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| ev | might I pester someone to process the overrides and review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-clone/+bug/739808 today? I'd like to get a new ubiquity in to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ubiquity/+bug/738366 | 13:08 |
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| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 739808 in apt-clone (Ubuntu) "[MIR] apt-clone (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] | 13:08 |
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| skaet | all, buildd turnaround for the next couple of hours may be a bit delayed as a fix for a security vulnerability is pushed through. Please contact me directly if this is causing you problems. | 15:02 |
| ScottK | skaet: What's the difference between armel server and headless images? | 15:31 |
| skaet | ogra_, ^^ | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | ScottK, the list of packages that are available | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | headless only ships ubuntu-standard | 15:38 |
| ScottK | OK. | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | they might turn into the base for server images in oneric | 15:38 |
| ScottK | Right. | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | with pre-üpopulated apt cache or some such | 15:38 |
| ScottK | ogra_: Would it make sense to swap the Kubuntu mx51 image that I'm currently volunteered to test for a headless image instead? Should be easier to test and more generally useful (sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after install isn't very hard). | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | up to you, you own it :) | 15:40 |
| ScottK | Should/Would | 15:40 |
| ScottK | OK. I think it makes sense. | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | installing packages on headless definitely requires a working net connection | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | thats the only thing to regard | 15:41 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | and it defaults to serial all over for oem-config | 15:41 |
| ScottK | That causes me to have second thoughts. | 15:41 |
| ScottK | Let me consider it. | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | well, you can disable serial by dropping the preseed option from cmdline | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | and indeed oem-config offers netcfg ... but you still need a network to attach to | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | (on headless we also default to offering tasksel btw, so installing kubuntu-desktop should be very easy ... you could even preseed it) | 15:43 |
| ScottK | ogra_: As it is now, if you install you don't have working video? | 15:43 |
| ScottK | I'm trying to understand what defaulting to serial means. | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | you do, but oem-config does run on the serial tty by default | 15:43 |
| ScottK | I see. | 15:43 |
| ScottK | So if I drop that, it's like a server oem install, but fewer packages. | 15:44 |
| ScottK | ? | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | we preseed debian-installer/framebuffer=false and set console=ttyO2,115200n8 | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | no packages | 15:44 |
| ScottK | Not even the packages in ubuntu-standard? | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | they are installed but not shipped as debs | 15:45 |
| ScottK | So it's a pre-installed image with ubuntu-standard, so after an install I have a bare ubuntu-standard system. | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | imagine a live image with only ubuntu-standard and defaulting to oem-config ... no archive or anything | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | yeah, right | 15:46 |
| ScottK | So worst case with no network at install time, I get a network, reboot, and add stuff, right? | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | yes | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | you have a fully working cmdline system in any case | 15:46 |
| ScottK | Why do you default oem-config to serial? | 15:47 |
| ogra_ | and we have tasksel so you could preselect kubuntu-desktop in a preseed cmdline option | 15:47 |
| ogra_ | because it is mainly designed as developer image | 15:47 |
| ScottK | OK. | 15:47 |
| ScottK | Would you be willing to help me get this set up? I can test it, but it's been ~a year and a half since I did anything with getting images set up and what little I knew about then is long forgotten. | 15:48 |
| ScottK | I'm actually not that concerned about preseeding taskself for Kubuntu. | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | well, we need a flavour based hack for the image builder so your cmdline options are different | 15:49 |
| ScottK | It would be just the standard headless less the serial preseed. | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | right | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | hmm, tricky | 15:50 |
| ScottK | ENOCLUE on what needs to be done to the image builder. | 15:50 |
| ogra_ | well, looking at the code the imx51 images are 100% babbage board images | 15:51 |
| ogra_ | do you plan to use babbage ? | 15:51 |
| ScottK | What I have is Efika MX Smarttop. | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | right | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | do you have a kernel and bootloader for that in the archive = | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | ?` | 15:52 |
| ScottK | I think we do. | 15:53 |
| ScottK | I've been procrastinating investigating this. | 15:53 |
