hamitronsuppose I should charge my PSP for entertainment00:00
dutchiemgdm: job, not membership :)00:01
hamitronhow can you use 8Gb RAM in windows?00:10
hamitronI think I was maybe greedy and didn't need this much00:11
HazRPGhamitron: load up a game 4 times :P00:11
hamitronI only have a 17" CRT monitor :/00:12
ali1234after effects will easily use up that much memory with ram previews00:12
ali1234that's about 30 seconds of SD video or something00:13
hamitronI got 3.2gb used earlier00:14
hamitronusing vmware00:14
hamitronbut have since decided it wasn't good for what I wanted00:14
ali1234so it seems like most of the bad things in unity are infecting the "classic" desktop too00:31
ali1234when i upgraded yesterday the classic desktop didn't have global-menu by default00:37
ali1234although there was a panel applet i could add and remove at will00:38
hamitronthis is the beta?00:38
ali1234although when i created a new user, global-menu was enforced, and "remove from panel" was greyed out on the global menu00:38
ali1234after a clean install, same thing00:38
ali1234beta isn't out yet00:38
ali1234this is alpha 300:38
ali1234updating it now00:39
ali1234oh, updating failed, "can't install 'unity-desktop'"00:40
ali1234is it possible to run apport-collect or w/e remotely, and then have the bug report URL sent to myself on, say, bonjour (chat protocol for LAN) so i can fill the details on a machine that actually works?00:41
ali1234i bet it would be quite easy actually00:42
Seeker`ali1234: don't complain about bugs in alpha software :P00:47
shaunono, do.  the whole point of alpha is to fix those before it's released00:47
Seeker`shauno: report them by all means, but don't *complain* about them00:48
ali1234why do you think i asked about apport-collect?00:48
ali1234second partial upgrade begins...00:54
ali1234update manager crashed00:56
ali1234and the crash report is corrupted00:56
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Azelphurmy computers going insane, when I press RCTRL in a terminal I get ~02:46
Azelphurright supor is . xD02:46
Azelphurand when I press up on the arrows, it takes a screenshot02:47
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Azelphurmaybe I just need to reboot for the latest update :s02:48
Azelphurthere, reboot fixed it :P02:55
shaunomental note; next time I try to transcode video, start it before I go to bed, not before I settle down infront of the computer for the day :/03:21
shaunopoor lil lappy's blowing so hard, I swear it'd run faster than me if I put wheels on it03:21
AzelphurAnyone know how to use apport to catch a compiz crash?03:24
HazRPGeven though I've been tidying up... it still looks messy :/ :: https://picasaweb.google.com/hazrpg/DIY?feat=directlink03:41
HazRPGyes... I have 3 swizzle chairs and 1 regular03:42
HazRPGback when I use to host lan parties...03:42
HazRPGalso comes in handy when I have clients... I tend to move the mess away before I have people round though lol03:43
shaunothat kitchen chair.  I swear I have the very same one03:44
HazRPGwouldn't surprise me03:44
HazRPGI think it was bought from tescos?03:44
shaunono idea, was here when we moved in03:44
HazRPGI dragged it from the conservatory where the table that goes with is...03:45
HazRPGshauno: have you got a round table that goes with it?03:45
shaunoaye, with a leaf in the middle03:45
shaunoand stupidly huge legs that make it awkward to actually sit at03:45
HazRPGah... mine doesn't have a leaf on it lol03:45
HazRPGyeah... mines got that though03:46
shaunotis not ours tho.  we rent. because the property market here isn't something I want to get involved with03:46
HazRPGthe box under the table where the TV is... that's where the other C64 is located03:46
HazRPGah that makes sense03:46
HazRPGis it wrong that I just noticed my suit-jacket on the chair after looking through the photos and not by actually looking at the chair :S??03:49
shaunoI think it's wrong that you take pictures of that kinda thing in the first place :)03:50
HazRPGthat I took photos of my room?03:50
HazRPGI was just proving to my friend on mumble that I have actually done something constructive today03:51
HazRPGhe seems to think I don't do anything all day long03:51
HazRPGon one hand, I wish I had less stuff... and on the other, I wish I had better places to store my stuff03:52
shaunoI just gave up and admitted my "office" isn't safe for human consumption :)03:53
HazRPGthat's usually a similar explanation I give others03:54
HazRPGmy mother would kill me if she ever saw it like this03:54
HazRPGshe's too much of a clean-freak03:55
shaunowe have a stalemate.  she leaves my mess alone, if I promise to confine it to a single room03:55
HazRPGheh, my dad and I have that arrangement too03:56
HazRPGmother on the other hand... if its not clean, there will be war!03:57
HazRPGthankfully neither visit... so it's a win-win03:57
HazRPGalthough, arguably... she's would be just as bad as me, if she lived in a house the same size I do...03:58
shaunoI could probably use a lot more storage :/  I find that "holy explosion of nerdosity, batman" works for me just fine tho04:03
* HazRPG is rather intrigued04:09
HazRPGno way your mess can be worse then mine04:09
HazRPGconsidering you've only seen my computer room (I should really learn to start calling it an office... but that's I think that's the proper term for it)... I have a shed full of old computers... and a living room full of my DVD's04:10
HazRPGthankfully though the living room is tidy04:11
shaunothe one I just sent ya is quite old (a good 5-7 years ago)04:12
shaunobut an idea of how untidy I get04:13
shauno2006 per exif :/  time flies04:15
HazRPGtime does fly04:15
HazRPGheh, so glad I'm not the only one then04:15
HazRPGalthough, at least the desk is still visible though04:15
shaunoand I've an excuse for the coke cans; they're returnable in michigan04:16
HazRPGloving the original diablo box btw :P04:16
HazRPGheh, I do that too... cos in saudi they're returnable :P04:16
HazRPGits a habit that just hasn't died04:16
shaunoI think that's the battlechest, so not so original; diablo, d2 & d2:lod04:16
HazRPGbattlechest would only contain d2 and d2:lod04:17
HazRPGwait hang on... so that picture is of your room in michigan... and you were bitching at me about how I was taking photos of my room :P04:18
shaunothat's 5 years ago :)04:18
HazRPGstill a photo... that you took... of your room computering area!04:19
shaunoat 4am, according to exif.  some things don't change :p04:19
HazRPGin fact... wouldn't that be worse, considering you've kept the photo this long xD04:19
shaunonah, I've just had the same webhost for too long04:20
HazRPGheh, yeah... I have a feeling the late nights/early mornings just comes with the profession/hobby choice04:20
HazRPGright, quick re-log... since ubuntu has decided that it doesn't want to mount my CD drive :/04:22
shaunowell, just for late-night amusement, here's "5 years on"04:29
HazRPGtidier, I must say04:30
shaunobigger desk :)04:30
HazRPGmuch like my big-desk investment04:30
shaunothat, and foodstuffs violate the "my room" treaty, so it's just nerdjunk now04:30
HazRPGI love how the cornered off table is placed in-front of another table... instead of having the table in the corner...04:32
shaunonot many options :/  it's a pretty small room04:32
shaunothis is the only wall it'll go up against without blocking in either the radiator, or the door04:33
HazRPGsee I have the advantage of my computer room suppose to be a living room factor04:33
shaunothe other 'table' is a permanent fixture; it's actually the top of the stairwell, boxed over04:34
HazRPGheh, well that makes sense I guess... odd house design choice however04:34
shaunothat was like that when we got here, but apparently an attempt to turn what'd otherwise be a 45º chunk of floor into useful space04:35
shaunoyes.  idiotic house designs seem normal here04:35
HazRPGheh, old houses here are just as bad though04:35
shaunoseems to be part of the whole property boom thing.  seems people who had no business building homes, gave it their best shot anyway04:36
HazRPGour living/TV/lounge room has a chimney against one wall... so you've got like half a metre clearance on either side of it, that's 1/4 to half a metre in diameter...04:37
HazRPGthen there's like a concrete patch infront of where the fireplace would have been... so we've had to sort of squeeze a sofa between the door and that concrete patch...04:39
HazRPGthe concrete is tiled up, so it doesn't look that bad... it just leaves the room looking big, but small because you can't fit anything in because of the odd proportions04:39
HazRPGshauno: oh, I guess that's one way of looking at it04:40
shaunoI prefer older homes04:40
HazRPGhow so?04:41
shaunoif the bathroom hasn't dropped thru in the last 100 years, it's not about to start now :)04:41
shaunostill trying to get the landlord to fix a small issue where if we shower, water comes thru the cooker hood downstairs04:41
HazRPGI have this vision of someone having a shower... where water is going down from the shower... meanwhile downstairs, water is showering upwards from the cooker - in a charlie chaplin sort of manner04:43
shaunoyou can see the paint peeling at the top of that last photo, because the bathroom above us was apparently fitted by a stag party04:43
HazRPGheh seriously!04:44
shaunoso if we use the en-suite, water ends up in my office.  if we use the regular bathroom, it ends up in the kitchen04:44
shaunomakes me think they should stick bathrooms on the ground floor only, so it's nowhere further to go04:44
HazRPGbathrooms use to be ground floor only at one point04:45
shaunomy nanna's house is like that04:45
shaunothe bathroom is downstairs, because when they moved in, it was outside.  so when they converted, it was put up against the kitchen because that's where the plumbing is04:46
HazRPGwhen my dad bought his first house (which he still owns) he knocked the wall between where the house and outside bathroom met04:46
