[00:09] how goes it? [00:13] hey everyone [00:20] hey cyberanger! [00:20] how's it going [00:35] im sick of people thinking that japan is irradiating the us [01:04] cyberanger going. well the baby sleeps on occasion [01:05] on occasion, sounds suspiously like "whew, some quie......damn it' [01:06] perhaps that's just me [01:09] cyberanger have you read the email from Netritious? [01:14] idk if I've got one from him [01:14] * cyberanger quickly heads to his inbox [01:16] * cyberanger curses [01:16] we lost jfenn2199 too [01:16] afaik [01:16] (I renewed him presuming it was just a short notice for him) [01:17] I'll have to get with netritious, figure out where to go from here [01:20] on the website I will offer my meager skills to do something [01:20] cyberangerb [01:21] cyberanger baby time will talk later or in the morning [01:21] wrst: no good if it's not used [01:21] by anyone [01:21] wrst: and ok [01:22] and I can host on my server for the very temporary [01:22] I can host longer, but still the matter of bots [01:22] 95% bots [01:22] not good [01:27] my box is static ip though [01:27] so that helps [02:20] hey yall [02:40] hey [02:45] how goes it? [02:49] I'm at work gonna be here for a total of over 16 hours [02:50] that sounds like, uh, what's the word I'm looking for .............. fun? === excid3|mbp is now known as biossh___ === biossh___ is now known as excid3|mbp === excid3|mbp is now known as excid3|mbshadow [03:06] cyberanger, well one good thing out of it is not having to go home and go back to work tomorrow. its considered 2 shifts just back to back [03:12] ah [03:12] I guess that's better [03:12] I think [03:13] well the rest of this week after this til midnight shift will be overnight shifts [03:13] 12-8 [03:13] this one is a 330-12 then a 12-8 back to back shifts [03:15] OT? [03:16] how many users/lurkers are in memphis? [03:16] yep OT every week :) [03:16] \0/ [03:28] orias: a few, at this moment 4 I think [03:28] question is when will they stop lurking and talk [03:29] as for the leader bit, on the list, not too big a concern, we have a 2nd leader as well in memphis [03:30] and I'm sure that'll come up in the next meeting [03:43] what are these meetings usually all about? [03:44] updated natty gotta restart if i'm not back then something broke and I'll try again in a couple days haha [03:46] robertzaccour: the actual meetings, or the meetups [03:49] back [03:50] robertzaccour: the actual meetings, or the meetups [03:50] ? [03:51] cyberanger, both [03:51] meetups (like the release party) is just a convinent excuse to leave the matrix for a party [03:52] the meetings are whatever needs to be said mostly planning future events [03:52] leadership issues [03:52] loco approval process [03:53] meetups are pretty much a party, the meetings will make more sense in a few days === excid3|mbshadow is now known as excid3|mbp [03:53] kinda a watch it happen and "OH!" [03:54] If I don't have internet access with my laptop then I'll be rockin android irc for the meeting :) [03:55] similar here I think [03:56] I think I might actually have to have another leader run it [03:56] my birthday, family might want be to set it aside [04:00] Is it recommended for active members to have expert level proficiency in Linux? Mine is little more than basic [04:02] the word is intrest, not experence of proficiency (however that is an added bonus ;-)) [04:03] oh i see [04:06] your covered [04:08] I'm no programmer, have helped fix a few bugs though [04:16] I'm a sysadmin, different breed too [04:17] file and debug I can do, maybe code Hello World in some languages, but focus on Admin duties [04:53] oh ok [04:54] I mainly just learn what I need to as I go. No interest in extensive stuff I'm mostly just a user haha [04:56] robertzaccour: gotta start somewhere, I'd been there too (little more than need, technically, but most linux users have some curousity attached too) [11:33] cyberanger: you around? === Xpistos1 is now known as Xpistos [13:06] Morning [13:06] wrst [13:06] morning Xpistos! [13:07] And how is the little bundle of joy doing today? [13:07] doing well making her first dr. visit today [13:08] My wife is in love with the baby! She say the picture and started talking about how cute and that she wants another one. [13:09] So I told her she is going to have to fight you for that one cause this shop is closed! [13:10] Oh FYI, if you see a short puerto rican with glasses and a crazy look in her eyes ... call the cops@ [13:16] ha ha Xpistos ok :) [13:16] thanks for the heads up! [15:25] hey wrst [15:26] cyberanger: how are you doing? [15:27] fairly well [15:40] and you? [15:42] yes doing well [15:42] cyberanger: curious how much is a linode server? [15:43] cyberanger: i am wondering if it might be worth having a loco one to host the website on and could do some cool things like allow shell access and that type of thing for those who donate to the cause [15:44] 20 a month [15:46] hmm probably a little pricey then isn't it cyberanger, does that sound like a horrible idea? [15:46] if it were cost effective [15:47] the problem I see with the website is ~5% is people, and I bet ~90% of that is