[00:06] <PoorNewb23> hackeron: Thanks for answering. But can't you get the same with other 'server' versions of other distros?
[00:08] <XATRIX> hi guys, may a ask a newbie question ? 1) how should i configure my apache2 to be able to access the directory list on http://someipaddress/repo  2) how can i access my website index.php on http://someipaddress/web ?
[00:10] <hackeron> ruben23: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ekiga+asterisk
[00:11] <hackeron> PoorNewb23: sure, the rest is personal preference really - which community you like best, how bleeding edge you want to be, how security updates are handled, etc
[00:12] <iggi> I keep getting "2003 can't connect to mysql server on 'IP' (10061)" when trying to connect to my mysql server remotely even though I allowed the port through ufw
[00:13] <hackeron> PoorNewb23: many like centos because it's similar to redhat enterprise, I find it much easier to work with ubuntu personally and everything is a lot more up to date, yet still rock stable
[00:23] <fishscene> Greetings. I was wondering if CD/DVD burning was going to be included with LTSP. I found this page: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-cd-burning but it is quite old..
[01:06] <iggi> Can anyone help me install the perl module ExtUtils::Embed, It says I need a version of perl newer than in apt?
[01:11] <TommyC> Hiya. A while back I had to install sendmail on one of our servers. I tried using apt-get install sendmail to install it, but got a message saying couldn't find sendmail. So I downloaded the tar file from sendmail's website. Anyway, my boss asked me to remove it completely, and so I tried apt-get remove sendmail (I forgot the apt-get install didn't work), and that didn't work. Is there
[01:11] <TommyC> another way to uninstall applications from Ubuntu? Or do I have to "locate sendmail" and delete the files and folders it finds? Thanks in advance for all your help.
[01:30] <qman__> TommyC, you can only automate removal if you used a package manager to install
[01:30] <TommyC> Yeah. The manual install needs to be done. Any particular way I can go about doing that?
[01:30] <qman__> for future reference, you should use checkinstall or similar to build packages from source, rather than just installing directly with 'make install'
[01:31] <TommyC> All right.
[01:31] <qman__> that way they can be easily removed
[01:31] <qman__> but if you just ran a make install, you will have to manually locate and remove the files
[01:31] <TommyC> Gotcha.
[01:31] <qman__> it may have made it easy on you and installed to /usr/local/
[01:32] <qman__> but it depends on the compile options
[01:33] <TommyC> All right, thanks.
[01:42] <gtaylor> anyone ever tried aborting a fsck prematurely?
[01:42] <twb> Yes
[01:42] <gtaylor> how did that go for you?
[01:42] <twb> I didn't say it was me
[01:42] <gtaylor> how did it go for whoever?
[01:42] <twb> But it'll depend on the filesystem
[01:43] <gtaylor> forgot to run the damned thing on screen, and I need to close the SSH terminal
[01:43] <twb> For ext3 you are probably OK
[01:43] <gtaylor> ext4, late kernel
[01:43] <twb> I assume ext4 isn't much different
[01:43] <Patrickdk> ext4 should be better
[01:43] <gtaylor> we're on hour 8 of this stupid thing
[01:43] <twb> I mean, I wouldn't interrupt it unless you have a choice
[01:43] <Patrickdk> sounds like mine :)
[01:43] <twb> gtaylor: is this after rebooting, because it hasn't been fscked for 30 days?
[01:44] <Patrickdk> twb, what is nice is when I do a bios reset, or have a bad bios battery, fs timestamp in future, fsck disk NOW
[01:44] <twb> Oh yeah, I've seen that
[01:44] <gtaylor> twb: It's a secondary mount that corrupted independently of the root partition, so it's un-mounted and fsck'ing
[01:44] <Patrickdk> and 10tb and millions of files later :)
[01:45] <gtaylor> twb: So I'm not worried about the root partition. It's just got a lot of valuable media files in it.
[01:45] <gtaylor> and no, not porn
[01:45] <Patrickdk> what a waste of a server
[01:55] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: if the fix is small, sure
[01:56] <ScottK> SpamapS: sommer appeared from within the server community, not the docs community.  I'd recommend someone go hunt him down and ask pretty please with a cherry on top what would it take to get you to come back ....
[01:57] <ScottK> (just read the backscroll from today's meeting)
[01:57] <ScottK> Heya kirkland.
[01:57] <kirkland> ScottK: hi
[01:57] <ScottK> I appreciate all the work you're doing getting things sorted.
[01:58] <kirkland> ScottK: sure, you're welcome
[02:40] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK sommer said he was busy with his new job
[02:41] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[02:41] <RoAkSoAx> yeah he said he was gonna be around by beta
[02:41] <RoAkSoAx> hopefully he will
[02:41] <ScottK> Just about time then.
[02:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland could u please upload new powernap? the fix os in the trunk
[02:43] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK indeed :)
[04:45] <ideaman> tftp
[04:49] <twb> ideaman: what abou tit
[04:52] <ideaman> just trying to get familiar with it when it comes to using it to back up IP phone configs
[04:53] <ideaman> just out googling and looking for good articles relating specifically to that
[04:53] <twb> curl tftp://phone1/config.txt ?
[04:55] <ideaman> so will that set it up so anytime the phone reboots, it'll pull that config file and overrite anything someone's tried to do?
[04:57] <twb> Oh, the phone acts as a TFTP client?
[04:57] <ideaman> yes.
[04:58] <twb> Then you just need a read-only TFTP server for the phones to be pointed at
[04:58] <ideaman> The setup I have now was done before I came along and tftp was already installed on my server, so I only know how to edit it after the fact
[04:58] <ideaman> just learning how to do it from nothing
[04:58] <twb> If you also use DHCP, then dnsmasq is the easiest way to do it
[04:59] <ideaman> Yea, that's what I've been told, so everytime they reboot, TFTP sees the DHCP request, then loads it's config if it isn't already loaded
[04:59] <ideaman> I don't know about dnsmasq though
[04:59] <twb> That's not how it works
[05:00] <ideaman> Yea, I know I'm missing pieces of it
[05:00] <ideaman> or even the whole process
[05:00] <twb> The phone is a DHCP client.  It asks for a DHCP response.  The DHCP response will contain "next-server" and "filename" options, which are e.g. 1.2.3.4 and /phone.conf respectively
[05:01] <twb> Then the phone makes a TFTP GET request to 1.2.3.4 for file /phone.conf and then, presumably, applies it
[05:01] <twb> ...at least, that's how it would normally work.  Your vendor may be silly in some way
[05:01] <ideaman> I am the vendor/IT guy so we're good
[05:02] <ideaman> That makes alot more sense
[05:03] <ideaman> so once I've apt-get tftp, how do I set it up initially so those linksys/polycom phones are looking for that .conf file
[05:03] <twb> No, tftp is the client
[05:03] <ideaman> option in the phone intially where I need to point the phone to the IP of the TFTP server?
[05:03] <twb> You need a tftp *server*
[05:04] <twb> Either dnsmasq or tftpd-hpa are good choices
[05:05] <ideaman> I guess I just need to put that tftpd-hpa on my box and get familiar with it
[05:06] <twb> It is not very different from an FTP server
[05:06] <twb> In terms of setup, I mean.  The protocol is quite differrent
[05:06] <ideaman> It doesn't seem like there's to many parts
[05:07] <ideaman> *too
[05:08] <ideaman> Alright, thanks for your help, I'm outta here!
[05:45] <zee313> I was using itunes for my ipod classic. I there any software for syn. ipod with my ubuntu PC
[05:45] <zee313> ?
[05:47] <shauno>  zee313 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod   is probably a good start; otherwise I'd suggest that -server's not the most obvious channel for that, and you may have more luck in #ubuntu proper
[05:50] <twb> For an second- or fourth-gen iPod, they were just HFS+ filesystems with a single metadata file.  There is a simple tool to generate the metadata file.
[05:51] <twb> Those gens were around in, like, 2004, so new ones are probably completely different.
