| c2tarun | why is LP directing me to wiki page of how to report a bug when I am clicking on report a bug? | 03:35 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | c2tarun: Because you're supposed to read the wiki page and follow it's instructions to report the bug. | 03:37 |
| c2tarun | ScottK: I filed many bugs earlier, why now? | 03:37 |
| ScottK | No idea. I think it may be different on a per package basis. | 03:38 |
| c2tarun | thats is possible. | 03:38 |
| bambee | morning | 07:38 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| kunal | Riddell: hello | 09:30 |
| Riddell | hi kunal | 09:47 |
| kunal | Riddell: i was trying compling kdebase-workspace from mainline i am gettting the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/584157/ | 09:47 |
| Riddell | kunal: are you running natty? | 09:50 |
| kunal | Riddell: yes | 09:50 |
| Riddell | kunal: try upgrading cmake | 10:03 |
| Riddell | you need version 2.8.3-3ubuntu5 | 10:04 |
| kunal | Riddell: ok | 10:04 |
| kunal | Riddell: i'll try with the new one | 10:04 |
| kunal | Riddell: thanks | 10:04 |
| kunal | Riddell: already using 2.8.3-3ubuntu5 | 10:53 |
| Riddell | kunal: and you're compiling from git? | 10:54 |
| kunal | Riddell: yes | 10:55 |
| kunal | Riddell: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace | 10:55 |
| Riddell | kunal: works for me, make sure you don't have a cmake cache | 10:57 |
| kunal | Riddell: i am using the pbuilder, cmake is installed on very build | 10:59 |
| Riddell | kunal: where are you getting your packaging from? | 11:02 |
| Riddell | kunal: what architecture? | 11:02 |
| kunal | Riddell: i386 | 11:04 |
| kunal | Riddell: using mainline code and debian folder from ubuntu archive (minus patches) | 11:04 |
| Riddell | fregl: ooh ooh I got qt-at-spi working! | 11:14 |
| Riddell | it speaks! | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: qt does at-spi now? | 11:22 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: twice as good, it does at-spi2! | 11:24 |
| apachelogger | woohooo | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | accessibility here we come | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | actually also ... automated testing here we come | 11:25 |
| * apachelogger pokes txwikinger | 11:25 | |
| Riddell | alas I can't get recorditnow to capture sound | 11:33 |
| Tm_T | does it use pulseaudio? I cannot get pulsaudio to have any input, but alsa seems to pick up sounds from microphone just fine | 11:34 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://verb3k.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/how-to-do-proper-screencasts-on-linux/ | 11:34 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: ? | 12:36 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Does https://blog.torproject.org/blog/detecting-certificate-authority-compromises-and-web-browser-collusion affect rekonq? I'd be almost certain it does and we ought to get fixes out via -security. | 13:03 |
| allee | Anyone working on revived akonadi startup error dialog (nepomuk search service not registered) ? Doesn't help akonadi's reputation ;) | 13:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^^ also probably affects Konqueror and maybe the KDE SSL cert bundle. | 13:04 |
| debfx | allee: which version of akonadi do you have installed? | 13:05 |
| allee | debfx: 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 natty upgraded today + freshly created test user | 13:06 |
| allee | debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584270 | 13:08 |
| ScottK | debfx: My debconf is no longer purple. Thank you for working on that. | 13:11 |
| debfx | allee: that would be bug #740488 | 13:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 740488 in akonadi (Ubuntu Natty) "Akonadi complains about duplicated agent identifiers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740488 | 13:12 |
| debfx | ScottK: shouldn't that be fixed at a lower layer? e.g. openssl | 13:19 |
| ScottK | debfx: No. Each browser has it's own set of CAs that it trusts. If we had a well integrated security model for SSL it would, but we don't. | 13:20 |
| ScottK | Plus KDE has one and the system has one and I think apache has one, etc. | 13:20 |
| debfx | ScottK: yeah but this is about blacklisting specific certificates not about trusting CAs | 13:21 |
| ScottK | debfx: Yes, but I think it's the same spots you have to touch. | 13:22 |
| debfx | ScottK: I'm sure KDE doesn't validate the certificates itself but uses Qt or openssl directly | 13:29 |
| ScottK | debfx: OK, but I don't know if where the revocations are stored. Something in the rekonq/KDE/Qt/OpenSSL chain needs updating. | 13:31 |
| fregl | Riddell: now that makes me happy to hear :) | 13:33 |
| fregl | it still needs tons of bugfixes... but a start it is | 13:33 |
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| ScottK | shadeslayer: http://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/03/18/revocation.html <- Wonder how rekonq does? | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: looking at it :) | 13:44 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Thanks. | 13:45 |
