf [17:07] wow speedy [17:07] thanks bjf [17:07] thanks! 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