HazRPGheh yeah, pretty much what you just said :P04:46
HazRPGthe bathroom is technically next to the kitchen04:47
shaunothey kept their outside one tho.  kinda cute when it's just a novelty04:47
HazRPGheh awesome04:48
HazRPG"going for a smoke, and then a piss" comes to mind04:48
HazRPGhopefully not at the same time xD04:48
HazRPGalthough I have seen my mother do that though >_<04:49
shaunotiny little mining village in durham .. visiting them always felt like a trip back in time04:49
HazRPGshe has a habit of NOT closing bathroom doors04:49
HazRPGsomething which took me 18 years to get use to04:49
shaunoI'm the eldest of 5 .. a bolt was always the only expectation of privacy04:51
HazRPGheh, I grew up with locks not working04:56
shaunowoot, transcode finished :)04:57
shaunohopefully new laptop this weekend, then this one will be opened to even more abuse04:59
HazRPGshauno: http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/10/Winrar_is_you.png05:08
shaunonah, it's just "my turn".  last year we blew my bonus on keeping Herself happy, this year it's my turn05:12
HazRPGrefers to previous picture :D! \o/05:13
HazRPGsomeone has just sent me this linked, and it amused me...05:14
shaunookay, not random at all :p05:15
HazRPGshe has penguin underpants...05:15
* HazRPG <== liked penguins before he even heard about linux05:16
HazRPGif fact I think I came across linux because I was looking for some penguin wallpapers and was wondering who tux was back when I was 1405:17
shaunocould never figure out why they had welsh names tho05:17
HazRPGwhy what had welsh names?05:17
shaunopen (penn?) gwyn is "white head".  that can't be a coincidence.  penguins are welsh :)05:18
shauno(no, I wasn't going to claim tux's real name is dafyyd)05:19
HazRPGslightly disturbed with the music I just found marked "arabic music"05:22
HazRPGits a CD I found while cleaning, guessing it's a disc one of my cousins made me05:22
HazRPGfirst song so far has a kid saying "baba ubah" <arabic kid gibberish words> "baba ubah"... which translates as "dad, piggyback" or "dad, lift me up"05:23
HazRPGit is just gibberish words that kids say...05:24
HazRPGjust heard "wawa" and that's a kids way of saying "booboo" or "I have a cut/swore" of some description05:24
HazRPGthankfully the rest aren't as bad05:25
shaunoit'll be nice to have a laptop that doesn't have a fried battery.  waiting to go watch a movie, but can't move the laptop until this copy has finished05:26
shaunobecause the battery won't last the time it takes to get downstairs :/05:26
HazRPGtrack 4: "My heart, my heart... is on fire!"05:26
HazRPGmovie on laptop I'm guessing?05:27
shaunoit is at the moment, it'll be on the TV in "about 12 minutes"05:27
HazRPGvia HDMI or similar?05:27
shaunonah, got a gizmo that sits in front of the TV to do it, ftp'ing the file to the telly now05:28
HazRPGheh nice :)05:28
shaunoit's just difficult to sit infront of the telly with no internet for 2 hours, so waiting until I can take the lappy with me :)05:28
HazRPGI just use my PS3 for streaming content via "Media Server"05:28
shaunoI have an (old-style) appletv, all loaded up with xbmc05:29
HazRPGand women say we can't multitask :P we can internets and watch a film!05:29
HazRPGI had the same with my ps3 originally when it had linux on it05:29
HazRPGthen the took it away from me :(05:29
shaunoit's a pretty pathetic little box, but it's wife-friendly05:30
HazRPGjust cos my sister decided it would be a good idea to accept the update05:30
shauno(again, the "keep my mess in my room" treaty)05:30
HazRPGheh \o/05:30
HazRPGman, I hope I can find a woman that would ever agree to my geeky ways05:31
shaunoI did manage to get an exception made for the NES tho :)05:31
HazRPGwinner :P05:31
shaunonot found a tidy way to keep that, without wrapping cables around the controller and straining them05:32
HazRPGdude, I had a little gizmo for my PSX that stored the controllers away, and the PSX box, etc05:33
HazRPGmaybe you should just invest in one of those - it is the right size for most consoles05:33
HazRPGI bought it years ago from like a game/console style hobby shop (not a big brand store) so not sure how "available" they are05:33
shaunonah, they're too awesome to hide :)05:34
shaunogot the gun for it too, but that ended up in my "drawer of cables" because it won't work on our telly :(05:34
HazRPGit was neat, it was basically like a draw thing that you could rest under the TV, or similar, and you store a controller in each compartment... the console in the main one and all the wires loop round nicely05:34
HazRPGthink that's still in saudi...05:35
HazRPGwas great for keeping dust away too05:35
shaunocan't remember exactly what the deal is, but the gun wants a proper crt, not lcd/plasma05:36
HazRPGwas just about to say05:37
HazRPGits something to do with the scanlines, and the refresh rates05:37
HazRPGprobably size of pixels too05:37
HazRPGbecause I've noticed some of my light guns won't work on some CRT's that were produced over the last 4 years or so05:38
shaunoprobably because the timing on them is pretty much artificial now05:39
HazRPGits driving me insane... can't find an image for that PSX storage thing I had05:39
shaunoheh, it's not a worry.  I like having it out.  it's like a trophy :)05:39
HazRPGoh, no its because I'm looking to invest in another one - because I'm not sure if my dad will have thrown out that old one I had05:41
HazRPGmy psx is getting dusty with lack of use over the years05:41
HazRPGthat and the fact that having all my controllers stored away in a draw with other cables, is just not cool lol05:41
HazRPGheh, had this in my C&P, clearly didn't finish typing it: personally, a wife that lets you have a man-cave ("office") and allows you to stay up till funny hours is always a winner05:43
shaunowe each have our own odd habits05:44
HazRPGtrue... not often ya can find a pair that'll just live with them though05:44
HazRPGseems to be the trend that women would rather you live with their habits, but want you to get rid of ALL yours...05:45
HazRPGI managed to get away with a few with one of my ex's, but she used it against me to dump me :/05:45
shaunoI've a feeling that was plan A, until I turned out to be largely untrainable05:46
HazRPGyeah, but that's the cool thing... she decided to go with a plan B... most just run away05:46
* HazRPG grumbles05:46
HazRPGya haven't even heard the worse part05:47
HazRPGapparently I was only meant to be "a bit of fun... a summer fling" but apparently she fell for me, which is why we were together for a year... according to her05:47
HazRPGwas going to propose to her, but about a month before I decided I would... she said "we want different things" (lies? both wanted similar house choices, life plans, etc... which we'd discussed several times randomly)05:49
shaunobummer :/05:49
HazRPGtell me about it :(05:49
HazRPGI worked it out, the only thing that was different about what we both wanted... was that I didn't mind where I'd get married but had ideas about where would be good... and she wanted to get married in a church, but I can't do that without changing religion - or finding a church that would be cool with a mixed religion marriage05:50
HazRPGguessing she just couldn't see the hassle finding a church that would05:51
HazRPGwhich I'd already started looking for anyways... obviously without telling her (which probably was my downfall)05:52
HazRPGI find it ironic that the guy she went for after me, was the complete opposite - and totally the kind of guy she said she'd normally avoid05:53
HazRPGeach to their own I guess05:53
shaunowell, at least you found out before you did anything too permanent I guess05:54
HazRPGtrue... but that's just it, I don't think it would have been bad, I just think she assumed because of the way I was that I wouldn't advance05:55
HazRPGwhich is ironic, she said I'd never go anywhere... but well I currently have 2 jobs put on hold until I finish my degree - and I now have a HND... and things looking bright, yet she's finished her degree... and is slowly moving up the retail business and things slowly to a halt almost05:57
HazRPGfunny how  things turn out isn't it05:57
shaunoI did HND .. nasty, nasty thing :/05:57
HazRPGlol why?05:58
knightwisemorning !05:58
shaunomorning knightwise05:58
HazRPGknightwise: morning05:58
HazRPGmy dad originally went to saudi on the basis that he had a HND and got himself a well-paid job with it05:58
shaunoHazRPG: found it difficult to translate into an equivalent in the US05:58
HazRPGshauno: best way to describe it, is that its almost a degree - except you have to do work experience to achieve it05:59
knightwisehey HazRPG shauno06:00
knightwisehow are you guyz today06:00
shaunoI tried to join the navy over there (loooong story), they took one look at my hnd, decided it was worthless and set about trying to get my gcse records from home06:00
HazRPGshauno: seriously?06:00
HazRPGcompanies in saudi seem to prefer those with a HND than those with a degree... just because they've got the experience to go with it06:01
HazRPGknightwise: not bad, how's you?06:01
* MartijnVdS yawns06:01
HazRPGMartijnVdS: \o/ dude06:01
knightwisenot too god :( gui on my main machine wont start :(06:01
knightwisehey MartijnVdS !06:01
shaunoit went way downhill after that, when they couldn't figure out how to get my records from the NEAB06:01
HazRPGknightwise: ouch06:01
MartijnVdSbanshee maintainers, y u no upload new version!06:02
HazRPGMartijnVdS: because Rhythm is so much better?06:02
MartijnVdSHazRPG: that's not the point06:02
MartijnVdSHazRPG: also, banshee has gotten better06:02
MartijnVdSexcept the "gio" module is broken atm06:03
MartijnVdSso it can't copy stuff to my Nexus One06:03
knightwisedoes anybody know where i need to start looking to fix this ?06:03
HazRPGknightwise: erm... what's it throwing up at you exactly?06:03
MartijnVdSknightwise: what kind of graphics chip do you have? what's the error?06:03
MartijnVdSknightwise: which version of *ubuntu06:03
knightwiseLets see :)06:03
