[00:09] <bwright> \o/ Unity is compiling!
[00:34] <bwright> \o/ Unity compiled. However there is no cpp plugin when I try setting up the test environment. Hmm.
[00:50] <Cimi> jjardon: well, I'm still online for a bit...
[07:25] <didrocks> good morning
[07:52] <zniavre_> good morning
[07:52] <zniavre_> (oops sorry wrong channel)
[08:04] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> greetings folks
[08:06] <didrocks> zniavre_: good morning still! :)
[08:16] <zniavre_> :o)
[08:30] <zniavre_> that s funny i can run compiz only with unity-2d ...   :o)
[09:37] <seiflotfy> MacSlow, can you please fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/729074 so i can finish the zeitgeist powered jumplists for you
[09:37] <MacSlow> seiflotfy, yes that's on my plate for this week
[09:40] <seiflotfy> MacSlow, thanks
[10:11] <seiflotfy> kamstrup,
[10:11] <seiflotfy>  the launcher also does not expose the .desktop files on it via dbus
[10:11] <seiflotfy> and
[10:11] <seiflotfy> and I cant find a signal that tells me that a new .desktop file has been added
[10:12] <kamstrup> seiflotfy: right, that's unfortunately not something we can do for natty
[10:13] <kamstrup> seiflotfy: you can pull out the sticky apps from gsettings afaik though
[10:38] <kamstrup> seb128: now that the new zeitgeist-datahub is in, we should drop the zeitgeist gio module package
[10:38] <kamstrup> seb128: libzeitgeist-gio that is
[10:53] <seb128> kamstrup, ok thanks
[11:01] <robtaylor> didrocks: hey, so, noted that the patch isn't working - I know there were issues, but needed a more stable box to test on. Back from illness now and have an intel netbook to test on :)
[11:02] <didrocks> robtaylor: no worry :) hope you feel better!
[11:02] <robtaylor> didrocks: thanks! yeah, feelingf a hell of a lot better today, thankfully :D
[11:03] <robtaylor> didrocks: I think the issue is probably that I'm setting the restart state too early. Going to try that now once compiz is built on this netbook
[11:04] <didrocks> robtaylor: there is an ABI beakage recently, so ensure that all plugins are updated with the new core
[11:04] <robtaylor> didrocks: thanks for the warning!
[11:07] <robtaylor> didrocks: so dbarth mentioned a gnome integration patch that needs merging. Do you know much about that?
[11:07] <didrocks> robtaylor: hum, not at all, I thought he discussed about your session patch :)
[11:08] <robtaylor> ahh
[11:09] <robtaylor> well, lets get that fixed and merged today then ;)
[11:13] <didrocks> that will be nice :)
[11:25] <kamstrup> didrocks: one bug to go, and I'll start rolling releases for you. I have libzeitgeist, libunity, and u-p-* for you today
[11:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent!
[11:26] <dbarth> klattimer: ping? hi karl
[11:26] <klattimer> dbarth: hey
[11:26] <dbarth> klattimer: are there branches you need reviews for today
[11:26] <klattimer> not for review
[11:26] <dbarth> klattimer: today is the last day to land things in on time for the beta freeze
[11:26] <klattimer> ok, well nope not today
[11:27] <dbarth> klattimer: tarballs are due this evening
[11:27] <dbarth> klattimer: but later, it's going to be even harder to land, right?
[11:27] <dbarth> klattimer: what are the bugs / branches you still have on your plate?
[11:27] <klattimer> yeah a few minor ones
[11:27] <klattimer> and one crasher I can't reproduce
[11:28] <dbarth> klattimer: all are on the 3.6.8 and 3.8 bug lists?
[11:28] <dbarth> ie https://launchpad.net/unity-foundations/+milestone/unity-3.6.8
[11:28] <dbarth> and following
[11:29] <dbarth> klattimer: however, mpt filed a couple of last minute string updates
[11:29] <dbarth> klattimer: can you take a look at those and make sure they make it into the release today
[11:29] <dbarth> klattimer: that requires pushing the right .po updates and resync with rosetta i guess
[11:29] <klattimer> ok, where can I find the string changes ?
[11:34] <seb128> dbarth, there is no po update to do
[11:34] <seb128> klattimer, launchpad bugs, mpt just opened a stack of those
[11:35] <klattimer> seb128: not my bugs?
[11:35] <seb128> klattimer, no, indicator-datetime bugs, they didn't get assigned yet
[11:35] <klattimer> ok, if you can assign them I'll get to it
[11:35] <seb128> ok
[11:35] <klattimer> just don't see them in my bug list right now
[11:35] <klattimer> I take it these HAVE to be done today?
[11:36] <klattimer> if so I'll get to it
[11:36] <klattimer> mterry: did your dbusmenu branch get released yet?!
[11:36] <klattimer> mterry: morning btw :)
[11:36] <seb128> klattimer, well, review https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bugs if you want
[11:36] <seb128> klattimer, #740806 for example is a string bug
[11:37] <mterry> klattimer, which branch?  The close/open one?  I believe so
[11:39] <robtaylor> seb128: i was wondering, could we get apport to attach .xession-errors to bug reports?
[11:39] <seb128> robtaylor, it does?
[11:39] <robtaylor> seb128: it doesn't, afaict
[11:40] <robtaylor> seb128: could we fix it to do that? would be useful for session startup failures
[11:41] <seb128> robtaylor, do you have an example?
[11:42] <robtaylor> seb128: of what exactly?
[11:42] <seb128> klattimer, ok, mterry is going to work on fixing some bugs as well on the indicator today so maybe check with him before starting on ones not assigned to you if you do
[11:42] <seb128> robtaylor, of bug which should have extra infos but doesn't
[11:43] <klattimer> seb128, mterry: cool
[11:43] <cdbs> Hello, anyone would care to give me a go-ahead for working on bug #740867 ?
[11:43] <robtaylor> seb128: oh, the case in point is 729597
[11:43] <cdbs> Oh, who marked it opinion?
[11:44] <seb128> robtaylor, I've to go for lunch but will check on that
[11:44] <robtaylor> seb128: cool, thanks!
[11:44] <seb128> robtaylor, in fact apport has code but it grabs only some type of errors
[11:44] <seb128> it doesn't attach the .xsession-errors
[11:44] <robtaylor> seb128: ah, i see
[11:57] <cdbs> didrocks: ping
[11:57] <cdbs> didrocks: so, did work begin on the desktop file patching thing?
