[16:02] <mvo> hi
[16:02] <jhunt> howdi
[16:03] <barry> o/
[16:03] <cjwatson> hi
[16:03] <ev> hi
[16:04] <doko_> hi
[16:05]  * cjwatson wonders if robbiew is around
[16:05] <psurbhi> hi
[16:06] <robbiew> o/
[16:06] <robbiew> sorry...lost track of time
[16:06] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is robbiew.
[16:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:06]  * robbiew enabled 11n speed on his Intel wireless adapter
[16:06] <robbiew> un-blacklisted it
[16:06] <robbiew> ....*pretty* good
[16:07] <robbiew> but sometimes I'm dropped...without any visible indication :/
[16:07] <robbiew> beyond no one responding to me on mumble or irc
[16:07] <robbiew> lol
[16:07] <robbiew> okie dokie
[16:08] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:08] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:08] <mvo> Slightly shorter week, took friday
[16:08] <mvo> Apt-clone: add integration with update-manager, add packaging, bootstrap first if restore dir does not exist, fixes in {save,restore}_state, better tests
[16:08] <mvo> Apt-ordering: bug triage over the dpkg issues (I don't like bug triage), able to reproduce only #571030 and only on karmic->lucid (pre-depends ordering bug with openoffice.org)
[16:08] <mvo> Apt: fix issues in the mirror method: used mirror display, InRelease file ahndl\
[16:08] <mvo> ing, per-host randomization, new upload
[16:08] <mvo> auto-upgrade-tester: got a bigger disk in pommerac! apt-clone restore python-all test-image
[16:08] <mvo> Python-apt: help backport maverick python-apt to lucid (for nxvl, lamont)
[16:08] <mvo> Rnr-server: look over aarons usefulness-by-user review
[16:08] <mvo> Software-center: debug/fix crash with new zeitgeist, fix test in pathbar-work-mvo branch, review/merge arrons review-usefulness branch, upload new version
[16:08] <mvo> unatttended-upgrades: upload new version (FFe #729214)
[16:08] <mvo> (done)
[16:09] <robbiew> wow...I'd hate to see how long that list would be if you DID work Friday
[16:09] <robbiew> lol
[16:09] <robbiew> thnx
[16:09] <mvo> barry:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/584357 <- if you are interessted in the few python releated messages from the post-upgrade test
[16:10] <mvo> lol
[16:10] <robbiew> jhunt?
[16:10] <jhunt> Worked on bug 436936. Helped out a bit on bug 737487: this needs more
[16:10] <jhunt> user input before we consider merging I think since (a) I am unable to
[16:10] <jhunt> recreate the problem (some) users are seeing and (b) we need more
[16:10] <jhunt> testers! Got the Upstart vim syntax highlighting accepted by Bram
[16:10] <jhunt> upstream. Appraisal stuff. Fixed initctl2dot (although no MP yet) which
[16:10] <jhunt> is currently broken as a result of the new "emits" Upstart syntax. Wrote
[16:10] <jhunt> as-yet unpublished blog post on visualisation which will be published
[16:10] <jhunt> when the initctl2dot fix is unleashed. Most of my time has been spent
[16:10] <jhunt> investigating chroot bug 728531 (very convoluted debugging).
[16:10] <jhunt> Making progress, but my feeling is that quite a lot needs to change.
[16:10] <jhunt> Begun work on an Upstart intro/cookbook/best-practises guide with Clint:
[16:10] <barry> mvo: thanks.  have you filed any bugs on those?
[16:10] <jhunt> https://launchpad.net/~upstart-documenters. Output is here:
[16:10] <jhunt> http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/cookbook. We are currently
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/cookbook. We are currently
[16:10] <jhunt> collecting content and at an appropriate juncture, I'll perform fix-up
[16:10] <jhunt> and convert it to docbook to gain maximum benefit. We haven't announced
[16:10] <jhunt> it yet as it is still very "raw" (and incomplete), but... err, I guess I
[16:10] <jhunt> just announced it! :-) Comments, suggestions and abuse welcome.
[16:10] <jhunt> EOT
[16:10] <mvo> barry: some old ones, haven't had the time to look prperly
[16:11] <barry> mvo: k, np
[16:11] <psurbhi> jhunt, cool! :)
[16:11] <jhunt> Oops! commen re 737487 needing more work is wrong - that comment refers to 436936.
[16:11] <psurbhi> jhunt, the cookbook looks very useful, thanks!
[16:12] <robbiew> whoohoo for Upstart documentation!!!
