[00:23] <nigelb> where're all the creative minds
[00:43] <nigelb> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UGJDay :)
[00:49] <head_victim> nigelb: nice lineup
[00:56] <nigelb> head_victim: :)
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:33] <duanedesign> o/
[07:37] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[07:38] <nigelb> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJamBootcamp :)
[07:52] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:52] <dholbach> nigelb, NICE
[07:54] <nigelb> dholbach: :)
[07:54] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[08:06] <ara> morning nigelb
[08:13] <kim0> Morning
[08:13] <kim0> dholbach: nigelb ara o/
[08:13] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:18] <nigelb> hey kim0
[08:20] <kim0> Enjoying nice sun rays everywhere :)
[08:21]  * kim0 remembers "Sun" ray product .. Awesome name if u ask me
[08:34] <nigelb> hola kim0 :)
[08:34] <nigelb> mornign dpm :)
[08:34] <kim0> dpm: howdy
[08:46] <dpm> morning kim0, morning nigelb!
[11:32] <czajkowski> akgraner: want new AW 03 ?
[11:47] <duanedesign> dholbach: is the mindmap you used during UDS-N packaging sessions on line anywhere? It was the one you used to show all the different areas of Ubutnu Dev.
[11:47] <dholbach> hang on
[11:49] <dholbach> duanedesign, http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/Things%20to%20learn.png
[11:49] <duanedesign> :)
[11:49] <duanedesign> thank you
[11:49] <dholbach> de nada
[11:50] <duanedesign> dholbach: in the last few weeks we have had in increase in the number of people signing up for the Beginners Team who are interested in development
[11:51] <dholbach> nice
[11:51] <dholbach> we need to talk about screencasts :)
[11:51] <duanedesign> dholbach: We need more mentors experienced in Ubuntu Development
[11:52] <dholbach> mentoring is a hard topic
[11:52] <dholbach> mostly everyone who does development is busy doing development
[11:53] <duanedesign> right
[11:53] <dholbach> you can talk to huats about that
[11:54] <duanedesign> ok, thank you
[11:54] <huats> i am here :)
[11:55] <duanedesign> hello huats
[11:55] <huats> Hi duanedesign
[11:56] <duanedesign> huats: i was just mentioning to daniel that the Beginners Team has had an increase in the number of people interested in Ubuntu Development
[11:57] <huats> duanedesign, I can imagine that !
[11:57] <huats> duanedesign, currently the mentoring effort is almost stopped
[11:57] <duanedesign> huats: i am worried that we do not have enough mentors to help these people
[11:57] <huats> I have try several times to restart it
[11:57] <huats> but without success so far...
[11:58] <huats> it is the main problem...
[12:01] <duanedesign> we have been working with the bug squad to better integrate the Beginners Team with their existing mentoring efforts. More or less unifying the two.
[12:02] <duanedesign> huats: do you think a similar process with the MOTU mentoring program could help?
[12:02] <huats> duanedesign, why ot
[12:02] <huats> at least we could try it...
[12:03]  * duanedesign nods
[12:16] <duanedesign> dholbach: we need to get busy on some screencasts :)
[12:16] <popey> \o/
[12:16] <duanedesign> dholbach: i noticed you added to the packaging guide
[12:16] <duanedesign> :)
[12:17] <duanedesign> my first sttempt got derailed with some problems I had with testdrive
[12:35] <duanedesign> huats: ok if i email you about the mentoring?
[12:49] <huats> sure duanedesign
[12:50] <duanedesign> sounds great, thanks
[14:24] <dholbach> duanedesign, we do
[14:24] <dholbach> duanedesign, which topics do you think we should cover first?
[14:37] <duanedesign> dholbach: i was thinking. Getting set-up and Finding opportunities for the first one
[14:38] <dholbach> duanedesign, what about the "general introduction to ubuntu development"? it'd be more a video than a screencast, but how do you feel about it?
[14:40] <duanedesign> dholbach: that would be cool if we could make some nice graphics.
[14:41] <dholbach> hum, how do we best do that?