| cmagina | when did rekonq decide that you can only have one window open? kinda makes it useless for activity integration | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | ctrl + n seems to work fine, but it appears that there is not a "new window" item in the menu | 14:27 |
| cmagina | yeah, i noticed that, plus if you call rekonq from krunner, the commandline, etc. it complains that its already running instead of just firing up a new window | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: your fb pic looks like this http://images.whatport80.com/images/thumb/c/cf/Trollface.jpg/400px-Trollface.jpg | 14:50 |
| * txwikinger is going outside shovelling snow for the second time this morning | 14:52 | |
| shadeslayer | ooh | 14:52 |
| shadeslayer | txwikinger: snow is awesome | 14:52 |
| txwikinger | shadeslayer: Yeah.. Sunday the Spring started :) | 14:52 |
| txwikinger | We got 30cm of snow already today | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: from reading the first tor blog, i am quite certain rekonq has it | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | will try and reproduce | 14:53 |
| ScottK | OK. | 14:53 |
| txwikinger | ScottK: Any snow down there? | 14:53 |
| ScottK | It looks like an important one to fix. | 14:53 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: Nope. I'm pretty sure it's all melted now. | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 14:54 |
| txwikinger | Hehe.. not here | 14:54 |
| ScottK | (we had some big piles from plowing that lasted a suprisingly long time this year) | 14:54 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: You picked Canada, so you know who to blame. | 14:54 |
| shadeslayer | seeing how chromium hard codes the CRL's ... i think we might have to do the same | 14:54 |
| txwikinger | Well... we still had a couple of patches before last night when the big blizzard came | 14:54 |
| txwikinger | Now... we have a total winter landscape again | 14:55 |
| ScottK | I was out without a jacket yesterday and it was quite comfortable. | 14:55 |
| txwikinger | Maximum we had so far was 12C | 14:55 |
| txwikinger | And Phil was not very accurate this year :D | 14:56 |
| allee | debfx: confirmed. thx. setting XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh without duplicate /usr/share fixes the missing nepomuk search not registered too. Strange but true | 15:04 |
| debfx | allee: I don't think that both issues are related | 15:06 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Once you find out, please let mdeslaur in #ubuntu-hardened know what you found. | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 15:07 |
| allee | debfx: that was my first thought too. My test was: set XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh, stop akonadi, rm .local/share/akonadi/*error*, logout with kmail running, login -> now d-bus error anymore | 15:08 |
| allee | debfx: I have to correct me. After closing all apps except one konsole and one kmail. I always get the nepomuk-search-not-dbus-registered (For 5 tries once with, once without /usr/share duplicate in XDG_DATA_DIR) | 15:21 |
| allee | ^^ so no solution yet for natty :( I'll add my findings to launchpad, k.b.o | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: it happen | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | s | 15:22 |
| txwikinger | ScottK: Well there are different opinions about what I picked | 15:25 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: what automatic testing | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do we have the gccgo compiler in our packages? | 15:30 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: now that qt has grown itself support for at-spi2 we can do automatic QA on the GUI and prevent regressions there :D | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | something to pursue upstream I suppose | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: the what? | 15:46 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: cool | 15:46 |
| txwikinger | When I have some time I need to explore that | 15:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: google go ... some C++ and Python thing | 15:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://code.google.com/p/go/ | 15:47 |
| txwikinger | So.. when is unity moving to Qt? | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I know, but I did not know that gcc supported go | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | like at all | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: when someone ports compiz to Qt | 15:48 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: there's this module of sorts that you can enable when compiling gcc it self | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | unless you are talking about unity-2d which is alrady there and IMHO biased opinion actually works better than unity | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | -O | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: well, talk to doko | 15:48 |
| shadeslayer | wokay | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | go is a rather ugly language though | 15:49 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: well.. will compiz be part of wayland or whatever it is called | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | wayland is a display server | 15:52 |