HazRPGshauno: is there more? That sentence seems to have stopped dead to me...06:04
knightwiseI've got an asus eeebox ( but everything worked fine up to sunday i think)06:04
knightwiseWhat i get now is just the login window06:04
shaunoHazRPG: nah, it just gets even less interesting after that06:04
HazRPGknightwise: hmm, login... and type gnome-desktop06:04
HazRPGI think it is...06:04
knightwisecommand not found ?06:05
knightwiseisnt it startx06:05
HazRPGshauno: I'm sure your glad ya didn't end up in the army/navy though :)?06:05
shaunoHazRPG: last I heard from my recruiter, he was still trying to figure out how to issue a check in pounds sterling, because the NEAB wouldn't take payment in dollars.  about 6 months into "get shaun's gcse records from the UK" I got bored and left the country06:05
HazRPGknightwise: ah, yes... sorry that was the one I meant :)06:05
knightwiseuser not authorised to run x server06:05
knightwise(and i'm root )06:05
* MartijnVdS just dropped out of uni, went to program Perl for a local ISP06:05
shaunoknightwise: are you local ?06:06
HazRPGshauno: heh :/06:06
knightwisefatal server report , no screens found06:06
knightwiseerm yes06:06
MartijnVdSknightwise: (starting X won't work over ssh)06:06
knightwisei'm local06:06
HazRPGknightwise: try "sudo startx"06:06
shaunoyeah, that's what I meant .. X doesn't like being started remotely06:06
knightwisei'll do a complete reboot06:07
shaunonot "this is a local X server, for local people"06:07
HazRPGshauno: xD06:07
knightwise"This X server don't boot if you're not from the neighbourhood ?"06:07
shaunoit just looks at you funny and overcharges you06:08
MartijnVdSshauno: and speaks with a funny accent06:08
knightwisefailed to load the nvidea kernell module06:08
HazRPGknightwise: that after using sudo startx?06:08
knightwiseafter sudo startx06:08
HazRPGthat might be where your issue is then06:09
HazRPGdid you update before you turned off last?06:09
knightwisei think i did06:09
shaunoHazRPG: I dunno, the navy had been my goal for as long as I can remember.  royal navy turned me down for stupid reasons (apparently I'm not as funny as I thought), and the US navy got completely lost when examinations board said no to them.  they're used to just asking for transcripts & getting them.  the EU has these odd privacy laws which confused them06:09
MartijnVdSAnother reason why I never buy nviida06:09
knightwiseCould i try using an older kernell from the grub list ?06:09
HazRPGknightwise: right removing the nvidia drivers for now, and see if it'll boot into the gui06:09
HazRPGknightwise: you could try that too :)06:10
MartijnVdSor reinstall the module, that should trigger a recompile?06:10
knightwiseerm .. and how do i do that . sudo apt-get remove ... ?06:10
knightwisei could try that too06:10
knightwisebut i don't really know how to do that (never did that before)06:10
HazRPGshauno: what was it you wanted to do in the navy?06:11
knightwisesudo apt-get remove nvidia- ... and then there are quite a lot of files to choose from06:11
knightwisenvidia-common ?06:11
knightwisenvidia-current ?06:11
MartijnVdSknightwise: try using jockey-text06:12
MartijnVdSknightwise: instead of apt-get remove06:12
shaunoHazRPG: comms, vaguely.  mostly, it was just expectation because that's where the rest of the family was06:13
knightwiseMartijnVdS: so i just type in jockey-text ?06:13
HazRPGshauno: ah, fair enough I guess06:13
MartijnVdSknightwise: jockey-text --list06:14
MartijnVdSknightwise: it should show you a list06:14
shaunoHazRPG: when my parents met, they were both in the navy.  3 of 4 uncles, one aunt, 1 grandparent, etc06:14
HazRPGsome traditions do have to break at some point06:14
shaunoyes.  apparently my sense of humour is the breaking point :)06:15
HazRPGshauno: what was it you said to them exactly :P?06:15
knightwiseit comes back with something about nvidia current06:16
knightwiseso now i do sudo jockey-text Nvidia-current ?06:16
knightwiseor remove and reinstall ?06:16
HazRPGknightwise: if I recall, you need to get rid of all nvidia stuff so I'd use :: sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-*06:16
MartijnVdSknightwise: then disable the nvidia driver using jockey-text --disable=drivername (from the list)06:16
shaunoI interviewed for artificer in the RN, and the interviewer took offence when I explained my understanding of the position was jobs that were too clever for grease monkeys, but officers couldn't do because they might break a nail06:16
shaunoI really wasn't expecting them to be that easy to offend.  but then I didn't grow up around sailors that were desk-bound.  oh well.06:17
HazRPGshauno: haha, see I'd give you the job on that basis!06:17
shaunothey told me I was immature, and that I should either go for OM, or come back in a year or two when I'd seen a bit of the world.  so I emmigrated.06:18
knightwiseMartijnVdS: i think i did that , do i need to do HazRPG suggestion next ?06:18
HazRPGshauno: yeah, desk-bound people in both navy/army seem to be a little bit protective over their status06:18
shaunoHazRPG: to be honest, I'm surprised I'm still in ireland.  "and then I left the country" seems to be standard punctuation in my life.06:19
shaunoanyhow, gonna go catch that movie 'n stop cluttering up attempts to fix knightwise's gui :)06:19
HazRPGknow the feeling06:19
knightwiselol shauno :) its ok06:20
knightwisetyped in HazRPG and am ready to hit enter06:20
HazRPGshauno: enjoy! No doubt you'll still be around during the movie anyways :P06:20
HazRPGknightwise: go for it :)06:20
MartijnVdSknightwise: no, after jockey disables the driver, reboot06:20
knightwisei'll go for MartijnVdS first then06:20
HazRPGah, see I haven't used jockey...06:20
HazRPGknightwise: yeah sure, go for it06:21
MartijnVdSHazRPG: jockey is the "install non-free crap drivers" tool :)06:21
knightwisejockey says : unknown driver nvidia_current06:22
knightwiseso i do jockey-list06:23
slackthumbzapt-cache search nvidia current06:23
slackthumbzor if you really need a gui then use synaptic06:24
knightwiseMartijnVdS: but isnt jockey a gui tool ?06:24
knightwisewhen i type jockey-text --list i get an error code : GTKwardning could not open display06:25
knightwisexorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver .... enabled in use )06:26
slackthumbzlsmod | grep nv06:27
knightwisewait , i did jockey-list --disable xorg:nividia_current06:27
knightwisethat seems to do something06:27
knightwisebut i cant get a command prompt anymore .. (grr :()06:28
slackthumbzalthough you'll probably need a reboot if you're chopping and changing graphics driver modules06:28
shaunogoing to sound a little daft, but what's jockey?06:28
* slackthumbz shrugs06:28
slackthumbzI've heard the name but never used it06:28
slackthumbzI just use the standard oldschool tools for managing modules06:28
knightwisejockey is the "install non-free crap drivers" tool :)06:29
knightwise(says MartijnVdS )06:29
knightwiseah wait06:29
knightwisei did the jockey thing and am rebooting the system06:29
knightwisei'm getting a bootsplash screen (thats something)06:30
knightwiseaaaaand ...06:30
knightwiseit looks like its working again06:30
shaunoand boy is it odd being back on a dvorak keyboard :/06:30
knightwiseallmost that is06:30
knightwiseYep è06:30
knightwisewe have a gui !06:30
* slackthumbz cheers06:30
knightwiseso i suppose i don't enable the restricted drivers when it comes asking about it ?06:31
slackthumbzyou won't get any decent 3d06:32
slackthumbzor compositing06:32
knightwisei'm only using boxee on it06:32
knightwisenope , not using any of that06:32
knightwiseits just a fileserver with an ssh frontend06:32
knightwisesorry , boxee frontend06:33
slackthumbzah, fairy nuff.06:33
slackthumbzdoesn't need anything fancy then06:33
shaunoI used to need nvidia drivers for that, but I think that's because I was using tv-out06:33
knightwiseah , ok06:35
knightwisei think i'll be fine then06:35
knightwisethat will teach me to sudo apt-get update06:35
slackthumbz...apt-get update just updates your repository data06:36
slackthumbzit doesn't modify any applications on the machine06:36
knightwisethanx everyone06:37
knightwise"upgrade" then06:37
slackthumbzupgrade only does the same thing as the update manager06:37
HazRPGsorry, seems like a missed a bit there06:37
HazRPGbut yeah, grats on getting it working :)06:38
HazRPGshauno: you use dvorak :)?06:38
shaunoon the laptop, but not on my normal keyboard.  haven't used the laptop's keyboard for a while, so it's a bit of a mindgame06:38
shaunoreally dig the dvorak-cmd-qwerty layout, but can't seem to do it on any other OS :(06:45
shaunoodd to explain; it's querty when the cmd key is held06:48
MartijnVdSsounds like a "Second level"06:49
shaunoso cmd-Q for quit, etc, haven't moved06:49
MartijnVdScheck the keyboard preferences06:49
shaunooh I have that set intentionally.  so copy/paste/etc are still on the same keys06:50
shaunobut instead of being cmd-C, cmd-V, they're now J & K06:50
shaunobut the same physical button06:50
shauno(it makes sense in my head, honestly)06:51
HazRPGshauno: nah it makes sense generally - being in the same physical location n all is what we're use to, its how we type06:51
HazRPGI always get confused when I switch to arabic keyset, because I have no idea where the keys are!06:52
MartijnVdSHazRPG: they're the other way around..06:52
MartijnVdSright-to-left 8-)06:52
HazRPGI only have it when I'm looking for films or songs in arabic, and usually 9 times out of 10... I've typed the wrong things because I suck at writing in arabic06:52
HazRPGMartijnVdS: also more letters ;)06:52
HazRPGMartijnVdS: and its technically AZERTY not QWERTY06:53
shaunoheh, you can thank the french for that06:53
* knightwise has a frech keyboard too on his mac06:54
shaunothat's evil.  I'd rather dvorak.  atleast it doesn't fool you into thinking it's similar06:55
HazRPGsee that's the odd thing about arabic keyset, its technically AZERTY... however I don't think its possible to actually type any english letters06:57
