[00:09] <orias> how goes it?
[00:13] <cyberanger> hey everyone
[00:20] <wrst> hey cyberanger!
[00:20] <cyberanger> how's it going
[00:35] <chibihogoshino> im sick of people thinking that japan is irradiating the us
[01:04] <wrst> cyberanger going. well the baby sleeps on occasion
[01:05] <cyberanger> on occasion, sounds suspiously like "whew, some quie......damn it'
[01:06] <cyberanger> perhaps that's just me
[01:09] <wrst> cyberanger have you read the email from Netritious?
[01:14] <cyberanger> idk if I've got one from him
[01:14]  * cyberanger quickly heads to his inbox
[01:16]  * cyberanger curses
[01:16] <cyberanger> we lost jfenn2199 too
[01:16] <cyberanger> afaik
[01:16] <cyberanger> (I renewed him presuming it was just a short notice for him)
[01:17] <cyberanger> I'll have to get with netritious, figure out where to go from here
[01:20] <wrst> on the website I will offer my meager skills to do something
[01:20] <wrst> cyberangerb
[01:21] <wrst> cyberanger baby time will talk later or in the morning
[01:21] <cyberanger> wrst: no good if it's not used
[01:21] <cyberanger> by anyone
[01:21] <cyberanger> wrst: and ok
[01:22] <wrst> and I can host on my server for the very temporary
[01:22] <cyberanger> I can host longer, but still the matter of bots
[01:22] <cyberanger> 95% bots
[01:22] <cyberanger> not good
[01:27] <cyberanger> my box is static ip though
[01:27] <cyberanger> so that helps
[02:20] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[02:40] <cyberanger> hey
[02:45] <robertzaccour> how goes it?
[02:49] <robertzaccour> I'm at work gonna be here for a total of over 16 hours
[02:50] <cyberanger> that sounds like, uh, what's the word I'm looking for .............. fun?
[03:06] <robertzaccour> cyberanger, well one good thing out of it is not having to go home and go back to work tomorrow. its considered 2 shifts just back to back
[03:12] <cyberanger> ah
[03:12] <cyberanger> I guess that's better
[03:12] <cyberanger> I think
[03:13] <robertzaccour> well the rest of this week after this til midnight shift will be overnight shifts
[03:13] <robertzaccour> 12-8
[03:13] <robertzaccour> this one is a 330-12 then a 12-8 back to back shifts
[03:15] <orias> OT?
[03:16] <orias> how many users/lurkers are in memphis?
[03:16] <robertzaccour> yep OT every week :)
[03:16] <orias> \0/
[03:28] <cyberanger> orias: a few, at this moment 4 I think
[03:28] <cyberanger> question is when will they stop lurking and talk
[03:29] <cyberanger> as for the leader bit, on the list, not too big a concern, we have a 2nd leader as well in memphis
[03:30] <cyberanger> and I'm sure that'll come up in the next meeting
[03:43] <robertzaccour> what are these meetings usually all about?
[03:44] <robertzaccour> updated natty gotta restart if i'm not back then something broke and I'll try again in a couple days haha
[03:46] <cyberanger> robertzaccour: the actual meetings, or the meetups
[03:49] <robertzaccour> back
[03:50] <cyberanger> robertzaccour: the actual meetings, or the meetups
[03:50] <cyberanger> ?
[03:51] <robertzaccour> cyberanger, both
[03:51] <cyberanger> meetups (like the release party) is just a convinent excuse to leave the matrix for a party
[03:52] <cyberanger> the meetings are whatever needs to be said mostly planning future events
[03:52] <cyberanger> leadership issues
[03:52] <cyberanger> loco approval process
[03:53] <cyberanger> meetups are pretty much a party, the meetings will make more sense in a few days
[03:53] <cyberanger> kinda a watch it happen and "OH!"
[03:54] <robertzaccour> If I don't have internet access with my laptop then I'll be rockin android irc for the meeting :)
[03:55] <cyberanger> similar here I think
[03:56] <cyberanger> I think I might actually have to have another leader run it
[03:56] <cyberanger> my birthday, family might want be to set it aside
[04:00] <robertzaccour> Is it recommended for active members to have expert level proficiency in Linux? Mine is little more than basic
[04:02] <cyberanger> the word is intrest, not experence of proficiency (however that is an added bonus ;-))
[04:03] <robertzaccour> oh i see
[04:06] <cyberanger> your covered
[04:08] <robertzaccour> I'm no programmer, have helped fix a few bugs though
[04:16] <cyberanger> I'm a sysadmin, different breed too
[04:17] <cyberanger> file and debug I can do, maybe code Hello World in some languages, but focus on Admin duties
[04:53] <robertzaccour> oh ok
[04:54] <robertzaccour> I mainly just learn what I need to as I go. No interest in extensive stuff I'm mostly just a user haha
[04:56] <cyberanger> robertzaccour: gotta start somewhere, I'd been there too (little more than need, technically, but most linux users have some curousity attached too)
[11:33] <wrst> cyberanger: you around?