| Quintasan | \o | 15:52 |
| apachelogger | compositors are not part of the server | 15:52 |
| txwikinger | right | 15:52 |
| txwikinger | Well... how is KDE doing the compiz stuff? | 15:53 |
| txwikinger | if this is already part of KDE maybe it should be moved to Qt instead | 15:53 |
| Quintasan | It is not? I think KDE has it's own composition manager | 15:53 |
| Quintasan | >using Compiz with KDE | 15:53 |
| Quintasan | :/ | 15:53 |
| txwikinger | Well.. it does a lot of the same stuff | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | kwin is the compositor | 15:54 |
| txwikinger | right .. so what is doing the same thing for unity? metacity> | 15:54 |
| txwikinger | ? | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | compiz | 15:54 |
| txwikinger | compiz is used instead of metacity? | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | unity ~= plasma, compiz ~= kwin | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: metacity is the crapz | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: btw why am i talking to doko? | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | at any rate for what unity tries to do | 15:55 |
| txwikinger | well.. metacity was the composition manager for Gnome, right? | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: he is doing the gcc stuff | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | ah okay | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: composit != window management :P | 15:56 |
| txwikinger | well.. ok..I give up trying to understand Gnome | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: metacity is the window manager of gnome, which later on grew some sort of compisiting features | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | just like kwin is the window manager of kde and later also grew some sort of compisiting (though superior to metacity I am lead to understand) | 15:56 |
| txwikinger | what is KDE's window manager? | 15:56 |
| txwikinger | ah ok | 15:56 |
| Quintasan | KWin | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | compiz OTOH is a sort of new window manager which really was made around the compositing from start on | 15:57 |
| txwikinger | so kwin is the windows and composition manager | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | meaning while both kwin and metacity probably provide better window management in general, compiz probably is superior in the compositing area | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | which leads to the why compiz-and-not-metacity | 15:57 |
| maco | there's also xcompmgr which can let you have compositing regardless of wm. ive used it with xmonad | 15:57 |
| txwikinger | well.. so Qt can run on compiz then? | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | unity does not put a lot of focus on old window management | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | instead more on visual apeal | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | for which you need compositing these days | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | for which you need good hardware | 15:58 |
| txwikinger | well...on mobile devices is not a lot of real estate for windows anyway | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | meaning compiz is the better choice for unity and the reason it uses it | 15:59 |
| bambee | I uploaded something to revu 1 hour ago and... there is nothing... wtf ? o_O | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | bambee: revu will be slow | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | txwikinger: Qt does not need any of those | 15:59 |
| Riddell | bambee: do you have permissions to upload to revu? | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | Qt interacts with X11 directly | 15:59 |
| txwikinger | without kwin? | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | the window manager does just that, manage windows | 16:00 |
| bambee | Riddell: you're reviewing my package so yes | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | the actual client or whatever they call it is Qt | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | or any other toolkit | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | this is the reason you can run any toolkit with any window manager on any desktop etc. | 16:01 |
| Riddell | bambee: good point | 16:01 |
| txwikinger | well.. how is Qt doing the compositing then | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | it does not | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | the compositor does that | 16:01 |
| txwikinger | well..but Qt windows do | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | no | 16:02 |
| txwikinger | if so.. it cannot do directly X | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | it is complicated... | 16:02 |
| txwikinger | haha | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | simply put the compositor has control over the windows, and can manipulate them | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | that does not mean the compositor knows about the toolkit that draws on the window | 16:03 |
