[01:49] <ScottL> bug #726199
[02:00] <ScottL> anybody do a full install of ubuntu studio lately?  did the plymouth theme work or was it a light blue screen?
[02:01] <ScottL> holstein, it looks like the network indicator in natty already indicates when the network is unplugged (at least it did for me on my alpha3 install)
[02:01] <ScottL> at least it think it was alpha 3 install
[03:11] <ailo> ScottL, I've had the plymoth fail after some upgrade. I should install the latest to see how things work.
[11:06] <ailo> Hey abogani
[11:06] <abogani> ailo: Hi
[11:07] <ailo> I haven't been testing the kernels for a while. I took out my wireless card, so I tried quckly now, but it seems I can still get a few random xruns
[11:07] <ailo> It didn't happen while the computer was idle. Last time when I was using the browser.
[11:09] <ailo> But I suppose it could be anything
[11:11] <ailo> I should test on other systems. I compiled a kernel for Debian using vanilla source, and it seemed to work a little better on another PC. I should try different things on this one.
[11:12] <ailo> I'm currently running on Ubuntu, and it's using a lot of memory. I should switch to Ubuntustudio to do some testing there as well.
[11:14] <abogani> For avoid x-runs completely we have to use -realtime kernel.
[11:18] <ailo> Well, I can use this kernel on a higher latency setting, and still get good enough latency for production use, so I'm quite happy with this kernel in that sense, but I suppose for so many other hardware a -realtime will be a big help.
[11:20] <abogani> ailo: In any case your approach is the best: -lowlatency is more stable, updated, secure and compatible.
[11:32] <ailo> Hey T0rCh_raony , what's up?
[11:33] <T0rCh_raony> hey ailo
[11:34] <T0rCh_raony> still didn't had time to work on the indicator applet, but i will take a look this week
[11:35] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, No hurry. No one has decided on anything either, so it would just be an example application. falktx has been working on some software for KXStudio which has similar functions.
[11:35] <T0rCh_raony> cool, do you have his repository ?
[11:36] <ailo> Let's see..
[11:36] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, git://repo.or.cz/cadence.git
[11:37] <ailo> T0rCh_raony,  build depends: python-qt4-devel pyqt4-dev-tools ladspa-sdk dssi-dev libasound2-dev
[11:37] <T0rCh_raony> ok
[11:37] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, runtime depends: libjack0 python-rdflib python-qt4-dbus python-qt4-gl jack-capture
[11:38] <T0rCh_raony> hey falktx
[11:38] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, You can look in the make file to see what apps there are. Do make, and make install.
[11:39] <T0rCh_raony> ok
[11:39] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, And the app Carla needs to be compiled separately, make Carla
[11:39] <falktx> T0rCh_raony: step are actually "make" and "make carla" <- unstable app
[11:39] <falktx> apps usable so far:
[11:39] <falktx> - audio_test_plugin
[11:40] <falktx> - catarina (canvas test)
[11:40] <falktx> - catia (jack patchbay)
[11:40] <falktx> - claudia (jack patchbay+ladish gui)
[11:40] <falktx> - carla (multi-plugin host)
[11:41] <falktx> - xycontroller
[11:41] <falktx> small tools:
[11:41] <falktx> - jacksettings
[11:41] <falktx> - logs
[11:41] <falktx> - render
[11:41] <falktx> and that'is it
[11:41] <falktx> to run them:
[11:41] <T0rCh_raony> cool
[11:41] <falktx> python src/<app-name>.py
[11:41] <T0rCh_raony> looks promissing
[11:43] <falktx_> some this network sucks...
[11:43] <falktx_> please say again
[11:48] <ailo> Actually, I think the runtime depend should be libjack-jack2-0
[12:10] <ScottL> abogani, the -lowlatency kernel built in my ppa last night :)
[12:32] <abogani> ScottL: :-)
[18:16] <ailo> scott-work, I installed us-natty alpha 3 right now. I think at least two tasksels are not working now. I wasn't able to identify which ones. I could reinstall on Virtualbox later to find out.
[18:17] <ailo> Also, I must have forgotten before, but installing from usb is no problem, if using unetbootin, but this is perhaps known already.
[18:17] <holstein> ailo: yeah?
[18:17] <holstein> no complaints about where the install media is ?
[18:17] <holstein> thats great :)
[18:18] <ailo> holstein, Yeah, it works pretty smoothly. I just choose the iso, and make the usb.
[18:18] <scott-work> ailo: that's interesting about the tasksel
[18:19] <holstein> theres a really nice reporting option
[18:19] <holstein> in the installer
[18:19] <holstein> makes a webserver
[18:19] <scott-work> when alpha 3 was released i installed all and they worked then :(
[18:19] <holstein> for you to se the log of what failed
[18:19] <ailo> holstein, How does that work?