[16:12] <mvo> cookbook \o/
[16:12] <jhunt> please let myself + clint have comments, suggestions!! I'd like some more udev examples if you have any for example :)
[16:14] <robbiew> thnx jhunt
[16:14] <robbiew> barry?
[16:14] <barry> mostly recovering from pycon (catching up on email, administrivia, etc.); writing pep 396; looking at pycentral->dhpy2 transitions; done.
[16:15] <robbiew> heh
[16:15] <robbiew> cjwatson: ?
[16:16] <cjwatson> done: RC bug-fixing: grub Xen detection (692691), live-boot dependency tweak (724452), mklibs multiarch (737055), bootchart multiarch (737487), review/sponsoring of vesafb rearrangement (702090), console-setup in chroot (738159), d-i accessibility (739445), grub2 move-mount handling for Wubi (738345, mostly finished)
[16:16] <cjwatson> todo: more RC bug-fixing, at least: plymouth missing text display (728611); performance self-appraisal
[16:16] <cjwatson> --
[16:16] <mvo> impressive list of fixes
[16:16] <cjwatson> [I say "mostly finished" but it has just mysteriously broken; love playing whack-a-mole :-/]
[16:17] <robbiew> indeed...those are some heavy hitter bugs
[16:18] <robbiew> cjwatson: thnx!
[16:18] <robbiew> ev?
[16:18] <ev> Short week; travel from Pycon on Thursday, and then the usual catch up.  Last day of sprinting at Pycon (expanding test coverage in the standard library and fixing bugs in Python 3).  Fixing bugs in ubiquity and partman-auto, attempting to break upgrade/reinstall functionality to surface any bugs.
[16:18] <ev> Using Mock to greatly expand the test coverage in ubiquity. TODO: merge expanded tests branch, fix layout issues on the partitioning page, keep trying to break ubiquity, and write more tests (done)
[16:18] <robbiew> \o/ for expanded test coverage
[16:18] <robbiew> thnx ev
[16:18] <robbiew> doko?
[16:19] <robbiew> PyCon recovery...bootstrap...multiarch...yada yada :P
[16:19] <ev> heh
[16:20] <robbiew> will come back to him
[16:20] <robbiew> psurbhi?
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) Worked on the samba bug 526464 (traced the output logs and wireshark trace - identified where the bug lies and traced some code, before giving up on this)
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) submitted a merge proposal for a mdadm bug: #728435
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) resumed work on event driven initramfs - added support in upstart to chroot and execvp the real root. Ongoing work - rewriting code as per upstart's standards (https://code.launchpad.net/~csurbhi/upstart/upstart-add-pivot-handling) and jhunt's review
[16:20] <psurbhi> *) also wrote a script that overwrites the /etc/fstab in initramfs depending on the kernel command line argument.
[16:20] <psurbhi> (DONE)
[16:21] <cjwatson> the mdadm merge is just waiting for you to address a few small review comments, BTW - if you can still do that today, I can sponsor that fix in time for beta-1
[16:22] <psurbhi> ok
[16:22] <robbiew> thnx psurbhi
[16:22] <psurbhi> cjwatson, i will do that
[16:22] <psurbhi> thanks
[16:22] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:22] <robbiew> Beta 1 freeze tomorrow
[16:23] <robbiew> luckily we now have a Beta 2...so no worries :P
[16:23] <robbiew> heh
[16:23] <robbiew> I'm going to ratchet up my bug involvement...make sure we work on the important ones...and politely push others to updates where possible
[16:24] <cjwatson> could somebody deal with bug 690873?  I'd hoped to, but I'm not sure I'm going to get to it
[16:24] <cjwatson> it's cleaning up a mess that was created towards the end of last year
[16:24] <cjwatson> fairly ugly conffile handling
[16:25] <mvo> I meant to work on this since a couple of days but something came in between everytime, I can give it a shoot tomorrow
[16:25] <cjwatson> many thanks
[16:25] <doko_> robbiew: just for completness:
[16:25] <doko_> came back from PyCon, more porting work, final (?) toolchain updates (robbiew, read "bux fixes"), gcc-4.6 testing before the upstream release, preparing openjdk updates for beta1
[16:25] <robbiew> doko_: ack
[16:25] <robbiew> mvo: thanks sir!
[16:25] <mvo> (responsible for most of the warning in the auto-upgrader-tester currently)
[16:25] <barry> cjwatson: what's the status of that wubi bug?
[16:25] <cjwatson> barry: which one?
