[01:03] <bbigras> I rebooted and I don't have anything except the desktop. I tryied to start gnome-panel but I didn't have windows. What should I start?
[01:06] <bbigras> Oh and unity won't install. It whines about missing 'compiz-core-abiversion-20110224'.
[01:12] <ali1234> i get same fwiw
[01:15] <ali1234> how do i remove "indicator applet application menu" from the classic desktop panel?
[01:15] <Patrickdk> click, remove
[01:15] <Patrickdk> done!
[01:15] <ali1234> ah, got to unlock it first
[01:15] <Patrickdk> ya, that helps :)
[01:15] <ali1234> unlike everything else on the panel it's locked by default :)
[01:16] <Patrickdk> I lock everything on my panel
[01:17]  * ali1234 installs human-theme
[01:20]  * ali1234 uninstalls libmono-system2.0-cil
[02:49] <hackeron> hey, I try to do: hal-find-by-capability --capability video4linux - in maverick it showed a list of v4l devices - in natty it shows nothing - is there an equivalent command?
[03:16] <frybye> Hi - are there often problems using the live cd when one has a nvidia grafic card??
[03:19] <frybye> masses of users logged into the # and no dialogue at all??
[03:28] <yofel> well, it'll use the nouveau driver on the live disk, which does have it's bugs
[03:28] <yofel> and you waited 4 minutes...
[03:31] <kadapaguy_ubuntu> hi friends,
[03:32] <kadapaguy_ubuntu> my compiz is freezing sometime,all  the maximize,minimze,close buttons are missing,i am using natty alpha3
[03:33] <frybye> yofel - it was not so much that my question had not instant response.. I was just a bit warry of there apparently being NO dialogue .. as if the connection was not ok or whatever...
[03:34] <yofel> heh
[03:36] <frybye> yofel - I need to get over the temptation to make a dual-boot box out of my win7 device here - it does everything I need incl. a few bits that ubuntu cant do .. and I have ubuntu at work anyhow.. so I really should not shoot up this box at home (again and again! ;)
[03:39] <MikeChelen> anyone else have trouble with fglrx?
[05:47] <play>  lastest ubuntu 11.04 alpha stable enough to use? itching to upgrade. (thanks for any feedback)
[05:47] <bazhang> nearly beta, and no.
[05:48] <play> figured. i still see a lot of blog posts about the continuous upgrades to the new gui
[05:49] <play> will wait a month and check again. v10 is good enough atm
[05:50] <bazhang> http://test.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1596437 natty changes rss feed there
[05:51] <play> ah better than checking omgubuntu and webupdate. cool
[07:26] <bullgard4> play: The current version of Ubuntu 11.04 is not stable. Not to be recommended for productive use.
[07:31] <bullgard4> What command is more precise or verbose about the current development status of Ubuntu 11.04 than '~$ lsb_release -a'?
[07:37] <scarleo> Updated this morning and now compiz won't start so no panels whatsoever in unity. Also I can't bring up a terminal with ctrl+alt+t. Tried starting compiz from another tty but no luck. Any suggestions?
[07:39] <Jordan_U> scarleo: Did you set and export $DISPLAY before running compiz in another tty?
[07:40] <scarleo> No, not sure how to do that
[07:40] <Jordan_U> export DISPLAY=:0.0
[07:40] <scarleo> thanks
[07:42] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[07:43] <Severian> It has not been possible to do any installs of narwhall using the alternate installer for any of the alpha releases.  This was addressed in a daily build a bit under a week ago.  So, I have not been able to complete any q. tests for the installer.  Should I wait for Beta or do a test on a daily build and submit it somewhere?
[07:43] <bazhang> Severian, the alternate worked fine here
[07:44] <Severian> I don't know how.  But, I guess that's good.  I tried alpha 1, 2, and 3 on a variety of hardware and it never completed.