[14:41] <duanedesign> dholbach: i have not made any animations on Linux. I have made plenty for work using flash(though I would want to use opensource software)
[14:42] <jcastro> dholbach: I need a good picture of dylan mccall, do you have anything embarrassing?
[14:42] <dholbach> duanedesign, another option would be to DO a screencast, but show a presentation in libreoffice
[14:43] <nigelb> I have to tweet that one :P
[14:43] <dholbach> jcastro, just a sec
[14:45] <duanedesign> dholbach: yes that would probably be good way to handle it
[14:46] <dholbach> duanedesign, ok, I'm happy to work on that one as I'm working on presentation material anyway
[14:46] <dholbach> duanedesign, shall we start a thread about the others ones to come up with "scripts" for the videocasts?
[14:48] <duanedesign> dholbach: some input on the seperating of the contents into managable chunks would be helpful
[14:48] <dholbach> great
[14:48] <dholbach> there's a ubuntu-screencasts mailing list right?
[14:49] <popey> there is
[14:49] <duanedesign> dholbach: maybe once we start getting more specific with creating a script it will be more obvious
[14:49] <dholbach> I'm happy to start the conversation
[14:49] <duanedesign> sounds good
[14:50] <dholbach> so is it ubuntu-screencasts@lists.u.c?
[14:50] <duanedesign> Ubuntu-screencasts@lists.ubuntu.com
[14:50] <duanedesign> :P
[14:51]  * dholbach nods
[14:51] <duanedesign> i guess a simple yes would have worked
[14:51] <dholbach> on it
[14:51] <duanedesign> :)
[14:53] <jcastro> dholbach: we have a call today right?
[14:53] <dholbach> jcastro, 7m, no?
[14:54] <dholbach> duanedesign, sent
[14:55] <dholbach> duanedesign, I'll let you know once I'm done with the presentation material
[14:59] <dholbach> hey Guest31382
[15:01] <jono_> dholbach, kim0, jcastro, dpm all set?
[15:01] <dholbach> yep
[15:01] <jcastro> yeah!
[15:02] <dpm> yep!
[15:02] <jono_> one sec
[15:02] <kim0> yeah
[15:04] <kim0> jono_: hey
[16:01] <jcastro> jono_: you'll have a new dee in 11.04 in about an hour, when you get that, upgrade, log out/in, and the lens should work
[16:03] <jono_> jcastro, ok
[16:03] <jono_> cool
[16:03] <jcastro> "unity" in a terminal will also work, it just restarts unity
[16:03] <jcastro> if you don't want to lose work, etc.
[16:03] <jcastro> <--- off to lunch now
[16:07] <czajkowski> jcastro: can you fix the issue I have where unity just freezes :(
[16:09] <popey> czajkowski: see your sound bug updated?
[16:09] <jcastro> czajkowski: the new compiz upload should fix that
[16:09] <jcastro> czajkowski: let me guess, crashing all weekend?
[16:10] <jono_> jcastro, compiz has been held back for a few days
[16:10] <jono_> is that normal?
[16:11] <jcastro> it was held back until last night
[16:11] <jcastro> but it all needs to rebuild again
[16:11] <jono_> ok cool
[16:11] <jcastro> which will trigger another unity rebuild probably
[16:12] <jcastro> so basically today is like a thursday, all new things
[16:12] <jcastro> queue is about an hour on the builders, so say .... 3 hours or so before it's all sorted?
[16:13] <jcastro> <--- ok lunch for real now
[16:13] <popey> BARK BARK JCASTRO BARK BARK HELLO!
[16:13] <popey> (only did that to see if I could get you back to the keyboard away from your lunch)
[16:13] <popey>  /nick evilpopey
[16:15] <jono> jcastro, so new unity today?
[16:21] <czajkowski> popey: no....
