[03:35] <c2tarun> why is LP directing me to wiki page of how to report a bug when I am clicking on report a bug?
[03:37] <ScottK> c2tarun: Because you're supposed to read the wiki page and follow it's instructions to report the bug.
[03:37] <c2tarun> ScottK: I filed many bugs earlier, why now?
[03:38] <ScottK> No idea.  I think it may be different on a per package basis.
[03:38] <c2tarun> thats is possible.
[07:38] <bambee> morning
[09:30] <kunal> Riddell: hello
[09:47] <Riddell> hi kunal 
[09:47] <kunal> Riddell: i was trying compling kdebase-workspace from mainline i am gettting the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/584157/
[09:50] <Riddell> kunal: are you running natty?
[09:50] <kunal> Riddell: yes
[10:03] <Riddell> kunal: try upgrading cmake
[10:04] <Riddell> you need version 2.8.3-3ubuntu5
[10:04] <kunal> Riddell: ok 
[10:04] <kunal> Riddell: i'll try with the new one
[10:04] <kunal> Riddell: thanks
[10:53] <kunal> Riddell: already using 2.8.3-3ubuntu5
[10:54] <Riddell> kunal: and you're compiling from git?
[10:55] <kunal> Riddell: yes
[10:55] <kunal>  Riddell: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace 
[10:57] <Riddell> kunal: works for me, make sure you don't have a cmake cache
[10:59] <kunal> Riddell: i am using the pbuilder, cmake is installed on very build
[11:02] <Riddell> kunal: where are you getting your packaging from?
[11:02] <Riddell> kunal: what architecture?
[11:04] <kunal> Riddell: i386
[11:04] <kunal> Riddell: using mainline code and debian folder from ubuntu archive (minus patches)
[11:14] <Riddell> fregl: ooh ooh I got qt-at-spi working!
[11:14] <Riddell> it speaks!
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: qt does at-spi now?
[11:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: twice as good, it does at-spi2!
[11:25] <apachelogger> woohooo
[11:25] <apachelogger> accessibility here we come
[11:25] <apachelogger> actually also ... automated testing here we come
[11:25]  * apachelogger pokes txwikinger
[11:33] <Riddell> alas I can't get recorditnow to capture sound
[11:34] <Tm_T> does it use pulseaudio? I cannot get pulsaudio to have any input, but alsa seems to pick up sounds from microphone just fine
[11:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://verb3k.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/how-to-do-proper-screencasts-on-linux/
[12:36] <txwikinger> apachelogger: ?
[13:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Does https://blog.torproject.org/blog/detecting-certificate-authority-compromises-and-web-browser-collusion affect rekonq?  I'd be almost certain it does and we ought to get fixes out via -security.
[13:04] <allee> Anyone working on revived akonadi startup error dialog (nepomuk search service not registered) ?   Doesn't help akonadi's reputation ;)
[13:04] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ also probably affects Konqueror and maybe the KDE SSL cert bundle.
[13:05] <debfx> allee: which version of akonadi do you have installed?
[13:06] <allee> debfx: 1.5.1-0ubuntu1  natty upgraded today + freshly created test user
[13:08] <allee> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584270
[13:11] <ScottK> debfx: My debconf is no longer purple.  Thank you for working on that.
[13:12] <debfx> allee: that would be bug #740488
[13:19] <debfx> ScottK: shouldn't that be fixed at a lower layer? e.g. openssl
[13:20] <ScottK> debfx: No.  Each browser has it's own set of CAs that it trusts.  If we had a well integrated security model for SSL it would, but we don't.
[13:20] <ScottK> Plus KDE has one and the system has one and I think apache has one, etc.
[13:21] <debfx> ScottK: yeah but this is about blacklisting specific certificates not about trusting CAs
[13:22] <ScottK> debfx: Yes, but I think it's the same spots you have to touch.
[13:29] <debfx> ScottK: I'm sure KDE doesn't validate the certificates itself but uses Qt or openssl directly
[13:31] <ScottK> debfx: OK, but I don't know if where the revocations are stored.  Something in the rekonq/KDE/Qt/OpenSSL chain needs updating.