[16:25] <robbiew> heh
[16:26] <barry> ;)  let me find the bug number...
[16:26] <cjwatson> barry: bug 693671 you mean?
[16:26] <barry> yep
[16:26] <cjwatson> dead and gone, I'll close out the wubi task now
[16:26] <robbiew> barry: read cjwatson's blog ;)
[16:26] <barry> awesome
[16:26]  * barry will!
[16:26] <ev> (there's also a lovely blog post by cjwatson on it)
[16:27] <robbiew> is there an echo in here?
[16:27] <robbiew> lol
[16:27] <ev> oh, whoops
[16:27] <ev> whatevs
[16:27] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Oneiric
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric
[16:27] <robbiew> I'm slacking on requirements
[16:28] <robbiew> will put out a call to the Server community today...and create a FoundationsTeam wiki page for us to note features we'd like
[16:28] <robbiew> I think allison is also driving a wider Ubuntu community request for features too
[16:28] <robbiew> that will feed into the various teams
[16:28] <doko_> binNMUs ...
[16:28] <wendar> have a post about ready to go to ubuntu devel
[16:28] <robbiew> be sure to send me names of people you had sign up for sponsorship
[16:29] <robbiew> wendar: cool
[16:29] <cjwatson> doko_: we did a complete spec for that in LP a while back, AFAIK it's purely blocked on resources there :-/
[16:29]  * robbiew had to think for a second of who the hell "wendar" was 
[16:29] <robbiew> lol
[16:29] <cjwatson> unless somebody wants to be an LP hacker for a couple of weeks
[16:30] <cjwatson> (oh, speaking of which, we should have data.tar.xz and orig.tar.xz support shortly, once all the bits are rolled out)
[16:31] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB/GoodNews
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB/GoodNews
[16:31] <cjwatson> should've listed that in the lightning round
[16:31] <cjwatson> please look through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs?field.milestone=33574 for anything you can help clear up
[16:32] <mvo> got some really nice fixes for squid-deb-proxy today, contributors/community is just awsome
[16:33] <robbiew> cool
[16:33] <robbiew> multiarch has arrived!!!!
[16:33] <cjwatson> heh, actually using it is tricky due to bug 740072
[16:33] <cjwatson> tends to cause postinsts to fail :-/
[16:34] <jhunt> cjwatson: if you can recreate, could you sanity check my gdm.conf fix on bug 436936?
[16:34] <mvo> *ough* I need to look into this
[16:34] <cjwatson> jhunt: ok, will try ...
[16:34] <cjwatson> (once I clear out laptop state)
[16:34] <robbiew> jhunt: if you are looking for further testers...mdz hits this one :P
[16:35] <jhunt> robbiew: thx! I'll ping him...
[16:36] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:36.
[16:36] <robbiew> thnx all!
[16:36] <barry> thanks!
[16:36] <mvo> thanks!
[16:37] <ev> thanks
[16:37] <jhunt> thx!
[16:37] <jhunt> it's that echo again :)
[16:40] <barry> cjwatson: impressive!
[16:42] <cjwatson> took way too long :-/
[16:42] <cjwatson> not an easy bug
[20:57] <james_w> hi
[20:58] <jelmer> 'evening James
[20:58] <jelmer> How's your week?
[20:58] <barry> hi guys.  hopefully usa@dst hasn't messed us up too much.  starting in 2m
[20:59] <jelmer> barry: Seems about right
[20:59] <jelmer> g'morning poolie
[20:59] <james_w> good thanks jelmer
[20:59]  * slangasek waves
[21:00] <poolie> hi all
[21:00] <CensoredBiscuit> hi all
[21:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is barry.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00] <barry> hi everybody and welcome to this week's udd meeting.  it's been a few weeks, how is everyone?
[21:00] <poolie> good
[21:01] <poolie> it feels like a long time
[21:01] <barry> indeed
[21:01] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[21:01] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110323
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110323
[21:02] <poolie> thanks for chairing, barry
[21:02] <barry> poolie: np!
[21:02] <barry> hi jelmer, james_w.  anybody know if jam is around?
[21:03] <james_w> I don't
[21:03] <barry> shall we jump right in then?
[21:03] <poolie> remember he's in europe now, so this is late at night for him
[21:03] <poolie> like 11pm
[21:03] <poolie> let's go
[21:03] <barry> ah, right
[21:03] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[21:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[21:04] <barry>    * poolie to advertise udd projects to non-staff contributors
[21:04] <barry>  
[21:04] <jelmer> barry: jam was around an hour or so ago but mentioned he was heading out
[21:04] <barry> jelmer: thanks
[21:04] <poolie> i think done
[21:05] <poolie> but if other people have good ideas for how to get more help on it i would welcome them
[21:05] <poolie> or, they can just do it :)
[21:05] <barry> poolie: cool.  related: is bzr participating in gsoc this year?
