[00:01] <hamitron> :/
[00:04] <directhex> wibble
[00:10] <Azelphur> http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/funny-facebook-fails-how-can-so-much-idiot-fit-in-one-man.jpg
[00:44] <hamitron> lmao
[00:44] <hamitron> nice Azelphur ;/
[00:44] <hamitron> anyone here used virtualbox on a linux host for gaming?
[01:15] <directhex> hamitron: dead loss. no useful 3d. and crap for old games too, due to lack of dos gues drivers
[01:16] <hamitron> k, ty
[01:22] <shauno> having great fun trying to find a usb cable for this stupid gp2x wiz.  I've a funny feeling it'll be seeing a soldering iron soon
[01:23] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/iMYVkAKY anyone know how to fix this?
[01:23] <ali1234> what is this i don't even
[01:24] <directhex> git clone?
[01:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: trying to help kupfer get multi X support in, https://bugs.launchpad.net/kupfer/+bug/614796/comments/12
[01:24] <Azelphur> I need to grab from that repo but no luck :(
[01:24] <directhex> pretty sure you need clone, not fetch
[01:25] <Azelphur> clone just puts it in a directory called dbusdisplay:dbusdisplay
[01:25] <ali1234> why is this a problem
[01:25] <Azelphur> because I need to download the fix to test it but I can't find a link on github.com and the command he gave me don't work?
[01:26] <ali1234> he assumes you already have checked out the standard repo
[01:26] <Azelphur> oh so I run that after checking out the standard repo
[01:26] <ali1234> git clone git://github.com/engla/kupfer.git
[01:26] <ali1234> cd kupfer*
[01:26] <Azelphur> yup, already doing it :)
[01:27] <Azelphur> sorted
[01:27] <ali1234> git checkout -b mybranch origin/dbusdisplay
[01:27] <ali1234> something like that anyway
[01:28] <Azelphur> lolbroke :D
[02:10] <HazRPG> hi all
[02:11] <shauno> o/
[04:23] <HazRPG> shauno: how's it going dude?
[04:23] <HazRPG> I should really learn to not let the internet distract me :/
[04:57] <shauno> timestamp fail man
[05:09] <HazRPG> heh, nah... I got distracted and only noticed you'd actually said something till afterwards
[05:12] <HazRPG> shauno: not sure if its your thing, but recently stumbled upon this: http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR02202/
[05:17] <shauno> it usually would be, but that one was boring :p
[05:19] <HazRPG> Really? I thought it was good.
[05:30] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:30] <shauno> 'lo bob
[05:30] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: o/
[05:30] <phonex01> hello guys
[05:30] <HazRPG> sup dude
[05:30] <phonex01> is there a good package for widgets on ubuntu desktop ? can show CPU cores and ram ans such things ?
[05:31] <phonex01> i need attractive one
[05:31] <phonex01> !
[05:31] <Azelphur> phonex01: screenlets
[05:31] <slackthumbz> byobu
[05:31] <HazRPG> erm... screenlets... also, there's some stuff for gnome panels too
[05:32] <slackthumbz> embedded terminal + byobu
[05:32] <HazRPG> that works too
[05:32] <slackthumbz> looks cool as hell
[05:32] <slackthumbz> ;)
[05:33] <HazRPG> I use byobu for general stuff :P
[05:33] <phonex01> guys when i connect my laptop to datashow all compiz effetcs stop
[05:33] <phonex01> why ?
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> what is datashow?
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> you mean a projector?
[05:34] <slackthumbz> ^
[05:34] <phonex01> ya ya
[05:34] <phonex01> projector
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[05:34] <slackthumbz> if you're trying to use the projector as a secondary monitor it can cause issues with compiz, I've found similar problems on multi-monitor setups
[05:35] <phonex01> ATI ?
[05:35] <phonex01> HD 3470
[05:35] <slackthumbz> http://ompldr.org/vN3d2ag
[05:35] <slackthumbz> byobu :)
[05:35] <phonex01> it is not secodry
[05:36] <HazRPG> slackthumbz: ooo, what you using for your menu?
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: which driver are you using? the free one or the fglrx one?
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: fglrx is more prone to break
[05:37] <HazRPG> slackthumbz: or is that just an invisible gnome panel?
[05:37] <slackthumbz> AWN
[05:37] <shauno> gnome's own panels can look pretty sexy when you don't get stupid panel-applets that try to enforce their own background :/
[05:37] <phonex01> i installed the driver from ATI
[05:38] <slackthumbz> awn, faenza icons, orta gtk theme
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: that's fglrx, and that's the problem
[05:40] <ball> If I start an X client and specify a geometry of 192x168-8+8, it seems to be a lot more than 8 pixels away from the right hand edge of the screen.
[05:41] <ball> ...Is that to leave room for some kind of dock?
[05:41] <shauno> I think the window borders have some kind of invisible width lately
[05:43] <ball> Looks more like 128 pixels away from the right-hand edge
[05:44] <ball> brb battery's flat
[05:49] <HazRPG> slackthumbz: I did notice it was faenza icons... nice setup though :)
[05:50] <slackthumbz> ty
[05:51] <slackthumbz> I've also been building gnome-shell from their gt repository using jhbuild lately. Can't say it's as good as gnome 2.x but it seems to be improving. Haven't tried the latest Unity stuff in the Natty alhpha yet.
[05:54] <ball> There, that's better.
[06:46] <knightwise> morning
[06:46] <slackthumbz> afternoon
[06:46] <knightwise> hey slackthumbz
[06:46] <knightwise> how are you today
[06:46] <slackthumbz> not bad
[06:46] <slackthumbz> how's it going?
[06:47] <knightwise> doing fine , working from home today so i get to have my linux laptop along site of me all day long
[06:47] <slackthumbz> nice, at my office we use debian on the desktop
[06:48] <slackthumbz> but I'm on holiday atm so it's kind of a moot point. Got my netbook with me
[06:50] <knightwise> cool , what are you running ?
[06:50] <slackthumbz> ubuntu 10.10
[06:50] <knightwise> what netbook ?
[06:50] <slackthumbz> going to install the 11.04 alpha on a spare partition when I get back to the UK
[06:51] <slackthumbz> HP Mini
[06:51]  * knightwise is running 10.10 on his Macbook air
[06:51] <knightwise> cool , nice little machine that is !
[06:51] <slackthumbz> :)
[06:51] <slackthumbz> building gnome-shell from the git repositories at the moment
[06:52] <slackthumbz> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#Building
[06:52] <knightwise> whow :) thats beyond my level of geekery
[06:52] <slackthumbz> it's surprisingly simple
[06:52] <slackthumbz> the gnome uys have provided some nice tools to ease the process
[06:52] <slackthumbz> guys*
[06:52] <knightwise> i still need to try unity
[06:53] <slackthumbz> I wasn't fond of the unity build that shipped with 10.10
[06:53] <slackthumbz> but I've yet to try any of the newer stuff
[06:53] <knightwise> think 10.4 will be better ,
[06:53] <knightwise> ?
[06:54] <slackthumbz> probably, will be interesting to see
[06:54] <knightwise> true
[06:54] <knightwise> i'm currently meddling with some command line stuff
[06:54] <knightwise> alpine , irssi, centerim .. byobu , twidge .. stuff like that
[06:54] <knightwise> somehow love the command line interface :)
[06:55] <slackthumbz> CLI is the best, it's been my favourite tool since 1998
[06:57] <slackthumbz> Don't think I could live without my embedded terminal
[06:58] <slackthumbz>  http://ompldr.org/vN3d2ag
[07:08] <knightwise> true slackthumbz
[07:09] <knightwise> cool , whats the name of that package ?
[07:09] <slackthumbz> package?
[07:10] <knightwise> for the embedded terminal you showed me in the screenshot ?
[07:10] <slackthumbz> ah
[07:10] <slackthumbz> it's gnome-terminal
[07:10] <slackthumbz> you use compiz window rules to get rid of the window deocrations and things
[07:10] <knightwise> aaah thats how you do it
[07:11] <knightwise> :) i thought it was some kind of live wallpaper
[07:11] <slackthumbz> nah, pretty simple to set up though
[07:11] <slackthumbz> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/05/ubuntu-embed-terminal-into-you-desktop.html
[07:14] <knightwise> hahaha :) very cool !
[07:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning peeps
[07:27] <slackthumbz> mornin'
[07:30] <knightwise> hey TheOpenSourcerer
[07:30] <knightwise> how are you today
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm well thanks knightwise - and your good self?
[07:33] <knightwise> doing fine
[07:34] <knightwise> bit annoyed by my super sensitive touchpad on my macbook air under 10.10
[07:34] <knightwise> but for the rest, all is well
[07:35] <slackthumbz> Preferrences->Mouse go to the general tab and adjust the sensitivity there
[07:35] <knightwise> its not that its to "fast" in responding
[07:35] <knightwise> but when i just ever so gently touch it with the palm of my hand while typing ...
[07:35] <slackthumbz> ah
[07:35] <knightwise> boom .. cursus hops around
[07:35] <slackthumbz> I hate it when that happens
[07:35] <knightwise> i did the disable while typing option
[07:51] <daubers> Morning
[07:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - where will it all end? Samsung F3 1TB (7200RPM) drive £37.99 inc. VAT from eBuyer this morning...
[07:52] <knightwise> oooh
[07:53] <knightwise> sounds nice
[07:53] <knightwise> hey daubers how are you today
[07:53] <daubers> Awake! (honest!)
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Totally OT but does anyone have any decent design ideas/templates for invoices or other business docs?
