[01:49] bug #726199 [01:49] Launchpad bug 726199 in ubuntustudio-menu (Ubuntu) "[natty] ubuntustudio-menu does not show all applications in correct menus" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726199 [02:00] anybody do a full install of ubuntu studio lately? did the plymouth theme work or was it a light blue screen? [02:01] holstein, it looks like the network indicator in natty already indicates when the network is unplugged (at least it did for me on my alpha3 install) [02:01] at least it think it was alpha 3 install [03:11] ScottL, I've had the plymoth fail after some upgrade. I should install the latest to see how things work. [11:06] Hey abogani [11:06] ailo: Hi [11:07] I haven't been testing the kernels for a while. I took out my wireless card, so I tried quckly now, but it seems I can still get a few random xruns [11:07] It didn't happen while the computer was idle. Last time when I was using the browser. [11:09] But I suppose it could be anything [11:11] I should test on other systems. I compiled a kernel for Debian using vanilla source, and it seemed to work a little better on another PC. I should try different things on this one. [11:12] I'm currently running on Ubuntu, and it's using a lot of memory. I should switch to Ubuntustudio to do some testing there as well. [11:14] For avoid x-runs completely we have to use -realtime kernel. [11:18] Well, I can use this kernel on a higher latency setting, and still get good enough latency for production use, so I'm quite happy with this kernel in that sense, but I suppose for so many other hardware a -realtime will be a big help. [11:20] ailo: In any case your approach is the best: -lowlatency is more stable, updated, secure and compatible. [11:32] Hey T0rCh_raony , what's up? [11:33] hey ailo [11:34] still didn't had time to work on the indicator applet, but i will take a look this week [11:35] T0rCh_raony, No hurry. No one has decided on anything either, so it would just be an example application. falktx has been working on some software for KXStudio which has similar functions. [11:35] cool, do you have his repository ? [11:36] Let's see.. [11:36] T0rCh_raony, git://repo.or.cz/cadence.git [11:37] T0rCh_raony, build depends: python-qt4-devel pyqt4-dev-tools ladspa-sdk dssi-dev libasound2-dev [11:37] ok [11:37] T0rCh_raony, runtime depends: libjack0 python-rdflib python-qt4-dbus python-qt4-gl jack-capture [11:38] hey falktx [11:38] T0rCh_raony, You can look in the make file to see what apps there are. Do make, and make install. [11:39] ok [11:39] T0rCh_raony, And the app Carla needs to be compiled separately, make Carla [11:39] T0rCh_raony: step are actually "make" and "make carla" <- unstable app [11:39] apps usable so far: [11:39] - audio_test_plugin [11:40] - catarina (canvas test) [11:40] - catia (jack patchbay) [11:40] - claudia (jack patchbay+ladish gui) [11:40] - carla (multi-plugin host) [11:41] - xycontroller [11:41] small tools: [11:41] - jacksettings [11:41] - logs [11:41] - render [11:41] and that'is it [11:41] to run them: [11:41] cool [11:41] python src/.py [11:41] looks promissing [11:43] some this network sucks... [11:43] please say again [11:48] Actually, I think the runtime depend should be libjack-jack2-0 === falktx_ is now known as falktx [12:10] abogani, the -lowlatency kernel built in my ppa last night :) [12:32] ScottL: :-) === falktx__ is now known as falktx [18:16] scott-work, I installed us-natty alpha 3 right now. I think at least two tasksels are not working now. I wasn't able to identify which ones. I could reinstall on Virtualbox later to find out. [18:17] Also, I must have forgotten before, but installing from usb is no problem, if using unetbootin, but this is perhaps known already. [18:17] ailo: yeah? [18:17] no complaints about where the install media is ? [18:17] thats great :) [18:18] holstein, Yeah, it works pretty smoothly. I just choose the iso, and make the usb. [18:18] ailo: that's interesting about the tasksel [18:19] theres a really nice reporting option [18:19] in the installer [18:19] makes a webserver [18:19] when alpha 3 was released i installed all and they worked then :( [18:19] for you to se the log of what failed [18:19] holstein, How does that work? [18:19] ailo: but that is good news about installing from usb though :) [18:19] cjwatson got me hip to it last time i was trying to sort out what taskselect failed [18:19] ailo: i'll have to get it in front of me [18:20] BUT, i remember... [18:20] its in the alternate installer list [18:20] where is says like 'partition disks' [18:20] something about 'view logs' ? [18:20] near te bottom i remember* [18:22] Ok. I'll try installing on Virtualbox later today. This time I tried installing all tasksels, and taking one out each time it failed, but that didn't help, so that's why I thought it must be at least two that doesn't work. [18:22] ailo: you can also see: /var/log/install/syslog [18:22] if you can get to tty2 [18:23] scott-work, Only during install? [18:24] I seem to remember dropping to shell is not so hard. Is the same? Ctrl - Alt - F1? [18:24] ailo: if you can get the install to finish then you can get to it however you want [18:24] but yeah, you may need to drop to shell during install to see what the error is [18:24] i _think_ i'm done with my current natty install so might try to reinstall it this weekend [18:25] I've been on regular Ubuntu too much, so I figured, I need to get the hang of the US Desktop. [18:28] * ailo rebooting.. [19:28] ScottL, holstein: Did have a strange experience when booting into US alpha 3 first time. ubuntustudio-desktop wasn't installed. [19:29] When I booted in, instead of coming to a terminal prompt, the screen just went to sleep, and I had to do Ctrl -> Alt -> Del to reboot [19:30] something weird here ...I like to use wicd for a thousand reasons, when I was trying to remove networkmanager it was asking me to remove ubuntustudio-desktop together, what this package contains ? [19:30] I installed ubuntustudio-desktop, and after that I was able to boot into the desktop [19:30] T0rCh_raony, ubuntustudio-desktop is just a met-package, so there's no worry [19:30] meta-package [19:31] I know cause it didn't cause any damage to the system :) [19:32] It depends on all the packages that you need for ubuntustudio-desktop, so installing that package, all of the dependencies will be installed. [19:32] oh, I see [19:33] ScottL, Also, my screen wasn't looking good. I know from a previous installation that I had problems with corrupted graphics. I probably should have reacted then, but there was a lot going on with the standard Ubuntu Desktop at the time [19:33] ScottL, This time, only part of the screen was used. [19:34] Installing nvidia drivers solved it [19:37] scott-work, Just had some problems with the post-install of US alpha 3 [19:40] doh [19:40] wait, "post-install" ? which part then [19:41] scott-work, ubuntustudio-desktop hadn't been installed. [19:42] It didn't boot into prompt even, but from recovery mode, I was able to install ubuntustudio-desktop. After that, I was able to boot to desktop, but only part of the screen was in use. Installing nvidia drivers made the screen look normal [19:42] I'm doing a new install on Virtualbox now, in case there was something strange with the usb stick [19:44] T0rCh_raony, Which version did you install. Was it a daily build? [19:47] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/natty/alpha-3/ [19:49] Ok, so I can confirm that installing from usb stick was maybe not such a good idea after all [19:50] ailo: oh, you were isntalling from usb with that....hmmmmm, interesting [19:50] but still, it would be wicked to get usb install working though [19:50] Even the tasksel looked different. Seems like all the tasksels are working too [19:53] I suppose getting a usb installation working shouldn't be that far away, since at least the base system installs. [19:58] scott-work, Have you talked with MacInnis, or what's his name? Our art man.. [20:00] briefly, i'm about 1/2 way through with announcing him on the mailing list, forums, et al [20:01] work and home are still pretty jumping for me [20:01] even though i managed to get some other issues resolve for more time [20:02] scott-work, Did you look at his art? I checked out his PPA before, and installed the theme [20:04] yeah? what did you think? [20:05] i've looked at his website, both personal with music/videos, and dream studio [20:05] i think he's a helluva creative guy with some talent [20:07] I'm not totally crazy about the theme, though. I would want to raise the bar a little for Ubuntu Studio. [20:08] I like that there are three versions, ambience light, ambience and ambience dark, or something like that [20:12] I was agreeing with him on the strategy, to try use Ubuntu's theme as base, but pimp it and make it look Ubuntu Studio. [20:13] I've already been working on Humanity based Icons, so perhaps I might as well try get those finished as an alternative. [20:16] It's funny how installing ubuntustudio-desktop afterwards gave a different default setup for panels and such [20:17] I mean, even before any desktop had been installed [20:22] ailo: i would like to develop multiple themes and let some group, either focus group or user base as a whole, decide which one to install as default [20:22] scott-work, Sounds like a good idea [20:23] i would REALLY like to develop that black and grey theme we looked at before [20:23] in my opinion that is the best looking dark theme i have ever seen [20:25] scott-work, I guess there doesn't need to be just one. But only one can be installed by default. I like dark, but it has to be functional. Otherwise, I would at least only admire it, but never use it. Haven't used that one, but that's pretty much how I've felt about most dark themes. [20:26] Don't let me close any doors, though :P [20:35] scott-work, There's no Desktop volume control. Don't we need the indicator-applet? [20:36] i would like to add it, yes [20:36] i've always had to go to pavu control to set the volume [20:37] i'm not sure what is involved however because i believe we are using a gconf settings file to set the panels up [20:37] scott-work, pavu control would be unneeded once there is a volume control. There's also padevchooser which is outdated [20:38] if you would figure out which applet is needed i will see about updating the gconf file [20:39] I'll fool around with it. [21:02] scott-work, Just quickly testing on Virtualbox. For some reason, and I think this happened before, gtk isn't working properly. But, about the indicator applet. After updating the system, there was no problem adding it. [21:04] The indicator applet is apart of the standard set of applets already when doing a fresh install. [21:31] i'll try adding it to my natty install tonight then [21:32] i think this file is where it is set: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio/files [21:32] ubuntustudio-panel-settings.entries [21:33] i'll see if i can find it first, make a copy, add the indicator, then diff the two files and see what pops out [21:33] scott-work, I've only tried copying a custom made file. I should see if that is enough to create a new file. [21:33] at least that's the plan [21:34] I mean, after adding something, you copy the file [21:34] Don't know if something else is added to that, but could be worth a shor [21:34] shot* [21:35] I'm talking unclearly as usual. Just to be clear: Could be, if you add the indicator, that the file in home directory just needs to be saved. [21:36] copy the file first because when i add the indicator i think it will change that file [21:36] i'm hoping that's what happens [21:36] oh, i think i know what you are saying [21:37] i can't use the new, update file to update the package, i won't be uploading a brand new file to the repos [21:37] Yeah, I'm not making a lot of sense :). After you add something, could be you just need to save the file that was edited in home directory [21:37] but to update the package in the repos i need to have a diff file of just the changes [21:38] the diff file will be patched to the package in the repos [21:40] I guess, the default file will be intact somewhere in /usr/share/* don't remember where it is. Then, after adding the indicator, just make a diff between that and the file in home directory, wherever it was. Don't know if that will work, cause I don't know if something more is added to the file in home, like some additional info. [21:45] scott-work, No, it doesn't seem to work, I think. [21:47] scott-work, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/update-gconf-defaults.8.html [21:47] I was looking for some tools to generate default gconf settings [21:49] Anyway, I have to sleep.. [21:50] goodnight and thanks [21:51] heh, that link reminds me of the install file under /debian [21:51] ubuntustudio-panel-settings.entries /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ [21:51] it installs that entry file to that directory [22:59] c