[01:34] <androidbruce> hello all how goes it 
[01:36] <valorie> hi androidbruce
[01:36] <valorie> contemplating the purchase of a phone
[01:37] <valorie> has to be verizon, and work in Europe
[01:38] <valorie> which narrows my possibilities greatly
[01:43] <valorie> thunderbolt and droid2, I guess
[01:44] <valorie> grrrr, flash sites.....
[01:49] <androidbruce> valorie: if you're getting a phone now, it's gotta be the thunderbolt
[01:49] <androidbruce> there is really nothing that compares 
[01:50] <valorie> you've seen and used one?
[01:50] <androidbruce> yes 
[01:51] <valorie> and the lack of a keyboard isn't a lack?
[01:51] <androidbruce> i used it the day it released
[01:51] <valorie> I should have known
[01:51] <valorie> lol
[01:51] <androidbruce> well I suppose if you aren't used to an onscreen keyboard it would be tough 
[01:51] <valorie> I've not used a smartphone, 
[01:51] <androidbruce> but that's many users
[01:51] <valorie> so everything will be new to me
[01:51] <androidbruce> right so you have many many hurdles to jump over
[01:51] <androidbruce> just go for it 
[01:51] <valorie> if I'm going to Europe this summer though
[01:52] <valorie> I thought getting the phone now, and getting used to it
[01:52] <androidbruce> yes 
[01:52] <valorie> would be a good idea
[01:52] <androidbruce> and you have 14 days to 'test drive' it 
[01:52] <androidbruce> plus android is all linux based. so you'll be right at home ;)
[01:52] <valorie> sort of
[01:53] <androidbruce> indeed 
[01:53] <valorie> I listen to people talk about it though, and it's all new stuff
[01:53] <valorie> all ARM, right?
[01:53] <androidbruce> of course, all android devices are arm based
[01:53] <valorie> ok, this is all new language
[01:53] <androidbruce> yeah 
[01:53] <valorie> I hear people talk about ARM, but have ignored it up to now
[01:53] <valorie> I guess i should pay attention
[01:54] <androidbruce> well in all reality you would not really need to know that it's arm based as an end user
[01:54] <androidbruce> but for development you would have to know how to compile for arm 
[01:54] <valorie> sure, but eventually I'll be putting KDE on it
[01:54] <valorie> lol
[01:54] <androidbruce> i.e. kernels 
[01:54] <androidbruce> lol 
[01:54] <androidbruce> i'm not sure which is funnier, kde or putting kde on an android device ;)
[01:54] <valorie> one of our kubuntu devels is the ARM guy for ubuntu
[01:54]  * androidbruce is a gnome fanboy 
[01:55] <valorie> hehe
[01:55] <valorie> I've always preferrred kde
[01:55] <valorie> but I'm not religious about it
[01:55] <valorie> some gnome apps are better
[01:55] <valorie> so do you have gnome running on your droid?
[01:56] <androidbruce> lol no way 
[01:56] <androidbruce> not sure it's possible 
[01:56] <androidbruce> and i have a g2 
[01:56] <androidbruce> ;)
[01:57] <androidbruce> we can talk more about this later, time to 'punch out' 
[01:57] <androidbruce> have a good night 
[01:58] <valorie> niters
[04:19] <valorie> androidbruce: I took your advice, and now have a shiny new thunderbolt
[04:19] <valorie> now to figure out how to get IRC on it, etc.
[15:16] <Navion> Anyone know someone that has experience with Ubuntu on Mac Minis?
[15:24] <Navion> Is there a live person here?