[07:58] <knightwise> ha :) Ubuntu using grandmother turns 84 today :)
[07:58] <knightwise> Happy birthday Gran-buntu ! :)
[07:59] <slackthumbz> :)
[07:59] <knightwise> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuForGrandma
[08:00] <knightwise> its an older article , she's switching to 10.10 next week
[08:00] <knightwise> she's on 9.04 now
[08:08] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Thats a bit.... open to interpretation as to what is "decent"
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Yep - I'm happy to do the interpreting :-)
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am just after some inspiration really.
[08:09] <daubers> Heh, ours are all built by filemaker :(
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - That still going?
[08:09] <knightwise> try the office live library and steal ideas from there ?
[08:10] <daubers> Yup, it's not too bad in fairness to it. But it does require OSX
[08:10] <daubers> and the server bit is a pita
[08:10] <slackthumbz> I hate filemaker
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> knightwise: "steal" probably isn't the right word... But I hadn't even looked there tbh - do I need MSO to look at the layouts?
[08:12] <knightwise> I'm not sure , i think so ...
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - They have a *very* long Service Agreement I have to agree to. Can't be arsed to read it all.
[08:14] <knightwise> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/templates-FX101741961.aspx?CTT=97
[08:21] <daubers> \o/ program no longer leaking file descriptors
[08:27] <DJones> Morning
[08:44] <bigcalm> Greetings early Earthlings
[08:44] <knightwise> hey DJones bigcalm
[08:45]  * DJones takes bigcalm to AlanBell our new leader/poc/gopher/general dogsbody :)
[08:45] <DJones> Hi knightwise
[08:46] <bigcalm> Ah, I was wondering what the official title was going to be
[08:46] <AlanBell> lizard
[08:46] <DJones> bigcalm: I think the correct answer is "To be confirmed"
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh morning el Presidente
[08:47] <DJones> AlanBell: Lizard? Where has that come from, but thanks for the reminder, must remember to set my recorder for the new series of V starting this week
[08:48] <bigcalm> Oh god
[08:48] <bigcalm> I thought that show had died
[08:48] <bigcalm> (been canceled)
[08:48] <AlanBell> http://takemetoyourlizard.blogspot.com/2007/05/where-my-blog-got-its-name.html
[08:48] <DJones> 2nd series starts on Thursday
[08:49] <DJones> AlanBell: Makes sense now
[08:49] <bigcalm> I can't even remember which channel we were watching it on. This is how rememberable the show was :(
[08:50] <bigcalm> I only watched it for the Firefly crew. Even they couldn't hold it together
[08:50] <DJones> bigcalm: Probably SyFy channel
[08:50] <bigcalm> DJones: seems probable
[08:50] <DJones> I enjoyed it
[08:51] <bigcalm> I like the premise and the production values. But it was just meh somehow
[08:51] <bigcalm> Like the 1st ep of Flash Forward was great!
[08:51] <DJones> I watched the 1st 4 episodes there, and then watched the rest via the web because I couldn't be bothered waiting for it to be broadcast in the uk
[08:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:52] <DJones> Flashforward started well, slowed down but then got good towards the end
[08:52] <bigcalm> I will get around to reading the book
[08:52] <DJones> The one I was disappointed that got cancelled was Jericho, only had about 1.5 series
[08:53] <bigcalm> Right now we're enjoying Castle. So glad that it's made it to a 3rd series
[08:53] <DJones> bigcalm: Flashforward book? I've read it, it bears no resemblence to the series but as is usual was much better than the series
[08:53] <bigcalm> That's what I'm hoping for :)
[08:54] <hoover> mornin
[08:54] <hoover> I agree, flashforward had great potential
[08:54] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[09:04] <hoover> hey biggie
[09:20]  * bigcalm ponders having a dubstep day
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: don't do it! :)
[09:29]  * BigRedS is having a metal day
[09:29] <BigRedS> well, morning. Until anybody else gets in...
[09:30]  * daubers has been driving in with no music the past couple of days, and found it oddly relaxing
[09:32] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: hello :)
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Hello. How was the ferryman?
[09:38] <JamesTait> Hello, hello! It's a beautiful day! :D
[09:38] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: good , just home
[09:39] <knightwise> hey czajkowski ! Morning
[09:39] <knightwise> great appearance on UUPC btw
[09:40] <czajkowski> thanks
[09:41] <knightwise> good talk on RMS too !
[09:45] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:49] <n1md4> Good morning
[09:56]  * Daviey grumbles at czajkowski 
[09:56]  * czajkowski stuffs Daviey full of banana less grumbling 
[09:56] <Daviey> yes ma'am.
[10:05] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: bit ahead of themselves http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/sixnations/2011/0322/england_video.html
[10:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:06] <czajkowski> watcht eh video!
[10:07] <mungojerry> it seems there is some sort of strike on today at uni
[10:07] <mungojerry> walked through as many picket lines as possible to wind up the commie newspaper sellers :)
[10:08] <mungojerry> AKA rent-a-picket
[10:08] <DJones> mungojerry: It got nmentioned on teh radio, university lecturers on a 24 hour strike over pensions
[10:09] <screen-x> No trains from cardiff central this morning due to power failure :(
[10:10] <mungojerry> DJones: it hasn't got much support tbh
[10:10]  * mungojerry isn't in the union anyway - costs more than my monthly mobile tariff
[10:17]  * popey sees http://wiki.qemu.org/Google_Summer_of_Code_2011#BeBox_system_emulation and thinks of brobostigon
[10:28] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:28] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:28] <s-fox> o/
[10:28] <s-fox> How're you?
[10:28] <dogmatic69> cool and you
[10:29] <JGJones> czajkowski, rofl at the video :D Ireland was amazing in that match.
[10:30] <czajkowski> JGJones: aye
[10:30] <s-fox> fabulous,  stomping around the ubuntu forums dealing with spam dogmatic69 .
[10:30] <JGJones> Pity about Wales falling apart at the last hurdle.
[10:34] <s-fox> hmm,  no more spam.  >.<
[10:35] <popey> o_O
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:37] <s-fox> popey,  That chrome advert you tweetwed was neat =)
[10:37]  * popey wonders what's going on with the bot
[10:38] <popey> 10:17:36  * popey sees http://wiki.qemu.org/Google_Summer_of_Code_2011#BeBox_system_emulation and thinks of brobostigon
[10:38]  * brobostigon wakes up.
[10:39]  * DJones provides brobostigon with a new alarm clock
[10:39] <brobostigon> popey: interesting, thank you.
[10:39] <brobostigon> DJones: i woke up, as popey cameup with soething interesting.
[10:40] <DJones> Ah
[10:40] <brobostigon> that will be interesting,
[10:41] <brobostigon> i need to keep an eye on that.
[10:42] <JGJones> Just read this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197 -  - Religion going extinct (hmm which remind me, I forgot to do my census...it's still sitting in my intray
[10:44] <mungojerry> JGJones: england reported 80% christianity last census when the true churchgoing figures are much less. it may be that culture has changed so that people don't go to church if they don't believe.
[10:45] <JGJones> Bah...10 years to prepare and they have the census available in 56 languages but British Sign Language, an official language of UK isn't listed.
[10:46] <popey> there is a dvd
[10:46] <popey> http://help.census.gov.uk/england/help/help-and-information/SupplementaryMaterials/BSLguidanceDVD.html
[10:46] <JGJones> ah thanks, will pass that onto my friends as they just asked :)
[10:47] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=census+british+sign+language
[10:47] <popey> thats how i found it :)
[10:47] <JGJones> hmm they're asking me about Q18/19
[10:47] <JGJones> Language = sign language
[10:47] <JGJones> then 19 - implies speak?
[10:47] <s-fox> I have BSL level 1 qualification.   I am yet to actually need it for anything.
[10:47] <JGJones> um...I read and write it very well.
[10:47] <gord> i wonder why google needs sourceid=chrome in there
[10:47] <JGJones> but speak it?
[10:48] <JGJones> s-fox, you haven't met me yet. When you do, you'll need it ;-)
[10:48] <s-fox> JGJones,  Then it shall be fun :)
[10:49]  * DJones waits for an incoming livingdaylight asking about kubuntu
[10:55] <mungojerry> i think that was the last bond film i watched
[10:55]  * brobostigon just had to explain the whole history of BeOS and the BeBox to someone because of that qemu link.
[10:56] <dogmatic69> anyone know how i can bypass this on EC2? The disk drive for /mnt/ebsimage is not ready yet or not present Continue to wait; or Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery
[10:57] <dogmatic69> that is what "ec2-get-console-output" is saying... so it seems my box is just sitting waiting for input or the drive to mount
[11:00] <popey> gord: it doesn't "need" it
[11:00] <popey> gord: i just copy/pasted from my browser
[11:00] <gord> popey, of course - i didn't mean it like that
[11:00] <gord> i was just wondering why
[11:01] <popey> revenue
[11:01] <gord> google gets the browser id in the http headers
[11:01] <gord> revenue would make sense... if it wasn't chrome ;)
[11:02] <gord> an interesting way to embezzle money though
[11:02] <popey> heh
[11:04] <screen-x> gord: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/google-tax-cut/google-terminal.html
[11:05] <mungojerry> like google needs the money...and vodafone for that matter
[11:06] <mungojerry> are canonical registered in isle of man for tax purposes?