[18:19] <scott-work> ailo: but that is good news about installing from usb though :)
[18:19] <holstein> cjwatson got me hip to it last time i was trying to sort out what taskselect failed
[18:19] <holstein> ailo: i'll have to get it in front of me
[18:20] <holstein> BUT, i remember...
[18:20] <holstein> its in the alternate installer list
[18:20] <holstein> where is says like 'partition disks'
[18:20] <holstein> something about 'view logs' ?
[18:20] <holstein> near te bottom i remember*
[18:22] <ailo> Ok. I'll try installing on Virtualbox later today. This time I tried installing all tasksels, and taking one out each time it failed, but that didn't help, so that's why I thought it must be at least two that doesn't work.
[18:22] <scott-work> ailo: you can also see:  /var/log/install/syslog
[18:22] <scott-work> if you can get to tty2
[18:23] <ailo> scott-work, Only during install?
[18:24] <ailo> I seem to remember dropping to shell is not so hard. Is the same? Ctrl - Alt - F1?
[18:24] <scott-work> ailo: if you can get the install to finish then you can get to it however you want
[18:24] <scott-work> but yeah, you may need to drop to shell during install to see what the error is
[18:24] <scott-work> i _think_ i'm done with my current natty install so might try to reinstall it this weekend
[18:25] <ailo> I've been on regular Ubuntu too much, so I figured, I need to get the hang of the US Desktop.
[18:28]  * ailo rebooting..
[19:28] <ailo> ScottL, holstein: Did have a strange experience when booting into US alpha 3 first time. ubuntustudio-desktop wasn't installed.
[19:29] <ailo> When I booted in, instead of coming to a terminal prompt, the screen just went to sleep, and I had to do Ctrl -> Alt -> Del to reboot
[19:30] <T0rCh_raony> something weird here ...I like to use wicd for a thousand reasons, when I was trying to remove networkmanager it was asking me to remove ubuntustudio-desktop together, what this package contains ?
[19:30] <ailo> I installed ubuntustudio-desktop, and after that I was able to boot into the desktop
[19:30] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, ubuntustudio-desktop is just a met-package, so there's no worry
[19:30] <ailo> meta-package
[19:31] <T0rCh_raony> I know cause it didn't cause any damage to the system :)
[19:32] <ailo> It depends on all the packages that you need for ubuntustudio-desktop, so installing that package, all of the dependencies will be installed.
[19:32] <T0rCh_raony> oh, I see
[19:33] <ailo> ScottL, Also, my screen wasn't looking good. I know from a previous installation that I had problems with corrupted graphics. I probably should have reacted then, but there was a lot going on with the standard Ubuntu Desktop at the time
[19:33] <ailo> ScottL, This time, only part of the screen was used.
[19:34] <ailo> Installing nvidia drivers solved it
[19:37] <ailo> scott-work, Just had some problems with the post-install of US alpha 3
[19:40] <scott-work> doh
[19:40] <scott-work> wait, "post-install" ?  which part then
[19:41] <ailo> scott-work, ubuntustudio-desktop hadn't been installed.
[19:42] <ailo> It didn't boot into prompt even, but from recovery mode, I was able to install ubuntustudio-desktop. After that, I was able to boot to desktop, but only part of the screen was in use. Installing nvidia drivers made the screen look normal
[19:42] <ailo> I'm doing a new install on Virtualbox now, in case there was something strange with the usb stick
[19:44] <ailo> T0rCh_raony, Which version did you install. Was it a daily build?
[19:47] <T0rCh_raony> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/natty/alpha-3/
[19:49] <ailo> Ok, so I can confirm that installing from usb stick was maybe not such a good idea after all
[19:50] <scott-work> ailo: oh, you were isntalling from usb with that....hmmmmm, interesting
[19:50] <scott-work> but still, it would be wicked to get usb install working though
[19:50] <ailo> Even the tasksel looked different. Seems like all the tasksels are working too
[19:53] <ailo> I suppose getting a usb installation working shouldn't be that far away, since at least the base system installs.
[19:58] <ailo> scott-work, Have you talked with MacInnis, or what's his name? Our art man..
[20:00] <scott-work> briefly, i'm about 1/2 way through with announcing him on the mailing list, forums, et al
[20:01] <scott-work> work and home are still pretty jumping for me
[20:01] <scott-work> even though i managed to get some other issues resolve for more time
[20:02] <ailo> scott-work, Did you look at his art? I checked out his PPA before, and installed the theme
[20:04] <scott-work> yeah?  what did you think?
