c2tarunwhy is LP directing me to wiki page of how to report a bug when I am clicking on report a bug?03:35
ScottKc2tarun: Because you're supposed to read the wiki page and follow it's instructions to report the bug.03:37
c2tarunScottK: I filed many bugs earlier, why now?03:37
ScottKNo idea.  I think it may be different on a per package basis.03:38
c2tarunthats is possible.03:38
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kunalRiddell: hello09:30
Riddellhi kunal 09:47
kunalRiddell: i was trying compling kdebase-workspace from mainline i am gettting the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/584157/09:47
Riddellkunal: are you running natty?09:50
kunalRiddell: yes09:50
Riddellkunal: try upgrading cmake10:03
Riddellyou need version 2.8.3-3ubuntu510:04
kunalRiddell: ok 10:04
kunalRiddell: i'll try with the new one10:04
kunalRiddell: thanks10:04
kunalRiddell: already using 2.8.3-3ubuntu510:53
Riddellkunal: and you're compiling from git?10:54
kunalRiddell: yes10:55
kunal Riddell: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace 10:55
Riddellkunal: works for me, make sure you don't have a cmake cache10:57
kunalRiddell: i am using the pbuilder, cmake is installed on very build10:59
Riddellkunal: where are you getting your packaging from?11:02
Riddellkunal: what architecture?11:02
kunalRiddell: i38611:04
kunalRiddell: using mainline code and debian folder from ubuntu archive (minus patches)11:04
Riddellfregl: ooh ooh I got qt-at-spi working!11:14
Riddellit speaks!11:14
apacheloggerRiddell: qt does at-spi now?11:22
Riddellapachelogger: twice as good, it does at-spi2!11:24
apacheloggeraccessibility here we come11:25
apacheloggeractually also ... automated testing here we come11:25
* apachelogger pokes txwikinger11:25
Riddellalas I can't get recorditnow to capture sound11:33
Tm_Tdoes it use pulseaudio? I cannot get pulsaudio to have any input, but alsa seems to pick up sounds from microphone just fine11:34
apacheloggerRiddell: http://verb3k.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/how-to-do-proper-screencasts-on-linux/11:34
txwikingerapachelogger: ?12:36
ScottKshadeslayer: Does https://blog.torproject.org/blog/detecting-certificate-authority-compromises-and-web-browser-collusion affect rekonq?  I'd be almost certain it does and we ought to get fixes out via -security.13:03
alleeAnyone working on revived akonadi startup error dialog (nepomuk search service not registered) ?   Doesn't help akonadi's reputation ;)13:04
ScottKRiddell: ^^^ also probably affects Konqueror and maybe the KDE SSL cert bundle.13:04
debfxallee: which version of akonadi do you have installed?13:05
alleedebfx: 1.5.1-0ubuntu1  natty upgraded today + freshly created test user13:06
alleedebfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58427013:08
ScottKdebfx: My debconf is no longer purple.  Thank you for working on that.13:11
debfxallee: that would be bug #74048813:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 740488 in akonadi (Ubuntu Natty) "Akonadi complains about duplicated agent identifiers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74048813:12
debfxScottK: shouldn't that be fixed at a lower layer? e.g. openssl13:19
ScottKdebfx: No.  Each browser has it's own set of CAs that it trusts.  If we had a well integrated security model for SSL it would, but we don't.13:20
ScottKPlus KDE has one and the system has one and I think apache has one, etc.13:20
debfxScottK: yeah but this is about blacklisting specific certificates not about trusting CAs13:21
ScottKdebfx: Yes, but I think it's the same spots you have to touch.13:22
debfxScottK: I'm sure KDE doesn't validate the certificates itself but uses Qt or openssl directly13:29
ScottKdebfx: OK, but I don't know if where the revocations are stored.  Something in the rekonq/KDE/Qt/OpenSSL chain needs updating.13:31
freglRiddell: now that makes me happy to hear :)13:33
freglit still needs tons of bugfixes... but a start it is13:33
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ScottKshadeslayer: http://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/03/18/revocation.html <- Wonder how rekonq does?13:42
shadeslayerScottK: looking at it :)13:44
ScottKshadeslayer: Thanks.13:45
cmaginawhen did rekonq decide that you can only have one window open?  kinda makes it useless for activity integration14:25
JontheEchidnactrl + n seems to work fine, but it appears that there is not a "new window" item in the menu14:27
cmaginayeah, i noticed that, plus if you call rekonq from krunner, the commandline, etc. it complains that its already running instead of just firing up a new window14:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: your fb pic looks like this http://images.whatport80.com/images/thumb/c/cf/Trollface.jpg/400px-Trollface.jpg14:50
* txwikinger is going outside shovelling snow for the second time this morning14:52
shadeslayertxwikinger: snow is awesome14:52
txwikingershadeslayer: Yeah.. Sunday the Spring started :)14:52
txwikingerWe got 30cm of snow already today14:53