[13:33] <fregl> Riddell: now that makes me happy to hear :)
[13:33] <fregl> it still needs tons of bugfixes... but a start it is
[13:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/03/18/revocation.html <- Wonder how rekonq does?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: looking at it :)
[13:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks.
[14:25] <cmagina> when did rekonq decide that you can only have one window open?  kinda makes it useless for activity integration
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> ctrl + n seems to work fine, but it appears that there is not a "new window" item in the menu
[14:28] <cmagina> yeah, i noticed that, plus if you call rekonq from krunner, the commandline, etc. it complains that its already running instead of just firing up a new window
[14:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your fb pic looks like this http://images.whatport80.com/images/thumb/c/cf/Trollface.jpg/400px-Trollface.jpg
[14:52]  * txwikinger is going outside shovelling snow for the second time this morning
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ooh
[14:52] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: snow is awesome
[14:52] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: Yeah.. Sunday the Spring started :)
[14:53] <txwikinger> We got 30cm of snow already today
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: from reading the first tor blog, i am quite certain rekonq has it
[14:53] <shadeslayer> will try and reproduce
[14:53] <ScottK> OK.
[14:53] <txwikinger> ScottK: Any snow down there?
[14:53] <ScottK> It looks like an important one to fix.
[14:53] <ScottK> txwikinger: Nope.  I'm pretty sure it's all melted now.
[14:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:54] <txwikinger> Hehe.. not here
[14:54] <ScottK> (we had some big piles from plowing that lasted a suprisingly long time this year)
[14:54] <ScottK> txwikinger: You picked Canada, so you know who to blame.
[14:54] <shadeslayer> seeing how chromium hard codes the CRL's ... i think we might have to do the same
[14:54] <txwikinger> Well... we still had a couple of patches before last night when the big blizzard came
[14:55] <txwikinger> Now... we have a total winter landscape again
[14:55] <ScottK> I was out without a jacket yesterday and it was quite comfortable.
[14:55] <txwikinger> Maximum we had so far was 12C
[14:56] <txwikinger> And Phil was not very accurate this year :D
[15:04] <allee> debfx: confirmed. thx. setting XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh without duplicate /usr/share fixes the missing nepomuk search not registered too.  Strange but true
[15:06] <debfx> allee: I don't think that both issues are related
[15:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Once you find out, please let mdeslaur in #ubuntu-hardened know what you found.
[15:07] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:08] <allee> debfx: that was my first thought too. My test was: set XDG_DATA_DIR in .kde/env/test.sh, stop akonadi, rm .local/share/akonadi/*error*, logout with kmail running, login  -> now d-bus error anymore
[15:21] <allee> debfx: I have to correct me.  After closing all apps except  one konsole and one kmail.  I always get the nepomuk-search-not-dbus-registered (For 5 tries once with, once without /usr/share duplicate in XDG_DATA_DIR)
[15:21] <allee> ^^ so no solution yet for natty :(   I'll add my findings to launchpad, k.b.o
[15:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it happen
[15:22] <apachelogger> s
[15:25] <txwikinger> ScottK: Well there are different opinions about what I picked
[15:26] <txwikinger> apachelogger: what automatic testing
[15:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do we have the gccgo compiler in our packages?
[15:46] <apachelogger> txwikinger: now that qt has grown itself support for at-spi2 we can do automatic QA on the GUI and prevent regressions there :D
[15:46] <apachelogger> something to pursue upstream I suppose
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the what?
[15:46] <txwikinger> apachelogger: cool
[15:47] <txwikinger> When I have some time I need to explore that
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: google go ... some C++ and Python thing
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://code.google.com/p/go/
[15:47] <txwikinger> So.. when is unity moving to Qt?
[15:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I know, but I did not know that gcc supported go
[15:47] <apachelogger> like at all
[15:48] <apachelogger> txwikinger: when someone ports compiz to Qt
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's this module of sorts that you can enable when compiling gcc it self
[15:48] <apachelogger> unless you are talking about unity-2d which is alrady there and IMHO biased opinion actually works better than unity
[15:48] <apachelogger> -O
[15:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, talk to doko
[15:48] <shadeslayer> wokay
[15:49] <apachelogger> go is a rather ugly language though
[15:51] <txwikinger> apachelogger: well.. will compiz be part of wayland or whatever it is called
[15:52] <apachelogger> wayland is a display server
[15:52] <Quintasan> \o
[15:52] <apachelogger> compositors are not part of the server
[15:52] <txwikinger> right
[15:53] <txwikinger> Well... how is KDE doing the compiz stuff?