[11:07] <AlanBell> yes
[11:07] <AlanBell> and pretty much all software licenses for major suppliers come via ireland
[11:07] <popey> one bit of canonical is
[11:07] <mungojerry> i wouldn't expect they have turned a profit  thoguh
[11:10] <s-fox> mungojerry,  Google employed 24,400 full-time employees as of December 31, 2010. I am sure they pay them all salaries ;)
[11:10] <s-fox> So, yes I think they might need money :)
[11:11] <mungojerry> s-fox: yes but corporate tax avoidance to the tune of $3bn is rather unethical woulnd't you say?
[11:11] <AlanBell> evasion is unethical, avoidance is good accountancy
[11:11] <s-fox> I agree with AlanBell .
[11:12] <mungojerry> evasion is unlawful, avoidance is potentially unethical IMO
[11:12] <screen-x> somone has to keep DJones in a job..
[11:12] <AlanBell> however the public sector purchasing licenses for proprietary software which is untaxed in this country is an ethical issue for the public sector
[11:12] <DJones> screen-x: I don't do tax
[11:12] <AlanBell> DJones: neither does google
[11:12] <screen-x> haha
[11:12] <AlanBell> or Microsoft
[11:13] <AlanBell> or IBM
[11:13] <AlanBell> popey: where do SAP/Oracle licenses ship from
[11:13] <popey> not sure they "ship" from anywhere
[11:13] <popey> CD/DVDs usually come from Germany
[11:13] <popey> but most people dont order optical media much anymore, but download instead
[11:14] <AlanBell> paper licence certificates for IBM stuff used to come from Ireland and the CDs until they went download only (floppys before that I think)
[11:14] <popey> although that's bizarro
[11:14] <screen-x> popey: I guess its not so much where the product comes from, but where the entity you send the money to is
[11:15] <popey> i am not involved in that side
[11:15]  * popey is just a lowly techy grunt :)
[11:15] <screen-x> popey: I'm not sure I believe that
[11:15]  * popey shrugs
[11:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Careful popey - I nearly misread grunt... ;-)
[11:17] <screen-x> \o/ the refresh link in gmail is finally a button, should have been one ages ago.
[11:17] <bigcalm> So it is
[11:17] <bigcalm> How quaint
[11:17] <mungojerry> either twitter is really flaky lately, or hotot has only just started telling me when there's problems..i think it's the latter
[11:18] <bigcalm> Dubstep day didn't last long. I'm enjoying REM - Lotus for the 1st time in several years
[11:19] <mungojerry> i rediscovered that sugarcubes sounded much better that bjork solo stuff
[11:19] <bigcalm> mungojerry: miss-read that as Sugarbabes
[11:19]  * bigcalm shudders
[11:19] <mungojerry> heh
[11:19] <popey> ITYM Sugababes
[11:19] <popey> :)
[11:20]  * mungojerry is wearing his redhat t-shirt for work today..what a geek.
[11:20] <popey> one of the earliest linux screenshots I still have online features the Sugababes :)
[11:20] <mungojerry> the difference between owning a redhat thsirt and ubuntu one is that i paid for the ubuntu one
[11:20] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/scrot/2004-01-14-000416_1280x960_scrot.png
[11:21] <mungojerry> is that GAIM?
[11:21] <bigcalm> Looks like it
[11:21] <brobostigon> xfce, lookslike.
[11:22] <popey> yes
[11:22] <popey> i used to use xfce on debian
[11:22] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/scrot/2005-09-21-224627_1920x1200_scrot.png is fun
[11:22] <popey> running lots of versions of windows at once under qemu :)
[11:22] <brobostigon> lol :)
[11:22] <gord> someone should design a laptop keyboard that never gets warm ever - not a nice feeling on sunny warm days
[11:22] <bigcalm> You horrible man :P
[11:23] <mungojerry> linux desktop has come some way since then..although the screenshots look like my desktop from 1999
[11:24] <mungojerry> ubuntu font made a nice difference actually
[11:28] <davmor2> popey: man yum  old ;)
[11:32] <screen-x> grr windguru for iphone is giving a different forecast to windguru.cz for the same model (GFS)
[11:36] <screen-x> The iphone app doesn't give the time that the  model was run, so I suspect its old data. Shame, as its a more favourable forecast.
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: Now try again with OS/2 version :)
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> s
[11:39] <popey> :)
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> I tried to run OS/2 in QEmu once
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> but it failed
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> Some 286 opcode that was too hard/impossible to implement :|
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> (this was OS/2 Warp 3)
[11:42] <mungojerry> does anyone know how to forward mail from gmail but exclude the spam? apparently it forwards ALL mail.
[11:43] <screen-x> mungojerry: use a filter
[11:44] <screen-x> doesnt have: label:spam
[11:44] <livingdaylight> greetings comrades
[11:45] <mungojerry> screen-x: forward doesn't allow that option though does it?
[11:46] <mungojerry> screen-x: think i've got it cheers
[11:48] <mungojerry> screen-x: however, "Warning: Filter searches containing "label:",  "in:", or "is:" criteria are not recommended, as these criteria will never match incoming mail."
[11:49] <screen-x> mungojerry: they do match incoming mail, but order is important, and there is no way to reorder filters without modifying them :(
[11:50] <screen-x> Having said that, I don't know whether the spam label is applied before or after filters..
[12:15] <mungojerry> screen-x: cheers, got it working :)
[12:33] <mungojerry> brobostigon: does unity on the eee run in 2d or 3d?
[12:34] <brobostigon> mungojerry: runs inboth here.
[12:34] <mungojerry> 2d is quicker i guess
[12:35] <brobostigon> yes, but miles.
[12:35] <brobostigon> by miles*
[12:35] <brobostigon> unity2d.*
[12:35] <brobostigon> !info unity-2d natty
[12:36] <mungojerry> brobostigon: are you running any cpu scaling
[12:36] <mungojerry> i seem to spend ages setting it up each time i destroy my setup
[12:37] <brobostigon> mungojerry: no cpu scaling.
[12:39] <dogmatic69> man, could anyone help me with getting a ssl cert working? bought one off thawte.. cant find the right guide to use for this
[12:40] <dogmatic69> have not seen two tutorials doing the same thing
[12:44] <screen-x> dogmatic69: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#realcert
[12:46] <dogmatic69> that is for a self signed something?
[12:48] <screen-x> dogmatic69: no, thats for generating CSR to send to CA, then installing signed cert.
[12:50] <screen-x> dogmatic69: example of using real cert http://paste.ubuntu.com/583774/
[12:59] <dogmatic69> screen-x: thanks, its just that people already done half of this
[12:59] <dogmatic69> suck a mess
[13:02] <dogmatic69> right, "openssl x509 -noout -text -in server.crt" gives some legit looking output
[13:10] <screen-x> dogmatic69: I have to lookup the openssl incantations each time I install a cert, I don't do it often enough to remember..
[13:12]  * screen-x submits census
[13:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: what have you done to moodoo ?
[13:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: no idea I'm assuming he is on nights or holiday
[13:17] <czajkowski> odd
[13:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's Ireland
[13:17] <czajkowski> he usually still joins you in tormenting me
[13:17] <czajkowski> davmor2: brief visit
[13:17] <czajkowski> grand got to see the sister
[13:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: Oi I ain't said nothing to you, apart from this how dare you trundle past wolverhampton on the train and not pay a visit :P
[13:19] <czajkowski> pff you'd have been asleep
[13:19] <czajkowski> option was at 8am yesterday or at 3am this morning take your pick
[13:21] <screen-x> the census envelope makes quite a good hat, I propose we all wear them on the 27th
[13:23] <selinuxium> Hi all   o.
[13:23] <selinuxium> o/
[13:23] <popey> lo
[13:23] <czajkowski> selinuxium: howdy
[13:23] <davmor2> selinuxium: morning
[13:24] <selinuxium> Anyone done an upgrade to 11.04? I was wondering if I should test it or just flatten the laptop...
[13:24] <BigRedS> screen-x: isn't it supposed to not be filled in until the 27th?
[13:25] <czajkowski> aye
[13:26] <screen-x> BigRedS: As far as I know, its about the 27th, but can be filled in early, if the situation on the 27th is known.
[13:26] <screen-x> census.gov.uk says "It's time to fill it in"
[13:27]  * mungojerry hasn't opened his census letter yet, it's still sitting unopened on the stairs along with unopened bills and this months copy of linux magazine
[13:29] <directhex> i haven't opened these bottles of rum i received this morning
[13:29] <directhex> i should fix this later
[13:30] <mungojerry> when does census need to be done by?
[13:30] <BigRedS> ISTR it's supposed to be filled in on the 27th and posted by the 31st
[13:31] <gord> i did mine online weeks ago
[13:31] <mungojerry> BigRedS: really?
[13:32] <mungojerry> what if you are on holiday for 3 weeks? i only got mine last week
[13:33] <screen-x> mungojerry: then you have too much annual leave ;-)
[13:33]  * mungojerry wonders how everyone knows about the census
[13:33] <mungojerry> it wasn't on slashdot on ubuntu planet so i didn't see it
[13:33] <popey> via the media and a "census" through the letter bocks
[13:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: it's dawned on me what you're up to, you've gone over for some Irish Bunting for the Ubuntu Rugby Grudge^wMatch :)
[13:34] <mungojerry> the only media i look at is sd card and usb sticks
[13:35] <dogmatic69> does this look like a "SSLCACertificateFile" https://search.thawte.com/library/VERISIGN/ALL_OTHER/thawte%20ca/SSL123_CA_Bundle.pem
[13:35] <mungojerry> maybe they should start printing the news on the inside of nappies, since that is where i seem to spend most time
[13:35] <screen-x> mungojerry: maybe you should sitdown with directhex, drink rum and read the news
[13:35] <dogmatic69> seems like that is needed for the ssl to work properly?