[16:21] <czajkowski> jcastro: it's been like this since I installed it over a week ago. will do some updates and see if it imporoves
[16:24] <popey> czajkowski: there's been a comment on your bug
[16:24] <popey> today
[16:24] <czajkowski> popey: got a link.. please :(
[16:24] <popey> sure
[16:25] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734427
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 734427 in alsa-driver "[Realtek ALC660-VD] upgrade from Maverick to Natty causes loss of sound" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:25] <popey> pasuspender -- speaker-test -D plughw:Intel -c 2 -t sine
[16:25] <popey> wants you to run that
[16:28] <czajkowski> aye wqill do that tonight
[16:30] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[16:30] <popey> np
[16:31] <czajkowski> the really annoying thing I find in natty atm is when I got to power down I keep hitting the other button where shut down used to be
[16:31] <czajkowski> and also my default browser has changed to FF
[16:39] <mhall119> change it back
[16:40] <czajkowski> I shouldnt have to on an upgrade it should go changing my defaults >:(
[16:40] <czajkowski> mhall119: but yes will have to
[16:40] <mhall119> I think it's something with the new FF4 package, I've seen others complain about it too
[16:41] <mhall119> possibly someone, in their haste to package it as soon as possible, didn't take it into account
[16:42] <jcastro> jono: it's just a rebuild
[16:42] <jono> jcastro, ok cool
[16:42] <jcastro> jono: when they upload a new compiz there's some ABI thing or something C++ blah blah
[16:42] <jono> so not pulling from trunk?
[16:42] <jcastro> it makes me head spin
[16:42] <jcastro> not until thursday
[16:43] <jcastro> but it's the same as thursday as in "your entire desktop will get upgraded today"
[16:43] <jono> np
[16:44] <jcastro> so I went to the farmer's market to get a salad
[16:44] <jcastro> because I want to eat healthier
[16:44] <jcastro> http://www.mini-babybel.com/
[16:44] <jcastro> but I just had to have these so I bought a bag.
[16:45] <jcastro> anyway cheese is amazing, that's all I have to add
[17:03] <popey> we have those in our fridge
[17:04] <popey> and usually it falls to me to construct a small man out of the wax once the cheese is eaten
[17:04] <popey> we had cheese for tea last night. just got a round of brie, put it in the oven (in its bamboo pot and some foil) and baked it for 30 mins ish
[17:04] <popey> then oozed it all over crackers
[17:04] <popey> \o/ cheese
[17:04] <AlanBell> nom
[17:09] <dholbach> alrightie - I'll call it a day - see you all tomorrow - HUGS!
[17:10] <kim0> UCD rocking with 220 attendees .. lovely :)
[17:10]  * dholbach hugs kim0
[17:10] <dholbach> good work!
[17:10]  * kim0 hugs dholbach  back
[17:11] <kim0> Thanks everyone for the help
[17:11] <jono> kim0, :-)
[17:19] <Technoviking> jcastro: salad? what is this salad you speak of?
[17:19] <Technoviking> :)
[17:20] <jcastro> Technoviking: well, it did have meat on it.
[17:21] <Technoviking> heh
[17:25]  * czajkowski had wild bore at the weekend 
[17:25] <czajkowski> rather chewy and tasty
[17:27]  * Technoviking is buying a new gas/wood smoker combo grill this weekend. 
[18:22] <jcastro> who's on 11.04?
[18:24] <mhall119> Technoviking: i love my smoker
[20:58] <jcastro> hah
[20:58] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/unity-2d/3.8-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <jcastro> best. changelog. ever.
[20:59] <czajkowski> jcastro: I'm on 11.04
[20:59] <jcastro> lovely
[20:59] <jcastro> I'll have a lens for you in a minute!
[20:59] <czajkowski> lens?
[20:59] <jcastro> a dash thing
[20:59] <jcastro> what were called places
[21:01] <czajkowski> ok
[21:12] <popey> see!
[21:12] <popey> seeeee!
[21:13] <czajkowski> noooo
[21:14]  * popey reboots into 11.04
[21:42] <popey> bah
[21:47] <czajkowski> popey: sup
[21:47] <jcastro> ok 11.04 folks
[21:47] <jcastro> ppa:askubuntu-tools/ppa
[21:47] <jcastro> add that
[21:47] <jcastro> and then install unity-place-askubuntu
[21:48] <jcastro> and then log out and back in (or restart unity with "unity" in the command line)
[21:48] <jcastro> and you should be set!