[15:53] <txwikinger> if this is already part of KDE maybe it should be moved to Qt instead
[15:53] <Quintasan> It is not? I think KDE has it's own composition manager
[15:53] <Quintasan> >using Compiz with KDE
[15:53] <Quintasan> :/
[15:54] <txwikinger> Well.. it does a lot of the same stuff
[15:54] <apachelogger> kwin is the compositor
[15:54] <txwikinger> right .. so what is doing the same thing for unity? metacity>
[15:54] <txwikinger> ?
[15:54] <apachelogger> compiz
[15:55] <txwikinger> compiz is used instead of metacity?
[15:55] <apachelogger> unity ~= plasma, compiz ~= kwin
[15:55] <apachelogger> txwikinger: metacity is the crapz
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw why am i talking to doko?
[15:55] <apachelogger> at any rate for what unity tries to do
[15:55] <txwikinger> well.. metacity was the composition manager for Gnome, right?
[15:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: he is doing the gcc stuff
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[15:56] <apachelogger> txwikinger: composit != window management :P
[15:56] <txwikinger> well.. ok..I give up trying to understand Gnome
[15:56] <apachelogger> txwikinger: metacity is the window manager of gnome, which later on grew some sort of compisiting features
[15:56] <apachelogger> just like kwin is the window manager of kde and later also grew some sort of compisiting (though superior to metacity I am lead to understand)
[15:56] <txwikinger> what is KDE's window manager?
[15:56] <txwikinger> ah ok
[15:56] <Quintasan> KWin
[15:57] <apachelogger> compiz OTOH is a sort of new window manager which really was made around the compositing from start on
[15:57] <txwikinger> so kwin is the windows and composition manager
[15:57] <apachelogger> meaning while both kwin and metacity probably provide better window management in general, compiz probably is superior in the compositing area
[15:57] <apachelogger> which leads to the why compiz-and-not-metacity
[15:57] <maco> there's also xcompmgr which can let you have compositing regardless of wm. ive used it with xmonad
[15:58] <txwikinger> well.. so Qt can run on compiz then?
[15:58] <apachelogger> unity does not put a lot of focus on old window management
[15:58] <apachelogger> instead more on visual apeal
[15:58] <apachelogger> for which you need compositing these days
[15:58] <shadeslayer> for which you need good hardware
[15:59] <txwikinger> well...on mobile devices is not a lot of real estate for windows anyway
[15:59] <apachelogger> meaning compiz is the better choice for unity and the reason it uses it
[15:59] <bambee> I uploaded something to revu 1 hour ago and... there is nothing... wtf ? o_O
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bambee: revu will be slow
[15:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:59] <apachelogger> txwikinger: Qt does not need any of those 
[15:59] <Riddell> bambee: do you have permissions to upload to revu?
[15:59] <apachelogger> Qt interacts with X11 directly
[16:00] <txwikinger> without kwin?
[16:00] <apachelogger> the window manager does just that, manage windows
[16:00] <bambee> Riddell: you're reviewing my package so yes
[16:00] <apachelogger> the actual client or whatever they call it is Qt
[16:00] <apachelogger> or any other toolkit
[16:01] <apachelogger> this is the reason you can run any toolkit with any window manager on any desktop etc.
[16:01] <Riddell> bambee: good point
[16:01] <txwikinger> well.. how is Qt doing the compositing then
[16:01] <apachelogger> it does not
[16:01] <apachelogger> the compositor does that
[16:02] <txwikinger> well..but Qt windows do
[16:02] <apachelogger> no
[16:02] <txwikinger> if so.. it cannot do directly X
[16:02] <apachelogger> it is complicated...