[05:54] <shauno> I had an 'ipod photo', which was 4th or 5th.  it was happy with vfat, but same idea for metadata.  rhythmbox & co never had a problem with it tho
[05:56] <twb> 4th was monochrome LCD
[05:59] <twb> Oh, apparently there were 4G color units
[05:59] <twb> Maybe I had a third-gen
[06:01] <twb> According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Classic I had a 3G and a 4G.  I know my first one had a non-mechanical scroll wheel (which was awesome).
[06:04] <shauno> I guess the good news is that they're still amongst the best supported on linux.  the 'classic' line has remained largely stable since they went heard first into 'iOS'
[06:06] <twb> Cool
[06:44] <aliverius> goodmorning
[06:52]  * aliverius is going to rebuild a raid-0 array for the 1st time
[06:54] <_ruben> raid0 doesn't really exist
[06:57] <Syria> Hi, i have hired a vps with ubuntu -server installed on it and suddenly i can't connect to it using sftp and can't import Sql database.
[06:58] <_ruben> complain to the vps provider?
[06:59] <Syria> is it something caused by me or them?
[07:00] <laen> You expect us to know?
[07:01] <twb> _ruben: last time I looked, RAID0 existed
[07:01] <twb> _ruben: OK, it wasn't *R*edundant, so I guess it's better called "AID0"
[07:16] <Syria> Can I upload files from my computer to the vps server using terminal? i am connected to it via ssh.
[07:19] <twb> If you have shell access over SSH, then you almost certainly can use SFTP or scp.
[07:19] <Syria> twb:  When I try connecting to it using sftp it just jeeps loading without showing me any files or folders.
[07:21] <Syria> *keeps
[07:22] <_ruben> twb: exactly (wrt (R)AID0) :)
[07:22] <_ruben> Syria: do the logs show anything odd ?
[07:23] <twb> Syria: that is probably by design.  You need to talk to your VPS vendor.
[07:23] <Syria> Thank you very much guys.
[07:26] <shauno> if they've given you a ssh account (on the host) that attaches to a tty (on the guest), it's probably locked down to do just that.  it's usually intended to give you a last-resort access in case you goof up, not a usable sftp session
[07:28] <twb> shauno: hum, fair enough
[07:28] <_ruben> then either the vps provider changed something, or the initial problem description was misleading
[07:28]  * _ruben points at "suddenly"
[07:30] <shauno> the 'terminal' bit threw me off.  the ssh my vps provider offer, goes straight to a stty.  it's like having a serial console on a physical machine.
[07:31] <shauno> the sshd on the guest itself is my job, and the provider doesn't touch it
[07:31] <twb> yeah right
[07:34] <shauno> was a big "if" I guess, but the most sensible reason I can think of for a lack of sftp
[07:34] <twb> Sigh.
[07:34] <twb> Which monkey wrote lucid's /etc/init/squid.conf
[07:35] <twb> grepconf2()?  I mean really
[08:14] <soren> twb: It's from the init script, actually.
[08:14] <soren> twb: It's been there since at least 2004.
[08:14] <twb> Yeah, I guessed
[08:14] <twb> FWIW I replaced it all with a normal upstart job and I haven't had any problems
[08:15] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/111679/
[08:15] <twb> What prompted me to do this was that I rebooted my LXC server, and the squid container was hanging around for minutes -- preventing the entire system from rebooting promptly.
[08:16] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/111675/
[08:37] <BlackDex> Hello there,
[08:38] <BlackDex> how can i disable the system information "motd" after an ssh login for specific users?
[08:42] <BlackDex> ok.. i finally found it... just by adding .hushlogin
[08:46] <twb> BlackDex: that information is in the fortunes-ubuntu-server package, which provides helpful hints in the MOTD :-)
[09:42] <Daviey> Talking of which fortunes-ubuntu-server needs some love...
[09:42] <Daviey> anyone want to have a go with it? :)
[09:46] <raphink> it's about adding new smart quotes to it? ;-)
[09:50] <aliverius> when i installed ubuntu i chose a raid0 setup. i had one disk atm but it still accepted to do the raid0. now that i connected the 2nd hard disk, how easy will it be? is there an automated way?
[09:58] <raphink> aliverius, I'm not sure if mdadm allows to add drives to a RAID0
[09:58] <raphink> (Google seems to say it doesn't)
[09:58] <raphink> what is your need, and have you considered using LVM striping instead?
[09:58] <_ruben> because raid0 isn't realy raid, it'll work with just one disk just fine .. as for adding extra disks, probably: sudo mdadm /dev/m0 --add /dev/sdX
[09:59] <_ruben> then again, raid0 is useless especially when running lvm on top of it
[09:59] <raphink> yep
[09:59] <raphink> raid0 is pretty useless in a lot of situations
[10:00] <raphink> and software raid0 is a waste of ressources in most cases (especially with one drive)
[10:00] <Syria> Hello, I can't edit anything in phpmyadmin, i have hired a vps with ubuntu 10.4 installed on it. the support team at the company told that i have to fix this.
[10:00] <_ruben> i wonder what the person whas smoking who "created" raid0 in the first place
[10:00] <raphink> _ruben, well, LVM didn't exist at the time I believe
[10:01] <raphink> maybe the guy who created raid0 was running Windows and couldn't attach partitions/drives to mount points...
[10:02] <raphink> _ruben, there is a point about raid0 though, which is performance
[10:02] <_ruben> raphink: that's not the point .. raid0 contradicts itself, it *can't* exist
[10:02] <_ruben> you can stripe disks for performance, sure, but it's not raid
[10:02] <raphink> you have more writing heads on the same logical volume
[10:03] <jkg> I think calling it RAID Level 0 is exactly appropriate as a description of what it is -- the 0 matters :-) and it has to be part of the RAID family, for, e.g. RAID 10.
[10:03] <raphink> that said, you put the data of two (or more) disks at risk with raid0
[10:03] <raphink> since if one disk crashes, you destroy and array and lose the data on both disks afaik
[10:04] <raphink> jkg, right
[10:04] <raphink> it makes sense to use it in this context
[10:07] <Syria> What should I do if I want to delete and re-install phpmyadmin and all the data bases please?
[10:08] <raphink> apt-get remove --purge phpmyadmin
[10:08] <Syria> But this will not remove the data bases right? i want to remove and re-install everything.
[10:09] <raphink> not sure if that removes the DB. If the DB is myisam, you can delete the files associated with it in /var/lib/mysql
[10:09] <Syria> raphink:  I can't edit any value from phpmyadmin after clicking "Go" the page keeps loading so do you think that this might solve the problem?
[10:10] <raphink> certainly, bleaching the machine will not resolve the problem as far as clicking "Go"
[10:10] <aliverius> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy did i say raid0???????!!! i meant raid 1 so let me repeat what i said
[10:10] <raphink> you won't have a "Go" button anymore if that helps ;-)
[10:10] <raphink> aliverius, I think you did ;-)
[10:10] <aliverius> when i installed ubuntu i chose a raid1 setup. i had one disk atm but it still accepted to do the raid1. now that i connected the 2nd hard disk, how easy will it be? is there an automated way?
[10:11] <Syria> raphink:  and how am i supposed to save to changes?
[10:11] <aliverius> there you go, i corected it
[10:11] <raphink> aliverius, _ruben answered you then
[10:12] <raphink> Syria, I'm no phpmyadmin expert (I am more of a cli user)
[10:12] <Syria> raphink:  Thnx anyway.
[10:13] <raphink> removing the database is probably not the best solution to your issue though
[10:14] <jkg> Syria: what error message, if any, do you get when it fails?
[10:15] <Syria> jkg:  The page keeps loading and i don't get any messages.
[10:15] <raphink> Syria, is there anything in the apache logs?
[10:15] <aliverius> ok guys thanks
[10:15] <aliverius> i will come back with more questions i am sure
[10:16] <Syria> raphink:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/584185/  this is the error.log
[10:16] <Syria> raphink:  And this is the access.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/584186/
[10:19] <raphink> Syria, there's not much there ...