[07:46] <scarleo> Jordan_U: Still cant make it start, "Couldn't load plugin 'ccp'"
[07:48] <scarleo> Nevermind, I'll just wait for next update and hope it will work then :)
[08:03] <scarleo> Strange, @synaptic compiz wasn't installed anymore but @terminal it gave option to launch compiz. Anyway, back on track :)
[08:17] <AAA_awright> I'm having a problem, the development Ubuntu refuses to keep my default web browser the same, it either gets reset to Firefox, or Chrome which is supposed to be my default, only launches the home page and not a specific page. Anyone see this problem?
[08:19] <Severian> My default is Firefox and it does not get reset.  If your problem happens a lot, I could try Chrome and see if it resets.  I can't really browse much with Chrome because of its poor security, but I can load it.
[08:19] <AAA_awright> Firefox always loads to the correct page, if that gets erroniously brought up
[08:20] <Severian> I use a non-standard home page and it has never gotten reset on Natty
[08:20] <AAA_awright> Using Preferred Applications to switch to Chrome appears to always load the homepage, Setting the default to Firefox to enable the "Make Chrome my default" button and then using that seems to fix it, at least temporarily
[08:21] <AAA_awright> Additionally when Chrome sets the default, it isn't reported in Preferred Applications, it still shows Firefox
[08:22] <Severian> When you say Chrome, do you really mean Chromium?
[08:22] <AAA_awright> Chrome
[08:22] <AAA_awright> The colorful red-green-yellow-blue logo
[08:22] <Severian> So, you go to google and download it?
[08:22] <AAA_awright> Google Chrome 11.0.696.16 dev
[08:23] <Severian> So, you go to google and download it?
[08:23] <AAA_awright> Yes
[08:23] <AAA_awright> I compile the bleeding edge Chromium on Gentoo as well I've never had any problems with that
[08:24] <vak> hi all
[08:25] <AAA_awright> Switching from Firefox (or what is reported as such, when the default is really properly functioning Chrome) to Chrome breaks it again
[08:25] <vak> are there any widgets or whatever to see resource load in unity desktop?
[08:25] <scarleo> Severian: What poor security in Chrome are you referring to?
[08:25] <Severian> I'll see if I can install Chrome.  I have started reading the terms of service.
[08:26]  * vak finds unity weird without some usual things like clocks, network indicators, CPU load etc
[08:26] <Severian> scarleo, Chrome is bad in terms of javascript exploits.  Firefox has noscript, but Chrome does not have anything similar, because Chrome does not have the appropriate hooks.
[08:27] <AAA_awright> That's a feature
[08:27] <scarleo> Severian: There is Notscripts in Chrome, works the same way afaik
[08:28] <Severian> scarleo, It does not work nearly as well.  It can't hook in early enough in the page loading in Chrome.
[08:28] <scarleo> Severian: Ok, thanks for the tip
[08:29] <Severian> If I needed to use Chrome, I'd use it, but I still would be uneasy about browsing.
[08:30] <vak> guys?
[08:30] <vak> Don't you use all these indicators?
[08:32] <AAA_awright> Never needed it on the Ubuntu system, I have monitors on all the Gentoo systems for obvious reasons
[08:32] <AAA_awright> But that's a good question
[08:33] <vak> I am trying 11.04 beta and found this absence very uncomfortable
[08:33] <vak> wait
[08:33] <vak> clocks are here now --  so it was a theme bug
[08:34] <vak> my theme was black and white after a few minutes of use, but it is OK for beta though
[08:34] <vak> well
[08:34] <vak> but I need CPU load etc at glance...
[08:35] <Severian> vak, I miss that as well in Unity
[08:35] <AAA_awright> Oh, I do have the display/monitor indicator, and sometimes instead of the monitor icon it displays the wireless icon
[08:36] <AAA_awright> But if you click it's very clearly shows the monitor orientation menu
[08:36] <vak> Severian: So, you indirectly confirm it absent. I see. It's a pity
[08:36] <AAA_awright> No clue what that's about
[08:36] <vak> ok
[08:36]  * vak gets back to work
[08:37] <Severian> There is a gnome applet called System Monitor.  Before Unity, I aways added it and it shows a little chart of CPU load.  It is quite handy.
[08:40] <vak> Severian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1701139
[08:42] <Severian> vak, I had no expectation that Gnome applets would run in Unity.  I have 3 I loaded on every machine and I'll miss them.  Of couse, maybe I won't use Unity.  I am still testing and have not decided.
