[03:35] why is LP directing me to wiki page of how to report a bug when I am clicking on report a bug? [03:37] c2tarun: Because you're supposed to read the wiki page and follow it's instructions to report the bug. [03:37] ScottK: I filed many bugs earlier, why now? [03:38] No idea. I think it may be different on a per package basis. [03:38] thats is possible. [07:38] morning === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:30] Riddell: hello [09:47] hi kunal [09:47] Riddell: i was trying compling kdebase-workspace from mainline i am gettting the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/584157/ [09:50] kunal: are you running natty? [09:50] Riddell: yes [10:03] kunal: try upgrading cmake [10:04] you need version 2.8.3-3ubuntu5 [10:04] Riddell: ok [10:04] Riddell: i'll try with the new one [10:04] Riddell: thanks [10:53] Riddell: already using 2.8.3-3ubuntu5 [10:54] kunal: and you're compiling from git? [10:55] Riddell: yes [10:55] Riddell: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace [10:57] kunal: works for me, make sure you don't have a cmake cache [10:59] Riddell: i am using the pbuilder, cmake is installed on very build [11:02] kunal: where are you getting your packaging from? [11:02] kunal: what architecture? [11:04] Riddell: i386 [11:04] Riddell: using mainline code and debian folder from ubuntu archive (minus patches) [11:14] fregl: ooh ooh I got qt-at-spi working! [11:14] it speaks! [11:22] Riddell: qt does at-spi now? [11:24] apachelogger: twice as good, it does at-spi2! [11:25] woohooo [11:25] accessibility here we come [11:25] actually also ... automated testing here we come [11:25] * apachelogger pokes txwikinger [11:33] alas I can't get recorditnow to capture sound [11:34] does it use pulseaudio? I cannot get pulsaudio to have any input, but alsa seems to pick up sounds from microphone just fine [11:34] Riddell: http://verb3k.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/how-to-do-proper-screencasts-on-linux/ [12:36] apachelogger: ? [13:03] shadeslayer: Does https://blog.torproject.org/blog/detecting-certificate-authority-compromises-and-web-browser-collusion affect rekonq? I'd be almost certain it does and we ought to get fixes out via -security. [13:04] Anyone working on revived akonadi startup error dialog (nepomuk search service not registered) ? Doesn't help akonadi's reputation ;) [13:04] Riddell: ^^^ also probably affects Konqueror and maybe the KDE SSL cert bundle. [13:05] allee: which version of akonadi do you have installed? [13:06] debfx: 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 natty upgraded today + freshly created test user [13:08] debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584270 [13:11] debfx: My debconf is no longer purple. Thank you for working on that. [13:12] allee: that would be bug #740488 [13:12] Launchpad bug 740488 in akonadi (Ubuntu Natty) "Akonadi complains about duplicated agent identifiers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740488 [13:19] ScottK: shouldn't that be fixed at a lower layer? e.g. openssl [13:20] debfx: No. Each browser has it's own set of CAs that it trusts. If we had a well integrated security model for SSL it would, but we don't. [13:20] Plus KDE has one and the system has one and I think apache has one, etc. [13:21] ScottK: yeah but this is about blacklisting specific certificates not about trusting CAs [13:22] debfx: Yes, but I think it's the same spots you have to touch. [13:29] ScottK: I'm sure KDE doesn't validate the certificates itself but uses Qt or openssl directly [13:31] debfx: OK, but I don't know if where the revocations are stored. Something in the rekonq/KDE/Qt/OpenSSL chain needs updating. [13:33] Riddell: now that makes me happy to hear :) [13:33] it still needs tons of bugfixes... but a start it is === qdev|Sput is now known as Guest29806 [13:42] shadeslayer: http://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/03/18/revocation.html <- Wonder how rekonq does? [13:44] ScottK: looking at it :) [13:45] shadeslayer: Thanks. [14:25] when did rekonq decide that you can only have one window open? kinda makes it useless for activity integration [14:27] ctrl + n seems to work fine, but it appears that there is not a "new window" item in the menu [14:28] yeah, i noticed that, plus if you call rekonq from krunner, the commandline, etc. it complains that its already running instead of just firing up a new window [14:50] apachelogger: your fb pic looks like this http://images.whatport80.com/images/thumb/c/cf/Trollface.jpg/400px-Trollface.jpg [14:52] * txwikinger is going outside shovelling snow for the second time this morning [14:52] ooh [14:52] txwikinger: snow is awesome [14:52] shadeslayer: Yeah.. Sunday the Spring started :) [14:53] We got 30cm of snow already today [14:53] ScottK: from reading the first tor blog, i am quite certain rekonq has it [14:53] will try and reproduce [14:53] OK. [14:53] ScottK: Any snow down there? [14:53] It looks like an important one to fix. [14:53] txwikinger: Nope. I'm pretty sure it's all melted now. [14:54] yep [14:54] Hehe.. not here [14:54] (we had some big piles from plowing that lasted a suprisingly long time this year) [14:54] txwikinger: You picked Canada, so you know who to blame. [14:54] seeing how chromium hard codes the CRL's ... i think we might have to do the same [14:54] Well... we still had a couple of patches before last night when the big blizzard came [14:55] Now... we have a total winter landscape again [14:55] I was out without a jacket yesterday and it was quite comfortable. [14:55] Maximum we had so far was 12C [14:56] And Phil was not very accurate this year :D [15:04] debfx: confirmed. thx. setting XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh without duplicate /usr/share fixes the missing nepomuk search not registered too. Strange but true [15:06] allee: I don't think that both issues are related [15:06] shadeslayer: Once you find out, please let mdeslaur in #ubuntu-hardened know what you found. [15:07] sure [15:08] debfx: that was my first thought too. My test was: set XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh, stop akonadi, rm .local/share/akonadi/*error*, logout with kmail running, login -> now d-bus error anymore [15:21] debfx: I have to correct me. After closing all apps except one konsole and one kmail. I always get the nepomuk-search-not-dbus-registered (For 5 tries once with, once without /usr/share duplicate in XDG_DATA_DIR) [15:21] ^^ so no solution yet for natty :( I'll add my findings to launchpad, k.b.o [15:22] shadeslayer: it happen [15:22] s [15:25] ScottK: Well there are different opinions about what I picked [15:26] apachelogger: what automatic testing [15:30] apachelogger: do we have the gccgo compiler in our packages? [15:46] txwikinger: now that qt has grown itself support for at-spi2 we can do automatic QA on the GUI and prevent regressions there :D [15:46] something to pursue upstream I suppose [15:46] shadeslayer: the what? [15:46] apachelogger: cool [15:47] When I have some time I need to explore that [15:47] apachelogger: google go ... some C++ and Python thing [15:47] apachelogger: http://code.google.com/p/go/ [15:47] So.. when is unity moving to Qt? [15:47] shadeslayer: I know, but I did not know that gcc supported go [15:47] like at all [15:48] txwikinger: when someone ports compiz to Qt [15:48] apachelogger: there's this module of sorts that you can enable when compiling gcc it self [15:48] unless you are talking about unity-2d which is alrady there and IMHO biased opinion actually works better than unity [15:48] -O [15:48] shadeslayer: well, talk to doko [15:48] wokay [15:49] go is a rather ugly language though [15:51] apachelogger: well.. will compiz be part of wayland or whatever it is called [15:52] wayland is a display server [15:52] \o [15:52] compositors are not part of the server [15:52] right [15:53] Well... how is KDE doing the compiz stuff? [15:53] if this is already part of KDE maybe it should be moved to Qt instead [15:53] It is not? I think KDE has it's own composition manager [15:53] >using Compiz with KDE [15:53] :/ [15:54] Well.. it does a lot of the same stuff [15:54] kwin is the compositor [15:54] right .. so what is doing the same thing for unity? metacity> [15:54] ? [15:54] compiz [15:55] compiz is used instead of metacity? [15:55] unity ~= plasma, compiz ~= kwin [15:55] txwikinger: metacity is the crapz [15:55] apachelogger: btw why am i talking to doko? [15:55] at any rate for what unity tries to do [15:55] well.. metacity was the composition manager for Gnome, right? [15:55] shadeslayer: he is doing the gcc stuff [15:55] ah okay [15:56] txwikinger: composit != window management :P [15:56] well.. ok..I give up trying to understand Gnome [15:56] txwikinger: metacity is the window manager of gnome, which later on grew some sort of compisiting features [15:56] just like kwin is the window manager of kde and later also grew some sort of compisiting (though superior to metacity I am lead to understand) [15:56] what is KDE's window manager? [15:56] ah ok [15:56] KWin [15:57] compiz OTOH is a sort of new window manager which really was made around the compositing from start on [15:57] so kwin is the windows and composition manager [15:57] meaning while both kwin and metacity probably provide better window management in