[00:05] <RollingForward> hi
[00:05] <RollingForward> would like to know why i am banned and how to get unbanned at this point in time?
[00:10] <Jordan_U> RollingForward: I think you know exactly why you have been banned, Hoober.
[00:12] <RollingForward> back
[00:13] <elky> And also the chance (really, the non-existance thereof) of getting unbanned.
[00:13] <RollingForward> are you telling me hoober is responsible for this
[00:13] <RollingForward> i think i submitted an email which has a extremely reasonable probability of being read by at least one of you
[00:13] <RollingForward> who do have roles in the standard ops and council
[00:14] <RollingForward> if you tell me only 1 person should deal with this, then it probably is not jordan
[00:14] <RollingForward> can you provide the group decision or do we only have the collective bias of many lonely single people
[00:14] <RollingForward> who are no doubt wronging a single anonymous guy like me
[00:15] <RollingForward> if you don't believe so, then would you lend your ears
[00:16] <RollingForward> i thought so. you are all idle. you are part of the freenode conspiracy. you just are deepily evil and have no problem with cognitive dissonance if most the time you can wank your friends off with pretty sayings
[00:16] <RollingForward> i am trying to real hard to reach you
[00:16] <RollingForward> you have freenode
[00:16] <RollingForward> ubuntu is a large donator
[00:16] <RollingForward> the ops are riding the ubuntu wave of fame, and are on the council
[00:17] <RollingForward> they obviously don't have the time to do the role in ops and council at the same time
[00:17] <RollingForward> i know from experience
[00:17] <RollingForward> but was shouted down everytime
[00:17] <RollingForward> symbolic in your efforts
[00:18] <RollingForward> none of this should be interpreted as a evidence that i am banned currently for the crimes of people you know are me
[00:18] <RollingForward> but that you think are me
[00:18] <RollingForward> i can understand how that reasoning works. but when you squelch me with your converging interests, that is a problem
[00:18] <RollingForward> i cannot drop
[00:34] <IdleOne> RollingForward: seriously?
[00:34] <IdleOne> please stop that
[00:34] <RollingForward> my bad. i am new around here.
[00:36] <RollingForward> has everyone forgotten about me? i would hope so. it wasn't hard for me to disappear
[00:45] <Jordan_U> I think it's clearer in general to just have 'some sentence explaining that you need to run a command, and here it is: sudo foo-bar -baz'
[00:46] <Jordan_U> I've never had someone mistake the ':' for part of the command, and then you don't need any note about (without quotes) or similar.
[00:46] <Pici> Agreed.  I'd also make the suggestion to turn the ; into && though.
[00:47] <IdleOne> !ff4
[00:47] <IdleOne> edit if it needs it :)
[00:48] <Pici> Is the package name for ff4 firefox, or does it need to be installed explicitly?
[00:48] <IdleOne> the package name is firefox and you can go either with upgrade or install firefox
[00:49] <IdleOne> the command in the factoid worked for me
[00:50] <Jordan_U> !no ff4 is <reply> Firefox 4 is the current stable version of Firefox. To install it, use the PPA by running the following command: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:53] <IdleOne> you removed my «  »
[00:53] <IdleOne> :(
[00:54] <Jordan_U> :»)
[00:55]  * nhandler notes that the command will only work if they already have firefox installed
[00:55] <IdleOne> nhandler: they will because firefox is installed by default on ubuntu
[00:56] <IdleOne> unless that got changed also
[00:56] <knome> IdleOne, one can also remove firefox :P
[00:56] <IdleOne> knome: one who removed it should know how to install it
[00:56] <IdleOne> :P
[00:56] <knome> and, you are saying "to INSTALL"
[00:56] <IdleOne> right
[00:56] <IdleOne> ok
[00:56] <knome> you maybe should say "to UPGRADE" then
[00:57] <IdleOne> you people and your understanding of the English language :P
[00:57] <knome> :P
[00:57] <knome> are you sure we aren't just bots
[00:57] <IdleOne> !ff4 =~ s/upgrade/install firefox/
[00:57] <IdleOne> !ff4
[00:58] <IdleOne> better?
[00:58] <knome> mm-hmm
[00:58] <IdleOne> appreciate the info/comments :)
[00:58] <knome> np. glad we can help.
[01:14] <RollingForward> ff4 is RC
[01:14] <RollingForward> a release candidate isn't too convincing.
[01:14] <RollingForward> think of how long ff4 has been in development.