shadeslayerScottK: from reading the first tor blog, i am quite certain rekonq has it14:53
shadeslayerwill try and reproduce14:53
txwikingerScottK: Any snow down there?14:53
ScottKIt looks like an important one to fix.14:53
ScottKtxwikinger: Nope.  I'm pretty sure it's all melted now.14:53
txwikingerHehe.. not here14:54
ScottK(we had some big piles from plowing that lasted a suprisingly long time this year)14:54
ScottKtxwikinger: You picked Canada, so you know who to blame.14:54
shadeslayerseeing how chromium hard codes the CRL's ... i think we might have to do the same14:54
txwikingerWell... we still had a couple of patches before last night when the big blizzard came14:54
txwikingerNow... we have a total winter landscape again14:55
ScottKI was out without a jacket yesterday and it was quite comfortable.14:55
txwikingerMaximum we had so far was 12C14:55
txwikingerAnd Phil was not very accurate this year :D14:56
alleedebfx: confirmed. thx. setting XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh without duplicate /usr/share fixes the missing nepomuk search not registered too.  Strange but true15:04
debfxallee: I don't think that both issues are related15:06
ScottKshadeslayer: Once you find out, please let mdeslaur in #ubuntu-hardened know what you found.15:06
alleedebfx: that was my first thought too. My test was: set XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh, stop akonadi, rm .local/share/akonadi/*error*, logout with kmail running, login  -> now d-bus error anymore15:08
alleedebfx: I have to correct me.  After closing all apps except  one konsole and one kmail.  I always get the nepomuk-search-not-dbus-registered (For 5 tries once with, once without /usr/share duplicate in XDG_DATA_DIR)15:21
allee^^ so no solution yet for natty :(   I'll add my findings to launchpad, k.b.o15:21
apacheloggershadeslayer: it happen15:22
txwikingerScottK: Well there are different opinions about what I picked15:25
txwikingerapachelogger: what automatic testing15:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: do we have the gccgo compiler in our packages?15:30
apacheloggertxwikinger: now that qt has grown itself support for at-spi2 we can do automatic QA on the GUI and prevent regressions there :D15:46
apacheloggersomething to pursue upstream I suppose15:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: the what?15:46
txwikingerapachelogger: cool15:46
txwikingerWhen I have some time I need to explore that15:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: google go ... some C++ and Python thing15:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://code.google.com/p/go/15:47
txwikingerSo.. when is unity moving to Qt?15:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: I know, but I did not know that gcc supported go15:47
apacheloggerlike at all15:47
apacheloggertxwikinger: when someone ports compiz to Qt15:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: there's this module of sorts that you can enable when compiling gcc it self15:48
apacheloggerunless you are talking about unity-2d which is alrady there and IMHO biased opinion actually works better than unity15:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: well, talk to doko15:48
apacheloggergo is a rather ugly language though15:49
txwikingerapachelogger: well.. will compiz be part of wayland or whatever it is called15:51
apacheloggerwayland is a display server15:52
apacheloggercompositors are not part of the server15:52
txwikingerWell... how is KDE doing the compiz stuff?15:53
txwikingerif this is already part of KDE maybe it should be moved to Qt instead15:53
QuintasanIt is not? I think KDE has it's own composition manager15:53
Quintasan>using Compiz with KDE15:53
txwikingerWell.. it does a lot of the same stuff15:54
apacheloggerkwin is the compositor15:54
txwikingerright .. so what is doing the same thing for unity? metacity>15:54
txwikingercompiz is used instead of metacity?15:55
apacheloggerunity ~= plasma, compiz ~= kwin15:55
apacheloggertxwikinger: metacity is the crapz15:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw why am i talking to doko?15:55
apacheloggerat any rate for what unity tries to do15:55
txwikingerwell.. metacity was the composition manager for Gnome, right?15:55
apacheloggershadeslayer: he is doing the gcc stuff15:55
shadeslayerah okay15:55
apacheloggertxwikinger: composit != window management :P15:56
txwikingerwell.. ok..I give up trying to understand Gnome15:56
apacheloggertxwikinger: metacity is the window manager of gnome, which later on grew some sort of compisiting features15:56
apacheloggerjust like kwin is the window manager of kde and later also grew some sort of compisiting (though superior to metacity I am lead to understand)15:56
txwikingerwhat is KDE's window manager?15:56
txwikingerah ok15:56
apacheloggercompiz OTOH is a sort of new window manager which really was made around the compositing from start on15:57
txwikingerso kwin is the windows and composition manager15:57