general, compiz probably is superior in the compositing area [15:57] which leads to the why compiz-and-not-metacity [15:57] there's also xcompmgr which can let you have compositing regardless of wm. ive used it with xmonad [15:58] well.. so Qt can run on compiz then? [15:58] unity does not put a lot of focus on old window management [15:58] instead more on visual apeal [15:58] for which you need compositing these days [15:58] for which you need good hardware [15:59] well...on mobile devices is not a lot of real estate for windows anyway [15:59] meaning compiz is the better choice for unity and the reason it uses it [15:59] I uploaded something to revu 1 hour ago and... there is nothing... wtf ? o_O [15:59] bambee: revu will be slow [15:59] :P [15:59] txwikinger: Qt does not need any of those [15:59] bambee: do you have permissions to upload to revu? [15:59] Qt interacts with X11 directly [16:00] without kwin? [16:00] the window manager does just that, manage windows [16:00] Riddell: you're reviewing my package so yes [16:00] the actual client or whatever they call it is Qt [16:00] or any other toolkit [16:01] this is the reason you can run any toolkit with any window manager on any desktop etc. [16:01] bambee: good point [16:01] well.. how is Qt doing the compositing then [16:01] it does not [16:01] the compositor does that [16:02] well..but Qt windows do [16:02] no [16:02] if so.. it cannot do directly X [16:02] it is complicated... [16:02] haha [16:02] simply put the compositor has control over the windows, and can manipulate them [16:03] that does not mean the compositor knows about the toolkit that draws on the window [16:03] nor that the toolkit knows about the compositor [16:03] right it just takes the whole frame like it i [16:03] is [16:04] Riddell: I use my second gpg key... (created this morning), probably revu does not like it... [16:04] * txwikinger thinks the blizzard will not leave before tomorrow [16:04] compositing happens in X ... goes a bit like Qt draws window at position 100,50, Qt draws button at position 0,0 within that window, compositor tells X to make the window transparent ... X outputs graphics accordingly [16:05] bambee: ah well yes most likely [16:05] mhhh... strange... my second key is ont lp... [16:05] s/ont/on/ [16:05] bambee meant: "mhhh... strange... my second key is on lp..." [16:05] apachelogger: Well..wenn I make a Qt app then Qt does only the stuff inside the frame, kwin does the decorator and everything, right? [16:06] yes [16:06] bambee: I've no idea how often revu will sync its keys, maybe check on #ubuntu-motu, siretart is good candidate I think [16:07] once a day I believe [16:07] Riddell: ok [16:08] * txwikinger finally figured out what stole all of his space in /home [16:12] txwikinger: beasties? [16:13] i bet it's the xsession erros file! :D [16:14] Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :( [16:16] debfx: sounds like a bug in colibri to me [16:17] Riddell: apparently this is the cronjob which did not registered my key yet... [16:17] maybe, I haven't tested it with the kde notificattion daemon [16:18] afiestas: weird issue in natty, i turned off the bluetooth, but the bluetooth light stays on [16:19] turned off bluetooth from bluedevil that is [16:21] hey, anyone know how many bits are used to store a kanji? [16:21] a.k.a the Japanese thingies [16:21] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584364/ <--- the debdiff :) [16:22] Quintasan: it depends on the encoding you are using [16:22] UTF-8 [16:22] Quintasan: two or three [16:22] I see, thanks Riddell [16:24] Quintasan: kanji is a drink here in india [16:24] lol [16:24] :P [16:25] Quintasan: now read your question with that in mind :P [16:25] Quintasan: actually it might be more, don't quote me [16:25] Riddell: what about beasties? [16:26] txwikinger: did they take up space in your /home ? [16:26] ah.. no.. it was my not used anymore dimap directory for kmail [16:27] about 30G or so === cmagina is now known as cmagina-lunch [16:32] bambee: libmygpo-qt looking lovely now [16:32] bambee: next we have to work out what to do with it [16:32] bambee: it'll need a FFe to get it into the archive [16:32] bambee: we should also rebuild amarok in kubuntu-ppa/beta against it [16:33] what's a FFe ? [16:33] Feature Freeze Exemption [16:33] !ffe [16:33] Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. [16:33] aaahh [16:33] that [16:34] Riddell: same thing with the plasma notifications [16:34] debfx: what what? [16:36] Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :( [16:36] the same thing happens when using the default plasma notifications [16:37] debfx: you get a notification before