HazRPGonly arabic characters06:57
HazRPGI think its more to do with those letters being in a similar arrangement06:59
HazRPGalso, most letters I think are actually arranged in pretty much alphabetical order :P06:59
shaunobeen watching the Ark Royal docu on discovery.  A little ironic that they had Cameron visiting in the latest episode, talking to them about what an important job they do.07:38
shaunoBetween it being recorded, and airing, he put the thing on ebay.  blah.07:38
Myrttiboo lemsip is too hot to drink07:40
AlanBellmorning all07:42
HazRPGMyrtti: do my trick... pour half a cup of hot water... mix... add cold water and ice after its mixed :)07:47
MyrttiI ended up reading Cooking for Geeks while waiting it to cool off.07:50
Myrttiwhich was fun too.07:50
HazRPGsounds like a book I should get07:50
Myrttiaw, ebook wouldve been -50% and proceeds gone to Japan red cross yesterday07:52
czajkowskiMyrtti: cooking for geeks you say?07:56
czajkowskiwhere can one buy it ?07:56
Myrttioreilly stuff07:58
HazRPGshauno: how is it that you link dropbox images?08:10
HazRPGI can't seem to be able to do it for some reason :S08:10
HazRPGnevermind, figured it out :)08:11
shaunoput them in the public folder, right-click to get the link :)08:14
HazRPGargh, you've got me being obsessed with words again now xD08:17
shaunowasn't me08:17
HazRPGdid you know admiral, elixir and many others originated from arabic?08:17
HazRPGinc. algebra08:17
HazRPGadmiral comes from "amir al-baHr" translation: "Ruler of the Sea"08:18
HazRPGeven the word alcohol apparently!08:18
HazRPGfrom the word al-kuHul08:18
shaunonow there's irony08:18
HazRPGI always thought the arabic for alcohol was taken from english xD08:19
MyrttiIm reading about iodine. interesting stuff.08:19
HazRPGMyrtti: science, it works :D08:20
Myrttivery sleepy, ttfn08:20
MartijnVdSHazRPG: algorithm, algebra, alcohol, albatross, adobe08:22
HazRPGsee I knew adobe... because I've heard that in arabic news before08:23
MartijnVdSHazRPG: azimuth, coffee, elixir :)08:23
HazRPGalso "thob, tobe, etc" all very similar sound words08:23
HazRPGMartijnVdS: was reading that last night ;)08:23
knightwiseman i love twidge :)08:24
knightwisegreat twitter client if you want to cron and schedule stuff08:24
MartijnVdSam I weird for just using the web site and android app for twitter?08:26
MartijnVdSand facebook?08:26
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I use those...08:26
shaunohaha, apparently forgot to setup herself's laptop.  held down pause on the remote to reset the tv, and her laptop went to sleep.   ooops ..08:26
MartijnVdSHazRPG: so do I.. I can't stand gwibber's crashing08:26
knightwiseMartijnVdS: :) donno , i never use the website , mostly tweet via tweetdeck on phone and pc,08:26
knightwiseand use twidge on linux08:26
knightwiseand gwibber08:26
MartijnVdSshauno: remote-controlled laptop?08:27
HazRPGMartijnVdS: mine has a remote too08:27
MartijnVdSMine has a fingerprint reader08:27
MartijnVdSMy PC has a remote (by way of the DVB card), but it's not connected08:28
HazRPGwas apparently designed for media presentation... however can be configured for all sorts :)08:28
MartijnVdSoh I have a wireless presenter remote08:28
MartijnVdSbut that only works if you put in the USB dongle08:28
HazRPGah, see this is using IR08:28
screen-xmorning :)08:30
MartijnVdS\o screen-x08:30
screen-xmorning MartijnVdS :)08:30
knightwiseIR  ?08:31
knightwisethats oldschool !08:31
screen-xanyone know of a command that will follow a path of symlinks, printing each one, until a real file is encountered?08:31
screen-xor is it time to fire up the bashmobile?08:31
MartijnVdSscreen-x: bashmobile08:32
screen-xok :)08:32
HazRPGknightwise: and yet, is still found in all TVs :P08:32
MartijnVdSscreen-x: wait..08:33
MartijnVdSscreen-x: readlink might do what you want08:33
screen-x\o/ readlink -f08:34
screen-xthanks MartijnVdS08:34
screen-xmorning daubers :)08:38
screen-xany applicants to your post?08:39
daubersscreen-x: A couple, none that jump out at me though08:39
screen-xI applied for one from linuxjobs yesterday, entered my employment history, but it refused to save it, so entered it again. Then I realised that it had saved it, but it was black text on a black background :(08:40
daubersscreen-x: Hah! Fail08:40
screen-x^a reveals all08:40
daubersI need to ring up a client and rearrange a meeting that was supposed to be today for tomorrow as I have to fire fight an issue in Aus while they're asleep08:41
daubersLooks like an SSD with an OS has cooked itself over there :(08:41
screen-xoh dear, the spinning rust free future was looking so bright08:42
daubersNever mind, we've sourced a replacement from an Aus supplier, just need to make them an image they can burn on to it now08:43
daubersThen drive that image up to the DC, so they can download it tomorrow08:44
daubersor tonight08:44
daubersstupid time zones08:44
screen-xdaubers: nead moar upload bandwidth?08:47
daubersscreen-x: Yeah, quicker for me to run an 8GB file up there than push it through the offices upstream08:48
daubers1.5hours compared to roughly 6/7 hours :)08:48
screen-x"never underestimate the bandwidth of a truckload of tapes"08:49
screen-xcant remember where that quote is from..08:49
screen-xNever underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). Computer Networks. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. pp. 83.08:49
screen-xthats better :)08:49
DJonesMorning all08:50
screen-xmorning DJones08:50
MooDoomorning all08:50
screen-xmorning MooDoo, back from nights?08:51
MooDooscreen-x: no just had issues at home....everything ok now08:51
MooDooscreen-x: thanks for asking :D08:51
MooDooscreen-x: nosey bugger ;)08:51
slackthumbzah, got gnome-shell compiled and running08:58
HazRPGwow, how is it possible that I own the dvds for "The Net" & "The Net 2.0" boxset, but don't remember any part of this film08:59
shaunothe first was entirely forgettable.08:59
MooDooHazRPG: the net 2?09:00
HazRPGshauno: guessing you didn't like them?09:00
MooDooHazRPG: as in sanndra bullock?09:00
HazRPGMooDoo: yeah, but I don't think The Net 2.0 has her in it09:00
MooDooHazRPG: didn't even know there was a net 2....09:00
HazRPGuh huh09:00
shaunonever heard of the second, but the first .. well, watch it :)  I'll warn that it's difficult to get 90 minutes of your life refunded09:01
HazRPGNikki Deloach is in the 2nd one09:01
MooDooHazRPG: yeah just looking now09:01
slackthumbznow how the #*$% do I theme it up...09:01
HazRPGshauno: heh, I must have watched them... because I own the dvd's...09:02
smittixMooDoo: You from Calvo?09:04
MooDoosmittix: yeah09:06
smittixCool, Cinderhill here09:06
MooDoosmittix: sweet....not that far then09:06
smittixNo, Do you go to any LUG's in notts?09:07
MooDoosmittix: sometimes, although i've not been for awhile, nice group though09:08
smittixMooDoo: Never been to any myself.09:09
MooDoosmittix: we'll have to do an ubuntu hour in town?09:09
smittixMooDoo: Sure, Trying to get in touch with local users. Heh your the first I have met.09:10
smittixThey never have forums do they09:13
MooDoosmittix: people don't like forums, which is a shame09:13
MooDoosmittix: mailing list archives are here - http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/09:14
smittixMooDoo: I like forums heh.09:14
mungojerrywe need a new topic -09:27
mungojerryodd shaped balls is old now :P09:27
* MooDoo says nothing09:28
bigcalmMorning peeps :)\09:28
bigcalm(still getting used to this US keyboard)09:29
kazadehi everybody!09:29
mungojerrywifey has lost her keys..i'm worried they got left in the door and some chav has nicked them :( car is still there atm09:29
MooDoomungojerry: ouch09:31
mungojerrybah swype has been really lame since i installed the new version09:34
MooDooczajkowski: morning09:35
smittixSo.. Is everyone looking forward to Unity?09:35
czajkowskiMooDoo: back talking to us09:36
MooDooczajkowski: now things are sorted at home yes...09:36
MooDooczajkowski: and let the abuse commence...09:38
HazRPGsmittix: not really lol09:39
mungojerrysmittix: reporting bugs and playing with it, but won't switch until it offers at least a good a computing experience as what i currently get09:41
mungojerrythat may not be until 12.04 LTS09:41
czajkowskiMooDoo: that was so last week09:42
MooDooczajkowski: phew09:42
MooDooczajkowski: did you enjoy doing the podcase?09:49
czajkowskiyeah it was nice, bit scarey/nervous but it was good fun09:49
czajkowskiI've had lots of pms going so that's what you sound like09:50
czajkowskiwhich is odd :)09:50
MooDooczajkowski: yeah i'm sure we could hear your giggles through it09:50
czajkowskiyeah sorry!09:50
JamesTaitAnother bright and sunny morning, good day everyone!09:51
mungojerrythe giggles were the best bit!09:52
mungojerry(plus all the others bits, in case anyone takes offence)09:53
MooDooi quite like the idea of a guest host, but it would be a logistical nightmare09:54
popeyhow so?09:55
popeyseemed to work when we got andy piper in, and mark, and laura09:55
MooDoopopey: i'm just thinking about people that aren't in your area.  wasn't thinking skype etc...sorry lol09:55
mungojerrybtw who decides on the name of the pocast "mysterious girl" etc and what's the logic behind it?09:55
shaunoI imagine the big challenge being getting the right drinks in for the right people :)09:55
popeywe have a phone setup so people can call in09:56
popeywe dont use skype :)09:56
HazRPGmungojerry: I must agree with you on that (about unity)09:56
popeyone guest (mpt) even got on the train from london to my house to be on the show09:56
popeymungojerry: tony does09:56
popeyseason one was elvis titles09:57
popeyseason two was doctor who episodes iirc09:57
MooDooi guess people will travel then09:57
* MooDoo proposes Ubuntu UK Live :p09:57
popeyi drive ~70 miles to the podcast09:57
mungojerrypopey: ah i was wondering about that09:57
popeyseason three was silent films09:57
mungojerrythinks popey has an understanding wife09:57
popeywell yeah, i wouldn't have married her otherwise09:58