[13:06] <Xpistos> Morning
[13:06] <Xpistos> wrst
[13:06] <wrst> morning Xpistos!
[13:07] <Xpistos> And how is the little bundle of joy doing today?
[13:07] <wrst> doing well making her first dr. visit today
[13:08] <Xpistos> My wife is in love with the baby! She say the picture and started talking about how cute and that she wants another one.
[13:09] <Xpistos> So I told her she is going to have to fight you for that one cause this shop is closed!
[13:10] <Xpistos> Oh FYI, if you see a short puerto rican with glasses and a crazy look in her eyes ... call the cops@
[13:16] <wrst> ha ha Xpistos ok :)
[13:16] <wrst> thanks for the heads up!
[15:25] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[15:26] <wrst> cyberanger: how are you doing?
[15:27] <cyberanger> fairly well
[15:40] <cyberanger> and you?
[15:42] <wrst> yes doing well
[15:42] <wrst> cyberanger: curious how much is a linode server?
[15:43] <wrst> cyberanger: i am wondering if it might be worth having a loco one to host the website on and could do some cool things like allow shell access and that type of thing for those who donate to the cause
[15:44] <cyberanger> 20 a month
[15:46] <wrst> hmm probably a little pricey then isn't it cyberanger, does that sound like a horrible idea?
[15:46] <wrst> if it were cost effective
[15:47] <cyberanger> the problem I see with the website is ~5% is people, and I bet ~90% of that is spurred by us in IRC, esp around meetings
[15:48] <wrst> yeah i agree cyberanger i'm just wondering... i mean we need a site but at the same time what we have obviously isn't serving a good purpose, is that a fair assessment?
[15:49] <cyberanger> mostly
[15:49] <wrst> we do have several loco members who aren't in irc, but don't use email either... i wonder if they are or even want to be active etc
[15:49] <cyberanger> not all locos have a site
[15:50] <wrst> true, true
[15:50] <cyberanger> and some locos have underutilized sites
[15:50] <wrst> just thinking linode woudl be cool and we could also have a "community shell" that could help a lot of people but that in itself woudl be a huge headache also
[15:51] <cyberanger> our usage shows that something is wrong, that part is clear
[15:51] <cyberanger> and that's an issue
[15:52] <cyberanger> how much we'd have to lock it down, to be another underutilized service
[15:52] <cyberanger> I mean, it is a thought
[15:52] <wrst> yes exactly just a thought :)
[15:53] <wrst>  i know you and i both use a shell sometimes
[15:53] <wrst> and that might be all the interest there would be :)
[15:55] <Xpistos> it's hard to know howmuch server or how much website you actually need for thigns
[15:56] <wrst> true Xpistos
[15:56] <Xpistos> so are things settling down for you wrst. Baby and mom are home now?
[15:59] <cyberanger> Xpistos: it's easy to know right now, what we have isn't right though
[16:00] <cyberanger> unfortunately
[16:00] <Xpistos> roger
[16:01] <wrst> Xpistos: yeah things are getting to what i think will be normal
[16:01] <Xpistos> good
[16:01] <cyberanger> ~5% is human traffic, and I'd suspect ~90% is related to here, or carrying a link to our forum, launchpad, webchat.freenode.net
[16:02] <wrst> but anyway cyberanger just throwing some thoughts out there, that came to me in the shower :)
[16:02] <wrst> i would suspect you are correct cyberanger
[16:03] <cyberanger> I have a hard time seeing supporting WP on a site that is so static as ours, seems like supporting WP more than any page viewers
[16:04] <wrst> cyberanger: i would pull more to a drupal site personally
[16:04] <wrst> its better for static content but you can also do bloggin etc if you desire
[16:05] <cyberanger> that could be done, same issue, supporting drupal more than page viewers
[16:05] <wrst> hmm not for sure if i'm following what you mean there now that I think about it cyberanger? :)
[16:06] <cyberanger> spending more time keeping drupal, joomla, wordpress up to date, than people viewing drupal, joomla, wordpress
[16:07] <cyberanger> disportionate amount of overhead
[16:09] <wrst> not so much i don't think drupal isn't bad and the update process is pretty painless when you need to
[16:13] <cyberanger> unlike a desktop, there is more involvement, if not in the update itself
[16:13] <cyberanger> then in keeping it locked down, secure versions
[16:13] <cyberanger> all of which static html overrules
[16:18] <cyberanger> becuase there is nothing for things to latch onto
[16:18] <wrst> agreed there cyberanger
[16:18] <wrst> i am not so gifted with html :)
[16:18] <wrst> but you are correct, you have to deal with databases all sorts of junk