[10:20] <Syria> raphink:  Is there anything that I can do?
[10:20] <Syria> anything else?
[10:21] <aliverius> if one drive fails and is removed will the other drive boot normally?
[10:21] <aliverius> or is brub installed on only one drive
[10:22] <aliverius> grub
[10:22] <aliverius> does ubuntu know how to setup both grubs at the same time?
[10:28] <Syria> raphink:  I have removed and reinstalled phpmyadmin using apt-get --purge-- remove phpmyadmin $ apt-get install phpmyadmin
[10:28] <Syria> but now i can't log in :(
[10:41] <raphink> Syria, you mean you can't log in on phpmyadmin, right?
[10:43] <Syria> raphink: Yes.
[10:43] <raphink> Syria, have you configured it?
[10:44] <Syria> yes, sudo dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin is this correct?
[10:44] <raphink> that, or looking at the config.php or whatever else it uses
[10:52] <jamespage> jhunt: around for a quick upstart question?
[10:52] <jhunt> jamespage: hi
[10:53] <jamespage> jhunt - lemme just pastebin the config
[10:54] <jamespage> jhunt: http://pastebin.com/1W0HDbLS
[10:55] <jamespage> so this is the upstart config for jenkins
[10:55] <jamespage> couple of things I wanted some guidance on
[10:56] <jamespage> I noticed that sometimes a restart fails - it looks like the java process running jenkins was not fully shutdown before the new process was started.
[10:56] <jamespage> do I need to use any extra config as the java process gets run through su?
[10:57] <jamespage> second - also noticed odd stuff with overrides
[10:58] <jamespage> so I use AJP_PORT in JENKINS_ARGS  - however if I use an override file to set the AJP_PORT the value in JENKINS_ARGS is still -1
[10:58] <jamespage> i.e. from the jenkins.conf file
[10:58] <jamespage> help much appreciated jhunt
[11:03] <jhunt> hmm - not sure why the override isn't working. Are you sure you created it as jenkins.override (two "r"'s)?
[11:03] <jhunt> I've just tried a quick test and it works for me.
[11:05] <jhunt> to see the override file being applied, run, "sudo initctl log-priority debug". Then do, "touch /etc/init/jenkins.override" and look at the messages in /var/log/syslog
[11:05] <jhunt> also, I'm a bit confused by the restart - how do you know the process wasn't fully shutdown out of interest?
[11:10] <haaga> Hello. I was told ny my manager to look into cloud computing and I have questions. If I want to deploy a Apache server that is going to take some heavy loads, would it be wiser to load balance it in a more "traditional" way (several servers running apache) or put up a Ubuntu cloud and deploy it there?
[11:11] <haaga> sorry for all the typos!
[11:12] <raphink> using cloud computing doesn't prefvent you from scaling "the traditional way"
[11:12] <raphink> you can choose one big instance or several small ones
[11:12] <raphink> it's still up to you to choose your architecture
[11:12] <haaga> But what would be easiest to scale when I need to expand?
[11:12] <raphink> but cloud computing will be more profitable with several small instances, since you will have more fine grain to scale up and down
[11:13] <raphink> cloud computing will make it easier to scale up and down, using small instances
[11:13] <raphink> because you can launch more instances when you need them, and shut them down when you don't
[11:13] <raphink> if you choose one big instance, you can't scale down and then it's probably cheaper to get a dedicated server
[11:14] <haaga> Can I run one big instance and scale it by just adding more nodes?
[11:14] <raphink> sure
[11:14] <patdk-lap> heh?
[11:14] <patdk-lap> you can't run an instance that is larger than one node
[11:15] <raphink> you can add more instances and load balance
[11:15] <raphink> I think that's what haaga  means, no?
[11:15] <patdk-lap> he clearly said, one big instance and scale by node :)
[11:15] <raphink> that's what he said ;-)
[11:15] <raphink> what do you mean haaga ?
[11:15] <haaga> ohh, so the instances can never be bigger than one node?
[11:16] <patdk-lap> the advantage of cloud computing, is the ability to divide and reconfigure things, without reinstalling hardware
[11:16] <haaga> i meant that i'll put one apache instance in a cloud and then when the load increases, add nodes and let them be a rouserce to exisiting apache
[11:16] <haaga> not start new instances, just scale the exisisting one
[11:17] <patdk-lap> no, you would have to have more instances running apache
[11:17] <patdk-lap> and loadblaance them
[11:17] <patdk-lap> you should think of an instance like a real computer
[11:17] <patdk-lap> and that instance can never grow beyond the capabilities of the node hardware it's running on
[11:18] <patdk-lap> now, what it will make nice though
[11:18] <haaga> humm, it would be sweet just to being to scale the instance over several nodes
[11:18] <patdk-lap> if you need to make an instance more powerful, is installing a better node
[11:18] <patdk-lap> and moving the instance to that more powerful node
[11:18] <patdk-lap> without reinstalls
[11:19] <haaga> so, it's basiclly the same as vmware?
[11:19] <raphink> like using an EBS, detaching it from the old instance and attaching it to the new one
[11:19] <haaga> moving from one host to a better host
[11:19] <patdk-lap> yep
[11:20] <raphink> although adding instances is more of the spirit afaik
[11:20] <patdk-lap> raphink, depeds on the workload
[11:20] <raphink> right
[11:20] <patdk-lap> duplicating cache memory is extreemly wasteful
[11:20] <raphink> don't the load balancers on aws support sticky sessions?
[11:21] <raphink> oh right, cache
[11:21] <raphink> ;-)
[11:21] <raphink> sorry
[11:21] <raphink> :-)
[11:21] <haaga> i would be sweet just to scale them over the nodes and when demand increases, just add more nodes and let the instance scale over them too?
[11:21] <haaga> it would*
[11:21] <patdk-lap> haaga, not really
[11:21] <patdk-lap> networks can't keep up with that speed
[11:22] <haaga> humm, well.. it would be sweet in a perfect network world
[11:22] <haaga> :)
[11:22] <patdk-lap> and in that perfect world, you have infinite amounts of cash :)
[11:23] <haaga> ofcourse!
[11:23] <raphink> heh
[11:23] <patdk-lap> this is why, if your workload permits, you just have puppet auto-configure a new backend instance, and the loadbalancer adds it into the pool
[11:23] <patdk-lap> I know many places that do that
[11:24] <haaga> so, in my case, the only thing i would save on running in a private cloud would be power consumption?
[11:24] <patdk-lap> going as far as to turn nodes on and off dynamically throughout the day, based on load
[11:24] <haaga> instead of buying several servers and just load balance them
[11:25] <haaga> and in my case, when running vmware, i wouldn't save anything?
[11:25] <patdk-lap> heh?
[11:26] <raphink> if you run a private cloud, you still need to pay for the physical machines...
[11:26] <raphink> so I don't see how you would save power
[11:26] <raphink> unless you have several services to scale on it
[11:27] <haaga> Well, i was thinking that you proberly utilizes the machines more when using cloud/virtualization
[11:29] <jamespage> jhunt: well the override is working - as long as I use it outside of a env declaration i.e. the use of a env declaration in an override within a env declaration in the main conf file does not seem to work.
[11:29] <patdk-lap> well, it all depends on the workload
[11:29] <patdk-lap> if you can balance cpu, ram, and disk usage
[11:29] <haaga> true
[11:29] <patdk-lap> you can build one huge powerful node, and run it all
[11:29] <patdk-lap> and it would be more efficient
[11:29] <jamespage> jhunt: so with regards to the restart - I can still see messages being generated in the jenkins log from the old process while the new process is in the process table.
[11:32] <jhunt> jamespage: well, as you haven't specified the "instance" stanza, Upstart won't allow >1 of these jobs to run, so I'm not sure. Can java apps fork? If so, Upstart won't be following the fork as there is no "expect daemon" or "expect daemon".