[13:35] <mungojerry> are all questions compulsory?
[13:35] <BigRedS> religion isn't
[13:35] <BigRedS> but otherwise I think so
[13:36] <mungojerry> do they ask if you are a homosexual vegan druid like my recent employer survey
[13:36] <screen-x> dogmatic69: looks like SSLCertificateChainFile
[13:36] <popey> co-worker just filled in a Bupa form
[13:36] <popey> one field was very specific
[13:36] <popey> "Sex at birth"
[13:37] <dogmatic69> screen-x: ah, same thing, new directive from what ive read... so that text just goes all in one file and then "SSLCertificateChainFile /path/to/it"
[13:37] <Pendulum> popey: was there another question about "current sex"?
[13:37] <mungojerry> were you born with a winkle? do you still have the winkle
[13:37] <popey> no Pendulum
[13:38] <screen-x> dogmatic69: yeah
[13:39] <dogmatic69> man... it has thawpe or whatever in the details, but says its invalid
[13:40] <dogmatic69> even seems to be using the ssl middle part thing.. https://e6.geneo.co.uk/
[13:40] <davmor2> Pendulum: no but you would have miss, mrs and mr as give aways as to how you live your life ;)
[13:40] <Pendulum> davmor2: fair enough :)
[13:41] <popey> dunno if it does actually
[13:41] <popey> he's wandered off with the form to fax it
[13:47] <dogmatic69> think its working, chrome is just thinking its still wwrong
[13:57] <mungojerry> anyone got any good london-based conferences coming up?
[13:58] <mungojerry> going to the infosec show in april,but thats about it
[14:06] <bigcalm> There are likely to be some 11.04 release parties
[14:09] <mungojerry> bigcalm: that's mainly a beer drinking event , though isn't it?
[14:09] <mungojerry> probably couldn't get a day off for that
[14:10] <screen-x> mungojerry: do you use vmware?
[14:11] <mungojerry> yes, with vsphere/vcentre
[14:11] <screen-x> mungojerry: could register for vforum, reasonable food, free to attend, high chance of getting a day off work for it..
[14:11] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:11] <mungojerry> screen-x: got an email about that today
[14:12] <screen-x> downside is its very anti FLOSS :(
[14:12] <mungojerry> where is it held?
[14:12] <mungojerry> the london one
[14:14] <screen-x> mungojerry: don't know. I'm not planning on going this year.
[14:15] <mungojerry> the registration website doesn't say :(
[14:15] <screen-x> mungojerry: last year was at Novotel London West
[14:15] <mungojerry> vmware spout a lot of corporate mumbo jumbo too :P
[14:15] <screen-x> (thanks google calendar)
[14:15] <screen-x> mungojerry: yeah :/
[14:15] <mungojerry> i feel like i'm in a dilbert cartoon
[14:16] <mungojerry> whenever i do any vmware research
[14:17] <screen-x> mungojerry: have to keep your head down this week, alice is in charge
[14:17] <mungojerry> i noticed
[14:23]  * bigcalm slap hugs popey
[14:26] <bigcalm> My minecraft pig just ran accross my desk
[14:26] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Welcome to the matrix?
[14:28] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: wind
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> ah
[14:28] <bigcalm> But it did make me jump
[14:28] <screen-x> bigcalm: did you make a cardboard minecraft pig?
[14:29] <popey> :) bigcalm
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: where do you get the templates for those?
[14:29]  * MartijnVdS wants to annoy a few coworkers
[14:29] <popey> i have them in my dropbox
[14:30] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/papercraft/
[14:30] <popey> in fact
[14:30] <mungojerry> hmm does postfix require a reload after a logrotate of mail logs?
[14:31] <Hackbinary> hello
[14:32] <Hackbinary> which version of debian is ubuntu based on ?
[14:35] <kazade> Hackbinary, I think it's unstable usually and testing for an LTS ... although I might be wrong
[14:35] <Hackbinary> cheers, that's what I thought
[14:48]  * X3N note to self remember not to wear shirt I had my hair cut in :|
[14:49] <X3N> so. very. itchy..
[14:52] <BigRedS> haha
[14:52] <BigRedS> that's partly why I gave up haircuts
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: bald++?
[14:53] <BigRedS> hah, no. I have flowing locks
[14:53] <BigRedS> well, a mass of hair
[14:53] <DJones> Duh, some people who run websites/forums are so thick.  Using Chrome, a forum I use was flagged up as distributing malware, so reported it to the administrator, one of the things they've come back with is that it doesn't show up as an error in Internet Explorer.......
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> They're so dense, they almost collapse into a black hole
[14:55] <mungojerry> UGH.....yum install imagemagick : No Match for argument: imagemagick
[14:55] <mungojerry> yum install ImageMagick: Installing:
[14:55] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Somebody else has asked "Could be because of the cookies"?
[14:55] <gord> DJones, prolly the malware they already contracted hijacking their hotmail address to send that reply to you
[14:55] <mungojerry> DJones: very likely something in their cookies, yes!
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> DJones: time to get out of the way before you're caught beyond the event horizon
[14:56] <DJones> gord: Nah, the malware would ask a more intelligent question
[15:04] <BigRedS> mungojerry: that's part of the reason I love working on centos boxes :/
[15:09] <mungojerry> BigRedS: and bizarrely , the script on centos4 machine using imagemagick is producing output rotated by 90 degrees :(
[15:10] <BigRedS> haha, awesome!
[15:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Archos update - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/135204.html
[15:29] <livingdaylight> Greetings
[15:44] <smittix> Hi all
[15:56] <screen-x> hi smittix and livingdaylight :)
[15:56] <livingdaylight> hi screen-x
[15:56] <screen-x> Google: do not be evil, stop patenting random things http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Google-doodles-itself-a-patent-1212681.html
[15:56] <livingdaylight> Iḿ in my new kubuntu environment here :p
[15:56] <BigRedS> that's the happiest emoticon I've seen near an implication of kde in quite a while :)
[15:56] <livingdaylight> Never knew what Quassel was before today
[15:56] <smittix> hi screen-x
[15:57] <livingdaylight> BigRedS: :)
[15:57] <livingdaylight> BigRedS: there seems nothing wrong with it
[15:57] <smittix> Been working on a site all day whilst on tramadol for a bad back. I have gotten nowhere.
[15:59] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: Ah, I got bored of it forgetting arbitrary customisations of mine
[16:00] <mungojerry>  trying to install natty on my eee pc and seems to get stuck after the first couple of screens :(
[16:00] <BigRedS> it was amusing for a while, guessing which thing would be deconfigured on login, but did get tiring after a while...
[16:00] <livingdaylight> well, Iḿ on day 1 here. Lets see how it goes
[16:00] <screen-x> livingdaylight: you seem to have accented 'm's
[16:00] <BigRedS> ah yeah. it's generally good to ignore my complaints about software. I complain about most software :)
[16:01] <livingdaylight> screen-x: keyboard is playing up
[16:09] <DJones> Oh how exciting, Amazons Android App store is open and I can get Angry Birds Rio for free for a limited time
[16:10]  * mungojerry realises he hasn't played angry birds for months
[16:10] <BigRedS> angry birds rio?
[16:10] <BigRedS> a brazillian version?
[16:10] <mungojerry> i thought they were all free
[16:11] <DJones> BigRedS: http://www.amazon.com/mobile-apps/b/ref=pe_143140_19270210_topnav_storetab_mas?ie=UTF8&node=2350149011
[16:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Im not a Mac fan. But& - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/02/16/im-not-a-mac-fan-but/
[16:14] <mungojerry> ^^ isn't that a really old article mr bot?
[16:22] <mungojerry> DJones: i can't seem to download the FREE game without a purchase method
[16:22] <DJones> I've no idea, I haven't bothered with it
[16:23] <mungojerry> its a swizz
[16:23] <DJones> Maybe because Amazon is a commercial entity, they want you to put a card number etc in so that next time you accidentally click on something they can bill you directly
[16:23] <mungojerry> i suspect so
[16:24] <mungojerry> uninstalled their POC appstore
[16:25] <DJones> I would guess that a large part of the apps will be duplicated in the android market anyway (if not all)
[16:26] <mungojerry> i haven't found an app worth buying yet in 12 months
[16:27] <gord> iv bought loads of stuff on the android market
[16:28] <DJones> Same here in 2 years, the only one I would buy is swype if my beta test ever runs out
[16:28] <mungojerry> maybe i'm missing out - what is there?
[16:28] <gord> in my view, if you use something, its worth buying
[16:28] <popey> its US only
[16:28] <mungojerry> popey: strange that it let me install their market app
[16:28] <mungojerry> at least it let me uninstall :P
[16:28] <mungojerry> ...or did it
[16:29] <popey> it says in big letters at the top
[16:29]  * mungojerry is liking the natty installer...shame i didn't plug a real monitor into this eee pc
[16:29] <popey> "The Amazon Appstore is only available to customers located in the United States.
[16:29] <DJones> popey: Now you said that, I've just gone and looked and noticed the big letters at the top
[16:29] <mungojerry> i don't look at banners
[16:29] <mungojerry> my brain is trained to disregard them
[16:29]  * DJones makes an excuse that he only reads small print, if its big print, its an advert to be ignored
[16:30] <livingdaylight> greetings
[16:30] <popey> hello goodbye hello
[16:31] <SuperMatt> installing firefox 4, what method are people using?