[08:44] <zniavre_> you can use conky or screenlets to display stuff like that no ?
[08:46] <Severian> zniavre_, Conky can do most of that.  I don't think it works as well. and it isdifficilt to setup.  Finally, who knows if it works with compiz, which Unity uses?
[08:46] <zniavre_> conky can works with unity (at least unity-2d)
[08:51] <ecolitan> hello
[08:52] <bazhang> !info firefox
[08:52] <bazhang> ecolitan, ^
[08:52] <ecolitan> oh thanks bazhang
[08:52] <bazhang> welcome
[08:52] <Severian> zniavre_, I'll try it sometime, I expect.  Conky worked pretty well in Chrunchbang, but I was never happy with a conky setup on Ubuntu.  I probably never got the config just right.
[08:54] <zniavre_> http://i.imgur.com/GbLXn.png
[08:54] <zniavre_> there is a way with unity-2d to get panels a bit translucide ?
[09:01] <bpr> i just installed an 11.04 build and "alt-f" doesn't skip forward one word.  Does anyone have any ideas why this would be?
[09:25] <Severian> AAA_awright, I am about 2 thirds through the terms of service.  I can say I would not use Chrome on my own behalf.  There are several problems, but clause 20.3 is a deal killer for me.
[09:39] <Severian> AAA_awright, Sorry, I can't install Chrome to test for you.  The Adobe additional terms are just not acceptable and would legally bind me in a way I can't accept.
[10:08] <bpr> does anyone know why alt-f doesn't skip forward one word in natty?
[10:58] <wompydompy> Hi. I'm using an up-to-date alpha-version and the whole system freezes from time to time. I know how to make a bug report when a program crashes, but is there any manual on how to handle a whole system crash? I thought about reading out logs etc, because at the time i don't know which component crashes..
[11:15] <BUGabundo> o/
[11:17] <Severian> wompydompy, When you say it freezes, what do you mean.  I have had X freeze.  I can still ssh to the machine and run commands.  X seems unusually crashy in Natty, but that is probably related to compiz or 3d in some way.
[11:21] <wompydompy> Severian: Im not sure if its only the x-system. I havent got a 2nd Computer here to test ssh, but for example i am not able to switch to the terminal via Ctrl+Alt+F1..
[11:22] <wompydompy> i thought it might relate to the 3D-driver,but im using Classic Desktop without effects, but it still freezes..
[11:23] <Severian> I don't really understand people with only single digit number of computers.  I'll try switch virtual terminals next time it happens.
[11:23] <Severian> switch -> switching
[11:23] <wompydompy> merci
[11:24] <susundberg> also ctrl+alt+sysrq might be worth of trying
[11:24] <susundberg> http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm
[11:24] <susundberg> oh there is no ctrl on that?
[11:25] <susundberg> -- Alt+SysRq+r takes keyboard and mouse control from the X server.
[11:25] <susundberg> try that and then the ctrl + alt + f1
[11:27] <Severian> OK, I see SysRQ printed in green on the edge of one key.  I don't know what to press to actually get it.  Do I press shift or something?  I have an old IBM model 102, I think they are called.
[11:31] <arand_> Well, the best thing you can do is just try it and see what works, Alt+sysreq, Alt+Fn+sysreq, Alt+Cmd+sysreq, or whatever modifier keys your board has...
[11:40] <Severian> Interesting.  Nattyy sets the sysrq to 1 by default.  My maverick machines default to 0.
[11:44] <wompydompy> impressive.. i got a german keyboard and i never saw the little "S-Abf"..i'll try it during the next freeze. Thanks@ Severian and arand
[11:57] <jml> anyone having problems with Gmail in Chrome?
[11:57] <jml> I seem to have lost a critical number of controls
[12:03] <BUGabundo> jml: define probs
[12:03] <BUGabundo> I lost desktop notifications in chromium 12
[12:03] <BUGabundo> but you know Ubuntu doesn't support "chrome" binnaries
[12:03] <jml> yeah
[12:03] <BUGabundo> FYI http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=77106
[12:04] <jml> I know they aren't supported, but I'm not having any luck w/ google searching. I guess I should see if Chromium has the same bug.