[20:05] <scott-work> i've looked at his website, both personal with music/videos, and dream studio
[20:05] <scott-work> i think he's a helluva creative guy with some talent
[20:07] <ailo> I'm not totally crazy about the theme, though. I would want to raise the bar a little for Ubuntu Studio. 
[20:08] <ailo> I like that there are three versions, ambience light, ambience and ambience dark, or something like that
[20:12] <ailo> I was agreeing with him on the strategy, to try use Ubuntu's theme as base, but pimp it and make it look Ubuntu Studio.
[20:13] <ailo> I've already been working on Humanity based Icons, so perhaps I might as well try get those finished as an alternative.
[20:16] <ailo> It's funny how installing ubuntustudio-desktop afterwards gave a different default setup for panels and such
[20:17] <ailo> I mean, even before any desktop had been installed
[20:22] <scott-work> ailo: i would like to develop multiple themes and let some group, either focus group or user base as a whole, decide which one to install as default
[20:22] <ailo> scott-work, Sounds like a good idea
[20:23] <scott-work> i would REALLY like to develop that black and grey theme we looked at before
[20:23] <scott-work> in my opinion that is the best looking dark theme i have ever seen
[20:25] <ailo> scott-work, I guess there doesn't need to be just one. But only one can be installed by default. I like dark, but it has to be functional. Otherwise, I would at least only admire it, but never use it. Haven't used that one, but that's pretty much how I've felt about most dark themes.
[20:26] <ailo> Don't let me close any doors, though :P
[20:35] <ailo> scott-work, There's no Desktop volume control. Don't we need the indicator-applet?
[20:36] <scott-work> i would like to add it, yes
[20:36] <scott-work> i've always had to go to pavu control to set the volume
[20:37] <scott-work> i'm not sure what is involved however because i believe we are using a gconf settings file to set the panels up
[20:37] <ailo> scott-work, pavu control would be unneeded once there is a volume control. There's also padevchooser which is outdated
[20:38] <scott-work> if you would figure out which applet is needed i will see about updating the gconf file
[20:39] <ailo> I'll fool around with it.
[21:02] <ailo> scott-work, Just quickly testing on Virtualbox. For some reason, and I think this happened before, gtk isn't working properly. But, about the indicator applet. After updating the system, there was no problem adding it.
[21:04] <ailo> The indicator applet is apart of the standard set of applets already when doing a fresh install.
[21:31] <scott-work> i'll try adding it to my natty install tonight then
[21:32] <scott-work> i think this file is where it is set:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio/files
[21:32] <scott-work> ubuntustudio-panel-settings.entries
[21:33] <scott-work> i'll see if i can find it first, make a copy, add the indicator, then diff the two files and see what pops out
[21:33] <ailo> scott-work, I've only tried copying a custom made file. I should see if that is enough to create a new file.
[21:33] <scott-work> at least that's the plan
[21:34] <ailo> I mean, after adding something, you copy the file
[21:34] <ailo> Don't know if something else is added to that, but could be worth a shor
[21:34] <ailo> shot*
[21:35] <ailo> I'm talking unclearly as usual. Just to be clear: Could be, if you add the indicator, that the file in home directory just needs to be saved.
[21:36] <scott-work> copy the file first because when i add the indicator i think it will change that file
[21:36] <scott-work> i'm hoping that's what happens
[21:36] <scott-work> oh, i think i know what you are saying
[21:37] <scott-work> i can't use the new, update file to update the package, i won't be uploading a brand new file to the repos
[21:37] <ailo> Yeah, I'm not making a lot of sense :). After you add something, could be you just need to save the file that was edited in home directory
[21:37] <scott-work> but to update the package in the repos i need to have a diff file of just the changes
[21:38] <scott-work> the diff file will be patched to the package in the repos
[21:40] <ailo> I guess, the default file will be intact somewhere in /usr/share/* don't remember where it is. Then, after adding the indicator, just make a diff between that and the file in home directory, wherever it was. Don't know if that will work, cause I don't know if something more is added to the file in home, like some additional info.
[21:45] <ailo> scott-work, No, it doesn't seem to work, I think.
[21:47] <ailo> scott-work, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/update-gconf-defaults.8.html
[21:47] <ailo> I was looking for some tools to generate default gconf settings
[21:49] <ailo> Anyway, I have to sleep..
[21:50] <scott-work> goodnight and thanks
[21:51] <scott-work> heh, that link reminds me of the install file under /debian
[21:51] <scott-work> ubuntustudio-panel-settings.entries /usr/share/gconf/schemas/
[21:51] <scott-work> it installs that entry file to that directory
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