[16:19] <cyberanger> that's fine, most of our stuff is static
[16:19] <cyberanger> the blog, calendar, meeting dates, that's all that changes
[16:20] <cyberanger> I can embed the calendar in the site, from google calendar
[16:20] <cyberanger> minor risk there
[16:20] <cyberanger> the meeting date is on the wiki, presto
[16:20] <cyberanger> the blog bit is tricky
[16:21] <cyberanger> on one hand, I think we should have it, on the other, so rarely used, mostly by netritious I think, and he's giving it up
[16:22] <cyberanger> what I'm thinking then, is a tag on blogs, I link to a members blog, with that tag only
[16:22] <cyberanger> then any member can post, via their blog
[16:23] <cyberanger> keeps everything static, small
[16:23] <cyberanger> easy to migrate in a jam
[16:23] <cyberanger> much easier to maintain too
[16:31] <wrst> yeah google calendar is wonderful too i think :)
[16:48] <cyberanger> wrst: note how all that is hosted elsewhere, for free, by people paid to manage it (blog aside, but they can use professional hosting, or choose to maintain it themselves)
[16:58] <wrst> well the blog stuff really doesn't seem to work anyway, because when a blog is written no one responds so it leads someone like me that would enjoy bloggin really saying what's the use if no one reads it :)
[17:00] <cyberanger> which is why I take the approach of linking personal blogs
[17:00] <cyberanger> readers like it, keep reading it, members choose to have it or not
[17:00] <cyberanger> not all or none, but each member chooses
[17:09] <wrst> i have no issue with that approach at all
[17:11] <cyberanger> good news is jfenn2199 is still a west tn leader
[17:11] <cyberanger> just didn't get the chance to update his membership quickly enough
[17:12] <wrst> yes i caught that sounds like he should be back around in a week or two which is good
[17:14] <cyberanger> did he metion something in here too?
[17:14] <wrst> got an email or something i thought
[17:14] <cyberanger> hrm
[17:14] <wrst> cyberanger: i get info in so many different ways i can't remember where i get it :)
[17:15] <wrst> yes email
[17:15] <cyberanger> well, I don't recall saying a week or two
[17:15] <cyberanger> otherwise I'd think it was me
[17:15] <wrst> check thy mail cyberanger :)
[17:16] <wrst> well whenever it gets finished Still working...
[17:17] <cyberanger> oh, I do, just not at this higher than usual rate
[17:17] <wrst> ok there you go cyberanger
[17:18] <cyberanger> and you just forwarded it why, lol
[17:19] <cyberanger> gmail was smart, tossed it into the proper list folder, stripped out the body since there was no difference
[17:19] <cyberanger> oh well
[17:19] <cyberanger> :-)
[17:22] <wrst> well that is pretty smart
[17:22] <wrst> much smarter than me
[17:31] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, I filter and sort my mail, and the loco sees a post a month or so
[17:31] <cyberanger> so I check daily
[17:31] <cyberanger> and yesterday and today you metioned it before I'd check (around 10 except a meeting night)
[17:32] <wrst> ha ha
[17:32] <wrst> i'm not that fancy
[17:32] <cyberanger> you use gmail, nothing fancy about it, lol
[17:33] <wrst> yeah that is true :)
[17:33] <cyberanger> just a member of a few lugs, all of TN's afaik, plus west nc lug in asheville
[17:33] <wrst> cool cyberanger
[17:33] <cyberanger> and with that, a few too many emails
[17:33] <cyberanger> for just an inbox approach
[17:34] <cyberanger> (not to metion everything else)
[17:34] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[17:34] <robertzaccour> hey power ranger
[17:34] <robertzaccour> i mean cyberanger
[17:34] <wrst> hey robertzaccour
[17:34] <robertzaccour> hey wrst
[17:35] <robertzaccour> whats wrst stand for?
[17:35] <robertzaccour> is it an acronym?
[17:35] <wrst> nah just a bunch of letters really robertzaccour :)
[17:37] <robertzaccour> ah ok
[17:37] <robertzaccour> my nickname is first name last name
[17:37] <wrst> actually parts of my name
[17:37] <robertzaccour> same for my gmail
[17:38] <robertzaccour> did ya leave out the o for worst?
[17:38] <cyberanger> hrm, somebody's in a different mood today
[17:39] <cyberanger> oh, wait that's me, a day off, woot
[17:40] <wrst> nah didn't mean to robertzaccour :D
[17:40] <wrst> but that works
[18:07] <robertzaccour> I decided to ask another staff member for their sunday instead of taking a day off last sunda
[18:07] <robertzaccour> sunday
[18:07] <robertzaccour> I missed a couple days from pneumonia and wanted to make that up
[18:14] <robertzaccour> I wonder when Android will come preinstalled on computers
[18:26] <wrst> robertzaccour: did you ever get updated up to natty?