[16:31] <mungojerry> using lucid, i'm using a PPA i found
[16:31] <marxjohnson> waiting until 10.04 :P
[16:31] <popey> I'm using the "just use what I have" method
[16:31] <marxjohnson> 10.10*
[16:31] <popey> s/10.04/11.04/
[16:32] <marxjohnson> damn
[16:32] <marxjohnson> yes
[16:32] <SuperMatt> I'm using the dailies ppa, and have done for a while, but that's really "minefield" and is version 4.0b13pre
[16:32] <livingdaylight> i wonder whether my wireless card is on its last legs
[16:32] <SuperMatt> sure, it's a release from last night
[16:33] <popey> the builds for 10.10 ff4 are nearly done
[16:33] <mungojerry> SuperMatt:  4.0~rc1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~eugenesan~lucid1
[16:34] <DJones> SuperMatt: Isn't firefox 4 still only in beta at the minute, so it would still be Minefield
[16:34] <livingdaylight_> gord:  you were saying you liek to pay for things you use?
[16:34] <X3N> http://glow.mozilla.org/
[16:34] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6339/how-do-i-install-firefox-4
[16:34] <popey> that will be updated in a few minutes
[16:34] <SuperMatt> DJones: it's out.
[16:34] <gord> livingdaylight_, if the thing i use wants money, then sure
[16:34] <livingdaylight_> my wireless is fading in and out of consciousness
[16:34] <gord> i can afford the £1 that the market is asking, i will just go without my mars bar for the day
[16:35] <gord> not that i eat a mars bar every day :P
[16:35] <mungojerry> a mars a day helps you work rest and play
[16:35] <kazade> http://glow.mozilla.org/
[16:35] <livingdaylight_> gord: thatś not the same as " in my view, if you use something, its worth buying "
[16:35] <mungojerry> gord: interested which apps you have bought
[16:36] <DJones> SuperMatt: Right, just checked, from what I saw, its only been released today
[16:36] <gord> livingdaylight_, how is it not the same?
[16:36] <livingdaylight_> different logic
[16:36] <gord> livingdaylight_, no its not
[16:36] <livingdaylight_> ok
[16:39] <popey> Nice guide to putting webapps in the #ubuntu unity launcher. http://popey.me/f8daBc
[16:39] <popey> oops, that was supposed to be a tweet
[16:39] <popey> hey ho
[16:39] <mungojerry> anyone know how to get unity 2d running instead of 3d?
[16:40] <DJones> popey: Do you use irssi for twitter?
[16:40] <marxjohnson> mungojerry: you can get the old netbook interface if that's what you mean
[16:40] <popey> yes DJones
[16:40] <popey> mungojerry: yes
[16:40] <popey> marxjohnson: there's a unity 2d, new one
[16:40] <marxjohnson> ooh
[16:40] <mungojerry> it's qt based
[16:40] <marxjohnson> oooooooh
[16:40] <marxjohnson> how exciting
[16:40] <DJones> popey: What method do you use for that, I tried one ages ago without sucess, but I'm tempted to try again
[16:40] <popey> mungojerry:  http://popey.me/haHkMc
[16:40] <popey> ^^ guide to unity 2d
[16:41] <mungojerry> merci
[16:41] <popey> np
[16:41] <popey> DJones: twirssi
[16:41] <marxjohnson> is it only on natty?
[16:41] <DJones> Thanks, I'll investigate that
[16:41] <mungojerry> marxjohnson: check out popey's link
[16:41] <marxjohnson> just did, sorry getting over excited an forgetting to read ;-)
[16:42] <gord> back in the initial prototyping days of unity we had proper webapp support - webapps were basically just another application, it was fun
[16:42] <popey> lol
[16:42] <mungojerry> bah nothing fits on this screen
[16:43] <gord> chromium sucked too much though and no one had the chrome knowledge to fix it - firefox prism was broken in all sorts of stupid ways, so it was removed. damn shame
[16:44] <mungojerry> gord: is that what jolicloud do?
[16:44] <gord> mungojerry, not sure, never used jolicloud
[16:45] <gord> in the eyes of unity though, a webapp was no different from say, gedit though
[16:45] <mungojerry> i used to use it, and they had loads of useless prism apps that were slow. they switched to chrome but i wasn't interested in the web apps
[16:46] <mungojerry> i think thats the joli way. but i used it before html5 and offline use
[16:46] <mungojerry> so a bit pointless really
[16:46] <popey> mungojerry: no, its what peppermint does though
[16:46] <mungojerry> unity launcher isn't hiding when apps are fullscreen :(
[16:46] <popey> jolicloud actually installs real apps
[16:47] <popey> "real"
[16:47] <mungojerry> does real and cloud
[16:49] <mungojerry> www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/22/play_blames_marketing_firm_for_spam_snafu/
[16:52] <popey> yeah, i got an apology email some days back
[16:54] <mungojerry> unity 2d is looking more bust than 3d atm
[17:00] <brobostigon> hello everyone.
[17:16] <popey> Yay! Firefox 4 built for 10.04 and 10.10 now! http://askubuntu.com/questions/6339/how-do-i-install-firefox-4/612
[17:22] <marxjohnson> does it take a while to show up in the PPA if its just been built?
[17:22] <marxjohnson> (i lied about waiting till 11.04)
[17:26] <marxjohnson> Ah, there it is!
[17:30] <kaushal> Hi
[17:31] <kaushal> popey: hi
[17:31] <kaushal> I saw your reply
[17:31] <popey> which one?
[17:33] <kaushal> popey: please give me a moment
[17:34] <kaushal> squid-deb-proxy-client
[17:34] <kaushal> not sure i understand that
[17:34] <popey> what bit don't you understand?
[17:35] <kaushal> so do i need to populate the repositories
[17:35] <kaushal> I use deb-mirror as of now
[17:35] <popey> You need to no more than I said in the mail
[17:35] <popey> install squid-deb-proxy on the server
[17:35] <popey> install squid-deb-proxy-client on the clients
[17:35] <popey> that's _it_
[17:35] <screen-x> avahi?
[17:36] <kaushal> ok
[17:36] <popey> yup
[17:36] <screen-x> \o/
[17:36] <kaushal> so there is no need of local ubuntu mirror ?
[17:36] <popey> correct
[17:36] <kaushal> oh ok
[17:36] <popey> unless you really want/need one
[17:37] <kaushal> how does it work ?
[17:37] <kaushal> so no need to edit sources.list ?
[17:37] <popey> correct
[17:37] <popey> 17:35:38 < popey> that's _it_
[17:37] <popey> honestly, there is _nothing_ else to do
[17:38] <popey> installing squid-deb-proxy on the server will install a specially configured squid proxy
[17:38] <popey> and advertise it over avahi
[17:38] <popey> installing squid-deb-proxy-client on the clients will configure them to look _first_ for the squid proxy via avahi
[17:38] <popey> if they cant find it, they use whatever the sources.list says
[17:39] <popey> so for me it's useful because when I am at home it uses the proxy, when I am at work (where there is no proxy) it just goes to the repos to get stuff
[17:39] <popey> but the crucial point is I don't have to do anything when I travel from home to work
[17:39] <kaushal> so repos ?
[17:39] <kaushal> in office
[17:39] <popey> no, i have no local repos at all
[17:40] <kaushal> popey: the idea is to save bandwidth
[17:40] <popey> yes
[17:40] <kaushal> does that solve it ?
[17:40] <popey> yes
[17:40] <kaushal> I mean office network
[17:40] <popey> if you have more than one machine running ubuntu, yes
[17:40] <popey> yes
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> Argh.. debconf backgrounds are purple now?
[17:42] <shauno> *aubergine
[17:42] <kaushal> popey: Thanks a lot
[17:42] <bigcalm> Hehe
[17:42] <kaushal> You have been so kind to me always
[17:42] <kaushal> I really appreciate it
[17:42] <kaushal> :)
[17:43] <popey> np
[17:43] <kaushal> so once 11.04 is out
[17:44] <kaushal> it will hold true
[17:44] <kaushal> right ?
[17:45] <kaushal> so what does Avahi do technically ?
[17:47]  * kaushal will read it again
[17:47] <kaushal> Thanks anyways
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it does some magic with multicast
[17:47] <popey> kaushal: automatic discovery
[17:48] <popey> kaushal: it's so you don't have to tell each client where the proxy is, they figure it out
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: avahi.org has more details on the protocol etc. (it's the same as Apple's bonjour :)
[17:48] <popey> and windows's zeroconf
[17:48] <popey> ish
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: well not.. Windows doesn't use the same zeroconf stuff does it?
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> I always need 2 protocols because MS couldn't be bothered to implement an RFC standard
[17:49] <kaushal> popey: ok
[17:49] <ali1234> avahi is an implementation of the apple stuff
[17:49] <popey> ah
[17:49] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks for the explanation
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: no, they're both implementations of RFC3927 :)
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> wait
[17:49] <screen-x> erm..
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> RFC3927 IS implemented by windows
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> DNS-SD and mDNS are Apple-specific.. you're right
[17:50]  * MartijnVdS slaps self
[17:50] <ali1234> microsoft uses upnp
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> There's DNSSD/mDNS (APple), SSDP/UPnP (MS) and SLP (IETF)
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> and they're all incompatible \o/
[17:51] <shauno> thought slp was effectively dead
[17:51] <ali1234> upnp is effectively dead since the standard was so vague no two upnp devices will work together
[17:52] <screen-x> upnp is scary
[17:53] <shauno> oh well.  good thing apples' works ;)
[17:53] <X3N> UPnP wasn't a MS project
[17:54] <smittix> can anyone connect to http://aptgetmoo.co.uk ?