apacheloggermeaning while both kwin and metacity probably provide better window management in general, compiz probably is superior in the compositing area15:57
apacheloggerwhich leads to the why compiz-and-not-metacity15:57
macothere's also xcompmgr which can let you have compositing regardless of wm. ive used it with xmonad15:57
txwikingerwell.. so Qt can run on compiz then?15:58
apacheloggerunity does not put a lot of focus on old window management15:58
apacheloggerinstead more on visual apeal15:58
apacheloggerfor which you need compositing these days15:58
shadeslayerfor which you need good hardware15:58
txwikingerwell...on mobile devices is not a lot of real estate for windows anyway15:59
apacheloggermeaning compiz is the better choice for unity and the reason it uses it15:59
bambeeI uploaded something to revu 1 hour ago and... there is nothing... wtf ? o_O15:59
shadeslayerbambee: revu will be slow15:59
apacheloggertxwikinger: Qt does not need any of those 15:59
Riddellbambee: do you have permissions to upload to revu?15:59
apacheloggerQt interacts with X11 directly15:59
txwikingerwithout kwin?16:00
apacheloggerthe window manager does just that, manage windows16:00
bambeeRiddell: you're reviewing my package so yes16:00
apacheloggerthe actual client or whatever they call it is Qt16:00
apacheloggeror any other toolkit16:00
apacheloggerthis is the reason you can run any toolkit with any window manager on any desktop etc.16:01
Riddellbambee: good point16:01
txwikingerwell.. how is Qt doing the compositing then16:01
apacheloggerit does not16:01
apacheloggerthe compositor does that16:01
txwikingerwell..but Qt windows do16:02
txwikingerif so.. it cannot do directly X16:02
apacheloggerit is complicated...16:02
apacheloggersimply put the compositor has control over the windows, and can manipulate them16:02
apacheloggerthat does not mean the compositor knows about the toolkit that draws on the window16:03
apacheloggernor that the toolkit knows about the compositor16:03
txwikingerright it just takes the whole frame like it i16:03
bambeeRiddell: I use my second gpg key... (created this morning), probably revu does not like it...16:04
* txwikinger thinks the blizzard will not leave before tomorrow16:04
apacheloggercompositing happens in X ... goes a bit like Qt draws window at position 100,50, Qt draws button at position 0,0 within that window, compositor tells X to make the window transparent ... X outputs graphics accordingly16:04
Riddellbambee: ah well yes most likely16:05
bambeemhhh... strange... my second key is ont lp...16:05
kubotubambee meant: "mhhh... strange... my second key is on lp..."16:05
txwikingerapachelogger: Well..wenn I make a Qt app then Qt does only the stuff inside the frame, kwin does the decorator and everything, right?16:05
Riddellbambee: I've no idea how often revu will sync its keys, maybe check on #ubuntu-motu, siretart is good candidate I think16:06
apacheloggeronce a day I believe16:07
bambeeRiddell: ok16:07
* txwikinger finally figured out what stole all of his space in /home16:08
Riddelltxwikinger: beasties?16:12
shadeslayeri bet it's the xsession erros file! :D16:13
debfxRiddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :(16:14
Riddelldebfx: sounds like a bug in colibri to me16:16
bambeeRiddell: apparently this is the cronjob which did not registered my key yet...16:17
debfxmaybe, I haven't tested it with the kde notificattion daemon16:17
shadeslayerafiestas: weird issue in natty, i turned off the bluetooth, but the bluetooth light stays on16:18
shadeslayerturned off bluetooth from bluedevil that is16:19
Quintasanhey, anyone know how many bits are used to store a kanji?16:21
Quintasana.k.a the Japanese thingies16:21
bambeeRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584364/  <--- the debdiff :)16:21
RiddellQuintasan: it depends on the encoding you are using16:22
RiddellQuintasan: two or three16:22
QuintasanI see, thanks Riddell16:22
shadeslayerQuintasan: kanji is a drink here in india16:24
shadeslayerQuintasan: now read your question with that in mind :P16:25
RiddellQuintasan: actually it might be more, don't quote me16:25
txwikingerRiddell: what about beasties?16:25
Riddelltxwikinger: did they take up space in your /home ?16:26
txwikingerah.. no.. it was my not used anymore dimap directory for kmail16:26
txwikingerabout 30G or so16:27
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Riddellbambee: libmygpo-qt looking lovely now16:32
Riddellbambee: next we have to work out what to do with it16:32
Riddellbambee: it'll need a FFe to get it into the archive16:32
Riddellbambee: we should also rebuild amarok in kubuntu-ppa/beta against it16:32
bambeewhat's a FFe ?16:33
txwikingerFeature Freeze Exemption16:33
ubottuFeature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process.16:33
debfxRiddell: same thing with the plasma notifications16:34
Riddelldebfx: what what?16:34
debfx<debfx> Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :(16:36
debfxthe same thing happens when using the default plasma notifications16:36