[11:58] <didrocks> cdbs: didn't really began, I provided patch examples
[11:58] <didrocks> cdbs: you can see that in gnome-screenshot and inkscape
[11:58] <didrocks> cdbs: reference is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Static Quicklist entries
[11:58] <cdbs> didrocks: seems easy to implement
[11:58] <didrocks> yeah :)
[11:59] <didrocks> sorry to refuse your merge btw
[11:59] <cdbs> didrocks: yes, I have implemented it already. Which other app needs it? I can provide patches
[11:59] <cdbs> err
[11:59] <cdbs> by saying 'I have implemented it already' I meant I have hacked around with the static quicklist api already
[12:00] <didrocks> cdbs: all the one where it's useful (shouldn't add clutter though). So no need for single instance one
[12:00] <didrocks> but adding a "new image" to gimp, can be nice :)
[12:00]  * cdbs can think of firefox
[12:00] <cdbs> didrocks: okay, I'll add for gimp today
[12:00] <didrocks> cdbs: not sure about webrowser as we have tabs
[12:00] <didrocks> cdbs: maybe open a new tab from the launcher can be nice :)
[12:01] <cdbs> didrocks: sure, I'll do that
[12:01] <didrocks> thanks :)
[12:36] <didrocks> apinheiro: the places are recommends, and installed by default then
[12:37] <didrocks> apinheiro: not depends because we think some people wants to remove them
[12:37] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[12:38] <apinheiro> didrocks, anyway, that was the big issue here
[12:38] <didrocks> apinheiro: ensure that you have unity-place-files as well while you are at it :)
[12:39] <apinheiro> didrocks, np, it is working now
[12:45] <didrocks> kamstrup: waow, do you really see that while a progress bar appear? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66277783/Screenshot.png
[12:46] <kamstrup> didrocks: yes... quite funny :-)
[12:46] <didrocks> kamstrup: intel/ATI?
[12:46] <kamstrup> didrocks: i
[12:46] <didrocks> hum, I really don't have that :/
[12:46] <didrocks> ok, in that can, let's see what Jason is thinking about it, he solved the 1px drag icon for intel recently
[12:47] <didrocks> anyway, it's not a "logic" issue as it's working on nvidia
[12:56] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, my final bug for this ms has been crushed. I'll roll libzeitgeist and libunity in a sec, and the daemons will be hot on the heels of those
[12:56] <coz_> hey all
[12:56] <didrocks> kamstrup: nice! seems a speedy race :-)
[12:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: are all "unity" tasks set to fix committed and to that milestone?
[12:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: i believe so, i've been trying to do that at least, i'll double check while distchecking
[12:58] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent, thanks!
[13:24] <kamstrup> didrocks: https://launchpad.net/libzeitgeist/0.3/0.3.8
[13:25] <didrocks> see, kamstrup posting, launchpad promess 0 bug :)
[13:25] <didrocks> kamstrup: thanks :)
[13:27] <didrocks> kamstrup: seems you didn't push the latest commits
[13:27] <kamstrup> didrocks: sorry, didn't attach any bugs to the milestone - there were 2. Let me fetch the links if you want them
[13:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: i did... 5s ago :-)
[13:28] <didrocks> kamstrup: heh :-)
[13:28] <kamstrup> didrocks: you want the two bug links, or no matter?
[13:29] <didrocks> kamstrup: it's ok, no need for the links if it's attached now
[13:29] <kamstrup> didrocks: they're annotated on the commits at least
[13:30] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, saw that, all is nice!
[13:33] <kamstrup> didrocks: panic?!
[13:33] <kamstrup> didrocks: "/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.la: No such file or directory" when making libunity
[13:34] <didrocks> kamstrup: there was some change in the .la files recently. The policy was to not ship them, not sure if it changed
[13:34] <didrocks> seb128 discussed it with slangasek yesterday (or at least, I'm sure he followed the discussion) :)
[13:35] <seb128> kamstrup, is your system uptodate?
[13:35] <didrocks> seb128: the .la ship was done by error?
[13:36] <seb128> didrocks, what .la shipping?
[13:36] <didrocks> seb128: wasn't there a discussion yesterday about some package shipping .la files on #ubuntu-devel? (I didn't follow it)
[13:36] <seb128> no, the issue was that some hardcoded a path for the .la this list
[13:37] <seb128> the policy is to empty the dependencies list in the .la though
[13:37] <stefano-palazzo> Can anyone update me on this business of dee being broken? I want to make sure If I haven't made a mistake, it 'looks like' dee is kaput at the moment
[13:37] <didrocks> seb128: oh ok, make sense
[13:38] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: it works very well here..?
[13:38] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: in what regard is it broken? the python bindings?
[13:40] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, yes, I was instructed to download this gi/overrides/Dee.py, otherwise I would've gotten an error, I now get the same error after people telling me I don't need to do that anymore
[13:40] <stefano-palazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/584282/
[13:40] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: look in the output of 'dpkg -L gir1.2-dee-0.5'
[13:41] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: if it lists Dee.py in the right location
[13:41] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, it doesn't list anything, the package itself is 'the latest version'
[13:43] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: then you didn't run the command I wrote :-)
[13:43] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, sorry about that :) yes it shows Dee.py in the correct place
[13:44] <kamstrup> didrocks: ! another! https://launchpad.net/libunity/trunk/3.6.8 (distcheck failed with the error i pasted, but make and make dist are happy)
[13:44] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, however, the file isn't there
[13:44] <didrocks> kamstrup: what, you dare posting a tarball with distcheck failing? Where is the kamstrup I have ever known? :-)
[13:45] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: odd... do you have 0.5.16-0ubuntu3 or?
[13:46] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, yep, that's the one
[13:46] <kamstrup> didrocks: i think the world is conspiring against me... I sit around twiddling a few lines of code, no new files, no touching build system, and now dee, libzeitgeist, and libunity fails distcheck >:-/
[13:46] <kamstrup> they frigging used to pass
[13:46] <stefano-palazzo> It's today's ISO - with a few unrelated upgrades
[13:46] <didrocks> kamstrup: damned, you found our conspiration :-)
[13:47] <kamstrup> didrocks: so you run meta-x-butterfly on the autotools packages before you upload or something?
[13:47] <kamstrup> ;-)
[13:48] <didrocks> kamstrup: heh, exactly :-)
[13:48] <robtaylor> didrocks: hah, just got deep enough to realised I missed the clue before - metacity doesn't restart now
[13:48] <didrocks> kamstrup: nice on PlaceSearch.finished() !
[13:48] <robtaylor> didrocks: this is actually an issue in gnome-session
[13:48] <didrocks> robtaylor: oh really?
[13:49] <didrocks> robtaylor: nautilus is
[13:49] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, okay I just re-installed the package, now the file is there and the daemon starts okay - no Idea what went wrong there
[13:50] <didrocks> robtaylor: so, if the metacity integration is broken and you took this as an example, all start to make sense :)
[13:50] <didrocks> stefano-palazzo: manual removal?
[13:50] <jcastro> kenvandine: did this last dee update from last night fix our problem?
[13:50] <robtaylor> didrocks: yeah, if i switch of debugging for gnome-session (kill -SIGUSR1) it tells me 'unable to find application for client'
[13:50] <stefano-palazzo> didrocks, I just booted todays daily ISO, freshly, and applied the few upgrades (none of them related). really not sure
[13:51] <stefano-palazzo> but I didn't do it ;-)
[13:51] <robtaylor> didrocks: so it might be that nautilus is doing the new dbus way, and the old XSMP way is broken. or something missing in registration
[13:51] <didrocks> robtaylor: right, more than possible
[13:51] <robtaylor> didrocks: gonna have to do a build of gnome-session with some added debug statments
[13:51] <robtaylor> but first I have to take a  call ;)
[13:52] <didrocks> robtaylor: ok, at least, now, there are some reason :)
[13:52] <didrocks> robtaylor: just ensure that nautilus is working
[13:52] <robtaylor> didrocks: yeah, i should document this session debugging stuff somewhere
[13:52] <didrocks> robtaylor: or that you are on a stock ubuntu install :)
[13:57] <didrocks> kamstrup: hum, configure doesn't pass for libunity :/
[14:00] <didrocks> big update, let's try that first
[14:12] <jcastro> kenvandine: same error as before with this new dee btw.