popeyits only a few hours one evening every two weeks09:58
mungojerrythe LAS guys seem to do podcast everynight, and they have like 3 kids each09:58
mungojerrythe mind boggles09:58
kazademungojerry, I think they get paid for that though... not sure09:59
mungojerrykazade: not really, only to cover costs i think09:59
popeythey have sponsors09:59
popeywe dont09:59
MooDoopopey: do you accept donations?10:00
popeywe have no mechanism to get donation10:00
popeywe dont ask for them10:00
kazadepopey, you should set up a flattr button ;)10:01
kazadefor beers ;)10:01
MooDooi know you don't ask, i'm sure you'd like some kit to make the show better??10:01
kazade(I nearly typed "bears" which would have been odd)10:01
popeyMooDoo: good question, dunno really10:01
popeynot sure what extra kit we nee10:01
popeywell, what I'd like to do is build a proper studio10:02
MooDoowell when you have a list, post it :)  i'm sure people would love to help out :D10:02
popeytony owns most of the kit10:02
popeywe each bring our own mics, stands and leads10:02
popeythe server is provided by bitfolk10:03
popeyso i guess thats sponsorship :)10:03
screen-x\o/ for bitfolk10:03
shaunoor advertising ;)  I picked bitfolk when I needed a UK-based host because they got a good word on the show, and I didn't recognise any other names10:04
shauno(before linode started doing UK hosts)10:05
MooDooshauno: and memset10:05
mungojerryone more qu... where does the music come from?10:06
mungojerrydid someone record it specially? or is it a free distribution piece grabbed from the net10:06
czajkowskithere should be a FAQ on the site and the music should be the first question :)10:07
* mungojerry looks10:07
popeyit is10:07
popeywell, was :)10:07
popeyIt's called Crazy Words, Crazy Tune10:07
popeyit dates from ~192710:07
mungojerrythe pic of mark johnson looks a lot like popey's twin http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/presenter-biographies/10:08
MooDooand just remember for the next podcast it's 2011 not 2010 :p10:09
shaunoyou haven't seen popey's delorean then ?10:10
MooDooshauno: he never mentioned 1.21 jigawatts once10:10
HazRPGI still can't believe I forgot I watched this film before10:17
HazRPGsomewhat ironic10:17
HazRPGconsidering it's a film about a girl who gets her identity stolen, and its as if she doesn't remember anything10:18
bigcalmWhat film?10:18
HazRPGThe Net10:18
bigcalmI don't recall having seen that one10:19
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HazRPGSandra Bullock10:19
bigcalmThe news reader?10:19
bigcalmNo, I'm confusing a lot of things there10:20
bigcalmIgnore me :)10:20
MooDoobigcalm: no the american actress, it's about a computer programmer whos framed10:20
bigcalmAn old employer of mine was Moria Bullock which made me think of Moria Stewart10:20
HazRPGpersonally I'd say she was a hacker (but in the true form of the word) in that film... but hey10:20
shaunoso the missus comes downstairs complaining her phone makes a "strange" noise when she locks it.  like the lock sound just echos out.  so I turn it off and back on again.  now I'm the genius, apparently10:22
mungojerryHazRPG: do the passwords appear in plaintext in that film?10:22
HazRPGshauno: IT professionals have been making money off that very similar technique for years ;)10:23
HazRPGmungojerry: some do...10:23
mungojerryin hollywood films, passwords are displayed plain text, you can dodge bullets and dive out of the way of bombs, women throw themselves at men, and nobody locks their car doors10:25
popeyJack Bauer uses KDE10:25
mungojerrynever seen 2410:25
mungojerryi wonder what OS they use in bones and CSI though10:26
popeyI've never seen Lost10:26
mungojerryafter watching heroes for 2 series i got wise to the idea of those programmes10:26
mungojerrywonder what they use on spooks too10:27
MooDoomungojerry: macos10:27
mungojerryMooDoo: they use mac hardware for sure. the product placement in that programme is ridiculous10:28
popeymacs look nice on telly )10:29
popeyPCs look like.. PCs10:30
kaushalcan someone please guide me about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/584214/ ?10:30
popeylooks like your proxy server it screwing things up10:31
kaushaloh ok10:31
popeyor the box is broken :)10:31
popey(the mirror that is)10:32
popeyvisiting http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ in my browser here from London doesnt look good10:32
popeyvery slow10:32
popeyseems to have recovered now, try again kaushal ?10:33
kaushalpopey: sure10:33
satreyahow to add/modify timezone in launchpad? I am not able to figure out how.10:37
dogmatic69i thought ff4 was up for 10.10?10:40
dogmatic69just ran updates and nothing :/10:40
MooDoodogmatic69: ppa?10:41
MooDoodogmatic69: ignore that10:41
HazRPGdogmatic69: usually the case unless you have a ppa for it10:41
HazRPGff4 will be in 11.04 thought10:41
HazRPGand 10.10 will probably get it in a few months or so... maybe...10:42
HazRPG10.10 will defo still get updates for 3.x though10:42
popeydogmatic69: http://popey.me/gURQNN10:42
popeydetails how to install ff4 on ubuntu 10.04 and 10.1010:42
BigRedSHazRPG: it shouldn't10:42
BigRedSnot automatically.10:42
popeyno, 10.10 will _not_ get ff410:43
dogmatic69ah ok10:43
HazRPGwhich is why I said maybe lol, wasn't sure what the exact rule... was just the trend I've noticed over years10:44
BigRedSunless you add it yourself. But standard-repo-supplied versions of software never go through major version changes in the same erlease10:44
BigRedS'cause that would irritate many people when it breaks their things10:44
dogmatic69saw this last night, just found it again https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/5024431611905228810:44
* popey notes thats the same link as I just posted above :)10:45
* dogmatic69 saw :)10:45
HazRPGhmm, now that's a new one on me10:46
HazRPG"Unable to find expected entry   contrib/source/Sources ..."10:46
DJonesI thought that was a working factoid10:47
HazRPGfor VirtualBox ppa10:47
HazRPGapparently not10:47
HazRPGhmm, I can't seem to remember how to get rid of old kernels10:48
MartijnVdSHazRPG: system-janitor?10:49
HazRPGMartijnVdS: not showing up on there10:49
HazRPGMartijnVdS: was the first place I looked when I couldn't think of the command for it10:49
MartijnVdSreboot using the new kernel first10:49
popeycruft removal tool10:49
popey!info system-cleaner10:50
lubotu3Package system-cleaner does not exist in maverick10:50
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I am... grub always loads the latest by default10:50
shaunoI think the bot's just being awkward this morning10:50
MartijnVdSHazRPG: but do you reboot often? :)10:50
X3N!info cruft10:50
lubotu3cruft (source: cruft): Find any cruft built up on your system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.12 (maverick), package size 100 kB, installed size 1312 kB10:50
X3Npopey: ^ ?10:51
HazRPGMartijnVdS: whenever new updates come in play yeah :P10:51
shaunohttp://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=ff4   claims they're all in there, oddly10:51
JagerMonkeyI just saw a doco called "Never Let me Go"10:52
JagerMonkeyyou brits disgust me10:52
JagerMonkeyI can't believe you grow people for organ donation10:53
HazRPGis it bad that I smell some sort of solvent smell in my office right now?10:53
HazRPGsmells like a sharpie...10:53
HazRPGyet I can't see any open, and is quite strong...10:53
MartijnVdSHazRPG: someone painting nearby?10:53
MartijnVdSdon't light a fire..10:54
HazRPGactually... smells more like brown tape...10:54
HazRPGnope... found the source... >_<10:54
HazRPGapparently sis left a pot noodle next to her computer >_<10:55
HazRPGand she complains about my smoking :/10:56
* popey complains about HazRPG's smoking10:57
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DJonesshauno: !ff4 is in the main database for ubottu, I guess its not synced to the lubotu*'s yet10:58
czajkowskino more odd shaped ball meet ups10:59
kazadeanyone know the shortcut in FF4 to the new panorama thing?10:59
* MooDoo hides when czajkowski said that10:59
MooDoohello davmor210:59
mungojerryo/             - - -O          \o11:00
czajkowskinormality has been restored, MooDoo and davmor211:00
davmor2MooDoo: morning dude,  czajkowski missed you yesterday I think she needs some love11:00
mungojerryi can't believe i need to resort to building a driver disk to install redhat 6 :(11:00
kazadeah, ok CTRL+SHIFT+E11:00
screen-xmungojerry: floppy?11:01
davmor2czajkowski: prod11:01
MooDooczajkowski: prod11:01
mungojerryscreen-x: usb disk i hope11:01
mungojerrybut still...11:01
MooDooczajkowski: and a kiss on the cheek11:01
screen-xmungojerry: that really would have been oldschool11:01
czajkowskiMooDoo: eh no11:01
mungojerrythere is no floppy drive on the machine11:01
screen-xmungojerry: or do it with ipmi virtual media11:01
MooDooczajkowski: ok prod prod prod prod11:01
mungojerryit's a network card driver i need to install :P11:01
davmor2MooDoo: in death wish X11:02
screen-xmungojerry: ipmi virtual media presents a block device to the OS, so you can use it to install a network driver.11:02
MooDoodavmor2: i'm miles away, i told you she doesn't scare me11:03
screen-xmungojerry: I use it to install ifenslave/vconfig as they aren't included in the base install.11:03
mungojerryscreen-x: sounds like a lot of work to prove a RHEL bug :P11:03
davmor2MooDoo: Her scares me keeps coming through Wolverhampton at the dead of night11:03
screen-xmungojerry: or less work, as it doesn't involve leaving my desk :p11:03
MooDoodavmor2: well put up a road block, no czajkowski's allowed11:04
shaunosounds like summat you'd see in The Sun :/11:04
davmor2MooDoo: she comes on the train it would just rail through an block11:05
MooDoodavmor2: pah that pesky cz>tab>11:05
davmor2MooDoo: haha don't think czajkowski won't of seen that cause you changed a character11:06
davmor2told you so11:06
MooDoodavmor2: bugger....11:06
MooDoodavmor2: think i'm going to have to become a prodding ninja....silent but deadly11:07