| apachelogger | nor that the toolkit knows about the compositor | 16:03 |
| txwikinger | right it just takes the whole frame like it i | 16:03 |
| txwikinger | is | 16:03 |
| bambee | Riddell: I use my second gpg key... (created this morning), probably revu does not like it... | 16:04 |
| * txwikinger thinks the blizzard will not leave before tomorrow | 16:04 | |
| apachelogger | compositing happens in X ... goes a bit like Qt draws window at position 100,50, Qt draws button at position 0,0 within that window, compositor tells X to make the window transparent ... X outputs graphics accordingly | 16:04 |
| Riddell | bambee: ah well yes most likely | 16:05 |
| bambee | mhhh... strange... my second key is ont lp... | 16:05 |
| bambee | s/ont/on/ | 16:05 |
| kubotu | bambee meant: "mhhh... strange... my second key is on lp..." | 16:05 |
| txwikinger | apachelogger: Well..wenn I make a Qt app then Qt does only the stuff inside the frame, kwin does the decorator and everything, right? | 16:05 |
| apachelogger | yes | 16:06 |
| Riddell | bambee: I've no idea how often revu will sync its keys, maybe check on #ubuntu-motu, siretart is good candidate I think | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | once a day I believe | 16:07 |
| bambee | Riddell: ok | 16:07 |
| * txwikinger finally figured out what stole all of his space in /home | 16:08 | |
| Riddell | txwikinger: beasties? | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer | i bet it's the xsession erros file! :D | 16:13 |
| debfx | Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :( | 16:14 |
| Riddell | debfx: sounds like a bug in colibri to me | 16:16 |
| bambee | Riddell: apparently this is the cronjob which did not registered my key yet... | 16:17 |
| debfx | maybe, I haven't tested it with the kde notificattion daemon | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: weird issue in natty, i turned off the bluetooth, but the bluetooth light stays on | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | turned off bluetooth from bluedevil that is | 16:19 |
| Quintasan | hey, anyone know how many bits are used to store a kanji? | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | a.k.a the Japanese thingies | 16:21 |
| bambee | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584364/ <--- the debdiff :) | 16:21 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: it depends on the encoding you are using | 16:22 |
| Quintasan | UTF-8 | 16:22 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: two or three | 16:22 |
| Quintasan | I see, thanks Riddell | 16:22 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: kanji is a drink here in india | 16:24 |
| Quintasan | lol | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: now read your question with that in mind :P | 16:25 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: actually it might be more, don't quote me | 16:25 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: what about beasties? | 16:25 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: did they take up space in your /home ? | 16:26 |
| txwikinger | ah.. no.. it was my not used anymore dimap directory for kmail | 16:26 |
| txwikinger | about 30G or so | 16:27 |
| === cmagina is now known as cmagina-lunch | ||
| Riddell | bambee: libmygpo-qt looking lovely now | 16:32 |
| Riddell | bambee: next we have to work out what to do with it | 16:32 |
| Riddell | bambee: it'll need a FFe to get it into the archive | 16:32 |
| Riddell | bambee: we should also rebuild amarok in kubuntu-ppa/beta against it | 16:32 |
| bambee | what's a FFe ? | 16:33 |
| txwikinger | Feature Freeze Exemption | 16:33 |
| tsimpson | !ffe | 16:33 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 16:33 |
| bambee | aaahh | 16:33 |
| bambee | that | 16:33 |
| debfx | Riddell: same thing with the plasma notifications | 16:34 |
| Riddell | debfx: what what? | 16:34 |
| debfx | <debfx> Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :( | 16:36 |
| debfx | the same thing happens when using the default plasma notifications | 16:36 |
| Riddell | debfx: you get a notification before plasma is up? | 16:37 |
| bambee | Riddell: we've just to put libmygpo-qt1 in amarok dependencies , right ? | 16:38 |
| Riddell | bambee: the package needs to be in the PPA for natty and maverik | 16:38 |
| Riddell | then add the -dev to amarok's build-depends, build it locally and check for new files, check it works, upload to PPA | 16:39 |
| debfx | Riddell: yes, maybe the networkmanagement daemon emits the notifications | 16:40 |
| Riddell | debfx: I doubt network manager itself does but the plasmoid now does system connections so that might be part of it | 16:41 |
| Riddell | debfx: however it's an upstream issue so do report it there if you think it's a bug | 16:41 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 1 bugs http://goo.gl/23eui | Meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/qxgtbq7wg52rtedb | ||
| Riddell | steveire: meeting scheduling if you want to do you membership ^^ | 16:55 |
| steveire | Doesn't open in konqi :o | 16:55 |
| Riddell | err, really? | 16:55 |
| steveire | Not on whatever kubuntu I have | 16:56 |
| Riddell | hmm, that's a bit rubbish of khtml and/or doodle | 16:56 |