[14:12] <kenvandine> jcastro, yeah... i need to talk to kamstrup
[14:12] <kenvandine> it seems to be spotty
[14:12] <jcastro> k
[14:12] <jcastro> omg blogged about the lens but it doesn't work. :-/
[14:12] <jcastro> or maybe it worked for him
[14:13] <kenvandine> i installed the lense on laurie's laptop lastnight without updating libdee and it just worked
[14:13] <jcastro> i just updated that laptop and it didn't work
[14:14] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ping
[14:15] <kenvandine> kamstrup, libdee in python is acting very weird
[14:15] <kenvandine> and i suspect it is related to the comment you had in that sample python place
[14:16] <kenvandine> # FIXME: Some weird bug in Dee or PyGI makes Dee fail unless we probe
[14:16] <kenvandine> #        it *before* we import the Unity module... ?!
[14:16] <kenvandine> i did a rebuild and update on libdee and it worked, when it failed before
[14:16] <kenvandine> then it started failing again
[14:16] <kenvandine> it seems to work randomly
[14:16] <kenvandine> :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> so maybe race condition or something?
[14:18] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, how exactly does it fail on the subsequent tries? same error about the SharedModel()?
[14:18] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:18] <kamstrup> kenvandine: pong?
[14:19] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ^^
[14:20] <didrocks> robtaylor: waow, compiz just crashed and it respawn this time
[14:20] <kenvandine> wow
[14:20] <klattimer> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/sniffles/+merge/54501 any chance on this being merged and released today?
[14:20] <didrocks> kamstrup: weechat just crashed as well, so not sure you answered :)
[14:21] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[14:21] <kenvandine> klattimer, lets talk to tedg about merging and doing a release
[14:22] <klattimer> k cool
[14:22] <kenvandine> kamstrup, any thoughts?
[14:23] <tedg> klattimer, Yup
[14:23] <tedg> klattimer, We wouldn't want mpt to have the sniffles.  :-)
[14:23] <klattimer> a man of few words, but at least it's a good one :)
[14:23] <klattimer> oh there are a bunch of other sniffles unfortunately
[14:23] <klattimer> :(
[14:24] <klattimer> mterry is also working on some things, so you might wanna wait on tarballs until he's done
[14:25] <artfwo> I cannot reopen bug 709461, all the possible statuses are greyed out. is it an "intentional" lock?
[14:25] <mterry> klattimer, my work is never complete with datetime
[14:26] <mterry> klattimer, but there are at least 3 merges filed right now
[14:26] <klattimer> ;)
[14:26] <kamstrup> kenvandine: ok..? "weird", like?
[14:29] <kenvandine> kamstrup, trying to run the askubuntu lense
[14:29] <kenvandine> it works sometimes and fails other times
[14:29] <kenvandine> the SharedModel error when it doesn't get the override
[14:30] <kenvandine> but, it seems like once it fails it keeps failing... it's driving me nuts
[14:31] <kamstrup> kenvandine: hmmm, could be
[14:33] <didrocks> kamstrup: see me?
[14:36] <kenvandine> sladen, humm... should the draw attention icon now really be blue?
[14:36] <kenvandine> chaotic, ^^
[14:37] <zniavre> kenvandine,  i can confirme that
[14:37] <kenvandine> zniavre, it is blue for you right?
[14:37] <zniavre> it is yes
[14:37] <kenvandine> chaotic, the question is, was that intentional :)
[14:37] <lamalex> DBO, has any thought gone into what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/735890
[14:39] <kamstrup> kenvandine: hold on a sec, just trying to unblock didrocks - or is this very urgent?
[14:39] <kenvandine> kamstrup, no worries
[14:39] <kenvandine> not very... but i would like places/lenses to work reliably in python :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> and anything else using dee
[14:40] <chaotic> kenvandine: yes, it's intentional
[14:40] <kamstrup> kenvandine: +1 :-)
[14:43] <kenvandine> chaotic, ok :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> just checking
[14:52] <chaotic> kenvandine: based on a few discussions with Mark
[14:53] <kenvandine> chaotic, understand, just making sure it wasn't a build problem
[14:53] <chaotic> kenvandine: pn :)
[14:53] <chaotic> kenvandine: oops - np I mean
[14:53] <kenvandine> :)
[14:55] <jcastro> artfwo: I think after something is fixed released you can't change it maybe?
[14:55] <jcastro> artfwo: oh, I think you need to be in bugcontrol or something
[14:57] <artfwo> jcastro, I beleive bugcontrol is allowed to set a bug to 'Triaged'. all the others may at least set it to 'Confirmed', 'Fix released', etc.
[14:57] <jcastro> I have the permission to change it seems
[14:57] <jcastro> though this is that "invisible window" thing again isn't it?
[14:57] <artfwo> yeah
[14:58] <jcastro> I swore I saw something about a test suite scrolling by somewhere about that
[14:59] <jcastro> BACON.
[15:00] <lamalex> jcastro, did you already do your unity report?
[15:00] <jcastro> lamalex: it's in draft
[15:00] <jcastro> what do you need?
[15:00] <lamalex> just tagged another bitesize
[15:00] <jcastro> lamalex: I'm publishing it in about an hour or so
[15:01] <lamalex> and I think I see a few more on the list
[15:01] <jcastro> yeah the list is getting bigger, I grabbed the ones I felt people might be interested in
[15:01] <jcastro> If I can't find someone to update INSTALL then I should be killed.
[15:03] <lamalex> what do oyu need?
[15:04] <lamalex> haha oh wow
[15:04] <lamalex> it's pretty out of date
[15:04] <lamalex> submit a patch
[15:04] <lamalex> you know how to use bzr :P
[15:04] <lamalex> or is that a bitesizer
[15:04] <robtaylor> didrocks: ah, fun and frolicks
[15:05] <robtaylor> didrocks: like i say, gnome-session buggyness, i think ;)
[15:07] <lamalex> DBO, do you think this is bitesize? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/737758
[15:07] <lamalex> something with struts before first hide
[15:09] <jcastro> lamalex: it's a bitesizer, I'd like a new person to dig in
[15:10] <DBO> lamalex, that should be resolved
[15:11] <lamalex> DBO, ok
[15:11] <lamalex> so fix committed?
[15:12] <DBO> ya
[15:31] <robtaylor> didrocks: yeah, nautilus restarts fine..
[15:32] <didrocks> robtaylor: that's really weird… I get compiz restarting on crash now, not on kill -11 though
[15:35] <robtaylor> didrocks: oh, such d
[15:35] <robtaylor> didrocks: oh, such fun!
[15:35] <robtaylor> didrocks: too much flakeyness abounds, and it's damn hard to tie all of it down
[15:35] <didrocks> yeah, I can imagine
[15:36] <robtaylor> didrocks: can you send a SIGUSR1 to gnome-session, then kill compiz ?
[15:36] <robtaylor> didrocks: then pastebin the relevent stuff from .xsession-errors
[15:36] <didrocks> robtaylor: not right now, still finishing the unity fundations release
[15:37] <didrocks> robtaylor: can wrap that up to you later, of if someone is testing right now here?