[18:26] <wrst> i noticed that over in #cooklug
[18:41] <robertzaccour> wrst, yes I did
[18:41] <robertzaccour> wrst, so far no breakage
[18:41] <wrst> how do you like unity?
[18:41] <wrst> and robertzaccour its fairly stable now i think
[18:42] <robertzaccour> wrst, its still a little slow, but fairly stable
[18:42] <robertzaccour> and not complete yet
[18:42] <robertzaccour> in the applications launcher the pop down button menu in the upper right is useless atm nothing is clickable and it doesn't scroll back up kinda just sticks down
[18:43] <wrst> yes, and i wasn't for sure on the speed if it was just me since i've been using arch and natty or if it really was slow
[18:43] <robertzaccour> If It doesn't improve significantly I'll switch to Xfce
[18:43] <robertzaccour> not a fan of KDE and Gnome 3 is too dumbed down for me
[18:43] <robertzaccour> and gnome shell is just dumb imo
[18:44] <robertzaccour> Xfce might just be what saves the Linux desktop from, IMO, stupid UIs
[18:44] <wrst> well robertzaccour, KDE if it worked like it should really would be my choice, and gnome has always worked, while not pretty it worked well, so i may go cyberanger and just go cli
[18:45] <robertzaccour> the only thing I do in cli is sudo apt-get install whatever
[18:46] <robertzaccour> I'm a very basic user I suppose lol
[18:46] <robertzaccour> I could use it for more but not really for my taste
[18:47] <wrst> that's the great thing about ubuntu, when everything is working you shouldn't have to use the cli period
[19:31] <chibihogoshino> xfce is the shit
[19:34] <Xpistos> chibihogoshino: Yeah, I like it a bit
[19:34] <chibihogoshino> i like it better than gnome
[19:34] <Xpistos> well it is like gnome jr
[19:34] <chibihogoshino> ll
[19:34] <chibihogoshino> eh.. lol
[19:35] <Xpistos> I like openbox the best, but I like all the gtk apps so I use xfce and make it look like openbox
[19:35] <chibihogoshino> ob and xfce feel more like what linux should be like
[19:45] <Xpistos> yep
[19:49] <wrst> Xpistos: i'm going evil i'm downloading linux mint debian
[19:49] <Xpistos> my wife is using that
[19:49] <wrst> i like the rolling part and the debian part, and the not having to wrestle with drivers in debian part
[19:57] <Xpistos> so what is the difference between Mint Debian and Mint 10?
[19:58] <wrst> debian is based on debian. testing not ubuntu
[19:59] <wrst> and is a rolling release
[20:07] <wrst> Xpistos: i'm not about to fall off the ubuntu wagon but wanting to check it out
[22:12] <cyberanger> wrst: debian is based on debian?
[22:13] <cyberanger> ;-)
[22:15] <chris4585> lol
[22:16] <chris4585> has anyone seen the news about debian CUT?
[23:03] <wrst> hmm cyberanger linux mint debian is based on debian cyberanger :)
[23:04] <wrst> chris4585: i have seen that looks exciting to me
[23:04] <chris4585> wrst, it would be awesome if Ubuntu adopted that sort of model..
[23:05] <wrst> i'm a fan of rolling releases chris4585
[23:05] <wrst> only thin is when gnome 3.0 comes out i'm curious what my arch install is going to do
[23:05] <chris4585> same
[23:05] <chris4585> wrst, I believe the classic desktop will still be supported
[23:06] <chris4585> I'm not sure if updates will automatically get you there.. or what
[23:06] <wrst> sounds like they will
[23:06] <chris4585> but I know it will still be in the repos for arch
[23:06] <chris4585> at least thats what I've heard
[23:06] <wrst> python 3 hit the repos and replaced python2 that was a headache :)
[23:07] <wrst> had to redirect some apps to python2 since they didn't work with python 3
[23:07] <chris4585> lol
[23:07] <chris4585> doesn't arch have both available like ubuntu?
[23:07] <wrst> in a limited way got to program some
[23:07] <chris4585> I should try arch again soon...
[23:07] <chris4585> I miss it so
[23:07] <wrst> yes but python 3 become python, and python  (2) became python2 so if a package directed to python it went to python 3 not 2
[23:08] <chris4585> ah
[23:08] <wrst> i'm in a distro trying mood, but want to stay in the debian realm of things i think :)
[23:09] <chris4585> I'd like to try the gnome3 fallback desktop, it looks.. the same as classic gnome but with some things fixed under the hood I hear
[23:10] <chris4585> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/classic-gnome-3-beta-2-video-no-shell.html
[23:11] <wrst> chris4585: that sounds nice
[23:11] <chris4585> I really like the new adwaita theme for gtk3
[23:11] <wrst> yes me too