[12:04] <BUGabundo> why not use chromium?
[12:04] <BUGabundo> at least you get some support
[12:04] <jml> BUGabundo: probs are that the Gmail logo, the search bar and the google apps top bar are all not rendering
[12:05] <jml> BUGabundo: in general, Chrome works better so I need support less. (Or at least did last time I was experimenting with browsers)
[12:06] <BUGabundo> they are the same
[12:06] <BUGabundo> its mostly build differences
[12:09] <jml> and yet one has the rendering bug and the other does not
[12:11] <BUGabundo> I'm on 12.0.711.0 (78963) Ubuntu 11.04 and its mostly fine
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: it works
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> nut the notification stays there
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> I have it too
[12:18] <BUGabundo> I can't even disable them
[12:18] <BUGabundo> see chrome://settings/contentExceptions#notifications
[12:40] <unity_supporter> Does anyone know whethet the x-team is going to revert the intel i845 graphic driver back to intel or it is going to be fbdev like maverick (the mail archive is empty)?
[12:44] <yofel> unity_supporter: you should ask that in #ubuntu-x
[12:56] <coz_> hey all
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[13:10] <zniavre> good afternoon > i got unity-2d launcher s broken , how to relaunch it without reloging please ?
[13:15] <coz_> zniavre,  mm that's a good one...  I would try unity-2d --replace   just to see if it works :)
[13:18] <andrei__> hello
[13:18] <andrei__> I have a question
[13:18] <andrei__> for a mac do we have to use the iso image from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[13:32] <BluesKaj>  hmmm, amarok is finally working ...again . Wonder for how long ...
[13:35] <andrei__> for a mac do we have to use the iso image from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[13:43] <gnomefreak> andrei__: i think we moved mac isos somewhere else. if you can give me a few minutes i can find it
[13:43] <andrei__> ok thanks
[13:46] <gnomefreak> andrei__: i think this is it. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:47] <gnomefreak> i could have sworn we moved them/downgraded them
[13:49] <andrei__> thats good thanks
[13:49] <andrei__> because I tried with the amd 64 and it did not work
[13:50] <andrei__> today I saw that there is one with +mac so i'm gonna try this one
[13:51] <andrei__> for 2 OSes do I need refit or bootcamp will do? I havent installed only 2 OSes on a mac
[13:52] <bjsnider> i see that firefox 4 has now completely ripped off chrome too
[13:53] <bjsnider> everybody's ripping off chrome these days
[14:10] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, well, at least FF integrates with desktop font settings so the tabs and toolbars can be read on large monitors without binoculars :)
[14:10] <bjsnider> it still sucks on linux
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ff4 has been freezing on natty
[14:16] <gnomefreak> none of the firefox versions i have freeze, they work fine here but i also have a powerful pc
[14:16] <BluesKaj> like chrome a lot but I wish it's look was more configurable for my large monitor...I use our plasma tv as a monitor for our media server pc , which I like to use to surf and chat on as well.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> chrome's webpage font settings work great, just the tab and bookmarkbar fonts aren't configurable to a larger size ..it's frustrating
[14:20] <gnomefreak> is anyone else haveing issues with icedtea+javascript?
[14:21] <gnomefreak> icedtea-plugin
[14:22] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, give us a URL
[14:23] <BluesKaj> not using icedtea-plugin here
[14:25] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: enigmail.mozdev.org/download/download-static.php.html
[14:32] <gnomefreak> any luck?
[15:50] <kim0> Hi folks, just letting you know "Ubuntu Cloud Days" starting in 10mins in #ubuntu-classroom .. Thanks
[16:09] <hasenj> Hey, question: can I make the unity launcher always on?
[16:12] <cdbs> hasenj: Yes you can. The setting is in CCSM
[16:14] <hasenj> cdbs: where exactly?
[16:14] <hasenj> I don't see a "unity" entry in ccsm anymore
[16:14] <cdbs> hasenj: In CompizConfig Settings Manager
[16:14] <cdbs> really?