[15:37] <robtaylor> didrocks: ok, next time it catches your attention then :)
[15:37] <robtaylor> didrocks: it not a necessity, i'm focusing on the error case I see here at the moment
[15:37] <didrocks> sure ;)
[15:39] <Davidc_3> Kamstrup, stefano-palazzo, jcastro: I'm currently working on a Library Lens. It successfully finds free-to-read books (yay) using google API, and I'm having a hard time to set book covers as item icons. Any hints?
[15:44] <kamstrup> Davidc_3: I think you may want to punk njpatel about that... right now the Unity icon loader can't fetch http resources, so unless that lands in unity really soon you need to download and cache the covers yourself and then use a Gio.FileIcon() to send them to unity
[15:45] <Davidc_3> kamstrup: That's what I was going to investigate (not punking njpatel, the other stuff). Thanks :)
[15:45] <njpatel> It might land soon if I stop having to go to meetingts
[15:46] <kamstrup> tedg: approved
[15:46] <tedg> kamstrup, Great, thanks!
[15:51] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, actually that's what I expected, it'd be nice if unity would fetch the icons for me, but fetching them manually isn't a big deal.
[15:52]  * jcastro is hopeful
[15:52] <tedg> DBO, https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/bamf/match-apps-by-startup-wm-class/+merge/44410
[15:52] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: is the ellipsis of the returned text a lens thing or something we can adjust?
[15:52] <jcastro> seems to truncate weird
[15:52] <tedg> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~marcelstimberg/indicator-me/translator-comments/+merge/52346
[15:52] <jcastro> ... middle of sentence ...
[15:52] <DBO> tedg, how much regression teesting has been done on that...
[15:53] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, the thing that's stopping me from implementing dynamic icons is, they are not shown when you call model.append(), the same issue is causing "everything"-search to be slower. If the icons were shown straight away, both 'bugs' could be fixed very quickly
[15:53] <tedg> DBO, No clue.  I'm just trying to clear out merges :-)
[15:53] <DBO> right... uhm
[15:53] <DBO> crap... I am so skeptical about merging that now...
[15:53] <kenvandine> tedg, yeah... seb128 asked dbarth earlier about that
[15:53] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, the ellipsis is automatic, it must be somewhere in the unity icon loader
[15:54] <kenvandine> if we needed CA for comments
[15:54] <tedg> kenvandine, Ah, okay.
[15:54] <tedg> kenvandine, And this one?  https://code.launchpad.net/~cando/indicator-me/emesene2_support/+merge/50178
[15:54] <kenvandine> he didn't respond yet
[15:54] <kenvandine> tedg, i just haven't had time to review that...
[15:57] <jcastro> cando_: around?
[15:57] <jcastro> kenvandine: cando's worked on emesene before
[15:57] <cando_> hey jcastro
[15:58] <kenvandine> jcastro, yeah..
[15:58] <kenvandine> cando_, really sorry i haven't reviewed that yet... been swamped
[15:58] <cando_> kenvandine, no problem :):)
[15:58] <jcastro> cando_: ok so we need like a third emesene person to test to see if this works
[15:59] <cando_> jcastro, c10ud is another emesene's developer
[15:59] <cando_> now is not here...but he hangs in #ayatana very often..
[16:01] <cando_> so jcastro what i've to do?
[16:02] <jcastro> cando_: hmm, ted reminds me that getting you to test your own fix won't make sense
[16:02] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, at the moment, when I display new Icons, it only displays them once everything is ready (when the callback is finished?). Can you explain how that works?
[16:02] <jcastro> surely we can find someone who's using emesene to give it a shot?
[16:02] <cando_> eheh
[16:03] <cando_> i'll write a message to the emesene's mailing list
[16:03] <cando_> asking for a natty tester
[16:03] <cando_> jcastro, i'll let you know...how many days i've for getting this included in natty?
[16:04] <jcastro> cando_: about 24 hours. :)
[16:04] <cando_> uh cool
[16:04] <jcastro> I won't mention any names but someone didn't ping me about it until just now. :)
[16:05] <cando_> jcastro, ok thanks..i'll see what i can do:)
[16:06] <jcastro> cando_: in the future feel free to just annoy people in here for reviews.
[16:06] <nhaines> I want to shamelessly bring attention to bug 740515.  :)
[16:07] <jcastro> and if we need to do a better job ensuring we don't miss things then we can fix that
[16:07] <cando_> jcastro, sure! :) you'll be the first
[16:12] <kenvandine> ronoc, hummm... the muting bug is kind of fixed
[16:12] <kenvandine> maybe this is another bug :)
[16:13] <kenvandine> so i restarted my session and opened banshee
[16:13] <kenvandine> the indicators showed my volume wasn't muted
[16:13] <kenvandine> ronoc, i selected a song to play and started playing
[16:13] <kenvandine> the indicator went to muted
[16:13] <kenvandine> but sound isn't muted
[16:13] <kenvandine> but the icon shows it as muted
[16:14] <kenvandine> and the "mute" menu is disabled
[16:14] <kenvandine> so i can't unmute
[16:14] <ronoc> weird
[16:14] <kenvandine> ronoc, i also can't move the volume slider
[16:15] <kenvandine> i can control playback though
[16:15] <ronoc> kenvandine, sounds like the service is not running properly ?
[16:15] <ronoc> hmm
[16:15] <ronoc> is pulse running ?
[16:15] <kenvandine> ah... no it isn't
[16:15] <ronoc> kenvandine, aha
[16:15] <kenvandine> weird, i am not getting the same icon i usually get for that
[16:15] <ronoc> kenvandine, the icon set has changed,
[16:16] <kenvandine> oh right
[16:16] <kenvandine> ok...
[16:16] <ronoc> the previous mute icon is now for no devices
[16:16] <kenvandine> what is the right way to start pulse?
[16:16] <kenvandine> that makes more sense
[16:16] <ronoc> do you have autospawn off ?
[16:16] <kenvandine> the scary red icon wasn't good for that
[16:16] <kenvandine> dunno
[16:16] <kenvandine> stock setup
[16:16] <kenvandine> never tweaked pulse
[16:16] <ronoc> hmm it should be running
[16:16] <ronoc> you can do
[16:16] <ronoc> pulseaudio --start
[16:17] <ronoc> but is should be spawned already
[16:17] <kenvandine> ok, it started
[16:17] <kenvandine> but the indicator state didn't change
[16:17] <ronoc> hmm weird , nothing has changed around all of that
[16:18] <ronoc> i can do  quick test, one sec
[16:18] <ronoc> will turn off autospawn, and relogin
[16:26] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: DeeSharedModel sync all changes to Unity in the background when the mainloop is idle
[16:26] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: so if you block the mainloop with a network request for an icon or something, you'll block the current changes from being synced
[16:26] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: there's a trick you can apply
[16:26] <kamstrup> stefano-palazzo: call model.flush_revision_queue() that will send all pending changes to unity
[16:26] <kenvandine> ronoc, i can reliably reproduce that
[16:26] <stefano-palazzo> kamstrup, oh that's brilliant, that'll solve my problem!
[16:27] <ronoc> kenvandine, works fine for me, if you open g-v-c what is the name of the sink ?
[16:27] <apinheiro> didrocks, one question about the alt+f2 dialog
[16:27] <ronoc> I bet you it is auto-null
[16:27] <apinheiro> you need to select the specific icon?