[17:54] <screen-x> smittix: wfm
[17:54] <X3N> It's a consortium of companies in the upnp forum
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> X3N: yay standards-by-committee
[17:54] <X3N> indeed
[17:54] <smittix> Bah must be my DNS
[17:56]  * screen-x wants a thinkpad x220, but lenovo don't want to sell them yet :(
[17:57] <X3N> I'd say it does work too, most home routers use upnp, and av stuff works but there is a varying amount of how much of the specification has been implemented
[17:57] <screen-x> X3N: its when upnp works that its most scary, you find that your router has opened ports for stuff like vnc, which you really didnt want exposed.
[17:58] <X3N> also the problem with av stuff is it's heavily dependant on matching codecs
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> X3N: and it's hard to figure out which codecs are supported
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> except from docs written by the marketing dept
[17:58] <shauno> I find the whole thing of opening ports is only a problem because people have somehow decided that NAT is a firewall
[17:59] <X3N> well, that should be done by DNLA profiles, but in practice yeah, it's hit and miss
[17:59] <X3N> plus most people's media is either drm'ed, pirated or uses expensive codecs
[18:00] <brobostigon> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/fow.jpg LOL
[18:03] <brobostigon> sorry, that picture just made me giggle.
[18:08] <dwatkins> brobostigon: me too :)
[18:08] <dwatkins> and on that note, I'm off home, ciao for now... k'plah!
[18:09] <brobostigon> :)
[18:09] <Myrtti> myyyyh
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: good evening to you troo
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> too*
[18:10] <Myrtti> 37.9 :-(
[18:10] <screen-x> Myrtti: temperature?
[18:10] <Myrtti> yup...
[18:11] <screen-x> :(
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu Fever
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> *ahem*
[18:11] <Myrtti> its been goinh up since friday
[18:11] <screen-x> Myrtti: have you overclocked yourself?
[18:12] <brobostigon> my eeepc is 57C.
[18:12] <Myrtti> i wish  then id get more stuff done
[18:13] <smittix> Wonga
[18:16] <smittix> Dell Studio is 53C
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> My i3 is 38.5
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> mainboard is 29
[18:39] <directhex> brobostigon: nvidia graphics chips are rated to 110 before they throttle, so don't fret
[18:41] <sinbad> register salamander23 petegordon007@gmail.com
[18:41] <brobostigon> directhex: my eeepc, which i was refferring to is intel.
[18:42] <brobostigon> directhex: but that is interesting to know, :)
[18:42] <directhex> intel cpu should be fine to about 70C
[18:43] <brobostigon> :)
[18:56] <smittix> Is Identica any good?
[18:56] <moreati> smittix: it has good reach in open source circles, outside that very few people use it.
[18:57] <smittix> moreati: I'll give it a whirl
[18:57] <brobostigon> identi.ca/ptaylor  ptaylor.status.net
[18:58] <moreati> smittix: In my opinion it has better architecture than twitter, but I wimped out and chose twitter because that's where the people are
[18:58] <brobostigon> moreati: or like me, have both.
[18:58] <brobostigon> or three.
[18:59] <moreati> I have an identica account, it may even still pull everything from twitter. I haven't checked it in months. brb
[19:01] <smittix> meh, tried subscribing to brobostigon and got an error.
[19:01] <brobostigon> smittix: which one?
[19:01] <gord> i find the days that my identica account isn't working on gwibber are more enjoyable...
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> gord: i.e. most days (knowing gwibber)
[19:02] <smittix> brobostigon: identica
[19:02] <brobostigon> gord: everything in gwibeer seems working other than twitter, so its one less thing to read,
[19:03] <brobostigon> smittix: i just checked and it opens, what error did it give you?
[19:03] <brobostigon> gwibber*
[19:04] <smittix> Bad Request
[19:04] <smittix> Bad Request - You can use the local subscription!
[19:05] <smittix> when clicking subscribe
[19:05] <brobostigon> not seen that kind of error, no idea.
[19:05] <brobostigon> sorry,
[19:05] <brobostigon> it should work.
[19:06] <brobostigon> there no limit on who cansubscribe to me.
[19:10] <brobostigon> smittix: try and remote subscribe to ptaylor.status.net/ptaylor, all my samestuff goes there, aswell.
[19:10] <smittix> brobostigon: Does mine work? http://identi.ca/smittix
[19:11] <brobostigon> smittix: worked fine, yes.
[19:20] <smittix> brobostigon: Site problem by the looks of it - The database for Identi.ca isn't responding correctly, so the site won't work properly. The site admins probably know about the problem, but you can contact them at admin@status.net to make sure. Otherwise, wait a few minutes and try again.
[19:20] <smittix> I'll try later
[19:21] <brobostigon> smittix: ok, i see, ohwel.
[19:24] <smittix> Dont suppose anyone wants to help out with a website?
[19:25] <Azelphur> smittix: ask away *shrug
[19:25] <smittix> heh
[19:25] <smittix> Actually be site staff..
[19:25] <Azelphur> smittix: work for free? doubt it unless it's a very special site :P
[19:26] <smittix> More of a hobby
[19:26] <brobostigon> smittix: which side of, hw software admin, or page maintence?
[19:27] <smittix> Basically mod the forums, write articles? that type of thing. Too much to do on my own really so need a partner.
[19:27] <smittix> if it even takes off that is.
[19:29] <Azelphur> smittix: generally you look for people after it even takes off and use someone from the community
[19:29] <popey> what is the site about?
[19:30] <Azelphur> speaking as someone who has a large community with a few staff :p
[19:30] <smittix> popey: http://www.aptgetmoo.co.uk
[19:31] <smittix> Azelphur: Yeah, I found doing it from the start helped me in the past.
[19:31] <smittix> I ran nixaddict.com
[19:31] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[19:31] <smittix> Azelphur: What community do you run?
[19:31] <popey> Just what the world needs, another Open Source / Linux news aggregator site :p
[19:31] <Azelphur> smittix: http://game.azelphur.com
[19:31] <smittix> popey: Did you not read the first comment?
[19:32] <brobostigon> http://linux.uk.com/ had the same aim, aand i worked on it, but it nevr caught interest so died,
[19:32] <Azelphur> smittix: 33,982 players and 3,556 clans ranked in 4 games on 3 servers with 3,918,934 kills. :P
[19:32] <popey> smittix: the "welcome"?
[19:32] <smittix> popey: Yeah?
[19:32] <popey> yes
[19:32] <popey> hence my comment!
[19:33] <smittix> I must of missed something, Because it says that a Open Source/Linux aggregator site is what it's _not_ going to be.
[19:33] <ali1234> what is it going to be then?
[19:33] <ali1234> if it moos like a duck...
[19:33] <popey> exactly :)
[19:34] <smittix> ali1234: What's that supposed to mean?
[19:34] <brobostigon> smittix: youre challange is going to be, getting enough people, to write enough "original" content.
[19:35] <popey> communities don't just appear out of nowhere
[19:35] <popey> they tend to grow around something
[19:35] <ali1234> actually i think they do
[19:35] <popey> well, okay
[19:35] <popey> they appear out of nowhere _around_ something :)
[19:35] <ali1234> you can't force it though
[19:35] <popey> exactly
[19:35] <ali1234> no, i still disagree
[19:36] <ali1234> the community usually shows up first then someone says "maybe we should make a website"
[19:36] <ali1234> i mean just look at the mistakes nokia made with maemo
[19:37] <ali1234> this is a classic example of trying to force a community to happen
[19:37] <ali1234> and it pretty much was a complete failure
[19:37] <brobostigon> ali1234: maemo was quite successful though, really,
[19:37] <ali1234> um yeah that's why they canned it :)
[19:38] <ali1234> have you ever been on, say, talk.maemo.org?
[19:38] <ali1234> it's not a nice place to be
[19:38] <brobostigon> ali1234: i look atthe n800 and n900, and they are amazing,
[19:38] <ali1234> you have a small hardcore clique of people who love maemo
[19:38] <brobostigon> ali1234: not in ages. i didntmuch like its design.
[19:38] <ali1234> and an enormous number of trolls
[19:38] <moreati> brobostigon: nice product is not the same as nice community
[19:38] <ali1234> to the point where any newcomer is pretty much assumed to be a troll
[19:39] <brobostigon> moreati: very true,
[19:39] <popey> ali1234: you're disagreeing with a point I didnt make
[19:39] <popey> maybe I didnt articulate it well, but I'm not arguing with you
[19:39] <brobostigon> ali1234: i didntlook at it that closesly. i just did what i had to do, and work out, and left.
[19:40] <ali1234> anyway this is a direct result of trying to plan out a community ahead of time
[19:41] <smittix> I tried creating a "how to" site called ubuntuhow back in 2008 but got turned down by canonical
[19:42] <ali1234> i see canonical doing a lot of the same things as nokia did with maemo
[19:42] <ali1234> i mean, by definition any community that involves a "community manager" is broken in my opinion
[19:43] <czajkowski> ali1234: why do you say that ?
[19:43] <ali1234> since the very existence of such a role indicates that someone somewhere doesn't want to be part of the community, therefore they created this role to do it for them
[19:43] <czajkowski> ali1234: most open source communities have one
[19:43] <smittix> Does anyone know how OMGUbuntu got away with using "Ubuntu" in the domain name?
[19:43] <czajkowski> ali1234: no their role is to help people in the community be a part of the community and have a place in it
[19:44] <czajkowski> smittix: there are lots of domains out there with the name Ubuntu, Canonical dont own the word.