[11:32] <haaga> would it be possible to move the instances to a minimal amount of nodes when the load decreases and power off the extra nodes, then power them on a spread the instances again when load increases?
[11:32] <jhunt> jamespage: you could convince yourself by maybe putting a "ps" in the pre-start and logging that to a file
[11:33] <jamespage> jhunt: ok lemme try that
[11:33] <Patrickdk> haaga, yes, even vmware does that, and ubuntu
[11:34] <aliverius> $ sudo mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb
[11:34] <aliverius> and this is what i get http://pastebin.com/bMjMR1PQ . does this mean the array is being rebuilt?
[11:34] <aliverius> raphink _ruben ^^
[11:35] <aliverius> and isnt it a bit slow?
[11:37] <jamespage> jhunt: def still around - see http://paste.ubuntu.com/584235/
[11:37] <_ruben> aliverius: it's probably spitting all current blocks over the 2 disks, as for the speed, 38MB/s aint that bad for a single disk
[11:38] <jamespage> jhunt: and when running - http://paste.ubuntu.com/584236/
[11:39] <aliverius> _ruben: and how i sync and use the array?
[11:40] <jhunt> jamespage: so it's forked by the looks of it. Upstart doesn't know about that pid since no "expect" stanza
[11:40] <_ruben> aliverius: the syncing is what the progress"bar" indicates and how to use it, well, that's up to you :)
[11:40] <jamespage> jhunt: ok I'll try that
[11:42] <aliverius> _ruben: excuse me but doesnt it r/w on both disks automatically?
[11:43] <_ruben> it does
[11:45] <aliverius> so what is up to me?
[11:46] <aliverius> do i have to do any extra configuration?
[11:47] <aliverius> also will both disks be bootable?
[11:47] <aliverius> grub info is inside the raid partition
[11:49] <jamespage> jhunt: hmmm - tried that out  - not so greart
[11:51] <jamespage> upstart seemed to lose track of things - start and stop just hung - tried expect daemon as well
[11:58] <_ruben> aliverius: how you gonna use the striped volume is what is up to you
[11:58] <_ruben> and they'll be bootable if you made 'em so
[11:59] <_ruben> also, why would they both need to be bootable?
[11:59] <_ruben> you'd boot from one, and if that one dies, you're screwed anyway, the 2nd disk would be pretty much useless
[12:00] <jamespage> jhunt: ignore me on that first issue - must have made a type or something as its working now...
[12:00] <jamespage> jhunt: still having trouble getting upstart to track the right process though.
[12:04] <aliverius> _ruben: raid 1
[12:09] <patdk-wk> ruben, no, normal is to have both disks bootable
[12:09] <patdk-wk> and if one disk fails, the system will boot from the second disk
[12:10] <patdk-wk> but putting grub INSIDE the raid won't work, cause your bios doesn't understand the raid
[12:11] <patdk-wk> when grub detects you are installing into onto a raid, it normally installed itself into the mbr of each raid disk
[12:19] <_ruben> hadn't noticed the raid1 part in the pastebin, as all the discussions thusfar had been about raid0
[12:22] <patdk-wk> I didn't see anyone talking about raid0, except you :)
[12:22] <binBASH> ^^
[12:23] <_ruben> 10:50 < aliverius> when i installed ubuntu i chose a raid0 setup. i had one disk atm but it still accepted to do the raid0. now that i connected the 2nd hard disk, how easy will it be? is there an automated way?
[12:23] <patdk-wk> hmm, I must of missed that line :)
[12:23] <aliverius> _ruben: i corrected it a bit later
[12:23] <binBASH> I wonder if it's possible to let uvirtbot execute a forkbomb :D
[12:24] <binBASH> Hi patdk-wk btw.
 heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy did i say raid0???????!!! i meant raid 1 so let me repeat what i said
[12:24] <aliverius> [12:10:19] <aliverius> when i installed ubuntu i chose a raid1 setup. i had one disk atm but it still accepted to do the raid1. now that i connected the 2nd hard disk, how easy will it be? is there an automated way?
[12:24] <aliverius> ^^ _ruben sorry for the misunderstanding
[12:25] <aliverius> _ruben sorry for the misunderstanding ^^
[12:25] <patdk-wk> uvirtbot, shush
[12:25] <_ruben> ah, that line got lost between the lines of a discussion i wasnt following
[12:25] <aliverius> i am sorry :)
[12:25] <_ruben> in that case, just configure grub to install itself in both mbrs and be done with it
[12:28] <aliverius> _ruben: now, lets say i remove one drive. will it boot? and when i reinstall it, will i have to sync by hand? and whatever has changed in the first disk will be applied to the second?
[12:28] <_ruben> aliverius: it will, *if* you installed grub properly on both drives, and if you add another disk again, you'd do the same as you just did: add it to the raid and it'll sync again
[12:42] <jamespage> hggdh: are you ok to move over to the new jenkins server this afternoon?
[12:43] <jamespage> hggdh: I will move the IP address but your slaves will need to be flushed of the offending slave.jar file
[12:44] <hggdh> jamespage, no prob, all we need is a moment of peace ;-)
[12:44] <hggdh> jamespage, actually, like now, if you want
[12:44] <jamespage> hggdh: OK - I'm just going to grab a sandwich - OK if I start in about 45 minutes?
[12:45] <hggdh> jamespage, certainly
[12:45] <jamespage> great
[12:51] <aliverius> thanks a lot _ruben. i will test my setup to see how these happen :)
[12:53] <iclebyte_work> any managed to get cobbler working on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[13:25] <_ruben> aliverius: also, if you configured the raid in the installer, the installer has asked you what to do in case of a degraded array, unless that question is suprressed when only 1 disk is avail
[13:26] <aliverius> no the question was there and i said it should boot from the degraded array
[13:26] <aliverius> i supposed it would automatically use the good disk
[13:28] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[13:28] <anadon> hey hey hey!
[13:28] <kim0> RoAkSoAx: Morning :)
[13:29] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: ready for clouds days huh? :)
[13:29] <kim0> RoAkSoAx: hehe indeed :)
[13:29] <anadon> I need some help fixing my server to re-allow ssh clients to connect.  I think the issue is elated to "ipkungfu" (a firewall).  I recently modified the settings to allow ssh (allowing incoming on port 22) and that didn't seem to help
[13:30] <kim0> anadon: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[13:30] <kim0> would that help :)
[13:32] <anadon> if I knew what they were...this is my first time getting a server off the ground
[13:33] <kim0> anadon: use sudo that command .. and see if it helps you ssh
[13:33] <anadon> kk
[13:34] <raphink> ipkungfu might mess it up again later though if it's badly configured
[13:34] <anadon> invalid command--doesn't like the "-I"
[13:35] <anadon> fuuuuuuuu
[13:35] <anadon> sec
[13:36] <anadon> ok, now it's just outright refusing my connections
[13:37] <kim0> anadon: sudo restart ssh
[13:38] <jamespage> hggdh - I'm going to shutdown both instances now and re-sync the data.
[13:39] <anadon> "restart: unknown instances: "
[13:40] <kim0> anadon: can u try it now .. canit ssh ?
[13:41] <hggdh> jamespage, OK, and I will reboot the systems
[13:42] <hggdh> jamespage, ping me when the new instance comes up so that I can restart the slaves
[13:48] <anadon> kim0: still refused
[13:52] <jamespage> hggdh: all done - you can access on http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org or http://hudson.qa.ubuntu-uk.org (thanks Daviey)
[13:53] <anadon> hello?
[13:55] <jamespage> hggdh: hold on that - something odd happened to the elastic ip - just re-doing
[13:55] <hggdh> jamespage, ok, bringing up the slaves
[13:55] <thesheff17> anadon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584289/ try to flush all the iptables rules with these commands.
[13:55] <hggdh> jamespage, no problem, unbringing up the slaves
[13:58] <marjo> jamespage: i can't access jenkins.q.u.o, but can access hudson.q.u.o
[13:58] <anadon> thesheff17: did it, connections still refused
[13:59] <jamespage> hmmm - something odd going on  - looking at it now.