[01:15] <RollingForward> by 11.04 it would be released we hope. so then it is safe to consider stable
[01:16] <RollingForward> many of my addons did not work when i tried their ff4
[01:16] <IdleOne> Thank you for the update. We will take it into consideration and have a vote at our yearly meeting on factoid updating.
[01:17] <RollingForward> yep. just got to wait and all will be good
[01:17] <nhandler> RollingForward: Is there anything else we can help you with?
[01:21] <RollingForward> i want to fit in with the ubuntu community
[01:21] <RollingForward> i don't have friends in real life. been about 9 yeras
[01:21] <RollingForward> so i really would like to be a part of a legit e-community
[01:21] <RollingForward> like ubuntu
[01:23] <RollingForward> i graduated highschool. standard diploma too
[01:24] <nhandler> RollingForward: That is great, but we don't require a diploma to use #ubuntu. Instead, we require people abide by the IRC Guidelines and the Code of Conduct
[01:25] <RollingForward> i can download it. i will even encrypt it
[01:26] <RollingForward> i could also program my own encrypter
[01:27] <nhandler> RollingForward: Signing the Code of Conduct is definitely a start, but you also need to actually follow it.
[01:28] <RollingForward> i am very good at breaking down concepts and logically deducing through each stage of cumulative evolution
[01:28] <RollingForward> like the description. i can take a lot of time reading ti
[01:29] <nhandler> RollingForward: Why don't you apply those skills to reading through the Code of Conduct and IRC Guidelines. You might be able to learn some things from them. It is also a necessary first step if you hope to be able to participate in #ubuntu again in the future.
[01:30] <RollingForward> i will do that. i will even use my PGP keys to send it to my email for when i get home . ttyl
[05:04] <bazhang> is donator even a word?
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> no - donor
[05:48] <Jordan_U> Any advice on what to do about ohsix in #ubuntu? (adamently refusing to use gksudo instead of sudo when instructing other users to run GUI apps as root)
[05:50] <bazhang> Starminn, hi
[05:51] <bazhang> Jordan_U, I'll PM him if you wish
[05:51] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Please do.
[05:51] <Starminn> Hey. Never been to this channel. Knew it was here, just never came. So this is pretty much just where, if you have a serious issue with someone, you express the opinion here?
[05:53] <bazhang> he says he's too busy to discuss. if he continues then I'll follow up via PM, and warn again. hopefully that will do the trick
[05:53] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Do you happen to know in what situations problems will arise with sudo and graphical apps? I admit I don't know the precise cause of the problem but I've dealt with enough users that can't login due to a root owned ~/.ICEauthority (less in recent years though) that I find it hard to believe it's restricted to ssh -X.
[05:54] <bazhang> Jordan_U, I've heard actionparsnip explain it a ton of times, the exactitude slips my mind at the moment
[05:54] <Starminn> Alright, well see ya guys. Thank you for all your fine work. I admire you all for so capably handling so many users all at once, with just the right amount of authority soa s to not scare off others. :) See ya
[06:10] <bazhang> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo Jordan_U this seems to explain with some more clarity than I can muster at the moment
[06:13] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I've already read that, I'm more curious about the specific problem of root owned ~/.ICEauthority though.
[06:13] <bazhang> oddly enough Flynn is discussing it now in #ubuntu
[06:17] <bazhang> whoa lag
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> l
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> a
[06:18] <bazhang> thanks for joining ohsix
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> g
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> ?
[06:18] <bazhang> Jordan_U, you around ? ^^
[06:19] <bazhang> tonyyarusso, heh yeah
[06:25] <bazhang> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo at any rate, ohsix was asked to join here by Jordan_U ; there seemed to be some debate on the validity of said link contents
[06:25] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I am now.
[06:26] <bazhang> ah just in the nick of time
[06:26] <Jordan_U> No, also in the nick of Jordan_U ;)
[06:26] <bazhang> hehe
[06:36] <Jordan_U> ohsix: If you'd like to argue whether a policy of always recommending gksudo for graphical applications is reasonable, this is the channel to do it. I don't think it will though. While I don't know exactly what circumstances cause ~/.ICEauthority to become owned by root it is a common enough problem that it does not seem those circumstances are as rare as you've stated.
[06:37] <ohsix> i wasn't arguing anything
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> I don't know if it was .ICEauthority, but I remember messing something up that way.  Probably nautilus.
[06:37] <ohsix> anything that'll change stuff in $HOME is a risk
[06:37] <ohsix> ssh just happens to touch your credentials if you use X forwarding
[06:38] <Jordan_U> ohsix: Well it is a policy in #ubuntu so I'll have to insist that you don't recommend the use of any graphical application with sudo instead of gksudo.