[16:27] <apinheiro> or if you write the proper app name
[16:27] <ronoc> kenvandine, sink == output
[16:27] <apinheiro> pressing enter should open it?
[16:27] <didrocks> apinheiro: it will open the first result
[16:27] <didrocks> (that's what happens with keynav on every dash)
[16:27] <didrocks> and the first result is exactly what you typed
[16:27] <kenvandine> Internal audio analog stereo
[16:28] <ronoc> feck
[16:28] <ronoc> weird
[16:28] <ronoc> okay this works fine here
[16:28]  * kenvandine downgrades to confirm it worked before
[16:28] <apinheiro> didrocks, well, in my case is not working
[16:28] <apinheiro> alt+f2
[16:28] <kenvandine> it worked yesterday, i know
[16:28] <apinheiro> write emacs
[16:28] <apinheiro> and press enter
[16:28] <apinheiro> nothing happens
[16:28] <didrocks> apinheiro: if you press enter before the text is shown in the first entry, it won't work
[16:29] <ronoc> kenvandine, i haven't changed anything in the audio device handling since about 3 weeks ago
[16:29] <ronoc> hyperair, ping
[16:29] <apinheiro> didrocks, first entry?
[16:29] <apinheiro> I only see one entry
[16:29] <didrocks> apinheiro: the results
[16:30] <apinheiro> didrocks, well, I start to write on the text entry
[16:30] <apinheiro> emacs
[16:30] <apinheiro> and I see that
[16:30] <apinheiro> and a selection
[16:30] <apinheiro> below
[16:30] <apinheiro> some icons with some proposals
[16:30] <apinheiro> but if I press enter
[16:30] <apinheiro> nothing happens
[16:30] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, "launch in a terminal" isn't supported yet
[16:31] <didrocks> apinheiro: if you try gnome-about-me though, it works, isn't it?
[16:31] <kenvandine> ronoc, confirmed it is a regression, works fine in 0.6.4
[16:31] <apinheiro> didrocks, I will test it
[16:32] <didrocks> apinheiro: keep me posted
[16:33] <ronoc> kenvandine, weird, have you tested with the newer release while pulse was running
[16:33] <kenvandine> yes
[16:33] <kenvandine> pulse dies when it starts to play
[16:33] <kenvandine> the indicator works fine until i start playing in banshee
[16:33] <apinheiro> didrocks, no, I also need to select it
[16:33] <ronoc> kenvandine, okay this is a different bug
[16:34] <kenvandine> but is isn't banshee killing pulse, since it doesn't die in 0.6.4
[16:34] <didrocks> apinheiro: ok, but if you select it, it's working right
[16:34] <apinheiro> yes
[16:34] <apinheiro> didrocks, what Im saying
[16:34] <ronoc> kenvandine, okay testing now
[16:34] <didrocks> gord: first entry in dashes aren't selected anymore ^^
[16:34] <apinheiro> is that you need to write to search, and then select the specific item
[16:35] <ronoc> kenvandine, i don't understand how my mpris dbus call can be killing pulse
[16:35] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, normally the first one is selected automatically
[16:35] <didrocks> apinheiro: whatever dash/places you are in
[16:35] <ronoc> kenvandine, are you running the latest banshee (from the daily) ?
[16:36] <apinheiro> didrocks, and this in general or just with things like gnome-about-me?
[16:37] <kenvandine> ronoc, no
[16:37] <kenvandine> natty version
[16:37] <didrocks> apinheiro: in general, in every dash, the first result entry should be preselected on search
[16:37] <kenvandine> ronoc, it is also suspicious that starting pulse manually doesn't get picked up by the indicator
[16:38] <ronoc> kenvandine, it does here though,
[16:38] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok, thanks
[16:38] <kenvandine> reliably doesn't here... :/
[16:42] <didrocks> apinheiro: yw ;)
[16:44] <kenvandine> ronoc, ok... it gets really weird now
[16:44] <kenvandine> i install rhythmbox to see if it caused the same problem
[16:44] <kenvandine> restarted my session and it worked fine
[16:44] <kenvandine> so i restarted again and tested with banshee and now it doesn't crash
[16:44] <ronoc> kenvandine, yeah I'm basically doing a diff between the last two releases
[16:45] <kenvandine> seems like installing rhythmbox made a difference?
[16:45] <ronoc> nothing significant has gone in in this release
[16:45] <kenvandine> i also removed rhythmbox and it seems to still work
[16:45] <ronoc> a few icon tweaks etc
[16:45] <ronoc> no pulse changes
[16:45] <ronoc> nada
[16:45] <kenvandine> i don't think i had ever had rb installed on this box
[16:46] <ronoc> hmm
[16:46] <ronoc> gremlins in the stack
[16:48] <ronoc> kenvandine, the pulse crash I had seen before when banshee plays, honestly i think that's a banshee bindings issue
[16:48] <kenvandine> ronoc, damn... i removed rb from interested-media-players
[16:48] <kenvandine> and it still works
[16:48] <kenvandine> it happened reliably like 10 times with i-s 0.6.5 though
[16:49] <kenvandine> now it is working reliably
[16:49] <kenvandine> wtf
[16:49] <ronoc> kenvandine, I don't get it
[16:49] <kenvandine> me either
[16:49] <kenvandine> all i did was install rb
[16:49] <kenvandine> :)
[16:49] <gord> didrocks, how do you mean. the first entry won't be selected with key-nav because you have the text entry focused
[16:49] <ronoc> this release is pretty trivial
[16:49] <kenvandine> ronoc, i guess we just need to upload it and see if it hits anyone else
[16:50] <ronoc> kenvandine, sounds like a plan, well i did a quick code diff and there is nothing dodgy here. so 0.6.4 has been out for a bit without any significant bugs so ...
[16:50] <ronoc> kenvandine, i'll roll another with that banshee check
[16:51] <kenvandine> thx
[16:52] <ronoc> kenvandine, this is the only bug that is currently on my mind, I really again don't think its anything to do with me but something below in dbus/glib land -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/738051
[16:53] <kenvandine> ronoc, i am reasonably sure i-s-service never crashed
[16:53] <kenvandine> i think the pid was the same
[16:53] <ronoc> cool
[16:53] <kenvandine> and no crash file for pulse :/
[16:53] <kenvandine> just went away
[16:54] <ronoc> thats a bit crap, i had noticed that before and was monitoring my service at the time, was sure it was not me by banshee doing something irregular
[16:55] <ronoc> kenvandine, they plan to release 0.9.6 for natty
[16:55] <kenvandine> ok
[16:55] <kenvandine> ronoc, 0.6.5 uploaded
[16:57] <didrocks> gord: enter in the text entry select the first entry result normally, isn't it?
[16:59] <ronoc> kenvandine, thanks
[16:59] <gord> didrocks, yeah it should launch "whatever makes sense", normally the first entry but i can imagine other places types doing different things. - were we just relying on a bug before? ie that the first entry in the results was getting keyboard focus when it shouldn't? ;)
[16:59] <didrocks> gord: yeah, it was getting focus and that's how alt + F2 was working then :)
[17:00] <gord> didrocks, okay let me take a look at doing it properly then :)
[17:00] <didrocks> gord: thanks :)
[17:00] <jono> have you guys experienced the Launcher just sometimes not autohiding when a window is maximized?
[17:00] <jono> e.g. xchat is maximized now and it won't go away
[17:01] <jono> weird - I just moved the Launcher up and down (scrolled it) and now it goes away
[17:05] <hyperair> ronoc: pong
[17:05] <didrocks> jono: there are some false positive (nux not giving leave event), still no reproducible test case to trigger it reliably and see what's wrong
[17:05] <ronoc> hyperair, hey just wondering when exactly 1.9.6 will hit natty
[17:06] <hyperair> ronoc: upstream's due to release any time now. and it'll hit natty within 2-3 days after that. check #banshee's topic =)
[17:07] <ronoc> hyperair, okay will do, thanks
[17:07] <ronoc> hyperair, oh yeah 0.6.5 of indicator-sound has a fix for that bug you filed
[17:07] <hyperair> ronoc: ooh nice.
[17:07] <jono> didrocks, right
[17:08] <jono> it seems the fix when it sticks like that is to scroll the Launcher
[17:08] <jono> not sure if that helps
[17:08] <stefano-palazzo_> mh.. With firefox maximised, and two app-tabs on the left, try swapping their position. The launcher makes it almost impossible. Is there a bug report about this?
[17:08] <didrocks> jono: no, you are triggering the missing leave event with that. If you have a reproducible way to block it, that would help us to see in which case nux isn't sending it
[17:08] <ronoc> hyperair, I basically had to put in a 1 second timeout after the mpris interface is raised inorder for banshee to react to the mpris command
[17:09] <jono> didrocks, no worries, I will see if I can reproduce it
[17:09] <ronoc> it would be ideal if the player could respond the second it raises its mpris interface
[17:09] <lamalex> jcastro, can I get a +/- https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/739000
[17:10] <jcastro> lamalex: that's a dupe, I can find it
[17:12] <jcastro> lamalex: that's notify-osd being bad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/notify-osd/+bug/331369
[17:13] <lamalex> ahh
[17:13] <lamalex> ok
[17:13] <lamalex> can you confirm this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/739017
[17:13] <jcastro> lamalex: any help getting that bug on the right radar would be appreciated
[17:14] <lamalex> i guess that's a mirco issue?
[17:14] <lamalex> MacSlow, ^^^
[17:14] <lamalex> i mean where /should/ notifications show
[17:14] <lamalex> below indicators?
[17:14] <jcastro> lamalex: wasn't this just fixed? the multiple grid setting
[17:14] <lamalex> jcastro, beats me
[17:15] <jcastro> lamalex: I am pretty sure it was fixed, but it's not released yet so I'll just confirm it
[17:16] <lamalex> i should go back to dual monitor
[17:16] <lamalex> I need to get a stand for my secondary monitor though since I work standing up now
[17:16] <lamalex> or clear off some space on my dresser next to  my laptop
[17:16]  * lamalex needs to clean his room very badly
[17:17] <jcastro> lamalex: neil says I should have a top panel this week so I can bring the appmenu back
[17:17] <jcastro> because other than that I had to mouse 54 miles to get to the menu
[17:19] <lamalex> a top panel on the 2nd display?
[17:21] <ronoc> kenvandine, the fact that banshee 0.9.6 won't hit natty for another 2-3 days means that this desktop id change will not be in in time for beta freeze (i.e. tonight)
[17:21] <kenvandine> right
[17:21] <ronoc> kenvandine, so I better roll back some of those changes to accommodate this change
[17:22] <ronoc> okay and then distro patch after we have the new banshee
[17:28] <stefano-palazzo_> kenvandine, are there plans to make progress and count properties available on ".place" launcher items?
[17:28] <kenvandine> not sure how that would work
[17:28] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ^^
[17:33] <tedg> cyphermox, Could you look at this please?  https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/libappindicator/lp708118v2/+merge/54570
[17:41] <ronoc> kenvandine, new release there -> https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/third/0.6.5
[17:41] <ronoc> 0.6.5.1
[17:42] <kenvandine> ronoc, thx
[17:42] <ronoc> kenvandine, with this release you should notice just for banshee in the menu the play buttons will be exposed
[17:43] <ronoc> this will allow you to start the player by pressing the play button, it *should* when started drop into play mode
[17:43] <ronoc> kenvandine, but banshee like rb can sometimes be completely unresponsive just after starting up
[17:51]  * ronoc takes a little break
[17:51] <ronoc> kenvandine, i'll be back in a bit to see how that tarball went
[17:51] <kenvandine> ok
[17:58] <gord> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/place-activation-on-return/+merge/54574 <-- a present just for you :)
[18:04] <didrocks> gord: excellent, approved!
[18:13] <kenvandine> cando_, can you file a bug against indicator-me package for adding emesene support?
[18:13] <apinheiro> gord, didrocks with this change, I guess that after a search, it will be activated the first item if you don't select a specific one
[18:13] <apinheiro> right?
[18:13] <gord> apinheiro, right
[18:13] <kenvandine> cando_, something i can use to get the release team to approve for a ffe
[18:13] <apinheiro> gord, good
[18:13] <jcastro> lamalex: I knew I wasn't crazy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-March/009974.html
[18:14] <cando_> kenvandine, sure
[18:14] <apinheiro> gord, btw, I have just found this issue
[18:14] <apinheiro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/741158
[18:14] <kenvandine> cando_, thx
[18:14] <apinheiro> not sure if you already knew that
[18:14] <lamalex> wait waht?
[18:14] <lamalex> jcastro, what's that thing?
[18:15] <gord> apinheiro, not seen that before, but looks like a race
[18:16] <apinheiro> gord, probably, as this doesn't happens 100% of the times
[18:16] <apinheiro> anyway, in my case, most of the times
[18:18] <MacSlow> lamalex, no clue there atm
[18:21] <cando_> kenvandine, should i link my branch to the bug report?
[18:21] <kenvandine> cando_, yes please
[18:21] <cando_> ok
[18:26] <lamalex> didrocks, do you know the envvar to enable verbose building for debuild?
[18:27] <didrocks> lamalex: you have to do: "make VERBOSE=1" with cmake IIRC
[18:27] <lamalex> didrocks, not for unity just in general
[18:28] <didrocks> lamalex: oh, if the package is using dh7
[18:28] <didrocks> it's DH_VERBOSE=1
[18:28] <lamalex> thats it
[18:28] <lamalex> thanks
[18:28] <didrocks> yw :)
[18:28] <lamalex> didrocks, what if you're using a different version
[18:29] <didrocks> lamalex: it's already verbose in the sense you see which dh_* commands are called
[18:29] <lamalex> ah
[18:29] <lamalex> thanks
[18:29] <lamalex> DH_VERBOSE was it anyway
[18:29] <lamalex> my friend Adam says thank you
[18:30] <didrocks> yw ;)
[18:41] <ronoc> kenvandine, any luck with that?
[18:41] <kenvandine> ronoc, yeah, uploaded
[18:41] <ronoc> oh excellent thanks kenvandine
[19:04] <nhaines> tedg: regarding bug 703555, are thechanges you made to libindicator going to prevent the rollover fadeout from activating when there are no menus for the current window?
[19:05] <tedg> nhaines, No, the changes in libindicator just provide the framework for indicators to know where they are.  So indicator-appmenu can hide the stubs when it's shown in Unity but not in the applet.
[19:06] <nhaines> tedg: ah, thanks.  My bug 740519 was marked as a duplicate, but if that's the case then the bug is not fixed in Unity.
[19:07] <tedg> nhaines, No, it's just one of the bug tasks on the bug.  That bug has quite the collection :-)
[19:07] <nhaines> (in the case that the bug is truly a duplicate, I mean.)
[19:07] <nhaines> tedg: yes, it does.  :)  I was just pondering whether to change the bug status for Unity.  :)
[19:42] <zniavre> good evening
[19:44] <AndreaAzzarone> QUESTION: why we have Unity MT Grab Handler?
[19:44] <zniavre> the menu button on top left to find applications (i do not know the name sorry) there is a "shortcut" button when clicking on it the foreground is white as the background so it's unreadable
[19:44] <oubiwann> njpatel, DBO ^^^ (MT Grab Handler)
[19:44] <oubiwann> AndreaAzzarone: they might be too busy right now...
[19:44] <DBO> AndreaAzzarone, because it draws grab handles (you'll see) that are super awesome
[19:45] <DBO> unfortunately they dont work *yet*
[19:45] <DBO> thats what I am fixing right now
[19:45] <oubiwann> DBO: rock on!
[19:45] <njpatel> zniavre, do you have a screenshot?
[19:45] <zniavre> i can do it wait a minute please
[19:46] <zniavre> njpatel, http://imgur.com/MQO70.png
[19:46] <zniavre> unity-2d *
[19:47] <njpatel> zniavre, oh, unity-2d, you need florian, but he's not around :/
[19:47] <AndreaAzzarone> DBO, with me works! :)
[19:47] <njpatel> zniavre, can you file a bug here please and attach the screenshot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d
[19:47] <DBO> AndreaAzzarone, well you can press the shortcut buttons to make them work. I am making them work with touch devices
[19:48] <zniavre> njpatel,  for sure thank you
[19:48] <njpatel> thanks!
[19:48] <AndreaAzzarone> ok thanks! This is what i wanted to know! :)
[19:49] <zniavre> njpatel,  just for the title (im not english speaker)  what should it be please ?
[19:49] <njpatel> zniavre, "White box in dash home screen"
[19:50] <DBO> jaytaoko, the blur behind on the dash only works where no widget is painted over that part of the dash
[19:50] <DBO> jaytaoko, didn't notice that until now
[19:50] <DBO> sorry :/
[19:50] <njpatel> DBO, yeah, there is a bug filed for that
[19:50] <DBO> he asked me earlier if it was working for me
[19:50] <DBO> I said yes
[19:50] <njpatel> Ah
[19:50] <njpatel> it's a weird paint background thing
[19:50] <DBO> yeah
[19:50] <DBO> i see whats going on
[19:50] <njpatel> I think it's because the basewindow is transparent
[19:51] <DBO> ?
[19:51] <DBO> what?
[19:51] <njpatel> wait, that doesn't make sense
[19:51] <DBO> no
[19:51] <njpatel> it did in my head though
[19:51] <DBO> its the two stage paint system
[19:51] <njpatel> which is what matters
[19:51] <DBO> stage 1 has the blur
[19:51] <DBO> stage 2 doesn't
[19:51] <njpatel> The texture should still be valid, no, it's pushed to the PaintLayer
[19:51] <njpatel> ?
[19:52] <DBO> i dont think so
[19:52] <DBO> i have to look
[19:53] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/741218
[19:53] <DBO> njpatel, am I suppose to be getting menus all the time now?
[19:53] <njpatel> DBO, what do you mean?
[19:53] <DBO> my global menu is always visible
[19:53] <DBO> which I must admit is nice
[19:53] <njpatel> no, your not
[19:54] <njpatel> DBO, it's meant to show when you have Alt pressed or hover
[19:54] <DBO> AH
[19:54] <DBO> it got stuck
[19:54] <njpatel> heh
[19:54] <DBO> we have a passive grab on alt?
[19:54] <njpatel> nope,it comes form the app
[19:54] <DBO> okay you need to reset that state when the current app changes then
[19:58] <DBO> njpatel, can we add kinetics into the launcher push off after all this
[19:58] <DBO> without it, it feels kinda wet...
[20:20] <robtaylor> didrocks: figured it our
[20:20] <robtaylor> *out
[20:20] <didrocks> robtaylor: really?
[20:20] <didrocks> what was it?
[20:20] <robtaylor> didrocks: restarting only occurs when gnome-session launches compiz
[20:20] <robtaylor> didrocks: it won't restart if you manually launch it
[20:21] <didrocks> robtaylor: hum, right, not surprized by that :)
[20:21] <robtaylor> didrocks: so, shall we consider the bug fixed?
[20:21] <ronoc> DanRabbit, love the new icons thanks
[20:21] <didrocks> robtaylor: but even with that, killall compiz didn't respawn here
[20:21] <robtaylor> didrocks: hum, oh :/
[20:21] <didrocks> robtaylor: confirmed as well by seb128 this morning on a fresh guest session
[20:22] <robtaylor> didrocks: ok, i better dig further!
[20:22] <didrocks> good hunt :)
[20:23] <robtaylor> didrocks: ta!
[20:23] <robtaylor> didrocks: don't suppose you can remember where gdm picks up the gnome-session commandline from?
[20:24] <didrocks> robtaylor: it's in /usr/share/xsessions/
[20:24] <didrocks> robtaylor: you have desktop file here, each one corresponds to one session
[20:24] <robtaylor> didrocks: ah, thanks :)
[20:25]  * robtaylor has a memory like a seive nowadays :/
[20:48] <bdmurray> loicm: did you want bug 727873 to be a dupe of 685552?
[20:49] <loicm> bdmurray: yes!
[20:49] <kenvandine> tedg, do you have more releases coming?
[20:49] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah.
[20:49] <tedg> kenvandine, libappindicator and indicator-datetime.
[20:49] <kenvandine> ok
[20:50] <tedg> kenvandine, You got indicator-applet, libindicator and dbusmenu, right?
[20:50] <kenvandine> yup
[20:50] <kenvandine> done
[20:50] <tedg> I might go through and round out the version numbers on a couple.  But you shouldn't need those.
[20:50] <loicm> bdmurray: I actually tried to, but I get a launchpad error
[20:51] <loicm> bdmurray: every single time I try to do that
[20:51] <bdmurray> loicm: ah, okay yes I ran into that too with a different bug
[20:51] <bdmurray> loicm: its possible to do it with the API and I'll do that
[20:52] <loicm> bdmurray: thanks!
[20:53] <bdmurray> loicm: have you found most of the duplicates of that or is there something I could look in stacktraces for?
[20:53] <tedg> kenvandine, I forgot to put bug 729150 in the changelog entry (should have both bugs) for libappindicator, could you do that when you merge please?
[20:55] <loicm> bdmurray: I track 685552 since a long time, so I think I've got most of the duplicates, and there's a lot... but I may have missed some of them
[20:57] <kenvandine> tedg, ok
[20:59] <kenvandine> tedg, did you propose that one yet?
[20:59] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah
[20:59] <tedg> kenvandine, It might still be generating the diff
[20:59] <kenvandine> ok
[21:14] <robtaylor> didrocks: so, assuming i manage to produce a patch or two to fix this bug tonight, what's the best plan for getting it in the build tomorrow?
[21:15] <didrocks> robtaylor: just ping me, I'm still there for quite some hours :)
[21:15] <didrocks> robtaylor: tonight is beta freeze, it will be too late tomorrow for beta
[21:15] <didrocks> (without huge beer promess to the release team ;))
[21:16] <robtaylor> didrocks: ah, ok :)
[21:16]  * robtaylor works extra hard
[21:27] <Muscovy> x
[21:51] <robtaylor> didrocks: done!
[21:51] <didrocks> robtaylor: excellent, what was it?
[21:52] <robtaylor> didrocks: mainly, compiz needing to pick up DESKTOP_SESSION_ID from the environment and use then when creating the XSMP connection
[21:52] <robtaylor> because it wasn't, gnome-session couldn't associate it with the app it started
[21:52] <didrocks> robtaylor: hum, but this variable is deprecated? isn't it?
[21:52] <robtaylor> didrocks: https://github.com/robtaylor/compiz/commits/robsfixes
[21:53] <robtaylor> didrocks: it is? hmm, I've no idea how the association is supposed to happen otherwise
[21:54] <robtaylor> didrocks: i just found http://www.mail-archive.com/lucid-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00814.html =)
[21:55] <robtaylor> didrocks: tbh, it probably is best to do a dbus protocol implementation, but the reality is is that almost noone has actually adopted that
[21:55] <didrocks> robtaylor: DESKTOP_SESSION_ID or DESKTOP_AUTOSTART_ID ?
[21:55] <robtaylor> so....
[21:56] <didrocks> robtaylor: right, just try to keep this simple :)
[21:56] <robtaylor> didrocks: oh, sorry, my typo - DESKTOP_AUTOSTART_ID
[21:56] <didrocks> robtaylor: so you confirm that with the 2.32 gnome-session and you killall compiz and it respawn?
[21:56] <robtaylor> didrocks: yep, only restarts on a crash, by design
[21:57] <robtaylor> didrocks: so, you need to kill -SIGILL or so to test it
[21:57] <robtaylor> didrocks: hum, i think i better rewrite my commit message..
[21:57] <didrocks> robtaylor: sure, will test this then ;)
[21:57] <didrocks> robtaylor: hum, github doesn't allow to download the diff?
[21:58] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah, for compiz ;)
[21:58] <didrocks> (as we will just care for a distro patch for now)
[21:58] <didrocks> as*
[21:58] <robtaylor> didrocks: one moment
[21:59] <didrocks> robtaylor: if you can generate a git format-patch and pastebinit somewhere, that will be awesome :)
[22:00] <robtaylor> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584513/
[22:01] <Daekdroom> appmenu is still losing my application menus randomly =/
[22:01] <didrocks> robtaylor: excellent, starting to build it :)
[22:01] <robtaylor> didrocks: rock!
[22:02] <robtaylor> didrocks: checking out http://live.gnome.org/SessionManagement/GnomeSession#A1._Launch it looks like this is the correct behaviour, not deprecated
[22:08] <didrocks> robtaylor: ok, thanks ;)
[22:08] <didrocks> robtaylor: can you ensure sam get the patch as well?
[22:08] <didrocks> so that it can be committed upstream
[22:10] <robtaylor> didrocks: will do. let me know that it works for you!
[22:10] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah, building, talking a break meanwhile :)
[22:10] <robtaylor> smspillaz: https://github.com/robtaylor/compiz/commit/409ae63adb021165a5a4258573270047ecef6429
[22:11] <robtaylor> didrocks: enjoy, it's well earned :)
[22:11] <robtaylor> I might get a beer out of the fridge to celebrate..
[22:11] <robtaylor> amazing how much work went into so few lines *sigh*
[22:12] <didrocks> :)
[22:12] <didrocks> yeah \o/
[22:12] <didrocks> congrats
[22:14] <robtaylor> didrocks: ah, it hardly feels worth congrats =)
[22:16] <robtaylor> well, at least I now know more about session managment and gnome-session than I ever wanted to know ;)
[22:20] <kenvandine> tedg, are you done?
[22:21] <tedg> kenvandine, Never!
[22:21] <tedg> ;)
[22:22] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah, I think of everything important.
[22:22] <tedg> kenvandine, indicator-application was just a version bump.
[22:22] <tedg> kenvandine, Going through and trying to clean some of those up.
[22:22] <kenvandine> uploaded already
[22:24] <robtaylor> didrocks: tell you what would be awesome, if there was a place on launchpad to put nuggets of learning. I might subvert Answers as somewhere to put all the tricks i found in debugging session startup
[22:25] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah, wiki are bad for that, but some can of ask.ubuntu.com is nice (but you have to ask the question and answer yourself ;))
[22:25] <robtaylor> didrocks: *nod*
[22:26] <didrocks> ok, so a compiz build == a shower time :)
[22:28] <robtaylor> didrocks: heh
[22:29] <robtaylor> didrocks: oh, i have a bunch of extra debug statments i've added to gnome-session. I might see if upstream want them, but in the meantime, think it's worth putting in the ubuntu packaging?
[22:35] <didrocks> robtaylor: I would prefer avoiding adding them now
[22:35] <didrocks> robtaylor: after maybe if we see some issues, yeah, can be useful :)
[22:36] <didrocks> robtaylor: btw, the fix worked on sigsegv! :)
[22:36] <didrocks> guest session is just making my host swapping though :/
[22:36] <RAOF> Yay!  Although alt-tab still kills compiz, at least the session respawns it now :)
[22:37] <didrocks> robtaylor: just pushed your compiz fix
[22:38] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, and then, you can make it crash again ;)
[22:38] <didrocks> RAOF: like the punching ball game? ;)
[22:38] <didrocks> RAOF: more seriously, what's this alttab crash?
[22:40] <robtaylor> didrocks: AWESOME! :)
[22:41] <RAOF> didrocks: There's at least one launchpad bug on it; I'll hunt it down if you ilke.
[22:42] <didrocks> RAOF: is it still the case now that I removed mipmapping by default?
[22:42] <RAOF> No.  It's not a driver problem.
[22:42] <RAOF> (Oh, did you remove mipmapping?)
[22:42] <didrocks> RAOF: ok, it rings a bell with a staticswitcher issue, but I was thinking removing mipmapping will also fix this
[22:43] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, for staticswitcher, it's off by default now
[22:43] <RAOF> There seem to be about 3 separate ways alt-tab can cause a crash in a g_closure
[22:43] <didrocks> RAOF: no dup?
[22:43] <didrocks> not popular for a compiz bug crash TBH :)
[22:43] <RAOF> Three different backtraces; one of which was in free() :)
[22:44] <didrocks> of course, we always double free, just to keep a certain standard of cleanage :)
[22:56] <robtaylor> RAOF: hmm, that sounds an interesting bug!
[22:56] <robtaylor> RAOF: got backtracces in the report?
[22:58] <RAOF> robtaylor: once I find it! :)
[23:00] <robtaylor> RAOF: that's the hard bit, for sure!
[23:40] <RAOF> Of course, now that I've said that I can no longer find the bug nor can I actually get compiz to crash with alt-tab :/
[23:42] <Daekdroom> I haven't been crashing compiz using alt+tab for quite awhile.
[23:43] <RAOF> Ah.  *there* it goes!
[23:50] <RAOF> Grr, but no apport.