plasma is up? [16:38] Riddell: we've just to put libmygpo-qt1 in amarok dependencies , right ? [16:38] bambee: the package needs to be in the PPA for natty and maverik [16:39] then add the -dev to amarok's build-depends, build it locally and check for new files, check it works, upload to PPA [16:40] Riddell: yes, maybe the networkmanagement daemon emits the notifications [16:41] debfx: I doubt network manager itself does but the plasmoid now does system connections so that might be part of it [16:41] debfx: however it's an upstream issue so do report it there if you think it's a bug === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 1 bugs http://goo.gl/23eui | Meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/qxgtbq7wg52rtedb [16:55] steveire: meeting scheduling if you want to do you membership ^^ [16:55] Doesn't open in konqi :o [16:55] err, really? [16:56] Not on whatever kubuntu I have [16:56] hmm, that's a bit rubbish of khtml and/or doodle [16:56] steveire: can I convince you of the merits of rekonq? :) [16:56] Riddell: when you have a minute, your packager opinion would be useful on bug #731702 [16:56] Launchpad bug 731702 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "euca-add-user adds a new disabled user, and there is no visible way to enable it " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731702 [16:57] Riddell: err not that one [16:57] Riddell: #731302 [16:57] Yes, But for some reason it's not the default on my 10.10 ... [16:57] Probably some kde config thing I don't understand [16:58] Riddell: bug #731302 (triggering this bot is tricky) [16:58] Launchpad bug 731302 in libdbusmenu-qt "mumble not integrated with global menu" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731302 [16:59] ubottu: you need to start seeing semantics my friend [16:59] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:59] steveire: default in the application menu or default when you click on a link in another application? [16:59] ubottu: being a bot is no excuse for not seeing semantics, in fact it makes it all the more expectable === cmagina-lunch is now known as cmagina [17:00] When I use another app, and also it's in a submenu of the 'other broser' section of koni [17:00] konqi [17:01] Riddell: as I pointed out before release... rekonq is not properly configured as default [17:01] if you got konqueror installed konqueror will override rekonq as default [17:01] yes konqueror has an initial preference of 9 while rekonq I think doesn't set one at all [17:02] which isn't an issue for new installs where we don't install konqueror by default [17:02] but we should fix it [17:03] Riddell: that assumes konqueror does not get pulled in by anything [17:03] e.g. kamoso pulled in konqueror IIRC [17:04] apachelogger: yes [17:04] talking of kamoso, has anyone looked at that new bluedevil release? [17:05] (curious chain of thought I know) [17:05] ^^ [17:07] DarkwingDuck, jjesse: pingy [17:08] agateau: commented [17:08] how do applications register themself in the kde default applications thingy? [17:08] Riddell: thanks [17:09] debfx: which kde default applications thingy? [17:09] Riddell: the one in system settings [17:09] debfx: there are several applications set there, they all work in separate ways [17:10] ok, how does the web browser registration work? [17:11] debfx: not at all? [17:11] at least as I recall [17:11] Riddell, agateau: recommending appmenu-qt means pulling in Qt [17:12] either you let kio/krun decide or you set an explicit app [17:12] debfx: it has two options, one to hardcode a command to run and one to use the html mimetype [17:12] imho libqtgui4 should recommend appmenu-qt until ubuntu ships qt by default [17:12] debfx: wouldn't that be a shame :) [17:12] :D [17:40] Riddell: The doodle poll is adjusted to dispaly in local time, right? [17:46] iirc yes ^^ [17:46] Thanks. [18:00] ScottK: hmm, I don't know [18:01] ScottK: I started it at 15:00UTC for each day, ends at 23:59UTC for each day [18:01] OK. It displays in UTC then. [18:01] I need to redo mine. [18:03] Riddell: pbuilder will not fail on launchpad if libmygpo-qt-dev is not found ? [18:05] shadeslayer: ^^^ It's UTC. [18:08] ScottK: maybe it is localized if one is logged in [18:08] would make sense at least [18:08] apachelogger: No. I was logged in. [18:08] (and my TZ was set in my account) [18:08] weird this doodle is [18:10] FAQ says you can choose whether or not you want to enable TZ support when creating a poll [18:20] He must not have done that. [18:21] I know we've had doodles in local time before. [19:14] build amarok with a core i7 is just a dream :D === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde