[00:23] where're all the creative minds [00:43] jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UGJDay :) [00:49] nigelb: nice lineup [00:56] head_victim: :) [07:26] good morning [07:33] o/ [07:37] morning dholbach :) [07:38] dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJamBootcamp :) [07:52] hi nigelb [07:52] nigelb, NICE [07:54] dholbach: :) [07:54] morning ara :) [08:06] morning nigelb [08:13] Morning [08:13] dholbach: nigelb ara o/ [08:13] hey kim0 [08:18] hey kim0 [08:20] Enjoying nice sun rays everywhere :) [08:21] * kim0 remembers "Sun" ray product .. Awesome name if u ask me [08:34] hola kim0 :) [08:34] mornign dpm :) [08:34] dpm: howdy [08:46] morning kim0, morning nigelb! === daker_ is now known as daker [11:32] akgraner: want new AW 03 ? [11:47] dholbach: is the mindmap you used during UDS-N packaging sessions on line anywhere? It was the one you used to show all the different areas of Ubutnu Dev. [11:47] hang on [11:49] duanedesign, http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/Things%20to%20learn.png [11:49] :) [11:49] thank you [11:49] de nada [11:50] dholbach: in the last few weeks we have had in increase in the number of people signing up for the Beginners Team who are interested in development [11:51] nice [11:51] we need to talk about screencasts :) [11:51] dholbach: We need more mentors experienced in Ubuntu Development [11:52] mentoring is a hard topic [11:52] mostly everyone who does development is busy doing development [11:53] right [11:53] you can talk to huats about that [11:54] ok, thank you [11:54] i am here :) [11:55] hello huats [11:55] Hi duanedesign [11:56] huats: i was just mentioning to daniel that the Beginners Team has had an increase in the number of people interested in Ubuntu Development [11:57] duanedesign, I can imagine that ! [11:57] duanedesign, currently the mentoring effort is almost stopped [11:57] huats: i am worried that we do not have enough mentors to help these people [11:57] I have try several times to restart it [11:57] but without success so far... [11:58] it is the main problem... [12:01] we have been working with the bug squad to better integrate the Beginners Team with their existing mentoring efforts. More or less unifying the two. [12:02] huats: do you think a similar process with the MOTU mentoring program could help? [12:02] duanedesign, why ot [12:02] at least we could try it... [12:03] * duanedesign nods [12:16] dholbach: we need to get busy on some screencasts :) [12:16] \o/ [12:16] dholbach: i noticed you added to the packaging guide [12:16] :) [12:17] my first sttempt got derailed with some problems I had with testdrive [12:35] huats: ok if i email you about the mentoring? [12:49] sure duanedesign [12:50] sounds great, thanks [14:24] duanedesign, we do [14:24] duanedesign, which topics do you think we should cover first? [14:37] dholbach: i was thinking. Getting set-up and Finding opportunities for the first one [14:38] duanedesign, what about the "general introduction to ubuntu development"? it'd be more a video than a screencast, but how do you feel about it? [14:40] dholbach: that would be cool if we could make some nice graphics. [14:41] hum, how do we best do that? [14:41] dholbach: i have not made any animations on Linux. I have made plenty for work using flash(though I would want to use opensource software) [14:42] dholbach: I need a good picture of dylan mccall, do you have anything embarrassing? [14:42] duanedesign, another option would be to DO a screencast, but show a presentation in libreoffice [14:43] I have to tweet that one :P [14:43] jcastro, just a sec [14:45] dholbach: yes that would probably be good way to handle it [14:46] duanedesign, ok, I'm happy to work on that one as I'm working on presentation material anyway [14:46] duanedesign, shall we start a thread about the others ones to come up with "scripts" for the videocasts? [14:48] dholbach: some input on the seperating of the contents into managable chunks would be helpful [14:48] great [14:48] there's a ubuntu-screencasts mailing list right? [14:49] there is [14:49] dholbach: maybe once we start getting more specific with creating a script it will be more obvious [14:49] I'm happy to start the conversation [14:49] sounds good [14:50] so is it