[13:59] <thesheff17> anadon: is ssh running ps aux | grep ssh
[14:03] <anadon> thesheff17: wha???
[14:04] <anadon> thesheff17: newbie here, don't know about that or how to check, besides that in involves running "sevice"
[14:05] <jamespage> hggdh, marjo: I think its OK now; both slaves have re-connected
[14:06] <hggdh> jamespage, yay! Thank you dear sir, forever in your debt
[14:06] <hggdh> jamespage, which means you get a free beer in Budapest :-)
[14:06] <jamespage> hggdh: I will keep an eye on it this afternoon - the elastic IP kept dropping its association with the instance.
[14:06] <hggdh> that was weird
[14:07] <jamespage> I will shutdown the old instance but leave around on disk for a few weeks.
[14:09] <thesheff17> anadon: was ssh working before? if it was you have a config problem.  If it was never working make sure it is installed.  apt-get install ssh.  Then make sure the service is running by using ps aux | grep ssh
[14:14] <felimwhiteley> that option that has turned up in the installer in 10.04, install security updates automatically, is there a way to dpkg-reconfigure that to be enabled? I didn't select it on a new install and It's on a faily unimportant machine
[14:14] <aliverius> i changed the settings in /etc/export. how do i restart the daemon?
[14:14] <felimwhiteley> would prefer it to apply security updates automatically.. can't find anything about it anywhere (that being said my search skills are miserable ;)
[14:14] <aliverius> for nfs4
[14:15] <anadon> thesheff17: it was working before and through my firewall install, but every connection after that hasn't worked.  the thing is, I stopped the firewall service and it's still not working.
[14:17] <anadon> thesheff17: it outputted, but I don't know how to read it.
[14:18] <aliverius> found the solution in the wiki
[14:18] <thesheff17> anadon: you should see  /usr/sbin/sshd -D
[14:18] <jamespage> hggdh: now I would really like to get some ec2 tests into that jenkins instance.....
[14:19] <iclebyte_work> if anyone has worked on cobbler can you look as this paste bin for me? It's just be installed from the fedorahosted git repo - the one the ubuntu team were commiting to in Jan. http://www.pastie.org/1704023
[14:25] <anadon> thesheff17: ok, but what does it mean or what do I do with it?
[14:25] <hggdh> jamespage, good idea...
[14:27] <iggi> When compiling a project that uses the perl headers, I get EXTERN.h : No such file or directory, even with libperl-dev installed. the makefile also calls "perl -MExtUtils::Embed -e ccopts" in compilation. Can anyone help?
[14:27] <thesheff17> anadon: well if you see /usr/sbin/sshd -D that means the service is running correctly.  Why it is not accepting your connections I don't know.  I would check your networking stuff.  Especially your default gateway.
[14:29] <aliverius> how do i let with '/etc/export' ,any host to connect to my nfsv4 server?
[14:41] <upp> hi everyone, i have two problems, first one when i start apache2, i get this libcrypto.so.0.9.8 no version information available
[14:44] <upp> the second i can't connect to the server with ssh http://pastebin.com/7ysDq3M3
[14:44] <felimwhiteley> argh I taek it back I found! https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html
[14:44] <upp> felimwhiteley: is that for me?
[14:45] <felimwhiteley> upp: no sorry I was solving my own problem from earlier
[14:45] <genii-around> upp: Perhaps try sudo apt-get install --reinstall libssl0.9.8
[14:45] <genii-around> upp: That's the package that library comes from
[14:47] <upp> genii-around: the Problem is i have only access to webmin on the server
[14:48] <upp> and libssl0.9.8 is already installed
[14:48] <genii-around> upp: Since ssh also uses that lib, likely the two issues are related
[14:49] <upp> so how can i fix it now, do you know how?
[14:50] <genii-around> upp: I'm pretty sure you're going to need commandline access to do it.
[14:50] <upp> ok i will try to do that , thanks alot
[14:59] <anadon> new problem: where are ssh access logs kept?
[14:59] <Pici> anadon: /var/log/auth.log
[15:00] <anadon> thanks!
[15:00] <upp> http://pastebin.com/YDaWC0ig
[15:01] <upp> but nothing help here
[15:30] <aliverius> CLIENT # mount -t nfs4 192.168.133.10:/archive_1-nfs /mnt
[15:30] <aliverius> mount.nfs4: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.133.10:/archive_1-nfs
[15:30] <aliverius> is it a client side or a server side problem? or could be both?
[15:31] <patdk-wk> both :)
[15:31] <patdk-wk> client not giving correct auth
[15:31] <patdk-wk> or server unable to verify auth
[15:48] <wycks> I don't suppose anyone knows a site that lists the most popular bad user-agents/bots or has any such crawl statistics
[15:50] <patdk-wk> there are many of them
[15:51] <wycks> I can't really find much through google, care to mention some
[15:52] <patdk-wk> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=user+agent+bad+bot&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934
[15:52] <wycks> im not looking for a list, im looking for usage statistics
[15:53] <aliverius> patdk-wk: how does auth occure? i avoided using kerberos
[15:53] <aliverius> i followed the wiki guide for the server
[15:53] <aliverius> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto
[15:53] <patdk-wk> aliverius, I dunno, I don't use nfs4, and the people I do use kerberos
[15:54] <aliverius> why should i use kerberos on my lan?
[15:59] <kim0> Hi folks, just letting you know "Ubuntu Cloud Days" starting about now in #ubuntu-classroom .. Thanks
[16:11] <iclebyte_work> can anyone tell me the status of cobbler for Natty?
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: works nicely for PXE booting
[16:42] <iclebyte_work> RoAkSoAx, I can't seem to get it to run on natty
[16:42] <iclebyte_work> well.. using apt-get install cobbler hasn't created a /etc/apache/conf.d/cobbler_web.conf file - also I had to manually enable mod_proxy for apache
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: cobbler web is not working just yet
[16:43] <iclebyte_work> (which isn't a problem but the installation fails at that point)
[16:43] <iclebyte_work> oh
[16:43] <iclebyte_work> RoAkSoAx, have you got it to work on 10.04 LTS? I'm stuck with this issue http://www.pastie.org/1704023
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: i just tested it on natty
[16:44] <iclebyte_work> what's the offical team working on cobbler implementation on natty  ?
[16:44] <iclebyte_work> I've been scouring launch pad for the last hour trying to find any bug reports / pages regarding natty alpha 3 and cobbler
[16:45] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cobbler
[16:45] <RoAkSoAx> you can file/see bug reports there
[16:45] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: and that error sysms to be with sub_process python module as it might not have the check_output function
[16:47] <iclebyte_work> is that due to a python 2.6 vs 2.7 issue?
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: most likely, yes
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> you'll have to dig through the code
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> but in ubuntu cobbler is not supported in 10.04
[16:50] <iclebyte_work> oh my god, the captcha on launchpad is the hardest i've ever seen
[16:51] <iclebyte_work> okay. so this launchpad page you directed me to is purely for natty yes?
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: not purely for natty, but since cobbler is in natty only, it will only be relevant for natty
[17:03] <iclebyte_work> okay, and since there seem to be 0 bugs reported, who do I talk to about helping out?
[17:03] <iclebyte_work> i've never actually contributed to any opensource projects before - I'm on the ubuntu-server mailing list though
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: you can do that in many ways, such as filing bug reports (and attaching fixes), then by posting on the ubuntu-server ML
[17:04] <iclebyte_work> and I have the resources at work to test natty - it fits in well with my current virtulization project
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> and here through irc you can always find someone
[17:04] <iclebyte_work> okay, but what If I'm telling people what they already know?
[17:05] <iclebyte_work> i think what I'm trying to ask is where can I get upto speed on work that's already been done?
[17:05] <Kyle__> Is there a (relatively streightforward) way of switching a system back to using SLAB instead of SLUB?
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: such as what? Filling bug reports and so?
[17:06] <iclebyte_work> yes - cobbler currently has no bugs listed
[17:07] <iclebyte_work> wait it does - it's under 'open bugs' =)
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> iclebyte_work: there's two bugs listed
[18:04] <NoqturnalX> Hello, I seem to be having a problem with this Ubuntu-Server box. When I came into work this morning it seemed kinda locked up, wouldn't respond to the keyboard other than being able to switch between tty's. So I rebooted it. Now it's been running for a few hours and wont let me log into another tty. I don't get a bash prompt
[18:04] <NoqturnalX> i'm too tired to figure this out on my own, can anyone push me in the right direction?
[18:05] <NoqturnalX> It's Ubuntu Server 7.10, Gutsy
[18:09] <EvilPhoenix> NoqturnalX:  7.10 is past end of life.
[18:09] <EvilPhoenix> i think
[18:09] <EvilPhoenix> !7.10
[18:09] <EvilPhoenix> yep
[18:10] <EvilPhoenix> NoqturnalX:  support is limited at this point to upgrades.
[18:10] <NoqturnalX> well is there any idea what would cause bash prompt to not show up?
[18:10] <EvilPhoenix> i can think of a billion reasons
[18:11] <EvilPhoenix> but since 7.10 is dead, i can only help you with upgrading issues
[18:11] <NoqturnalX> maybe a push in the right direction to find the answer myself, I'm hoping to replace this ancient P.o.S with a Ubuntu 10.10 box that i'm putting together
[18:11] <EvilPhoenix> lol
[18:12] <EvilPhoenix> NoqturnalX:  again, support is limited to helping you upgrade.  because there could be a billion reasons for bash to not show up
[18:12] <ScottK> EvilPhoenix: You can help him however you care to.
[18:12] <NoqturnalX> ssh hangs, tty1 & tty2 both work fine, I logged into both of those as root when I rebooted. But when I noticed ssh wasn't working I went over to the machine and tried to login to tty3 and got nothing after it logged in
[18:14] <EvilPhoenix> NoqturnalX:  i'm going to say that it sounds like something is seriously broken, and debugging that could be a pain
[18:14] <NoqturnalX> ah, so I have fun to look forward to then huh
[18:14] <EvilPhoenix> but i'm not sure, since the oldest i've worked with is 9.04.  ScottK and others might be able to help you further.
[18:15] <NoqturnalX> yea, this thing is pre-historic it was here when I started working here back in September of last year
[18:15] <NoqturnalX> It houses a nice family of Black Widows
[18:15] <EvilPhoenix> lool
[18:15] <NoqturnalX> the school uses it as a samba server I believe. There are 3 shares on it
[18:15] <jkg> would it be an idea to get the machine up to 8.04 anyway? that's got ages left to run, in terms of support life (on the server)
[18:15] <NoqturnalX> and one of which houses the files for the students Mavis Beacon typing tutor classes (I work at a private high school)
[18:16] <ScottK> NoqturnalX: As long as it's not exposed to the internet, you needn't panic about upgrading it, so I'd suggest hurring up on your new box.
[18:16] <NoqturnalX> what are the requirements for 8.04?
[18:16] <ScottK> No more than 7.10, but not knowing what's wrong it's hard to know if upgrading would improve or worsen the situation.
[18:16] <NoqturnalX> it's on the same network as all the other computers, all online so it is on the internet
[18:17] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:17] <ScottK> You don't have a router/firewall that everything local is behind?
[18:17] <ScottK> on/reachable from
[18:17] <NoqturnalX> our network is pretty damn hack n slap
[18:18] <NoqturnalX> we have 5 router's that pretty much all act as wireless access points for the kids, 1 of which acts as a firewall. They're all cheap ass Linksys routers running dd-wrt too
[18:18] <NoqturnalX> lol
[18:18] <NoqturnalX> Welcome to my tech nightmare
[18:18] <lool> EvilPhoenix: Hmm?
[18:18] <ScottK> In that case I'd really get busy on the new server box, but I'd recommend using 10.04 unless you really need something in 10.10 since 10.04 is LTS.
[18:18] <ScottK> lool: I think he meant lol.
[18:18] <EvilPhoenix> lool:  lol, didnt realize your name is here.  "lool" comes from "lol" when my "o" is stickyish :P
[18:18] <lool> Eh ok
[18:19] <NoqturnalX> what's LTS?
[18:19] <EvilPhoenix> LTS is "Long Term Support"
[18:19] <EvilPhoenix> LTS builds are supported for i think 3 years
[18:19] <EvilPhoenix> before EOL
[18:19] <ScottK> EvilPhoenix: 5 years for servers
[18:19] <jkg> 5 on the server, for LTS
[18:19] <NoqturnalX> I'm sorry I'm sooo freaking tired right now you should treat me as if I were retarded at the moment, I haven't slept in a couple days lol
[18:19] <EvilPhoenix> ScottK:  ah, right :P
[18:19] <NoqturnalX> and I'm not exactly a Linux Pro yet, I still think i'm a novice
[18:20] <NoqturnalX> well i've been experimenting with the 10.10 server
[18:20] <NoqturnalX> trying to figure out Radius and some other stuff
[18:20] <NoqturnalX> I suppose I should quit clowning around and just replace the dinosaur with it already
[18:22] <ScottK> That would be my advice
[18:22] <NoqturnalX> I mainly want 1 server for network shares, a syslog server so the router's can dump their log files, and that's pretty much it as far as I can think. I'm still experimenting with Radius
[18:23] <NoqturnalX> maybe a web server to play around with too
[18:23] <NoqturnalX> and mrtg
[18:25] <NoqturnalX> what exactly is nautalis or however you spell it
[18:26] <NoqturnalX> Nautilus I think it's spelled
[18:28] <Kyle__> I have a system that is refusing to use it's swap.  Any ideas?
[18:28] <genii-around> NoqturnalX: It's a file browser for use in gnome desktop
[18:29] <NoqturnalX> thanks genii-around, I am guessing I don't need it for the file server :P
[18:30] <genii-around> NoqturnalX: No :)
[18:31] <NoqturnalX> I don't use X on the 10.10 box anyways lol. Hell I don't even use it on the 7.10 box but it's running
[18:31] <TeTeT> Kyle__: what's in /proc/sys/vm/swappiness ? take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[18:31] <Kyle__> TeTeT: it's on it's default of 60, haven't touched it.
[18:33] <Kyle__> TeTeT: Swap is configured, but remains untouched.  My /var/log/syslog and kernlogs are full of SLUB call traces.
[18:33] <Kyle__> running badblocks on the partition used for swap returns nothing (means no badblocks).  Recreating swap doesn't seem to help, no matter what options.
[18:41] <aliverius> any command to see the space a dir and its contents keep?
[18:42] <Kyle__> aliverius: du.  du -hsc /path/to/whatever/directory/you/are/interested/in
[18:42] <Kyle__> (strange that I have such a path, I know)
[18:44] <NoqturnalX> Ok, I just issued a reboot & poweroff command and it broadcasts but doesn't do anything.......
[18:46] <NoqturnalX> hmmm
[18:46] <Kyle__> NoqturnalX: What were expecting which to do?
[18:46] <NoqturnalX> i thought to return from away you just type /away again when you return lol. I'm stuck on stupid
[18:46] <NoqturnalX> I was expecting it to restart or shutdown one or the other
[18:46] <Kyle__> Don't sweat it.  We all have those days.
[18:47] <NoqturnalX> normally when I throw a reboot command at it, it begins stopping services, etc and finally just restarts
[18:47] <NoqturnalX> but nothing
[18:47] <Kyle__> NoqturnalX: Are you doing this as root?
[18:47] <thekkid> so im looking for some uses for my home server, any ideas
[18:47] <Kyle__> NoqturnalX: And is this is unbuntu or some other linux/unix, or some psudo OS?