[16:02] <txwikinger> haha
[16:02] <apachelogger> simply put the compositor has control over the windows, and can manipulate them
[16:03] <apachelogger> that does not mean the compositor knows about the toolkit that draws on the window
[16:03] <apachelogger> nor that the toolkit knows about the compositor
[16:03] <txwikinger> right it just takes the whole frame like it i
[16:03] <txwikinger> is
[16:04] <bambee> Riddell: I use my second gpg key... (created this morning), probably revu does not like it...
[16:04]  * txwikinger thinks the blizzard will not leave before tomorrow
[16:04] <apachelogger> compositing happens in X ... goes a bit like Qt draws window at position 100,50, Qt draws button at position 0,0 within that window, compositor tells X to make the window transparent ... X outputs graphics accordingly
[16:05] <Riddell> bambee: ah well yes most likely
[16:05] <bambee> mhhh... strange... my second key is ont lp...
[16:05] <bambee> s/ont/on/
[16:05] <kubotu> bambee meant: "mhhh... strange... my second key is on lp..."
[16:05] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Well..wenn I make a Qt app then Qt does only the stuff inside the frame, kwin does the decorator and everything, right?
[16:06] <apachelogger> yes
[16:06] <Riddell> bambee: I've no idea how often revu will sync its keys, maybe check on #ubuntu-motu, siretart is good candidate I think
[16:07] <apachelogger> once a day I believe
[16:07] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[16:08]  * txwikinger finally figured out what stole all of his space in /home
[16:12] <Riddell> txwikinger: beasties?
[16:13] <shadeslayer> i bet it's the xsession erros file! :D
[16:14] <debfx> Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :(
[16:16] <Riddell> debfx: sounds like a bug in colibri to me
[16:17] <bambee> Riddell: apparently this is the cronjob which did not registered my key yet...
[16:17] <debfx> maybe, I haven't tested it with the kde notificattion daemon
[16:18] <shadeslayer> afiestas: weird issue in natty, i turned off the bluetooth, but the bluetooth light stays on
[16:19] <shadeslayer> turned off bluetooth from bluedevil that is
[16:21] <Quintasan> hey, anyone know how many bits are used to store a kanji?
[16:21] <Quintasan> a.k.a the Japanese thingies
[16:21] <bambee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584364/  <--- the debdiff :)
[16:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: it depends on the encoding you are using
[16:22] <Quintasan> UTF-8
[16:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: two or three
[16:22] <Quintasan> I see, thanks Riddell
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kanji is a drink here in india
[16:24] <Quintasan> lol
[16:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: now read your question with that in mind :P
[16:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: actually it might be more, don't quote me
[16:25] <txwikinger> Riddell: what about beasties?
[16:26] <Riddell> txwikinger: did they take up space in your /home ?
[16:26] <txwikinger> ah.. no.. it was my not used anymore dimap directory for kmail
[16:27] <txwikinger> about 30G or so
[16:32] <Riddell> bambee: libmygpo-qt looking lovely now
[16:32] <Riddell> bambee: next we have to work out what to do with it
[16:32] <Riddell> bambee: it'll need a FFe to get it into the archive
[16:32] <Riddell> bambee: we should also rebuild amarok in kubuntu-ppa/beta against it
[16:33] <bambee> what's a FFe ?
[16:33] <txwikinger> Feature Freeze Exemption
[16:33] <tsimpson> !ffe
[16:33] <bambee> aaahh
[16:33] <bambee> that
[16:34] <debfx> Riddell: same thing with the plasma notifications
[16:34] <Riddell> debfx: what what?
 Riddell: the new networkmanagement widget displays notifications before colibri is started which makes them look ugly :(
[16:36] <debfx> the same thing happens when using the default plasma notifications
[16:37] <Riddell> debfx: you get a notification before plasma is up?
[16:38] <bambee> Riddell: we've just to put libmygpo-qt1 in amarok dependencies , right ?
[16:38] <Riddell> bambee: the package needs to be in the PPA for natty and maverik
[16:39] <Riddell> then add the -dev to amarok's build-depends, build it locally and check for new files, check it works, upload to PPA
[16:40] <debfx> Riddell: yes, maybe the networkmanagement daemon emits the notifications
[16:41] <Riddell> debfx: I doubt network manager itself does but the plasmoid now does system connections so that might be part of it
[16:41] <Riddell> debfx: however it's an upstream issue so do report it there if you think it's a bug
[16:55] <Riddell> steveire: meeting scheduling if you want to do you membership ^^
[16:55] <steveire> Doesn't open in konqi :o
[16:55] <Riddell> err, really?