[21:05] <poolie> no
[21:05] <poolie> i don't think it's a good tradeoff on the whole
[21:06] <barry> okay.  if there were interest, it could be done under the psf umbrella
[21:06] <barry>    * poolie to integrate jml's feedback into lep
[21:06] <barry>  
[21:07] <poolie> yes, done
[21:07] <barry>    * poolie to meet with robbiew re lep
[21:07] <barry>  
[21:08] <poolie> not yet sorry
[21:08] <poolie> carry it over
[21:08] <barry> poolie: will do
[21:08] <barry>    * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports
[21:08] <barry>  
[21:09] <barry> i'm guessing that's to be carried over...
[21:09] <poolie> there was some discussion about them probably needing to be imported to looms
[21:09] <poolie> i'm not sure if jam's action is to do more than that
[21:10] <barry> i'll send him an email to get his status
[21:10] <poolie> ok, good
[21:10] <barry>    * poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling
[21:10] <barry>  
[21:10] <barry> poolie: remind me what bfbip means? ;)
[21:10] <poolie> build from branch into primary
[21:11] <poolie> and i have not done it yet
[21:11] <barry> poolie: ah yes, of course, thanks
[21:11] <poolie> :(
[21:11] <poolie> but i will soon
[21:11] <barry> cool
[21:11] <barry>    * poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[21:11] <barry>  
[21:12] <poolie> !
[21:12] <poolie> thanks for the reminder :)
[21:12] <poolie> jelmer could i hand that off to you?
[21:12] <barry> poolie: np.  i can help with that if you want
[21:13] <poolie> or you, barry?
[21:13] <jelmer> poolie: Yes, sure
[21:13] <barry> jelmer: why don't you and i chat about it tomorrow?
[21:13] <jelmer> barry: sure, sounds good
[21:14] <barry> [ACTION] jelmer and barry to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[21:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jelmer and barry to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[21:14] <barry> that's it for action items
[21:14] <barry> [TOPIC] LEP bfbip
[21:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  LEP bfbip
[21:14] <barry>  * LEP [[https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary]]
[21:14] <barry>  
[21:14] <barry> this is a hold over from our last meeting.  is there much more to say about it?
[21:15] <poolie> the main thing with it now is to schedule a lp squad to actually do it
[21:15] <poolie> the bzr team will help but i think (as does francis) it's going to have enough ongoing work it's better done in house by lp
[21:15] <poolie> we're hopeful it will be the next feature scheduled and therefore be live by uds-o
[21:16] <barry> poolie: sounds good.  i guess in that case we don't need to keep i on the udd agenda.  we can just get updates in the normal lp way or celebrate in aob when it lands
[21:16] <poolie> good idea
[21:16] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Package importer progress
[21:16] <barry>  
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Package importer progress
[21:17] <poolie> we've fixed some more bugs in the importer
[21:17] <poolie> especially in scheduling
[21:17] <poolie> and the number of failures has dipped .. a bit, but not dramatically
[21:17] <barry> [LINK] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[21:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[21:18] <poolie> we got some bug reports about failures from ubuntu devs, which is a good sign
[21:18] <slangasek> there seem to be new bugs always popping up that affect importing of precisely those branches I've touched before :-)
[21:18] <poolie> and they're pulled into our team queues
[21:18] <poolie> hm
[21:18] <poolie> any particular packages or bugs people would like to nominate for attention?
[21:18] <slangasek> gobject-introspection, for me
[21:19] <james_w> that's the one that's waiting on a new bzr being rolled out to jubany
[21:19] <james_w> #1 failure currently I think
[21:20] <poolie> ah, ok
[21:20] <poolie> [action] poolie to talk to mthaddon about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
[21:20] <barry> james_w: is that: 80 packages failed with key AssertionError:<module>:main:find_unimported_versions:check
[21:20] <poolie> i wonder if we can persuade them to deploy from a branch or something
[21:20] <james_w> no, repository.user_url
[21:20] <poolie> james_w do you have an opinion about that?