[21:48] <popey> al;t-tab crashes unity
[21:52] <jcastro> Joeb454: around?
[21:52] <jcastro> and/or Technoviking
[21:53] <jcastro> popey: czajkowski: ahh, compiz updates show up for me
[21:53] <jcastro> this is supposed to fix all that
[21:53] <popey> i updated mine just now
[21:55] <Joeb454> jcastro: what's up?
[21:55] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712630
[21:55] <jcastro> suggestions for this ranch hand guy?
[21:56] <jcastro> I mean, I could reply with "where are your bug reports?"
[21:56] <jcastro> then he'll say he has none
[21:56] <jcastro> and even though I want to flame the guy for acting like an asshole maybe someone can talk to him?
[21:57] <jcastro> Basically he just trolls every Natty thread with his problems, but it's not condusive to fixing people's problems
[21:57] <jcastro> I can appreciate it doesn't work for him but he's really not helping anyone other than just making me hate reading
[21:57] <Joeb454> jcastro: I'll try and think up a nice reply but get you're point across
[21:58] <jcastro> I am pretty sure most of his problems are pebkac
[21:58] <popey> thats a little unfair
[22:02] <Joeb454> popey: what's a little unfair?
[22:02] <popey> pebkac
[22:02] <popey> i have machines that flat out dont boot 10.04, thats not pebkac
[22:02] <popey> which is most of the point he's making
[22:03] <czajkowski> jono: we skyping ?
[22:03]  * Joeb454 nods. I can agree there, but he could make his point better without being quite so passive-aggressive
[22:03] <popey> sure
[22:03] <jono> czajkowski, it was an hour ago wasnt it?
[22:04] <czajkowski> always at 10 no ?
[22:04] <jono> czajkowski, just give me a sec and I will be free
[22:04] <czajkowski> no bother
[22:04] <jcastro> popey: well the guy is always posting his crackrock; I didn't just judge him based on that one post. It's his posting history
[22:05] <popey> ok, i only looked at that thread, sorry.
[22:05] <jcastro> one of those "well that never works so what you do is remove half the OS...." kinda things
[22:06] <popey> right
[22:11] <Joeb454> his posts aren't over any sort of line, but I agree they could be better
[22:12] <Joeb454> they're quite passive-aggressive at the minute. I imagine the reply to my actions will be less passive, sadly :(
[22:13] <jcastro> right
[22:14] <jcastro> I'm just saying, who would want to be involved in that discussion?
[22:14] <jcastro> he's derailed the thread, and his problems have nothing to do with the topic
[22:14] <jcastro> it's the same thing we have in ubuntu-users, people not technically violating the CoC, but doing just enough to ruin participating for people
[22:16] <Joeb454> it's difficult to deal with. In fact, it's the one part of the forum I dislike the most, having to deal with cases like that. A lot of people can't see what they're doing, and you have to word everything so carefully to avoid the response you don't want to get
[22:16] <Joeb454> but yeah, it does spoil it for others, at the end of the day
[22:18] <jcastro> Joeb454: right, on the other hand you have people who are like "it's sad that ubuntu developers don't read the forums"
[22:18] <jcastro> well gee, I wonder why! :)
[22:19] <Joeb454> 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other ;)
[22:19] <Joeb454> there's partial blame on both sides of that, IMO
[22:20] <Joeb454> well, blame isn't the right word
[22:23]  * jcastro blames popey
[22:26] <Joeb454> popey: are you in the same position as me? Most of the staff blame me if anything happens to the forum
[22:29] <jcastro> Joeb454: popey's in the same position, but for the entire project.
[22:29] <jcastro> buttons on the left, popey.
[22:30] <jcastro> czajkowski: almost done building
[22:31] <jcastro> when it's done just a normal upgrade should bring it in
[22:32] <nigelb> good morning :)
[22:36] <czajkowski> yay
[22:39] <jcastro> popey: are you on 11.04?
[22:39] <jcastro> czajkowski's getting a crash but I suspect her mirror is out o date