[18:48] <NoqturnalX> also looking in the /home folder I saw folders for administrator, teacher, student (those are expected) but also ws01-ws10 folders too
[18:48] <NoqturnalX> I am root and this is the Ubuntu 7.10 box
[18:48] <NoqturnalX> let me double check that i'm root
[18:48] <NoqturnalX> I could be having a moment of epic tardedness
[18:49] <NoqturnalX> yup
[18:49] <NoqturnalX> i'm root in tty1 & tty2
[18:49] <NoqturnalX> would be root in tty3 but eh, won't give me a prompt
[18:49] <Kyle__> Try um, telinit 0.  I think that should do.
[18:49] <NoqturnalX> telinit?
[18:49] <NoqturnalX> or init
[18:50] <Kyle__> I think it's telinit.  It's been awhile since I've done it that way.
[18:50] <NoqturnalX> i tried init 6 but it didn't do anything lol
[18:50] <NoqturnalX> alrighty brb
[18:50] <NoqturnalX> no dice
[18:51] <Kyle__> How long has that thing been up?  Just curious...
[18:51] <NoqturnalX> going on 4 hours
[18:51] <NoqturnalX> it's been up for 200 days in the past
[18:52] <NoqturnalX> but then someone unplugging the stupid power cable broke that record
[18:52] <NoqturnalX> today was the first time I had to reboot it in a few weeks
[18:53] <Kyle__> Weird.
[18:54] <NoqturnalX> it refuses to die
[18:54] <Kyle__> Is this a matter of pride, or do you not have immidiate physical access to manually "reboot" it (yank power cord, plug in, hit power)
[18:54]  * NoqturnalX looks for sludge hammer
[18:55] <NoqturnalX> I just dont want to lean all the way down and hit the power button......wait I can't do that anymore lol
[18:55] <NoqturnalX> I disconnected the power button a couple months ago when a student accidentally kicked it
[18:55] <NoqturnalX> So i'd have to do what I did this morning and reach into the webfield of widow webs to yank the power
[18:55] <Kyle__> NoqturnalX: I know there's a place in /proc (or is it sys?  It's been so long...) where you can cat a 1 into a psudo-file and force a reboot
[18:57] <NoqturnalX> I should just kick the damn thing really hard
[18:57] <NoqturnalX> that usually shocks a PC into rebooting
[18:58] <Kyle__> heh, sorry
[18:58]  * NoqturnalX wonders where the coach keeps the baseball bats
[18:59] <NoqturnalX> Anger management, Workout, Wakeup call & fix my server problem all in one solution
[19:01] <NoqturnalX> ok, what is [2011 Mar 23 11:58:46 FLHS-SERVER pam_smbpass(passwd:chauthtok): Failed to find entry for user teacher.] ???
[19:02] <NoqturnalX> i just added user teacher to the new server i'm working on and tried to give him a password lol
[19:03] <NoqturnalX> brb maybe some food will help the brain gears turn a bit
[19:04] <genii-around> Noqturnal|AFK: Did you smbpasswd -e teacher   and restart smb?
[19:08] <Noqturnal|AFK> genii-around: no just creating user for the new server, is there a difference between smbpasswd n passwd?
[19:09] <genii-around> Noqturnal|AFK: They are not always synched. Also you can have smb user names which have no correlation to system user names,
[19:11] <Noqturnal|AFK> i'm completely new to using Linux as a samba server, you got a fav article or tutorial I can read up on this with?\
[19:12] <SpamapS> !guide
[19:12] <SpamapS> Noqturnal|AFK: ^^
[19:12] <Noqturnal|AFK> k thx
[19:22] <aliverius> ty Kyle__
[19:59] <Noqturnal|AFK> chkrootkit & rkhunter turned up nothing lol
[19:59] <Noqturnal|AFK> interestingly enough though it struggled to boot a couple times until I unplugged the ethernet cable
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping, when you have the time, could you take a look to the latest powernap branch and see the fix for bug #735452 can make it to natty please?
[20:46] <azertyu> hi there
[20:48] <laen> Hai thar.
[20:50] <azertyu> as i got a pc wich is directly expose to internet, where there is no router, ppl say that it is possible to create a route to secure the pc without needing a hardware router
[20:50] <azertyu> is that possible ?
[20:50] <laen> Are you on drugs?
[20:50] <azertyu> xhy ?
[20:50] <azertyu> why ?
[20:50] <laen> You are.
[20:50] <azertyu> is it possible or not ?
[20:50] <kirkland> laen: we try to be a little kinder than that, here :-)
[20:51] <laen> Ow, okay.
[20:51] <azertyu> well, is it easy to create route on a pc ?
[20:52] <laen> azertyu: what do you think a router is?
[20:53] <thesheff17> azertyu: I have used this gentoo router guide before.  Just uses iptables and works great http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml
[20:54] <Pici> azertyu: It depends what expectations you have of the 'router.' At a minimum you'll need multiple network cards.
[20:55] <azertyu> why you use gentoo ?
[20:55] <thesheff17> azertyu: it uses iptables...which works on ubuntu...it is just on the gentoo site.
[20:55] <RoyK> azertyu: probably because he LOVES watching the system compile
[20:55] <thesheff17> lol I don't
[20:56] <laen> Pici: wrong.
[20:56] <azertyu> why i need multiple network cards ? Pici
[20:56] <thesheff17> one will be the public network one will be the private network
[20:56] <oneseventeen> I'm using apache 2 and a newly created self signed SSL cert and I'm getting ssl connection errors.
[20:56] <oneseventeen> I know it is something I messed up
[20:56] <azertyu> correct thesheff17
[20:56] <thesheff17> hence a router
[20:56] <RoyK> azertyu: it's somewhat possible to create a router with virtual nic's but it'll be a mess
[20:56] <laen> oneseventeen: see the Apache documentation
[20:56] <Pici> laen: could you clarify?
[20:57] <laen> Pici: you're not required to have multiple interfaces. Well, i guess 2 would do.
[20:57] <NoqturnalX> grawr
[20:57] <azertyu> take a example of physical router on what he does Pici
[20:57] <RoyK> Pici: it's possible with a single NIC using "virtual" NICs, but it'll be a true fscking messup
[20:57] <azertyu> working with one network card
[20:57] <laen> RoyK: why is that a fscking messup? Are we talking the Ubuntu way now?
[20:57] <NoqturnalX> ok, i'm having yet another moment of stupidity
[20:58] <laen> NoqturnalX: it's normal, we're in #ubuntu-server.
[20:58] <RoyK> a NIC costs, what, $10?
[20:58] <oneseventeen> laen: They have thousands of pages and I'm not sure which one to look at.  did you have a particular one in mind?
[20:58] <NoqturnalX> I can't seem to login with the user I created on my Samba
[20:58] <azertyu> giving multiple virtualnetwork interfaces
[20:58] <laen> I had enough of this clueless talk, have fun all.
[20:58] <oneseventeen> I should mention I have 3 other ubuntu servers with self signed certs working just fine... not sure why it isn't working.
[20:58] <RoyK> what's the reason to try to fight the laws of nature (read TCP/IP and down) by leaving the system with just one?
[20:58] <Pici> azertyu: I'm more familiar with using multiple NICs, but if they say you can use one, then you can use one.
[20:59] <azertyu> if you are more familiar with multiple NIC"'s
[20:59] <NoqturnalX> i've been following the instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/samba-fileserver.html but I've hit some kind of wall somewhere
[20:59] <azertyu> tell me the utility of using multiple NIC "s ?
[21:00] <RoyK> azertyu: just configure them in /etc/network/interfaces, and setup iptables or whatever to do the good stuff
[21:00] <azertyu> when we need multiple  NIC 's ?
[21:00] <azertyu> in which case ?
[21:00] <Pici> azertyu: I think theres probably someone more knowledgable here about actually setting this up than I am :/
[21:00] <RoyK> if you want the machine to be on several networks
[21:02] <RoyK> of course, with VLAN tagging, a single NIC will be more NICs, so problem solved, given the other end also understands VLAN tagging
[21:02] <RoyK> such as a somewhat switch
[21:02] <RoyK> s/somewhat/somewhat smart/
[21:03] <azertyu> RoyK>	if you want the machine to be on several networks
[21:03] <azertyu> are you talking about cluster computer ?