Riddelldebfx: you get a notification before plasma is up?16:37
bambeeRiddell: we've just to put libmygpo-qt1 in amarok dependencies , right ?16:38
Riddellbambee: the package needs to be in the PPA for natty and maverik16:38
Riddellthen add the -dev to amarok's build-depends, build it locally and check for new files, check it works, upload to PPA16:39
debfxRiddell: yes, maybe the networkmanagement daemon emits the notifications16:40
Riddelldebfx: I doubt network manager itself does but the plasmoid now does system connections so that might be part of it16:41
Riddelldebfx: however it's an upstream issue so do report it there if you think it's a bug16:41
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Riddellsteveire: meeting scheduling if you want to do you membership ^^16:55
steveireDoesn't open in konqi :o16:55
Riddellerr, really?16:55
steveireNot on whatever kubuntu I have16:56
Riddellhmm, that's a bit rubbish of khtml and/or doodle16:56
Riddellsteveire: can I convince you of the merits of rekonq? :)16:56
agateauRiddell: when you have a minute, your packager opinion would be useful on bug #73170216:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 731702 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "euca-add-user adds a new disabled user, and there is no visible way to enable it " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73170216:56
agateauRiddell: err not that one16:57
agateauRiddell: #73130216:57
steveireYes, But for some reason it's not the default on my 10.10 ...16:57
steveireProbably some kde config thing I don't understand16:57
agateauRiddell: bug #731302 (triggering this bot is tricky)16:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 731302 in libdbusmenu-qt "mumble not integrated with global menu" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73130216:58
apacheloggerubottu: you need to start seeing semantics my friend16:59
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)16:59
Riddellsteveire: default in the application menu or default when you click on a link in another application?16:59
apacheloggerubottu: being a bot is no excuse for not seeing semantics, in fact it makes it all the more expectable16:59
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steveireWhen I use another app, and also it's in a submenu of the 'other broser' section of koni17:00
apacheloggerRiddell: as I pointed out before release... rekonq is not properly configured as default17:01
apacheloggerif you got konqueror installed konqueror will override rekonq as default17:01
Riddellyes konqueror has an initial preference of 9 while rekonq I think doesn't set one at all17:01
Riddellwhich isn't an issue for new installs where we don't install konqueror by default17:02
Riddellbut we should fix it17:02
apacheloggerRiddell: that assumes konqueror does not get pulled in by anything17:03
apacheloggere.g. kamoso pulled in konqueror IIRC17:03
Riddellapachelogger: yes17:04
Riddelltalking of kamoso, has anyone looked at that new bluedevil release?17:04
Riddell(curious chain of thought I know)17:05
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck, jjesse: pingy17:07
Riddellagateau: commented17:08
debfxhow do applications register themself in the kde default applications thingy?17:08
agateauRiddell: thanks17:08
Riddelldebfx: which kde default applications thingy?17:09
debfxRiddell: the one in system settings17:09
Riddelldebfx: there are several applications set there, they all work in separate ways17:09
debfxok, how does the web browser registration work?17:10
apacheloggerdebfx: not at all?17:11
apacheloggerat least as I recall17:11
debfxRiddell, agateau: recommending appmenu-qt means pulling in Qt17:11
apacheloggereither you let kio/krun decide or you set an explicit app17:12
Riddelldebfx: it has two options, one to hardcode a command to run and one to use the html mimetype17:12
debfximho libqtgui4 should recommend appmenu-qt until ubuntu ships qt by default17:12
Riddelldebfx: wouldn't that be a shame :)17:12
ScottKRiddell: The doodle poll is adjusted to dispaly in local time, right?17:40
shadeslayeriirc yes ^^17:46
RiddellScottK: hmm, I don't know18:00
RiddellScottK: I started it at 15:00UTC for each day, ends at 23:59UTC for each day18:01
ScottKOK.  It displays in UTC then.18:01
ScottKI need to redo mine.18:01
bambeeRiddell: pbuilder will not fail on launchpad if libmygpo-qt-dev is not found ?18:03
ScottKshadeslayer: ^^^ It's UTC.18:05
apacheloggerScottK: maybe it is localized if one is logged in18:08
apacheloggerwould make sense at least18:08
ScottKapachelogger: No.  I was logged in.18:08
ScottK(and my TZ was set in my account)18:08
apacheloggerweird this doodle is18:08
debfxFAQ says you can choose whether or not you want to enable TZ support when creating a poll18:10
ScottKHe must not have done that.18:20
ScottKI know we've had doodles in local time before.18:21
bambeebuild amarok with a core i7 is just a dream :D19:14
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