[19:44] <czajkowski> Ubuntu.ie is an example off the top of my head
[19:44] <ali1234> czajkowski: well in maemo the community manager acted as a conduit between nokia and the community
[19:44] <popey> smittix: how do you mean "get away with"?
[19:44] <popey> smittix: there are plenty of non-canonical non-official websites with ubuntu in the name
[19:45] <czajkowski> ali1234: that was their role, commercial and the development of maemo.
[19:45] <smittix> popey: I was told by Canonical that i actually couldnt use the word "ubuntu" in my domain name?
[19:46] <ali1234> smittix: there's your problem. you should have just done it :)
[19:46] <ali1234> this is another prblem that happens when communities are controlled/designed
[19:47] <popey> smittix: depends how you use it
[19:47] <ali1234> everyone constantly seeks approval/permission because "we wouldn't want <company X> to pull out of the community"
[19:47] <popey> having ubuntu in the name isnt actually that helpful
[19:47] <ali1234> as a result the community is paralysed if <company X> never communicates
[19:50] <czajkowski> danfish: you alive
[19:51] <smittix> ah well, I will see how it goes.
[19:52] <smittix> Just wanted to build a helpfull community where newbies don't get flamed for asking stupid questions like so many other sites out there.
[19:52] <ali1234> i don't know of any ubuntu sites where that is true
[19:53] <popey> +1
[19:53]  * brobostigon shakes fist at libdrm and xorg-intel and gpu hung, :(
[19:53] <czajkowski> smittix: I dont think that's the case in the Ubuntu community, most people are very friendly and patient
[19:53] <popey> uh
[19:54] <smittix> czajkowski: I didn't say in the ubuntu community.
[19:54] <czajkowski> smittix: I know I was just pointing out that it's one of the comuities out there it doesnt happen
[19:54] <popey> smittix: where do you see that happening?
[19:54] <ali1234> fedora otoh...
[19:55] <popey> ali1234: is that the case? or you being funny? :)
[19:55] <smittix> IRC Channels and Websites of other well known distro's
[19:55] <ali1234> popey: go to #fedora and ask a silly question, see what happens...
[19:55] <popey> fedora is a bit different though
[19:55] <popey> not designed for end users
[19:55] <smittix> The way the ubuntu community is, is probably why im still using it.
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you see the Gnome 3 post on lwn?
[19:56] <knightwi1e> evenin
[19:56] <popey> MartijnVdS: dont think so
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/433409/4717f5f421b6bad3/
[19:57] <ali1234> i think it is rather silly to say that some distribution is not designed for end users...
[19:57] <popey> oh golly
[19:57] <popey> thats their opinion, not mine
[19:57] <ali1234> all distributions by definition are designed for users
[19:57] <knightwi1e> ubuntu grandma turns 84 today btw ! :) she's getting 11,04 for her birthday
[19:57] <popey> well okay, captain pedant :)
[19:57] <popey> YKWIM
[19:57] <popey> fedora isnt designed for my mum :)
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: neither was Ubuntu
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[19:58] <popey> my mum is a human
[19:58] <ali1234> i'm not your mum though, it didn't stop them calling me noob and idiot and RTFM
[19:58] <popey> (last I looked)
[19:58] <smittix> That's why I became a member of Ubuntu UK LoCo because of how friendly people were.
[19:58] <popey> sure
[19:58] <knightwi1e> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000056681712&pub=2386512837
[19:58] <brobostigon> 100+ lag, :(
[19:58] <popey> i guess thats why some people like fedora
[19:59] <popey> less controlling than ubuntu?
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> different kind of control
[20:00] <knightwi1e> oh boy .. ubuntu vs fedora war ?
[20:00] <popey> no
[20:00] <popey> not at all
[20:00] <knightwi1e> oh good :)
[20:01] <smittix> Looks like I started some debating tonight. Sorry about that.
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> knightwi1e: you lost an s in your name
[20:01] <popey> no need to apologise smittix
[20:01] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:01] <popey> lo ali1234
[20:01] <popey> and AlanBell
[20:10] <smittix> Is there any members from the east midlands here?
[20:10]  * brobostigon is just outside south midlands.
[20:14] <root____> hello
[20:15] <smittix> Hi
[20:15] <root____> how are you guys ?
[20:15] <smittix> Good and you?
[20:15] <root____> a live hahahha
[20:15] <root____> ok i have question
[20:15] <root____> but it is about aircrack
[20:15] <brobostigon> root____: dont tell us youare on irc as root, it is very bad.
[20:16] <root____> no im not
[20:16] <root____> and i know it is bad
[20:16] <root____> ok wait a min i will check that but im sure im not
[20:16] <brobostigon> 20:16:12 [Freenode] -!- root____ [~root@77.245.6.8]
[20:16] <brobostigon> why is it showing your logged in user as root then?
[20:16] <czajkowski> dutchie: CONGRATS!
[20:17] <popey> aaanyway
[20:17] <popey> root____: what was the question?
[20:17] <root___> oh i was on IRC as root !
[20:18] <brobostigon> root____: you still are,
[20:18] <root___> no man i changed that
[20:18] <root___> im using irris
[20:18] <brobostigon> root____: /whois youre self.
[20:18] <root___> on terminal
[20:18] <root___> ok
[20:18] <brobostigon> 20:17:41 -!- root___ [~root@77.245.6.8] has joined #ubuntu-uk
[20:18] <root___> its just a name
[20:19] <root___> i installed irssis and i was root
[20:19] <brobostigon> using root, as your name and or username, unless you are logged in as root, is rather weird,
[20:19] <root___> but now im not !
[20:19] <root___> i dont know it is the first time i use IRC on terminal
[20:19] <popey> chill guys
[20:20] <popey> what was the actual question you had?
[20:20] <brobostigon> sorry,
[20:20] <root___> ok
[20:20] <root___> it is about aircrack
[20:20] <root___> today i was on a presentation and i was trying to hack WEP AP which is something very easy
[20:20] <root___> but something strange happened !
[20:21] <root___> when i was trying to make interactive packet attack i got a packet with of 680 Byte !
[20:21] <root___> you still there guys ?
[20:22] <brobostigon> o/
[20:22] <root___> ok i will go to aircrack !
[20:22] <popey> yes
[20:22] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: the comments on that lwn are rather amusing
[20:22] <marxjohnson> yep
[20:22] <root___> ok good
[20:22] <root___> so why i got a 680 packet which in interactive packet attack
[20:22] <root___> which is something very strange
[20:22] <popey> haha
[20:22] <popey> i have absolutely no idea
[20:23] <root___> ok no problem
[20:23] <marxjohnson> is there an aircrack channel?
[20:23] <root___> thank you anyway
[20:23] <root___> yes there is
[20:23] <brobostigon> no idea either.
[20:23] <marxjohnson> you might have better luck there
[20:23] <popey> yes
[20:23] <root___> but noramlly here there is Professoinal GUYS
[20:23] <marxjohnson> we know about Ubuntu
[20:23] <root___> i dont belive in luck !
[20:23] <brobostigon> and debian.
[20:24] <marxjohnson> and heavy metal
[20:24] <marxjohnson> or  is that just me?
[20:24] <brobostigon> and haiku and beos.
[20:24] <brobostigon> nd curries.
[20:24] <brobostigon> and beer*
[20:24] <gord> i'm an expert on treasure island dizzy
[20:24] <root___> is there any ubuntu dist can be instlled on Samsung Galaxy ?
[20:25] <mgdm> gord: Prince of the Yolkfolk is my most-familiar one
[20:25] <mgdm> gord: but TID is of course excellent
[20:25] <gord> mgdm, prince of the yolkfolk is like ten minutes long =\
[20:25] <mgdm> gord: not for me it wasn't, when I was 8
[20:25] <mgdm> ;)
[20:25] <gord> oh right.. erm yes... i too, only played... as a child. yes.
[20:25] <popey> right
[20:25] <popey> chaps
[20:26] <popey> ontopic
[20:26] <root___> guys do you have guns ?
[20:26] <smittix> :/
[20:26] <root___> i really need it !
[20:26] <popey> I want to run a spectrum emulator which will emulate the SpecDrum
[20:26] <popey> Spectaculator for windows will
[20:26] <popey> but that wont work in a vm
[20:26] <root___> plz dont mention windows name here hahaha
[20:27] <gord> popey, i assume wine doesn't either?
[20:27] <popey> not tried actually
[20:27] <popey> but suspect not
[20:27] <davmor2> popey: are there not speccy emulators for ubuntu?
[20:27] <popey> there are
[20:27] <gord> davmor2, there are plenty, but the specdrum is rather obscure, i didn't know it existed until 30 seconds ago ;)
[20:27] <smittix> There was a spectrum emulator called speccy iirc.
[20:27] <popey> but none that I have found which emulate the specdrum
[20:28] <gord> now i must own one.
[20:28] <mgdm> I had never heard of it either
[20:28] <mgdm> I suppose the Korg DS-10 on the Nintendo DS is the modern equivalent? :)
[20:28] <ali1234> i have
[20:28] <ali1234> why on earth would you want to emulate it though?
[20:28] <popey> to record the demo music
[20:28] <mgdm> Because We Can™.
[20:29] <davmor2> popey: why don't you just go buy a speccy on ebay and save yourself the hassle ;)  /me runs for cover
[20:29] <popey> i own 3 speccys
[20:29] <popey> all packed away
[20:29] <popey> and i am on the sofa with cheese and wine
[20:29] <gord> popey, build latest fuse, they accepted at patch in late january for specdrum
[20:30] <popey> ooooo
[20:30] <popey> haha someone just tweeted fuse at me :)
[20:31] <gord> i'm faster than twitter \o/
[20:31] <popey> heh
[20:46] <phonex01> hello
[20:46] <phonex01> again
[20:46] <phonex01> oh god i was using irc as root
[20:46] <phonex01> damn !