[21:03] <RoyK> s/be on/connected locally to/
[21:04] <RoyK> azertyu: a simple router connects two networks, and should have a NIC for each of them, unless tagged VLAN is used
[21:04] <NoqturnalX> ok so I used "adduser teacher" to add the teacher user and gave it a password, teacher is in the smbusers list & also in the valid users list for the share Install, When I browse to Install and enter in teacher as username & teacher's password it fails to let me in, what did I do wrong?
[21:04] <RoyK> azertyu: other cases include having a dedicated storage network for, say, iSCSI - you'd want jumboframes on that, and you'd want that separate
[21:06] <NoqturnalX> when I type 'passwd teacher' to change teacher's passwd (just to be sure) I am greeted with 'Enter new UNIX password: 2011 Mar 23 14:03:03 FLHS-SERVER pam_smbpass(passwd:chuthtok): Failed to find entry for user teacher.'
[21:07] <NoqturnalX> and so I enter in the password anyways and retype it to confirm it and I get the same message and then appended to it is 'passwd: passwd updated successfully'
[21:07] <RoyK> NoqturnalX: tried smbpasswd?
[21:07] <NoqturnalX> even tried smbpasswd and restarting smbd & nmbd as well
[21:07] <azertyu> how to create a tagged VLAN ?
[21:07] <NoqturnalX> no dice so far
[21:08] <azertyu> i know that is possible on router such nortel etc ...
[21:08] <RoyK> azertyu: google for it - vlan tagging, 802.1q, is quite nice if you have the equipment supporting it
[21:08] <RoyK> azertyu: 802.1q is on L2, data link
[21:08] <RoyK> so not really what a router would need to know
[21:08] <azertyu> but my question  is it possible to tag VLAN on a pc ?
[21:09] <RoyK> a switch, on the other hand...
[21:09] <RoyK> azertyu: yes
[21:09] <RoyK> azertyu: google for it
[21:09] <RoyK> !802.1q
[21:09] <RoyK> !vlan
[21:09] <RoyK> !idiobot
[21:09] <azertyu> ?vlan
[21:10] <oneseventeen> does anyone know of a great reliable tutorial on how to self sign a cert for apache2 in ubuntu server?
[21:10]  * oneseventeen inserts bad joke reminding everyone to P-LAN before they V-LAN
[21:11] <RoyK> azertyu: http://tinyurl.com/46j63d9
[21:12] <RoyK> oneseventeen: I know this rather good place to find that - google.com iirc
[21:14] <azertyu> what is a bonding ?
[21:14] <azertyu> what is a "bonding" ?
[21:15] <RoyK> bonding is usually "link aggregation"
[21:15] <azertyu> channel bonding on vlans.
[21:15] <azertyu> which means ?
[21:15] <RoyK> I guess using several physical links to carry several VLANs
[21:16] <RoyK> say VLANs 1,10,20 are tagged on the link, then using LACP or similar to aggregate two or more links to get more bandwidth, and using that for the carrier of the tagged VLANs
[21:16] <azertyu> the purpose is it for the maxmize the bandwith speed ?
[21:16] <azertyu> i don't know if it is possible ?
[21:16] <azertyu> to maximize the bandwith speed
[21:17] <RoyK> in case of LACP, which is the most common protocol, yes, both get more speed, due to more aggregated links, and to allow one or more to fail
[21:17] <RoyK> if you have two 1Gbps links, why not use both? :)
[21:17] <oneseventeen> RoyK: funny, that site led me to tons of articles with the same methods, yet everytime I a2ensite default-ssl apache won't start.
[21:17] <NoqturnalX> RoyK: when i do smbpasswd teacher I put in the password twice and I get 'Failed to find entry for user teacher.'
[21:18] <RoyK> NoqturnalX: dunno then - sorry
[21:22] <NoqturnalX> RoyK: smbpasswd -a teacher ;) I think I may be in luck
[21:23] <azertyu> ok
[21:24] <snapfractalpop> does anyone here have experience with fatclients?
[21:25] <azertyu> so if i understand it correctly the best way to securing is to use the VLAN concept
[21:25] <NoqturnalX> I think i'm going to call it a day and go home n knock myself out, been up all week. And i know it's not Sunday anymore
[21:26] <azertyu> am i right ?
[21:29] <oneseventeen> ssl solution: change second LCertificateFile that points to the key file to "SSLCertificateKeyFile"... doh!
[21:31] <snapfractalpop> is there an ubuntu-server metapackage that can be installed over ubuntu-desktop? every google search seems to talk about the oposite..
[21:32] <oneseventeen> snapfractalpop: I'd imagine it would be an apt-get remove metapackage... doesn't server just have the bare minimum?
[21:35] <snapfractalpop> oneseventeen: that's what i thought originally, especially since LAMP seems to be included (in Lucid, anyway).. but i'm trying to do a netboot with a "fatclient" and many of the server progs were not installed/configured (like dnsmasq, dhcp3-server, tftp-hpa, etc..
[21:36] <snapfractalpop> many of the configurations ive read about seem to contradict eachother.. and i'm getting lost in the "spagetti" of it all..
[21:36] <oneseventeen> ahh...
[21:37] <oneseventeen> bummer, sorry I know very little of that.
[21:37] <hallyn> SpamapS: assigning a few bugs to you :)
[21:38] <hallyn> SpamapS: I'm assuming you in fact *want* them
[22:49] <EvilPhoenix> i'm having issues using the command line sftp command, i'm trying to put a directory up to an sftp server recursively, and there's no -r flag (for recursive) in it.  how do i upload a directory recursively?
[22:57] <hggdh> EvilPhoenix, you don't, not right now on sftp
[22:58] <hggdh> EvilPhoenix, look at rsync, for example
[22:58] <RoyK> EvilPhoenix: what's wrong with rsync?
[22:58] <EvilPhoenix> RoyK: no rsync/ssh access, sftp only :/
[22:58] <RoyK> lol
[22:58] <EvilPhoenix> RoyK:  ikr?
[22:58] <RoyK> sftp runs over ssh
[22:58] <RoyK> so does rsync
[22:58]  * EvilPhoenix shrugs
[22:58] <RoyK> that is, you'll need the rsync binary on the server, but all traffic runs over ssh unless you force it otherwise
[23:00] <EvilPhoenix> is there a reason that the stock sftp command packaged on 10.10 includes a -r (recursive) flag for the sftp "put" command, then?
[23:00] <EvilPhoenix> :/
[23:00] <RoyK> if you have sftp access, scp will certainly work
[23:00] <RoyK> try scp
[23:00] <RoyK> if rsync doesn't work
[23:19] <Aison> hello
[23:20] <Aison> is there are nice point to point network speed test tool? eg. I install it on a master and on a slave and then the tool tests the speed between the nodes?
[23:21] <Aison> I already heard about "bing" but I can't find it in ubuntu
[23:27] <iceflatline> iperf
[23:27] <iceflatline> http://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf/
[23:28] <Aison> :D
[23:28] <iceflatline> May the force be with you :)
[23:30] <Aison> it's cool, thx and it works nice
[23:31] <Aison> nice, it works  938 Mbits/sec
[23:32] <Aison> I wounder now where my bottleneck is, copy files with samba is really slow sometimes
[23:36] <v3ctor> disk I/O ?
[23:41] <SpamapS> hallyn2: Hah, I do in fact want those. I typically haven't assigned myself to bugs until I start working on them though.
[23:52] <Aison> v3ctor, maybe ;)  I need also a tool to test the disk i/o :D
[23:53] <v3ctor> iostat
[23:57] <Aison> hmm, Blk_read/s: 163.26, Blk_wrtn/s: 1104.21
[23:57] <Aison> what does that mean
[23:58] <Aison> it's a 6TB raid6