czajkowskiMooDoo: you owe me a pint11:07
MooDooczajkowski: yes i do owe you one...and thanks for reminding m11:08
* MooDoo makes a mental note to keep his mouth shut when bating czajkowski with regards to rugby :(11:09
czajkowski7/8 times we've won :D11:10
czajkowskijust sayin'11:10
* MooDoo bows head in shame....11:10
czajkowskinot sure theopensourcer has forgiven me yet11:10
MooDooyou only won because mike tindal wasn't playing....cough cough cough11:11
MooDoolet the excuses begin11:11
czajkowskiMooDoo: I really wouldn't go there if I were you :)11:11
MooDooczajkowski: yeah good point11:11
MooDooCongratulations to Ireland on thrashing England.... czajkowski was right and i was wrong.....11:12
czajkowskiif we only had a quote page11:12
czajkowskithat would be there !11:12
davmor2czajkowski: Good a time as any to start one me thinks :D11:13
MooDoodavmor2: shush11:13
shaunodoes the countdown javascript thingie move between each release?11:14
screen-xQuotes http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/6TdnlUBGw511:15
shaunokeep finding sites that have out-dated countdowns.  I'd have thought if the url they're sourced from doesn't change, they'd be counting down to natty instead11:16
screen-xthough the editability may be a slight floor.11:16
popeyshauno: usually it is actually the same11:17
shaunohm.  just found a site that's sourcing http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/display.js   which is still excited about 10.0411:18
popeyfile a bug?11:18
popeyagainst ubuntu-website, saying they should all link to the most recent?11:19
LaneyWHAT! A! NICE DAY!11:20
MooDoodavmor2: czajkowski here you go! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Random_Quotes11:21
dogmatic69having an issue booting a box on ec2, anyone have some ideas? here is the sys log http://bin.cakephp.org/view/110948917611:21
HazRPGMartijnVdS: you know you said I should check computer-janitor... is it bad that when I type in "computer-janitor find" that the first thing it says is ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.58:/: ... etc11:22
czajkowskiMooDoo: :D11:23
MooDooczajkowski: we can use that now11:23
MooDooour own bash.org :)11:24
davmor2MooDoo: that's just comedy gold11:24
MooDoodavmor2: hopefully i'll not be the only one on it lol11:24
czajkowskiI'm sure davmor2 will end up on there at some point11:26
davmor2No never, czajkowski on the other hand will be on there daily with threats of abuse or worse still niceties :D11:28
MooDoodavmor2: czajkowski nice?  lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha :)11:28
czajkowskioi I am nice!11:29
czajkowskiwell more or less most of the time , but mostly I am nice and I bring cake!11:29
MooDooczajkowski: we know you are :)11:30
czajkowskiI should be a saint for putting up with yer malarky!11:31
MooDooczajkowski: all praise czajkowski11:32
* gord ears perk up at the mention of cake11:32
czajkowskigord: daubers do ye have cake on highlight11:35
czajkowskicant be a wise move in this channel of all places!11:35
gord... why would you mention cake if there is no cake... how cruel11:35
daubersczajkowski: I can hear cake fro over 10 miles away!11:35
daubersWill need to make cake for Oggcamp11:36
screen-xoggcamp :)11:37
daubersroughed out a design for video uploading magicness last night \o/11:37
czajkowskihmm now I want cake11:38
screen-xdaubers: cool :)11:38
czajkowskithis was not smart to talk about cake11:38
daubersMay need to acquire some cameras though11:38
screen-xhave any oggcamp details escaped?11:38
davmor2gord: I said czajkowski is evil but no-one would listen ;)11:38
MooDoodavmor2: not evil....just eviiiiiiiiiil :)11:39
davmor2MooDoo: with a little finger in the corner of her mouth11:39
MooDoodavmor2: just what i was thinking11:40
shaunoah.  seems there isn't a release countdown for natty yet.  still, not sure the js should point to 10.04 :)  (yes, I did the bug thing)11:40
daubersscreen-x: Might have done if popeys windows where transparent http://twitpic.com/4bydzq11:41
popeydeliberate, that11:42
mungojerryshauno: are we counting down to beta 1 or the release though :P11:42
daubersHeh, I wondered when i saw it11:42
shaunomungojerry: no idea, I do LTS :)11:42
mungojerrylaughs at popey and humphreybc's twitter convo11:43
screen-xdaubers: hadn't seen that ;-)11:43
* bigcalm is easily pleased11:43
HazRPGmicroding dinged :D11:44
bigcalmNice when somebody with lots of followers but follows few people themself then starts following you11:44
mungojerrycan't parse that sentence,...too many follows11:44
* shauno follows bigcalm's followers11:44
bigcalmshauno: lot of spam bots in that list, have fun :)11:45
mungojerrynotes that his twitter account is not twitter.com/mungojerry11:45
shaunoI'm fairly neurotic about pruning those11:45
bigcalmI let them follow, it's not showing up in my feed11:46
shaunoI like to keep a tidy house.  and besides, the 'report spam' button blocks them too, so you can do everyone else a favour with no extra steps :)11:46
bigcalmUnless they have spammed me, who am I to say that they are a spammer?11:47
HazRPGhuzzah! I fixed a dishwasher that's been broked for about a year now :D11:48
* bigcalm cracks up with http://www.explosm.net/comics/2362/11:48
davmor2mungojerry: I keep seeing your nick and hear Summertime11:48
bigcalmSFW for a change :)11:48
mungojerrydavmor2: even in winter?11:49
MartijnVdSbigcalm: rofl :)11:49
mungojerryshould change my nick at some point11:49
HazRPGdavmor2: heh, that's what I said to him the first time I saw it too :P11:49
mungojerrythe artist formerly known as mungojerry11:49
davmor2mungojerry: it won't fit as a nick :(11:49
mungojerrymungo jerry was the name i used to use for filling in forms that i didn't want to give my name on11:50
shaunotafkamj .. catchy11:51
mungojerrywould need to change nick before turning up to an irl event11:51
mungojerrywould feel like a goon saying, you might know me as mungo jerry11:51
MooDoomungojerry: irl event?   shudder :)11:51
shaunoor just don't tell anyone who you 'really' are and confuse the life out of them :)11:51
HazRPGmungojerry: heh, I use to use a name generator to do the same effect for such forms11:52
mungojerrybgates, bobmarley, themajesticstevejobs, monkeyballmer...11:52
HazRPGsomeone actually went to the trouble of subscribing "Mr F The Bear" to readers digest to my dad's house once11:53
HazRPGamused us no end :P11:53
davmor2mine came from Suse Linux 6.3 it said for a recommended nick use 3 letters from your first name 3 letters from your surname and a number11:53
mungojerryi had a housemate who used the name Paul Ants to subscribe to spurious material11:53
HazRPGwas even more amusing when they tried to bill us for it too11:54
MooDoowe used to use 6 of the surname and 1 of the christian, b oldknow11:54
shaunopicked mine because soneil confused soneill, and vice versa :/11:54
HazRPGdavmor2: most schools do that scheme too, so my mate is called "coophi"11:55
mungojerrydoes freenode allow multiple nicks to one account?11:55
shaunoalmost got away with it, until we ended up in the same conversation11:55
HazRPGmungojerry: it does :)11:56
shaunoservices supports it.  I don't know if it's frowned upon at all11:56
dogmatic69did anyone have some ideas? lost internet and logs are old11:58
MooDoodogmatic69: ideas?11:59
dogmatic69> having an issue booting a box on ec2, anyone have some ideas? here is the sys log http://bin.cakephp.org/view/110948917611:59
MooDooah sorr12:00
dogmatic69i need to press 's' :/12:00
=== mungojerry is now known as oimon
shaunoI'd be tempted to try #ubuntu-server.  you might need to wait until a time that's a bit more EDT-friendly, but there's a good handful in there that seem to spend an unhealthy amount of time with amazon hosts12:02
screen-xdogmatic69: could you shut it down, edit the fstab, then boot it up again without that filesystem?12:02
dogmatic69screen-x: i would if i knew how12:02
dogmatic69dont know how i can edit the files without ssh'ing into it12:03
screen-xdogmatic69: I don't know either, can you mount the root fs on another box?12:03
screen-xor boot into some sort of recovery environment12:03
dogmatic69nope, its not ebs12:03
oimonirc is confusing sometimes...pidgin settings more so12:06
moreatioimon: no argument there12:07
oimonooo its the budget today12:16
MooDoooh great12:16
MooDoogood job i don't smoke or drink much isn't it :)12:19
MooDoothey are bound to go up12:19
oimonyeah, and single-income families will get rodgered as usual12:20
MooDoowe'll see in 5 mins eh!12:25
oimoni like that canonical are looking at and responding to top brainstorm entries - seems like a wealth of market research in there that is waiting to be tapped in order to make the product better12:27
davmor2oimon: you think that's confusing you should try empathy for irc muhahahahahahaha12:27
popeyhaha I read "single-income" as "single-malt" :)12:28
oimonpopey: not sure whether to lol or cry at that12:28
popeyoh you're mungo12:29
MooDoolets see what's new in ubuntu uk minecraft map land12:30
* oimon is the artist formerly know as mungojerry12:30
oimondecided i should change to my real nick12:31
screen-x\o oimon12:34
MooDoooi oimon :)12:34
oimonyou'll probably see a lot less of me when they finish refurbing my offices. i tend to type in irc while there's drilling on and it's impossible to work :P12:36
HazRPGso from mungojerry you went with oimon :P12:39
oimonHazRPG: yep12:39
HazRPGcos that's not confusing12:40
oimonit's consistent with my username on ubuntuforums :P12:40
HazRPGheh makes sense I guess12:40
oimonwow redhat beta 6.1 out already12:41
davmor2one nick to rule them all and in the darkness bind them12:42
HazRPGis there a way to merge several pdf's together?12:45
HazRPGeasily I mean12:46
oimonHazRPG: pdf-shuffler or pdftk on the command line12:46
dogmatic69what is the difference between doing "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdf" and "yes | mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdf"12:47