[16:56] <steveire> Not on whatever kubuntu I have
[16:56] <Riddell> hmm, that's a bit rubbish of khtml and/or doodle
[16:56] <Riddell> steveire: can I convince you of the merits of rekonq? :)
[16:56] <agateau> Riddell: when you have a minute, your packager opinion would be useful on bug #731702
[16:57] <agateau> Riddell: err not that one
[16:57] <agateau> Riddell: #731302
[16:57] <steveire> Yes, But for some reason it's not the default on my 10.10 ...
[16:57] <steveire> Probably some kde config thing I don't understand
[16:58] <agateau> Riddell: bug #731302 (triggering this bot is tricky)
[16:59] <apachelogger> ubottu: you need to start seeing semantics my friend
[16:59] <Riddell> steveire: default in the application menu or default when you click on a link in another application?
[16:59] <apachelogger> ubottu: being a bot is no excuse for not seeing semantics, in fact it makes it all the more expectable
[17:00] <steveire> When I use another app, and also it's in a submenu of the 'other broser' section of koni
[17:00] <steveire> konqi
[17:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: as I pointed out before release... rekonq is not properly configured as default
[17:01] <apachelogger> if you got konqueror installed konqueror will override rekonq as default
[17:01] <Riddell> yes konqueror has an initial preference of 9 while rekonq I think doesn't set one at all
[17:02] <Riddell> which isn't an issue for new installs where we don't install konqueror by default
[17:02] <Riddell> but we should fix it
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: that assumes konqueror does not get pulled in by anything
[17:03] <apachelogger> e.g. kamoso pulled in konqueror IIRC
[17:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[17:04] <Riddell> talking of kamoso, has anyone looked at that new bluedevil release?
[17:05] <Riddell> (curious chain of thought I know)
[17:05] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck, jjesse: pingy
[17:08] <Riddell> agateau: commented
[17:08] <debfx> how do applications register themself in the kde default applications thingy?
[17:08] <agateau> Riddell: thanks
[17:09] <Riddell> debfx: which kde default applications thingy?
[17:09] <debfx> Riddell: the one in system settings
[17:09] <Riddell> debfx: there are several applications set there, they all work in separate ways
[17:10] <debfx> ok, how does the web browser registration work?
[17:11] <apachelogger> debfx: not at all?
[17:11] <apachelogger> at least as I recall
[17:11] <debfx> Riddell, agateau: recommending appmenu-qt means pulling in Qt
[17:12] <apachelogger> either you let kio/krun decide or you set an explicit app
[17:12] <Riddell> debfx: it has two options, one to hardcode a command to run and one to use the html mimetype
[17:12] <debfx> imho libqtgui4 should recommend appmenu-qt until ubuntu ships qt by default
[17:12] <Riddell> debfx: wouldn't that be a shame :)
[17:12] <debfx> :D
[17:40] <ScottK> Riddell: The doodle poll is adjusted to dispaly in local time, right?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> iirc yes ^^
[17:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:00] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, I don't know
[18:01] <Riddell> ScottK: I started it at 15:00UTC for each day, ends at 23:59UTC for each day
[18:01] <ScottK> OK.  It displays in UTC then.
[18:01] <ScottK> I need to redo mine.
[18:03] <bambee> Riddell: pbuilder will not fail on launchpad if libmygpo-qt-dev is not found ?
[18:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ It's UTC.
[18:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe it is localized if one is logged in
[18:08] <apachelogger> would make sense at least
[18:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  I was logged in.
[18:08] <ScottK> (and my TZ was set in my account)
[18:08] <apachelogger> weird this doodle is
[18:10] <debfx> FAQ says you can choose whether or not you want to enable TZ support when creating a poll
[18:20] <ScottK> He must not have done that.
[18:21] <ScottK> I know we've had doodles in local time before.
[19:14] <bambee> build amarok with a core i7 is just a dream :D