| Riddell | steveire: can I convince you of the merits of rekonq? :) | 16:56 |
| agateau | Riddell: when you have a minute, your packager opinion would be useful on bug #731702 | 16:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 731702 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "euca-add-user adds a new disabled user, and there is no visible way to enable it " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731702 | 16:56 |
| agateau | Riddell: err not that one | 16:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: #731302 | 16:57 |
| steveire | Yes, But for some reason it's not the default on my 10.10 ... | 16:57 |
| steveire | Probably some kde config thing I don't understand | 16:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: bug #731302 (triggering this bot is tricky) | 16:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 731302 in libdbusmenu-qt "mumble not integrated with global menu" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731302 | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: you need to start seeing semantics my friend | 16:59 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 16:59 |
| Riddell | steveire: default in the application menu or default when you click on a link in another application? | 16:59 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: being a bot is no excuse for not seeing semantics, in fact it makes it all the more expectable | 16:59 |
| === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina | ||
| steveire | When I use another app, and also it's in a submenu of the 'other broser' section of koni | 17:00 |
| steveire | konqi | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: as I pointed out before release... rekonq is not properly configured as default | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | if you got konqueror installed konqueror will override rekonq as default | 17:01 |
| Riddell | yes konqueror has an initial preference of 9 while rekonq I think doesn't set one at all | 17:01 |
| Riddell | which isn't an issue for new installs where we don't install konqueror by default | 17:02 |
| Riddell | but we should fix it | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that assumes konqueror does not get pulled in by anything | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | e.g. kamoso pulled in konqueror IIRC | 17:03 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 17:04 |
| Riddell | talking of kamoso, has anyone looked at that new bluedevil release? | 17:04 |
| Riddell | (curious chain of thought I know) | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck, jjesse: pingy | 17:07 |
| Riddell | agateau: commented | 17:08 |
| debfx | how do applications register themself in the kde default applications thingy? | 17:08 |
| agateau | Riddell: thanks | 17:08 |
| Riddell | debfx: which kde default applications thingy? | 17:09 |
| debfx | Riddell: the one in system settings | 17:09 |
| Riddell | debfx: there are several applications set there, they all work in separate ways | 17:09 |
| debfx | ok, how does the web browser registration work? | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | debfx: not at all? | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | at least as I recall | 17:11 |
| debfx | Riddell, agateau: recommending appmenu-qt means pulling in Qt | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | either you let kio/krun decide or you set an explicit app | 17:12 |
| Riddell | debfx: it has two options, one to hardcode a command to run and one to use the html mimetype | 17:12 |
| debfx | imho libqtgui4 should recommend appmenu-qt until ubuntu ships qt by default | 17:12 |
| Riddell | debfx: wouldn't that be a shame :) | 17:12 |
| debfx | :D | 17:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: The doodle poll is adjusted to dispaly in local time, right? | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | iirc yes ^^ | 17:46 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 17:46 |
| Riddell | ScottK: hmm, I don't know | 18:00 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I started it at 15:00UTC for each day, ends at 23:59UTC for each day | 18:01 |
| ScottK | OK. It displays in UTC then. | 18:01 |
| ScottK | I need to redo mine. | 18:01 |
| bambee | Riddell: pbuilder will not fail on launchpad if libmygpo-qt-dev is not found ? | 18:03 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: ^^^ It's UTC. | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: maybe it is localized if one is logged in | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | would make sense at least | 18:08 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No. I was logged in. | 18:08 |
| ScottK | (and my TZ was set in my account) | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | weird this doodle is | 18:08 |
| debfx | FAQ says you can choose whether or not you want to enable TZ support when creating a poll | 18:10 |
| ScottK | He must not have done that. | 18:20 |
| ScottK | I know we've had doodles in local time before. | 18:21 |
| bambee | build amarok with a core i7 is just a dream :D | 19:14 |
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