[06:38] <ohsix> you'd need to do "sudo ssh -X" to get it to do it though
[06:38] <ohsix> Jordan_U: you're free to tell them the possible issues whenever you like
[06:38] <Tm_T> sudo and ssh? how pervert
[06:38] <Tm_T> sorry the strong expression
[06:39] <ohsix> indeed
[06:40] <Jordan_U> ohsix: It doesn't work that way. I won't always be there (though it is likely that I will be there some of the times when users complain about not logging in due to a root owned ~/.ICEauthority).
[06:40] <ohsix> i suspect that's the only way they knew how to do something like ssh root@ -X
[06:41] <Jordan_U> ohsix: Why do you refuse to use gksudo in your examples to other users? What harm does it cause to you or them?
[06:41] <ohsix> i don't refuse
[06:42] <ohsix> i just won't remember, since it's so silly and i know the exceptions already
[06:42] <ohsix> thats why i welcome you reminding me every time i do it, as you have already
[06:43] <ohsix> it doesn't enter my thinking to even consider not knowingly executing sudo knowing why you do it
[06:44] <ohsix> it's incompatible with people that use sudo for everything not knowing what it really does, aside from them needing to do it for some things occasionally
[06:44] <Jordan_U> ohsix: Sorry, I misinterpreted your comments.
[06:44] <ohsix> it's alright, there's a lot of scroll & it's hard to follow
[08:02] <Tm_T> hmm, we still don't have disclaimer in !fx4 cactoid
[08:49] <bazhang> aprilhare is turning into smallfoot-
[09:18] <tsimpson> ohsix: if there's nothing you want to discuss with us (any more), could you please /part this channel
[09:31] <elky> tsimpson, necreo too?
[09:32] <tsimpson> oh right
[09:32] <tsimpson> is there any reason for them to be here that I don't know about?
[09:32] <elky> not that i'm aware of
[09:33] <elky> i believe they've got us on auto-join
[09:33] <elky> and have been told several times but conveniently not around at those times
[09:33] <tsimpson> necreo: please don't auto-join this channel
[09:35] <Tm_T> who was/is necreo?
[09:36] <elky> a bshellz user who managed to catch an unaware op and get an exempt in contradiction of the blanket ban on bshellz
[09:36] <Tm_T> roger
[09:37] <Tm_T> for a moment I lived in a hope that they had some admin being active with us
[09:37] <elky> yeah :(
[10:55] <elky> bacta in -marketing
[10:55] <ikonia> what a surprise
[10:55] <ikonia> ooh, I thought I autojoined that channel
[16:54] <ikonia> speaking to trench in pm
[17:07] <mneptok> expectamuhble.
[17:07] <ikonia> calling me a fucking peice of shit in pm
[17:07] <ikonia> wise choice
[17:08] <IdleOne> who did? dagni?
[17:08] <ikonia> yup
[17:11] <KB1JWQ> Something in the water today?
[17:11] <KB1JWQ> Lot of rude folks on the network. :-/
[17:11]  * IdleOne drinks coffee
[17:11] <KB1JWQ> Ooh, good call IdleOne.
[17:11]  * genii-around drinks coffee
[17:11] <IdleOne> always boil your water first
[17:12] <KB1JWQ> IdleOne: For coffee?!
[17:12] <IdleOne> well yeah but also to remove whatever they put in the water today
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Does it remove the radiation, too?
[17:15] <IdleOne> only 2ppm
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Well, at least that helps ;-)
[17:27] <Pici> meh
[17:29] <Pici> Lots of random semi-helpful advice lately :(
[17:39] <ikonia> GeekyAdam just wanted an excuse to have a moan
[18:25]  * LjL raises an eyebrow at kerneloops_ use of factoids
[19:27] <rww> !ff4
[19:27] <rww> !ff4 =~ s/To install it, use the PPA by/Current versions of Ubuntu do not have it (see !latest), but there is an unofficial and unsupported PPA that you can use by/
[19:29] <Tm_T> rww: well worded, thanks
[19:31] <rww> I like how certain people in #ubuntu-offtopic automatically assume that any modechanges are related to them. Guilty conscience much?
[20:12] <tsimpson> how come -ot is not +c?
[20:13] <LjL> blame arrwawah
[20:14] <LjL> also where did mahen come from :(
[20:19] <Tm_T> hi MUILTFN_