HazRPGoimon: ooo perfect, much thanks :D12:48
screen-xdogmatic69: run "yes" to see what it does12:50
screen-xdogmatic69: so the idea of that pipe, is preumably to answer y to all questions.12:51
oimonmkfs doesn't ask questions though does it?12:52
screen-xso theres no point in piping yes into it..12:53
oimonglad we sorted that out :)12:53
HazRPGoimon: ooo, even better it crops them too! That'll come in handy for the one I'm about to work on :D12:54
daubersTHE WHAT?13:06
* daubers waits for files to copy so he can leave again...13:07
popeyEGG NISHNER13:07
popey(best said in Aussie accent)13:07
* daubers leaves13:09
dogmatic69\o/ got the box working13:09
brobostigonafternoonings everyone13:15
brobostigonhi alexander222222213:16
bigcalmAnybody else having trouble with skype today?13:44
* bigcalm hisses at VM13:45
bastubishave trouble with skype every day ;)13:46
bigcalmIt's not good when you (company) pays for their services and relies upon them for business communications13:47
bastubisseems to work ok on Windows but has always sucked on Linux13:47
dogmatic69is it wrong to have pub keys for one server to ssh to another?13:48
dogmatic69like if person hacks one server, they then have access to everything13:49
bigcalmIt all depends upon how much you trust that server13:49
screen-xdogmatic69: you can have a pub key that requires a password13:49
bigcalmscreen-x: which defeats the point of using keys with ssh imo13:49
screen-xbigcalm: not if you use an agent13:49
dogmatic69then you cant automate things13:50
popeyi have a key on a box which needs no password13:50
popeyand lets you ssh as root to numerous boxes :(13:50
dogmatic69popey: im thinking like ssh to replication box from actual box etc13:50
popeyyeah, i use it for rsync backups13:51
AlanBelldo it in the direction that doesn't need root13:51
popeyits not ideal13:51
screen-xdogmatic69: http://unixwiz.net/techtips/ssh-agent-forwarding.html13:51
AlanBellso on the machine being backed up the root account can log on to the backup server as a normal user13:51
popeythe box is not accessible13:51
popeyits an option13:52
popeybut i prefer it this way round13:52
dogmatic69all ssh to 'web boxes' are with pw's from the office, and there is no pw logins. running fail2ban on every server13:52
popeytempted to kensington the server to something substantial13:53
dogmatic69backup box(es) have no external ip's13:53
AlanBellalso, if the boxes that backup dial in then compromising the server doesn't compromise all the other boxes at once13:53
MyrttiI've never had any other problems with Skype other than it's a CPU hog13:54
dogmatic69also on all the ec2 instances 'sudo xyz' does not ever require a pw13:56
Myrtticzajkowski, HazRPG: O'Reilly Ebook deal of the day has been extended, so if you don't mind an ebook for Cooking for Geeks, it's -50% still for a while14:01
Myrttithe what what what14:06
MyrttiAudible has Cliffsnotes version of books?!?!?!?!?!14:06
czajkowskiMyrtti: thank you14:06
MyrttiI thought abridged versions were bad enough14:06
Myrtticzajkowski, HazRPG "Enter code DDJPN in the O'Reilly cart." http://oreilly.com/store/dd-jpn.html14:07
MartijnVdSif you have it you can also get 40% off the print edition14:08
dwatkinsbrobostigon: hooray for 10.10 - my wifi works fine now :D14:11
brobostigondwatkins: :)14:11
Myrttihm, I could buy more Craft: magazines...14:12
dwatkinsI like Make: Magazine14:12
* MooDoo has just bought a peppa pig magazine14:13
ubuntuuk-planet[Jonathan Riddell] usb-creator in suse; accessibility in Qt, it speaks! - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/440114:13
dogmatic69can anyone see what is missing? tried to add a background to the host part and now seeing some uft8 char at the end14:13
brobostigonok, idea, as my gpu lockup bug seems to be caused by xserver-xorg-video-intel, cant i just soecify inside xorg.conf to use vesa, and be done with it. this is in natty?14:13
dogmatic69does -> ubuntu@<hostname>:~$14:14
dogmatic69hmm... does not actually have [\0x01] but a block with dots in it14:14
AlanBellbrobostigon: yes, you can create an xorg.conf and it will use it if it is there14:15
brobostigonAlanBell: i have made a basic xorg.conf, could you give it a check please.14:15
brobostigonAlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584295/14:16
AlanBellok, does it work?14:17
brobostigonAlanBell: no idea, not tried it yet, i justhad the idea.14:17
AlanBellactually 1024x600 isn't a vesa resolution14:17
brobostigonso i need to change that to a lower value?14:18
AlanBellit might work14:18
AlanBelldunno, give it a try, if the bios reports the modes properly it could work14:19
brobostigonAlanBell: what if i dont specify anything at all, will it just default its resolution?14:19
dwatkinsI think it's time to get an HDMI cable for my TV, I want Ubuntu in 1920x1200 :D14:20
dwatkinsoops, 1920x108014:21
AlanBellit will try and do the right thing, and it will record it's attempts in /var/log/Xorg.0.log14:21
brobostigonAlanBell: ok, i will comment that line out, and see what happens, i think.14:23
brobostigonAlanBell: ok, thank you for yourguidance.14:25
MooDoos-fox: hola14:30
s-foxHello MooDoo14:30
MooDoos-fox: how are you this fine day?14:31
screen-xit is a fine day, warm enough to be drinking squash, except I just smashed my glass.14:38
brobostigonzilch.gdm wouldnt even start.14:39
MooDoopah i'm at work so can't drink14:39
screen-xMooDoo: you aren't allowed to drink at work?14:39
MooDooscreen-x: alcohol no, tea, coffee coke yes :)14:40
screen-xyeah, squash isn't generally alcoholic :)14:41
brobostigonAlanBell: it didnt even get to gdm.14:43
AlanBellbrobostigon: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log14:44
brobostigonAlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584303/14:46
gordwhoever invented the slidey platform for your keyboard to go on with some desks is evil. i hate them so much14:46
popeybrobostigon: what if you press CTRL+ALT+F7, do you see the gui there, hiding?14:48
brobostigonpopey: i just cp *.bck ed xorg.conf and rebooted, so cant try that, didnt think of tht though,14:49
popeysorry, you moved your xorg.conf out of the way or copied it?14:50
brobostigoncp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bck && rm xorg.conf14:50
bigcalmmv not working?14:51
popeythen you pastebinned the xorg.conf?14:51
popeypastebinned the xorg.0.log ?14:51
brobostigonpopey: pastebined above to AlanBell, the log.14:51
s-foxhttp://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8175/c4ebdd12c74d4b3b929ecc6.png :D14:51
diploGuys, need kernel devel package on a 10.10 server, any ideas on package name ?14:52
brobostigonpopey: xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/584315/14:52
popeyhow odd, wonder why you get no GUI14:52
popeylog looks okay14:52
popeybrobostigon: what is this OS? is it some kind of funky thing?14:53
popeyor a standard install?14:53
AlanBell[    27.388] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"14:53
brobostigonpopey: it is a stander natty install,14:53
AlanBelldon't think it is using the xorg.conf file you created14:53
AlanBellthe log looks like it is loading the intel driver, not the vesa one you asked for14:54
AlanBellmaybe put the xorg.conf inside the xorg.conf.d directory14:54
brobostigonok, let me try.14:54
AlanBelland look at anything else that might be in there14:55
brobostigonok, one moment.14:55
screen-xdiplo: not sure what you mean, possibly linux-headers-$(uname -r)14:55
diploPackage seems to have been linux-kernel-devel on older versions14:57
popey14:50:59 < brobostigon> cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bck && rm xorg.conf14:57
popeyits not using xorg.conf at all14:57
popeythere is not one14:57
popeyit was moved out of the way14:58
diplohmm seems it may be what you suggested now screen-x14:58
brobostigonpopey: i did that before i rebooted, to get things back to normal.14:58
diploHmm nope14:59
screen-xdiplo: you can see the list of stuff it installed via dependency here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/linux-kernel-devel14:59
diploVMware-Server wants location of the directory of C headers files that match my current kernel14:59
popeydiplo: it should find that automatically14:59
popeydiplo: where is it looking and what kernel you running?14:59
popeydiplo: what does "uname -a" return?14:59
diploand it;s looking in /usr/src/linux/include15:00
popeythats dumb15:00
popeyyou could make a symlin to point /usr/srv/linux at the /usr/src/whateverthepathistotheheaders15:01
brobostigonAlanBell:10-evdev.conf  50-synaptics.conf  50-vmmouse.conf  50-wacom.conf  51-synaptics-quirks.conf15:01
brobostigonAlanBell: that is what is inthat dir.15:01
diploJust tried full path to it ( can enter a different one ) but it still didn't like it15:02
diploWill just see how it does work atm15:02
AlanBellbrobostigon: ok, just chuck in the xorg.conf and give it a try15:03
* brobostigon just realised, he hasnt had any lunch.15:03
brobostigonAlanBell: ok, interesting, i will try.15:03
* brobostigon gets a whileworking lunch.15:04
MooDoobrobostigon: get lunch might free your mind a little15:04
popeythere's a song there15:05
MooDoolol i was thinking matrix at the time :D15:06
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIYpvlQP_s ?15:06
screen-xthere's also a java mindmapping tool..15:06
* popey points at MartijnVdS with his right hand whilst simultaneously raising his left index finger, tapping the side of his nose.15:07
MartijnVdSpopey: I'm like SoundHound, but on irc15:07
MartijnVdSpopey: and worse15:07
brobostigonMooDoo: good idea, i think better, with food.15:07
MooDoobrobostigon: i've had food and want a kip :)15:08
brobostigonMooDoo: :)15:08
brobostigonAlanBell: anything you want me to change from the xorg.conf i pastebinnned+15:09
smittixpopey: Didn't that guy from total recall say something like that?15:09
MooDooooo forgot about that one15:11
popeyTWO WEEKS!15:11
smittixOpen your miiiiiind15:11
smittixOne of my fave movies15:12
* smittix is bored.15:14