[21:20] <james_w> not really
[21:21] <barry> [ACTION] poolie to talk to mthaddon about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
[21:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie to talk to mthaddon about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
[21:21] <poolie> or maybe that's charlie
[21:21] <james_w> so perhaps not #1, but #1 growing currently I think
[21:21]  * slangasek nods
[21:21] <barry> i'll write it up as LOSA
[21:22] <barry> any other feedback on the package importer?
[21:23] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Bugs of interest:
[21:23] <barry>  
[21:23] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Bugs of interest:
[21:23] <barry> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[21:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[21:23] <slangasek> I can say that I've been doing a lot of UDD branches over the past month for multiarch, and gobject-introspection was the only out-of-date branch I ran into - great job, guys :)
[21:23] <barry> slangasek: how did you find out it was out of date?
[21:24] <slangasek> barry: I'm in the habit of not trusting the branches at this point and always compare with the archive before I begin work :(
[21:25] <barry> slangasek: yeah.  i see bug 609187 is in the queued column on kanban.  that will help a lot i think
[21:25]  * slangasek nods
[21:25] <poolie> slangasek, thanks for that (both the positives and the specific negative)
[21:25] <poolie> we're all finding the kanban pretty good btw
[21:26] <poolie> it is encouraging some people (though not yet me ;-) to have smaller in progress queues
[21:26] <barry> there are an impressive number of bugs in release and needs release.  that's really awesome
[21:26] <poolie> thanks
[21:27] <poolie> it's been pretty good
[21:27] <poolie> now everybody is back from vacation it should be better :)
[21:27] <poolie> next item?
[21:27] <barry> any other bugs to discuss?
[21:27] <barry> if not...
[21:27] <barry> [TOPIC] aob
[21:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  aob
[21:28] <james_w> none from me
[21:28] <jelmer> I have a question. Now that we've done some FFe's and SRU's I was wondering if there was any guidance on how to do those with UDD?
[21:29] <poolie> oh, we have four rotation candidates; i'm hoping at least one will proceed and start working from our may sprint
[21:29] <jelmer> poolie: W00t. That'd be really nice.
[21:29] <barry> \o/
[21:30] <barry> jelmer: i've done one and iirc it wasn't much of a different workflow, after using a different url to get the code
[21:30] <barry> not much of a data point, but i don't remember any udd-specific issues
[21:31] <jelmer> barry: I guess that means there isn't a particular reason not to use UDD for SRU's at least then; I'll give it a shot next time one comes up.
[21:31] <slangasek> I was surprised to see a UDD merge request the other week for -proposed
[21:31] <jelmer> barry: thanks
[21:31] <slangasek> surprised because it worked, actually :)
[21:31] <barry> slangasek: yay! :)
[21:31] <barry> not strictly udd, but: i want to give a shout out to jam.  python finally switched to mercurial, and there have been a huge number of messages on python-dev about it.  jam's messages always have a very high signal to noise ratio, and i really appreciate his expert involvement
[21:32] <slangasek> barry: how is this supposed to work, in general?  does pushing to a new -proposed branch work yet?
[21:32] <poolie> should be fun for them too
[21:32] <poolie> thanks barry
[21:32] <poolie> barry, prod him to ask you for a 360 review thing
[21:32] <barry> oh, and it makes me *really* appreciate bzr, but more on that in a blog later :)
[21:32] <barry> poolie: i will
[21:33] <barry> slangasek: sadly it was a while ago and i don't remember exactly what i did
[21:34] <slangasek> ok; just wondering if the one that worked worked only because there'd been a previous SRU for that package, so the branch was pre-populated
[21:34] <barry> if/when folks do sru via udd, please do update the wiki with your experience
[21:35] <barry> oh, which reminds me: the udd guide was integrated with the ubuntu packaging guide, so technically the wiki is out of date.  i will take an action item to see if dholbach has published it on the web somewhere and update the wiki documentation to point to the upg as the canonical information
[21:36] <barry> [ACTION] barry to check with dholbach about publishing of upg with udd docs, and update the udd wiki pages
[21:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to check with dholbach about publishing of upg with udd docs, and update the udd wiki pages
[21:36] <barry> there was a little impedance mismatch there, but it was mostly a smooth integration, and we can clean things up as we go
[21:37] <barry> anybody have anything else?
[21:37] <barry> 5
[21:37] <barry> 4
[21:37] <barry> 3
[21:37] <barry> 2
[21:37] <barry> 1
[21:37] <barry> #endmeeting
[21:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:37.
[21:38] <barry> thanks everyone!
[21:38] <james_w> thanks
[21:38] <slangasek> thanks :)
[21:39] <poolie> thanks all