spurred by us in IRC, esp around meetings [15:48] yeah i agree cyberanger i'm just wondering... i mean we need a site but at the same time what we have obviously isn't serving a good purpose, is that a fair assessment? [15:49] mostly [15:49] we do have several loco members who aren't in irc, but don't use email either... i wonder if they are or even want to be active etc [15:49] not all locos have a site [15:50] true, true [15:50] and some locos have underutilized sites [15:50] just thinking linode woudl be cool and we could also have a "community shell" that could help a lot of people but that in itself woudl be a huge headache also [15:51] our usage shows that something is wrong, that part is clear [15:51] and that's an issue [15:52] how much we'd have to lock it down, to be another underutilized service [15:52] I mean, it is a thought [15:52] yes exactly just a thought :) [15:53] i know you and i both use a shell sometimes [15:53] and that might be all the interest there would be :) [15:55] it's hard to know howmuch server or how much website you actually need for thigns [15:56] true Xpistos [15:56] so are things settling down for you wrst. Baby and mom are home now? [15:59] Xpistos: it's easy to know right now, what we have isn't right though [16:00] unfortunately [16:00] roger [16:01] Xpistos: yeah things are getting to what i think will be normal [16:01] good [16:01] ~5% is human traffic, and I'd suspect ~90% is related to here, or carrying a link to our forum, launchpad, webchat.freenode.net [16:02] but anyway cyberanger just throwing some thoughts out there, that came to me in the shower :) [16:02] i would suspect you are correct cyberanger [16:03] I have a hard time seeing supporting WP on a site that is so static as ours, seems like supporting WP more than any page viewers [16:04] cyberanger: i would pull more to a drupal site personally [16:04] its better for static content but you can also do bloggin etc if you desire [16:05] that could be done, same issue, supporting drupal more than page viewers [16:05] hmm not for sure if i'm following what you mean there now that I think about it cyberanger? :) [16:06] spending more time keeping drupal, joomla, wordpress up to date, than people viewing drupal, joomla, wordpress [16:07] disportionate amount of overhead [16:09] not so much i don't think drupal isn't bad and the update process is pretty painless when you need to [16:13] unlike a desktop, there is more involvement, if not in the update itself [16:13] then in keeping it locked down, secure versions [16:13] all of which static html overrules [16:18] becuase there is nothing for things to latch onto [16:18] agreed there cyberanger [16:18] i am not so gifted with html :) [16:18] but you are correct, you have to deal with databases all sorts of junk [16:19] that's fine, most of our stuff is static [16:19] the blog, calendar, meeting dates, that's all that changes [16:20] I can embed the calendar in the site, from google calendar [16:20] minor risk there [16:20] the meeting date is on the wiki, presto [16:20] the blog bit is tricky [16:21] on one hand, I think we should have it, on the other, so rarely used, mostly by netritious I think, and he's giving it up [16:22] what I'm thinking then, is a tag on blogs, I link to a members blog, with that tag only [16:22] then any member can post, via their blog [16:23] keeps everything static, small [16:23] easy to migrate in a jam [16:23] much easier to maintain too [16:31] yeah google calendar is wonderful too i think :) [16:48] wrst: note how all that is hosted elsewhere, for free, by people paid to manage it (blog aside, but they can use professional hosting, or choose to maintain it themselves) === excid3|mbp is now known as excid3|bandana [16:58] well the blog stuff really doesn't seem to work anyway, because when a blog is written no one responds so it leads someone like me that would enjoy bloggin really saying what's the use if no one reads it :) [17:00] which is why I take the approach of linking personal blogs [17:00] readers like it, keep reading it, members choose to have it or not [17:00] not all or none, but each member chooses [17:09] i have no issue with that approach at all [17:11] good news is jfenn2199 is still a west tn leader [17:11] just didn't get the chance to update his membership quickly enough [17:12] yes i caught that sounds like he should be back around in a week or two which is good [17:14] did he metion something in here too? [17:14] got an email or something i thought [17:14] hrm [17:14] cyberanger: i get info in so many different ways i can't remember where i get it :) [17:15] yes email [17:15] well, I don't recall saying a week or two [17:15] otherwise I'd think it was me [17:15] check thy mail cyberanger :) [17:16] well whenever it gets finished Still working... [17:17] oh, I do, just not at this higher than usual rate [17:17] ok there you go cyberanger [17:18] and you just forwarded it why, lol [17:19] gmail was smart, tossed it into the proper list folder, stripped out the body since there was no difference [17:19] oh well [17:19] :-) [17:22] well that is pretty smart [17:22] much smarter than me [17:31] wrst: yeah, I filter and sort my mail, and the loco sees a post a month or so [17:31] so I check daily [17:31] and yesterday and today you metioned it before I'd check (around 10 except a meeting night) [17:32] ha ha [17:32] i'm not that fancy [17:32] you use gmail, nothing fancy about it, lol [17:33] yeah that is true :) [17:33] just a member of a few lugs, all of TN's afaik, plus west nc lug in asheville [17:33] cool cyberanger [17:33] and with that, a few too many emails [17:33] for just an inbox approach [17:34] (not to metion everything else) [17:34] hey yall [17:34] hey power ranger [17:34] i mean cyberanger [17:34] hey robertzaccour [17:34] hey wrst [17:35] whats wrst stand for? [17:35] is it an acronym? [17:35] nah just a bunch of letters really robertzaccour :) [17:37] ah ok [17:37] my nickname is first name last name [17:37] actually parts of my name [17:37] same for my gmail [17:38] did ya leave out the o for worst? [17:38] hrm, somebody's in a different mood today [17:39] oh, wait that's me, a day off, woot [17:40] nah didn't mean to robertzaccour :D [17:40] but that works [18:07] I decided to ask another staff member for their sunday instead of taking a day off last sunda [18:07] sunday [18:07] I missed a couple days from pneumonia and wanted to make that up [18:14] I wonder when Android will come preinstalled on computers [18:26] robertzaccour: did you ever get updated up to natty? [18:26] i noticed that over in #cooklug [18:41] wrst, yes I did [18:41] wrst, so far no breakage [18:41] how do you like unity? [18:41] and robertzaccour its fairly stable now i think [18:42] wrst, its still a little slow, but fairly stable [18:42] and not complete yet [18:42] in the applications launcher the pop down button menu in the upper right is useless atm nothing is clickable and it doesn't scroll back up kinda just sticks down [18:43] yes, and i wasn't for sure on the speed if it was just me since i've been using arch and natty or if it really was slow [18:43] If It doesn't improve significantly I'll switch to Xfce [18:43] not a fan of KDE and Gnome 3 is too dumbed down for me [18:43] and gnome shell is just dumb imo [18:44] Xfce might just be what saves the Linux desktop from, IMO, stupid UIs [18:44] well robertzaccour, KDE if it worked like it should really would be my choice, and gnome has always worked, while not pretty it worked well, so i may go cyberanger and just go cli [18:45] the only thing I do in cli is sudo apt-get install whatever [18:46] I'm a very basic user I suppose lol [18:46] I could use it for more but not really for my taste [18:47] that's the great thing about ubuntu, when everything is working you shouldn't have to use the cli period [19:31] xfce is the shit [19:34] chibihogoshino: Yeah, I like it a bit [19:34] i like it better than gnome [19:34] well it is like gnome jr [19:34] ll [19:34] eh.. lol [19:35] I like openbox the best, but I like all the gtk apps so I use xfce and make it look like openbox [19:35] ob and xfce feel more like what linux should be like [19:45] yep [19:49] Xpistos: i'm going evil i'm downloading linux mint debian [19:49] my wife is using that [19:49] i like the rolling part and the debian part, and the not having to wrestle with drivers in debian part [19:57] so what is the difference between Mint Debian and Mint 10? [19:58] debian is based on debian. testing not ubuntu [19:59] and is a rolling release [20:07] Xpistos: i'm not about to fall off the ubuntu wagon but wanting to check it out [22:12] wrst: debian is based on debian? [22:13] ;-) [22:15] lol [22:16] has anyone seen the news about debian CUT? [23:03] hmm cyberanger linux mint debian is based on debian cyberanger :) [23:04] chris4585: i have seen that looks exciting to me [23:04] wrst, it would be awesome if Ubuntu adopted that sort of model.. [23:05] i'm a fan of rolling releases chris4585 [23:05] only thin is when gnome 3.0 comes out i'm curious what my arch install is going to do [23:05] same [23:05] wrst, I believe the classic desktop will still be supported [23:06] I'm not sure if updates will automatically get you there.. or what [23:06] sounds like they will [23:06] but I know it will still be in the repos for arch [23:06] at least thats what I've heard [23:06] python 3 hit the repos and replaced python2 that was a headache :) [23:07] had to redirect some apps to python2 since they didn't work with python 3 [23:07] lol [23:07] doesn't arch have both available like ubuntu? [23:07] in a limited way got to program some [23:07] I should try arch again soon... [23:07] I miss it so [23:07] yes but python 3 become python, and python (2) became python2 so if a package directed to python it went to python 3 not 2 [23:08] ah [23:08] i'm in a distro trying mood, but want to stay in the debian realm of things i think :) [23:09] I'd like to try the gnome3 fallback desktop, it looks.. the same as classic gnome but with some things fixed under the hood I hear [23:10] http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/classic-gnome-3-beta-2-video-no-shell.html [23:11] chris4585: that sounds nice [23:11] I really like the new adwaita theme for gtk3 [23:11] yes me too