| ogra_ | i know the linaor one doesnt work for one of the efikas | 15:53 |
| ScottK | We have a kernel. | 15:53 |
| ScottK | err | 15:53 |
| ogra_ | i think the netbook though | 15:53 |
| ScottK | I'm told the linaro one should work now. | 15:53 |
| ScottK | I think it's the netbook that doesn't work. | 15:53 |
| ScottK | The smarttop, I think, works. | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | i was told yesterday that it only works on one of the models | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | i think someone said efikasb doesnt work | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | who was supposed to implement that on the builder | 15:55 |
| ScottK | If you'd look into what it would take to get the headless image while I verify we have something that works on my hardware, I'd appreciate it. | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | it's several days of work to implement a new subarch | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Sigh. | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Is it a new subarch? | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | and especially harder if you dont have the HW to test on while developing | 15:56 |
| ScottK | Right. | 15:56 |
| ScottK | Let me go investigate a bit and see where we are. | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | we cant drop imx51 i think | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | so it would likely be a new subarch | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | (the builder needs to be able to roll images for older releases still so i wouldnt like to drop imx51) | 15:57 |
| ScottK | Does it? | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | (not that we usually do that for armel) | 15:57 |
| ScottK | I thought Karmic was the last mx51 release? | 15:58 |
| ScottK | It's about to go away. | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | i thought it was lucid | 15:58 |
| * ScottK looks | 15:58 | |
| ogra_ | lucid should be dove and imx51 plus an unsupported omap3 image | 15:59 |
| ScottK | You're right. | 15:59 |
| ScottK | nevermind | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | anyway, we can probably drop it if nobody complains ... its just not the usual habit | 16:00 |
| ScottK | It would be nice to have something going forward. I think that's more important than the last 6 months of support on Lucid (since it's non-LTS) | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | but still, someone needs to implement it, the arm team is swamped in pre beta work atm :( | 16:01 |
| ScottK | Let me see what I can figure out. | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | we should have identified someone from the cdimage team to implement it during UDS | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | lets note that for next time :) | 16:02 |
| ScottK | I shouldn't have assumed someone had been. | 16:03 |
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| ogasawara | skaet: just a heads up, I'm likely going to need a beta freeze exception to do a no-change kernel upload to force a rebuild due to the recent gcc upload. | 17:32 |
| skaet | ogasawara, when do you expect the rebuild to happen? | 17:32 |
| skaet | ogasawara, thanks for the heads up, btw. ;) | 17:33 |
| ogasawara | skaet: gcc should finish building by tomorrow and I'll plan to upload the kernel after that. The arm build takes the longest for the kernel (~19hrs) so it should finish by fri morning your time. | 17:34 |
| ogasawara | skaet: but that's a day past beta freeze | 17:35 |
| skaet | ogasawara, thanks for letting me know. Should all work out ok. | 17:35 |
| micahg | skaet: I might need a beta freeze exception for gmusicbrowser (it's really small) for xubuntu (default music player), latest it would be ready would be midday tomorrow | 17:35 |
| skaet | micahg, betafreeze goes into effect at 2300 UTC. Let me know if you can't make that deadline tomorrow. | 17:36 |
| micahg | skaet: 2300UTC tomorrow? | 17:37 |
| skaet | yup. | 17:37 |
| micahg | skaet: shouldn't be a problem then, thanks :) | 17:37 |
| slangasek | ogasawara: do you need to wait for gcc to finish on arm before uploading, in fact? Are there any out-of-tree modules that we need to worry about building for arm? | 18:07 |
| slangasek | could I get an archive admin to poke at the linux-linaro-* kernels in binary NEW? | 18:08 |
| slangasek | would like to get that metapackage uploaded today | 18:08 |
| ogasawara | slangasek: I was talking with tgardner and we really don't have any out of tree modules we really care about in Natty that isn't handled by a DKMS package. | 18:09 |
| slangasek | ogasawara: well, AIUI dkms doesn't protect anyone from the issue with checking compiler versions, as that's in the upstream kernel build rules | 18:10 |
| slangasek | I guess my question is, do we care if dkms works on armel | 18:10 |
| slangasek | for beta anyway | 18:10 |
| ogasawara | slangasek: I don't think we really care, but since skaet said it should all work out ok to upload the kernel a day late, I'll just do it. | 18:14 |
| slangasek | ok | 18:15 |
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| kirkland | ScottK: I'd like to get a FFe to upload the latest version of bikeshed into Natty universe; it adds small/useful shell script and manpage; the changes are visible at: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bikeshed/bikeshed/trunk/revision/84 | 19:50 |
| ScottK | kirkland: If the only feature change is a new script (I consider the manpage a bug fix), please go ahead. | 19:51 |
| kirkland | ScottK: that's all; thanks. | 19:54 |
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