ubuntu-screencasts@lists.u.c? [14:50] Ubuntu-screencasts@lists.ubuntu.com [14:50] :P [14:51] * dholbach nods [14:51] i guess a simple yes would have worked [14:51] on it [14:51] :) [14:53] dholbach: we have a call today right? [14:53] jcastro, 7m, no? [14:54] duanedesign, sent [14:55] duanedesign, I'll let you know once I'm done with the presentation material === jono is now known as Guest31382 [14:59] hey Guest31382 [15:01] dholbach, kim0, jcastro, dpm all set? [15:01] yep [15:01] yeah! [15:02] yep! [15:02] one sec [15:02] yeah [15:04] jono_: hey [16:01] jono_: you'll have a new dee in 11.04 in about an hour, when you get that, upgrade, log out/in, and the lens should work [16:03] jcastro, ok [16:03] cool [16:03] "unity" in a terminal will also work, it just restarts unity [16:03] if you don't want to lose work, etc. [16:03] <--- off to lunch now [16:07] jcastro: can you fix the issue I have where unity just freezes :( [16:09] czajkowski: see your sound bug updated? [16:09] czajkowski: the new compiz upload should fix that [16:09] czajkowski: let me guess, crashing all weekend? [16:10] jcastro, compiz has been held back for a few days [16:10] is that normal? [16:11] it was held back until last night [16:11] but it all needs to rebuild again [16:11] ok cool === jono_ is now known as jono [16:11] which will trigger another unity rebuild probably [16:12] so basically today is like a thursday, all new things [16:12] queue is about an hour on the builders, so say .... 3 hours or so before it's all sorted? [16:13] <--- ok lunch for real now [16:13] BARK BARK JCASTRO BARK BARK HELLO! [16:13] (only did that to see if I could get you back to the keyboard away from your lunch) [16:13] /nick evilpopey [16:15] jcastro, so new unity today? [16:21] popey: no.... [16:21] jcastro: it's been like this since I installed it over a week ago. will do some updates and see if it imporoves [16:24] czajkowski: there's been a comment on your bug [16:24] today [16:24] popey: got a link.. please :( [16:24] sure [16:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734427 [16:25] Launchpad bug 734427 in alsa-driver "[Realtek ALC660-VD] upgrade from Maverick to Natty causes loss of sound" [Undecided,Incomplete] [16:25] pasuspender -- speaker-test -D plughw:Intel -c 2 -t sine [16:25] wants you to run that [16:28] aye wqill do that tonight [16:30] popey: thanks [16:30] np [16:31] the really annoying thing I find in natty atm is when I got to power down I keep hitting the other button where shut down used to be [16:31] and also my default browser has changed to FF [16:39] change it back [16:40] I shouldnt have to on an upgrade it should go changing my defaults >:( [16:40] mhall119: but yes will have to [16:40] I think it's something with the new FF4 package, I've seen others complain about it too [16:41] possibly someone, in their haste to package it as soon as possible, didn't take it into account [16:42] jono: it's just a rebuild [16:42] jcastro, ok cool [16:42] jono: when they upload a new compiz there's some ABI thing or something C++ blah blah [16:42] so not pulling from trunk? [16:42] it makes me head spin [16:42] not until thursday [16:43] but it's the same as thursday as in "your entire desktop will get upgraded today" [16:43] np [16:44] so I went to the farmer's market to get a salad [16:44] because I want to eat healthier [16:44] http://www.mini-babybel.com/ [16:44] but I just had to have these so I bought a bag. [16:45] anyway cheese is amazing, that's all I have to add [17:03] we have those in our fridge [17:04] and usually it falls to me to construct a small man out of the wax once the cheese is eaten [17:04] we had cheese for tea last night. just got a round of brie, put it in the oven (in its bamboo pot and some foil) and baked it for 30 mins ish [17:04] then oozed it all over crackers [17:04] \o/ cheese [17:04] nom [17:09] alrightie - I'll call it a day - see you all tomorrow - HUGS! [17:10] UCD rocking with 220 attendees .. lovely :) [17:10] * dholbach hugs kim0 [17:10] good work! [17:10] * kim0 hugs dholbach back [17:11] Thanks everyone for the help [17:11] kim0, :-) [17:19] jcastro: salad? what is this salad you speak of? [17:19] :) [17:20] Technoviking: well, it did have meat on it. [17:21] heh [17:25] * czajkowski had wild bore at the weekend [17:25] rather chewy and tasty [17:27] * Technoviking is buying a new gas/wood smoker combo grill this weekend. === daker is now known as daker_ [18:22] who's on 11.04? [18:24] Technoviking: i love my smoker [20:58] hah [20:58] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/unity-2d/3.8-0ubuntu1 [20:58] best. changelog. ever. [20:59] jcastro: I'm on 11.04 [20:59] lovely [20:59] I'll have a lens for you in a minute! [20:59] lens? [20:59] a dash thing [20:59] what were called places [21:01] ok [21:12] see! [21:12] seeeee! [21:13] noooo [21:14] * popey reboots into 11.04 [21:42] bah [21:47] popey: sup [21:47] ok 11.04 folks [21:47] ppa:askubuntu-tools/ppa [21:47] add that [21:47] and then install unity-place-askubuntu [21:48] and then log out and back in (or restart unity with "unity" in the command line) [21:48] and you should be set! [21:48] al;t-tab crashes unity [21:52] Joeb454: around? [21:52] and/or Technoviking [21:53] popey: czajkowski: ahh, compiz updates show up for me [21:53] this is supposed to fix all that [21:53] i updated mine just now [21:55] jcastro: what's up? [21:55] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712630 [21:55] suggestions for this ranch hand guy? [21:56] I mean, I could reply with "where are your bug reports?" [21:56] then he'll say he has none [21:56] and even though I want to flame the guy for acting like an asshole maybe someone can talk to him? [21:57] Basically he just trolls every Natty thread with his problems, but it's not condusive to fixing people's problems [21:57] I can appreciate it doesn't work for him but he's really not helping anyone other than just making me hate reading [21:57] jcastro: I'll try and think up a nice reply but get you're point across [21:58] I am pretty sure most of his problems are pebkac [21:58] thats a little unfair [22:02] popey: what's a little unfair? [22:02] pebkac [22:02] i have machines that flat out dont boot 10.04, thats not pebkac [22:02] which is most of the point he's making [22:03] jono: we skyping ? [22:03] * Joeb454 nods. I can agree there, but he could make his point better without being quite so passive-aggressive [22:03] sure [22:03] czajkowski, it was an hour ago wasnt it? [22:04] always at 10 no ? [22:04] czajkowski, just give me a sec and I will be free [22:04] no bother [22:04] popey: well the guy is always posting his crackrock; I didn't just judge him based on that one post. It's his posting history [22:05] ok, i only looked at that thread, sorry. [22:05] one of those "well that never works so what you do is remove half the OS...." kinda things [22:06] right [22:11] his posts aren't over any sort of line, but I agree they could be better [22:12] they're quite passive-aggressive at the minute. I imagine the reply to my actions will be less passive, sadly :( [22:13] right [22:14] I'm just saying, who would want to be involved in that discussion? [22:14] he's derailed the thread, and his problems have nothing to do with the topic [22:14] it's the same thing we have in ubuntu-users, people not technically violating the CoC, but doing just enough to ruin participating for people [22:16] it's difficult to deal with. In fact, it's the one part of the forum I dislike the most, having to deal with cases like that. A lot of people can't see what they're doing, and you have to word everything so carefully to avoid the response you don't want to get [22:16] but yeah, it does spoil it for others, at the end of the day [22:18] Joeb454: right, on the other hand you have people who are like "it's sad that ubuntu developers don't read the forums" [22:18] well gee, I wonder why! :) [22:19] 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other ;) [22:19] there's partial blame on both sides of that, IMO [22:20] well, blame isn't the right word [22:23] * jcastro blames popey [22:26] popey: are you in the same position as me? Most of the staff blame me if anything happens to the forum [22:29] Joeb454: popey's in the same position, but for the entire project. [22:29] buttons on the left, popey. [22:30] czajkowski: almost done building [22:31] when it's done just a normal upgrade should bring it in [22:32] good morning :) [22:36] yay [22:39] popey: are you on 11.04? [22:39] czajkowski's getting a crash but I suspect her mirror is out o date