[16:14] <cdbs> Its there
[16:14] <hasenj> yea :/
[16:14] <hasenj> was it under utility or something?
[16:14] <cdbs> hasenj: Its in the Desktop section now
[16:15] <hasenj> nope, not there
[16:15] <hasenj> for me anyways
[16:15] <hasenj> I'll try to restart and see
[16:15] <hasenj> I did several updates without restart
[16:15] <hasenj> brb
[16:26] <hasenj> it's funny, looks like the unity package was somehow uninstalled
[16:26] <hasenj> had to install it again
[16:28] <Norbert> hi
[16:34] <ikonia> hello
[16:36] <Norbert> wish for ubuntu
[17:15] <MarconM> who liked unity on ubuntu 11.04
[17:23] <genii-around> MarconM: Looks like the jury is still out
[17:24] <MarconM> genii-around: hunmnmnm....but do u prefer gnome or unity
[17:24] <genii-around> MarconM: I prefer KDE
[17:25] <MarconM> genii-around: i dont like KDE
[17:25] <MarconM> genii-around: crash a lot
[17:26] <genii-around> MarconM: The Natty Kubuntu has been fairly stable for me so far. Nothing like the KDE3-KDE4 transition.
[17:27] <MarconM> genii-around: i use gnome here ... but i have netbook i installed lxde looks good for me
[17:28] <genii-around> MarconM: Anyhow.. on my netbook I do have Unity but no gnome, XFCE is my other desktop there which I use more
[17:28] <MarconM> genii-around: i dont know XFCE yet
[17:32] <kklimonda> MarconM: I like Unity, but it's too slow
[17:32] <MarconM> kklimonda: yes agree
[17:33] <MarconM> kklimonda: wich you use ?? KDE too
[17:33] <kklimonda> no, standard gnome
[17:37] <nlsthzn> My natty is fully updates and I just noticed that my Applications and FIles&Folders lens's drop down list on the right isn't working
[17:37] <nlsthzn> it drops down but I can't select from it
[17:37] <MarconM> kklimonda: ok me too
[17:37] <nlsthzn> it selects the icon below the dropdown list
[17:45] <nlsthzn> will try again tomorrow (or the forum) :) cheers all
[17:46] <bjsnider> kklimonda, what about gnome-shell ? is that faster than unity?
[17:50] <kklimonda> bjsnider: yeah, there is something wrong with the closed nvidia driver.
[17:58] <rocky1> while not strictly a natty question... does anyone know if there's some sort of plugin or something that would let me bookmark pages in a pdf using the standard ubuntu/gnome pdf viewer?
[18:00] <hoangnn> clear ALL
[18:16] <Zuhaitz> Hi
[18:17] <Zuhaitz> Is posible to configure unity dock?
[18:27] <pedza> hey
[18:27] <pedza> :)
[18:27] <pedza> how can one make their top panel transparent in natty? XD
[18:29] <Zuhaitz> Is posible to configure unity dock?
[18:30] <trism> pedza: in ccsm, select the unity plugin, and on the experimental page there is a Panel Opacity option
[18:30] <pedza> gratzie :)
[18:32] <pedza> also how can i integrate a show desktop widget?\
[18:33] <Zuhaitz> ccsm what is that
[18:33] <pedza> compiz
[18:33] <trism> Zuhaitz: compizconfig-settings-manager, you can find it in the system settings menu when it is installed
[18:33] <Zuhaitz> ok
[18:34] <Zuhaitz> and is posible to configure the dock?
[18:34] <Zuhaitz> i really dont like it, is annoying
[18:34] <Zuhaitz> dont work as it should
[18:34] <Zuhaitz> the way it should
[18:34] <Zuhaitz> I want it alltime there, not coming and going
[18:35] <Zuhaitz> dont do that the way it should
[18:35] <Zuhaitz> and sometimes is over the window, and i cant see the window
[18:35] <Zuhaitz> so I prefer it to be limited with the window border all the time
[18:35] <Zuhaitz> as the panel
[18:35] <Zuhaitz> is posible
[18:35] <Zuhaitz> is it posible?
[18:39] <trism> Zuhaitz: yes there is an option in ccsm to keep the dock there all the time (I enable it too)
[18:39] <Zuhaitz> what is the command for ccsm?
[18:40] <trism> Zuhaitz: make sure you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed and in the logout/shutdown menu in the panel, there is a System Settings option at the end, with compiz config near the top of that window
[18:40] <Zuhaitz> yep
[18:40] <Zuhaitz> i see
[18:50] <cmyrland> What's the best way to file a bug in unity launcher?
[18:51] <cmyrland> should I file it as a "unity" or "unity-window-decorator" bug?
[18:51] <yofel> run ubuntu-bug -w, then click on the launcher
[18:51] <cmyrland> okay
[18:53] <cmyrland> Heh, found a new bug by doing so.
[18:53] <cmyrland> Compiz crashed badly when the ubuntu-bug -w couldn't identify what I clicked on
[18:54] <cmyrland> yofel, ubuntu-bug -w doesn't work on the launcher. Maybe that's a bug too?
[18:55] <yofel> meh
[18:56] <yofel> cmyrland: take the long way of finding the right package https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Applications
[18:56] <yofel> the any instructions is what apport is supposed to do with -w, no idea why that would crash
[18:57] <cmyrland> anyway, my first bug was that the unity launcher sometimes forgets to hide. It seems like there is a crash, because it often gets "solid", as in not transparent when that happens. MY quick fix for that is to launch TomBoy and drag the tomboy window over the launcher. Then it pops back.
[18:57] <matt__> When is 11.04 being released?  April 28th?  Any idea on the beta release?  At one point is it okay to upgrade without major bugs impacting?
[18:58] <yofel> !schedule | matt__
[18:58] <cmyrland> matt__, to have a minimum of bugs you should wait for final ;) Other than that the current builds work just fine for me.
[18:59] <yofel> matt__: and the milestone release notes have a list of known issues, read that then decide if it's worth to try it
[18:59] <matt__> thanks!
[19:26] <bullgard4> Banshee 1.9.5 includes a default smart playlist "Recently played." It is not mentioned in http://library.gnome.org/users/banshee/1.8/ . How is "recently" defined here?
[19:30] <hasenj> question/problem: sometimes the sound from flash videos is accompanies by weird noises, anyone experienced a similar issue?
[19:32]  * genii-around notes the "1.8" and not "1.9.5" in the url
[19:36] <Daekdroom> !info flashplugin-installer
[19:36] <Daekdroom> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[19:36] <hiromi> Hey how do I make broadcom work?
[19:44] <hiromi> Nobody knows how to use broadcom wireless on the Alpha?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[20:57] <hiromi> can anyone help me with broadcom wireless drivers?
[21:02] <hiromi> nobody knows how to fix this?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> !broadcom | hiromi
[21:13] <hiromi> what is up with this clicking problem... sometimes clicking works, sometimes not
[21:30] <bullgard4> Cannot Distribution update > Partial System Upgrade. During »Changes are calculated« a dialog window without any contents appears which I cannot get rid of. --  Is this a known bug?
[21:34] <bazhang> bullgard4, it most certainly sounds like a bug.
[21:34] <bullgard4> yes.
[21:37] <hiromi> It seems that I cannot connect to wifi for long... it just reconnects constantly
[21:39] <hiromi> I cannot install the STA which I what I need actually
[21:42] <bullgard4> hiromi: Analyze /var/log/dmesg.0.
[21:45] <hiromi> when I install bcmwl-kernel-source it gives me this: Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
[21:45] <hiromi> kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
[21:50] <ChrisBuchholz> Will natty get integration for the "in the panel app menubar" thing for Qt apps?
[21:57] <AAA_awright> Libreoffice is exporting PDFs that's not embedding fonts correctly or something, Bitstream Charter showed up as dots and "couldn't be read" or something on my Windows reader, is there some non-standard font configuration going on? It works perfectly fine on the previous "release" and on my Gentoo desktop
[22:00] <charlie-tca> this is the first release with LibreOffice, so it might be a bug in it