[20:46] <brobostigon> phonex01: said so. :)
[20:47] <phonex01> ok it is a ogod lesson !
[20:47] <brobostigon> very.
[20:47] <phonex01> ya
[20:48] <phonex01> what is the risks ?
[20:48] <phonex01> good question
[20:48] <brobostigon> phonex01: imagine a bug in you irc client, and then being ble to do things as root. for example.
[20:48] <directhex> phonex01: the risk is that any exploit in your IRC client gives an attacker full control of your system, not just your user
[20:49] <phonex01> oh god
[20:49] <phonex01> hell no
[20:49] <brobostigon> phonex01: that why i made a big thing of it, as i did.
[20:50] <phonex01> ok no problem !
[20:50] <HazRPG> hi
[20:50] <HazRPG> \o
[20:51] <brobostigon> noswaith dda HazRPG :)
[20:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: evening squire :)
[20:51] <phonex01> HazRPG
[20:51] <phonex01> how are you man ?
[20:51] <phonex01> it is me Majdi rom jordan
[20:52] <HazRPG> phonex01: hey, I'm not bad how's you?
[20:52] <HazRPG> phonex01: yeah I know :)
[20:52] <phonex01> im a live !
[20:52] <phonex01> today i gave a presentation about aircrack and RC4 !
[20:53] <HazRPG> phonex01: alhamdurillah :)
[20:53] <HazRPG> phonex01: mabrook :)
[20:53] <phonex01> hahah allah yebarek feek
[20:53] <HazRPG> :)
[20:53] <phonex01> enta ezyak
[20:55] <HazRPG> phonex01: kwayis alhamdurilah, ana lissa sahi dilwa'ti haha
[20:56] <HazRPG> I woke up very late today
[20:57] <phonex01> oh why
[20:57] <HazRPG> I went to bed at 9am hah
[20:57] <phonex01> wow
[20:57] <HazRPG> yeah, I sleep funny hours sometimes
[20:57] <phonex01> ok in ramadan normally i sleep on 5 AM !
[20:58] <HazRPG> I do that too
[20:58] <phonex01> you know specailly in summer fasting is not easy !
[20:58] <HazRPG> yeah I know!
[20:58] <phonex01> last ramadan avg temp was 41 C
[20:58] <HazRPG> wow
[20:58] <phonex01> so when i was working outside
[20:58] <phonex01> oh god
[20:59] <HazRPG> I remember in Saudi it was like 45-50'C... wayyyyyy too hot
[20:59] <HazRPG> so I know how you feel
[20:59] <phonex01> i still remeber the first day in the east desert
[20:59] <phonex01> and i was fasting
[20:59] <phonex01> working inside a big hunger
[20:59] <phonex01> no conditions
[20:59] <phonex01> very very very hot
[20:59] <phonex01> like the oven !
[21:00] <HazRPG> its worse fasting here in the UK though during summer, not because of the temp. but because of the amount of time the sun is up
[21:01] <phonex01> oh yah
[21:01] <HazRPG> sun is up from around 5am till 10pm
[21:01] <phonex01> wow
[21:01] <HazRPG> sometimes more
[21:01] <phonex01> here noramlly from 5am to 4:30 PM
[21:02] <HazRPG> yeah, same as in egypt and saudi too
[21:02] <phonex01> ok listen what do you know about leverpol university ?
[21:02] <phonex01> is it good ?
[21:02] <HazRPG> hmm, don't really know much about it
[21:03] <phonex01> oh ok
[21:03] <phonex01> i may study there
[21:03] <HazRPG> btw, its liverpool (in case you want to google)
[21:03] <HazRPG> cool, well most uni's here are pretty good
[21:03] <phonex01> i prefer to ask human rather than google hahaha
[21:03] <phonex01> ok
[21:04] <brobostigon> liverpool*
[21:04] <phonex01> Master Degree of Embedded Systems and Mirocontrollers
[21:04] <phonex01> but i have to take IELTS exam first !
[21:05] <HazRPG> ah
[21:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: you got any knowledge on liverpool uni?
[21:06] <brobostigon> phonex01: you may want to know about a company called tiab then, that makes custom microcontrollers and its software,
[21:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ziltch. sorry.
[21:06] <phonex01> Tiab ?
[21:06] <phonex01> thats good
[21:06] <phonex01> in the UK ?
[21:07] <brobostigon> phonex01: yes, just down the road from me,infact, inthe town i live,
[21:07] <phonex01> ok thank you !
[21:08] <brobostigon> phonex01: i just applied for a job there.
[21:08] <HazRPG> brobostigon: nice :)
[21:08] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hopefully you'll get it :)
[21:09] <brobostigon> HazRPG: would be really good, tiab do some very interesting work.
[21:10] <HazRPG> yeah, I'm looking at their site
[21:11] <brobostigon> :)
[21:11] <HazRPG> who knows, ya might even get discount with them :D
[21:11] <brobostigon> HazRPG: know, thatwould definatly benefit my freetime activities, :)
[21:11] <brobostigon> now*
[21:12] <HazRPG> exactly :P
[21:12] <brobostigon> hehe, :)
[21:14] <brobostigon> yay, got google translation plugin working in irssi.
[21:15] <brobostigon> creigiau hyn.
[21:15] <brobostigon> :)
[21:15] <brobostigon> could be very useful.
[21:17] <popey> congrats Pendulum :)
[21:20]  * popey loses interest in compiling fuse
[21:21] <HazRPG> brobostigon: cool :)
[21:21] <HazRPG> popey: why what happened?
[21:22] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[21:31] <brobostigon> why does net::twitter, theperl module have to be so massive, to get twirrssi working.
[21:48] <brobostigon> it failed anyway, so, fuey.
[21:48] <brobostigon> :p
[21:57] <Pendulum> popey: thanks :D
[22:03] <czajkowski> dutchie: welcome aboard :D
[22:04]  * bigcalm feels that he's missing something
[22:05] <HazRPG> same
[22:05] <HazRPG> woot, other shelf finally finished ;D
[22:11] <AlanBell> oooooh congrats dutchie!
[22:11] <AlanBell> and Pendulum too of course, but I figured that one out earlier
[22:12] <Pendulum> AlanBell: dutchie is not for the same thing as me
[22:13] <AlanBell> I know
[22:13] <Pendulum> okay
[22:13]  * mgdm suspects someone has just acquired membership
[22:13] <Pendulum> nope
[22:13] <AlanBell> nope
[22:13] <mgdm> in that case I have no clue ;)
[22:16] <czajkowski> right going to attempt this sleep lark
[22:16] <czajkowski> nn
[22:17] <zleap> nt
[22:17] <zleap> nite
[23:13] <hamitron> oh yes
[23:13] <hamitron> :)
[23:17] <szymon_g> aloha
[23:27] <HazRPG> man, I need a bigger house...
[23:28] <hamitron> HazRPG: why?
[23:28] <HazRPG> hamitron: too much stuff >_<
[23:29] <hamitron> ah :)
[23:41] <gord> HazRPG, you don't need a bigger house, you just need smaller versions of the stuff you have
[23:42] <HazRPG> gord: or at least somewhere to put them...
[23:42] <HazRPG> which is what I've slowly started doing
[23:42] <HazRPG> I have two of these put up now: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Ogr7XDAuntqcOkEtcg5WYQ?feat=directlink
[23:44] <ali1234> right time for natty install second attempt
[23:45] <HazRPG> ali1234: \o/
[23:48] <szymon_g> HazRPG, rip those dvds/cds
[23:48] <directhex> HazRPG: we have 7 of these: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/07305310
[23:49] <szymon_g> make 2-3 backup copies- should be enough. anyway- it will still save alot of space
[23:49] <HazRPG> szymon_g: I've ripped the CD's... most of those don't even have CD's in them because they're in the car
[23:50] <HazRPG> szymon_g: I'd rip the DVD's... but knowing my luck, I'd lose a hard drive just as I did it
[23:51] <szymon_g> use raid1 ;)
[23:51] <szymon_g> (yes, i know, its not a backup)
[23:52] <HazRPG> RAID 1 is mirroring correct?
[23:52] <HazRPG> its sort of like backuping
[23:53] <HazRPG> because you essentially get the same data twice on both drives
[23:53] <szymon_g> its mirroring. and no- it is no backuping per se
[23:53] <AlanBell> cake \o/ http://fredericiana.com/2011/03/22/the-return-of-from-redmond-with-love/
[23:54] <szymon_g> if your psu fail, you will lose both hdds /unless you have got dual PSU setup, which is rather rare on deskops/
[23:55] <ali1234> wow... this is... horrible
[23:56] <hamitron> could also wipe the data by mistake ;)
[23:56] <szymon_g> hehe AlanBell
[23:57] <hamitron> gonna have power turned off tomorrow from 9am till 5pm
[23:58] <hamitron> well, that is the quoted times :/
[23:58]  * szymon_g reads review of cd "In The Flower's Shade" by artrosis
[23:58] <szymon_g> hamitron, i hope your laptop have good battery ;)
[23:58] <hamitron> well, I should be doing other things that need more power
[23:59] <szymon_g> yeah, ok, we know, and yes, we are jealous- you have a girlfriend...
[23:59] <szymon_g> ;)
[23:59] <hamitron> barely
[23:59] <hamitron> ;/