exobuzzyeh great film.15:14
MartijnVdSsmittix: quaaaiiid15:14
smittixI got fiiive kids to feed15:15
* popey cuddles exobuzz 15:15
* popey wondrs if exobuzz is working on a natty release for joggler15:15
popeythat would _rock_15:15
exobuzz"we hoped you enjoyed the ride" (or something)15:15
exobuzzpopey, should be easy to do really although ill have to downgrade x.org most likely15:16
exobuzzi reckon ill have it out within 7 days after release15:16
smittixJohnny Cab15:16
popeydont fancy a beta release? :)15:17
exobuzzi guess i could15:17
exobuzzbeta is end of this month ?15:17
popeynext week, yeah15:18
popeyif it's not too much effort15:18
exobuzzif i have the time ill do it15:18
popeydid you _just_ add total recall to your wishlist?15:19
exobuzzneed to get some time to get the stable xbmc4xbox out15:19
exobuzzi did yeh15:19
MartijnVdSthe DVD? Not the bluray? :)15:19
exobuzzive seen it a million times, but its worth having on dvd15:19
exobuzznaah dvd is ok for me15:20
exobuzzill get blueray when its latest gen -115:20
MartijnVdSexobuzz: 8-)15:20
exobuzzplus, if i have the dvd, i feel less guilty pirating the h264 1080p rip15:20
exobuzz"thats for making me come to mars"15:21
exobuzzthere was this great slideshow with music on the amiga with a total recall tune with lots of samples from the film15:21
exobuzzloved that15:21
smittixI think I remember that15:21
smittixWasnt it a demo?15:22
smittixI used to love Amiga demo's15:22
MooDoofirst amiga demo i saw had a bjork sound track15:22
exobuzzwell demo coded. but not much more than a slideshow/scroller afair15:22
smittixThose and messing around in deluxe paint15:22
AlanBellbrobostigon: go for it15:22
* MooDoo still has devpac15:23
brobostigonAlanBell: ok, i have ready, will try, thank you.15:23
AlanBellwhat you are looking for is a different Xorg.0.log, that shows more lines starting with VESA than lines starting with Intel15:23
exobuzzactually there were more than one total recall demo..15:23
exobuzzMooDoo, i used to use that, but for demo stuff i prefered asmone15:23
brobostigonAlanBell: ok, letmekeep an eye.15:25
smittixI used to collect Loader mid's15:29
smittixhow sad15:29
exobuzzits nice15:30
smittixComicBakery - Instant Remedy was up there.15:30
exobuzz(total recall amiga demos stuff)15:30
brobostigonwish me luck.15:32
exobuzzsmittix, if you like computer music http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Special:Modland has a good collection15:36
exobuzz(i run the frontend, but the collection is managed by a swedish demoscener)15:36
exobuzzabout 400,000 music mods in 300 formats (across lots of platforms)15:37
oimonwhat the? i just commented on an open redhat bug and suddenly it seems to have either disappeared or i am no longer allowed to view it. no security issues with the bug15:39
AlanBelloimon: maybe ask in #redhat15:40
oimonAlanBell: i could try...i wonder if they are friendly in there.15:40
gordunity passed 1000 revisions today \o/15:45
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bigcalmAnybody here know Keir Whitaker?15:54
popeyi dont15:55
bigcalmA PHP dev, I was wondering how well known he was15:55
popeyaint not never heard of him15:56
bigcalm-1 + -1 + -1 = -1?15:56
TheOpenSourcererme neither15:57
screen-xbigcalm: addition fail15:57
bigcalmQuite, so tripple negatives don't make a positive ;)15:57
bigcalmHEh :P15:57
smittixoooh bluebird GTK theme is very nice15:58
popeyexobuzz: you dont update your wishlist very often do you?15:58
bigcalmI should put a link to my wishlist on my blog15:58
popeyi added beer to mine :D http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/29FWHGD2GAECA15:59
popeyCPUs & Beer \o/15:59
screen-xwut no referral code?15:59
bigcalmpopey: I added beer to mine, but nobody got me any :(15:59
popeywifey asked me last night what I wanted for birthday15:59
popeybecause relatives find me hard to buy for16:00
popeyI keep saying "amazon wishlist!"16:00
* MooDoo is having some studio lighting for my photography :)16:00
bigcalmAh, that explains it. The item I had added is no longer available16:00
bigcalm 16:00
bigcalm :)16:01
bigcalmGah, bloody US keyboard!16:01
* bigcalm heads to Waitrose to get some snacks :(16:02
bigcalmI have no will today16:02
davmor2bigcalm: I can't believe you openly admit to want Kung-fu Panda :P16:02
bigcalmdavmor2: what's wrong with it?16:02
smittixbigcalm: Where has he gone?16:02
gregoryfentonbigcalm has more money than sense.  Whatever happened to lidl and aldi? :p16:02
bigcalmgregoryfenton: Waitrose is so very much closer16:03
gregoryfentonWe have a local morrisons, I spend a fortune in there :/16:03
bigcalmAs much as I like Lidl, I dislike the checkout process16:03
* popey hugs amazon16:03
smittixbah Aldi's Checkout is the worst16:04
popeyi dont think i have ever been in lidl or aldi16:04
smittixThe amount of times I have picked something up then put it back and walked out due to the checkout16:04
gregoryfentonAldi: the person in front of you always buys 58 toilet rolls and 100 packs of sugar16:04
davmor2popey: amazon is great and on 2.2.1 of android there is an app for amazon uk at last Huzzah16:04
exobuzzpopey, should i update it more? there is only so much a man can want16:05
bigcalmI've just installed that app on 2.3.316:05
popeyexobuzz: too late :)16:05
popeysmittix: whats wrong with the checkout?16:05
exobuzzpopey, have you done something? :) oh wait. someone bought me something. was that you ?16:05
bigcalmpopey: I hope you are never given the egg timer. The smell they give off is beyong horrid16:05
gregoryfentonfor people thinking we are offtopic I reckon the tills are ran on ubuntu server :D16:06
exobuzzthe boy in the striped pjs ?16:06
smittixpopey: One person serving 100 people16:06
exobuzzthat's very kind thanks :)16:06
smittixAnd the other members of staff "acting" like they're stacking shelves16:06
* popey hugs amazon prime16:06
bigcalmThe egg poachers are ace though :D16:06
popeyhmm, might remove that egg boiler thing tbh16:07
popeygiven I am quite capable of setting the timer on the oven to 00:0416:07
bigcalmWhat size camera is the gorillapod for?16:07
bigcalmI have the largest size for my DSLR16:07
popeymy zi816:08
DJonessmittix: The thing I dislike about aldi is the way you take everything out of the trolley, put it on the conveyor & then it goes through the till before being dumped back into the trolley for you take away & pack into bags somewhere else16:08
popeyoh, no bags?16:08
popeyblimey, thats a bit odd16:08
exobuzz4 min from cold or rolling boil ?16:08
popeyi put them in boiling water16:08
popeyalthough i have a joby gorilla pod for iphone416:08
popeyit's not as well made as I'd been led to believe16:09
exobuzzpopey, have you seen that film btw ? i saw it at the cinema.16:09
exobuzzgood flick.. i mean.. not a nice subject. but a great film16:09
popeyno, not seen it yet16:09
popeywifey doesn't want me to get the condiment gun16:09
DJonespopey: You get bags, but they don't give you time to pack into bags at the checkout, they don't have the big checkouts like normal supermarkets, after the checkout operator has scanned it, there's a space about 12" square for scanned goods16:09
exobuzznice thing16:10
popeywaste of money of course :)16:10
smittixDJones: Yeah haha16:13
oimonsomebody in front of me at lidl spilled a carton of milk. checkout girl has to clear it up while we wait16:14
smittixSounds about right16:15
oimoni would have gone home but lidl do flavours of haribo you can only dream of16:15
oimonand their jaffa cakes are nicer16:15
oimoni've usually eaten most of my purchases by the time i'm home16:15
smittixI pop there for salad bags as they seem quite nice compared to anywhere else16:15
smittixAnd once they had cases of Old Peculiar16:16
smittixWhich just had to come home with me16:16
DJonessmittix: All of them?16:17
smittixDJones: If only16:17
exobuzzpopey, btw its quite likely that unity 3d still wont work on the joggler.. the 2d one should, i hope the performance is better though as the 2d one felt slow when i tested an early version.16:23
exobuzzi guess the old/standard desktop will still be available16:23
popeyunity 2d would be cool enough though16:24
popeynice big buttoned interface16:24
exobuzzi still use jolios here. im a sort of convert. still some glitches, but its pretty ok for the finger16:25
oimonwhat's the resolution on the joggler16:26
Myrttithe amount of the royal wedding tat is amazing. How and Why on earth?16:26
MyrttiI mean - NAPKINS?16:26
exobuzzim waiting for the loo paper16:26
oimonexobuzz: same as my eee pc ..unity 2d sucks a bit on it16:26
Myrttiexobuzz: I'm waiting for the ryanair loo paper16:27
oimonMyrtti: lol16:27
exobuzzMyrtti, you can get a proper dispenser too http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/3583943933_2d243694fb.jpg16:27
Myrttithe one with the CEO's face printed on it16:27
exobuzzyeh,. cant stand the guy also16:27
popeyyeah, i still have jolios on mine16:28
Myrttiit was in their inflight magazine editorial - "in response to our competition on how to raise money instead of charging for loo visits, our favourite suggestion is the bog roll with our CEO's face on it. The plans for the WC charge have been scrapped for now..."16:28
exobuzzpopey, aah. so you got the latest then (since they renamed to jolios)16:28
popeyoh, no16:29
popeydidnt realise there was a name change16:29
popeyI'm just using whatever came on it and got automagically updated16:29
exobuzzaah yeh.. if it updates you lose the auto login and need to reset the config. you might want a new image to get the kernel updates also16:29
exobuzz(performance etc)16:29
popeywhen was this?16:30
exobuzz12/13 march was last update16:30
popeyoh oh16:30
popeyI am an idiot16:30
popeyyou are talking about jolicloud/jolios16:31
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popeyfor some reason my brain made "joliOS" == "the original image that comes on the joggler"16:31
popeyso, i booted original joggleros :)16:33
oimonjogglers are still > 50 quid on eeeebay16:34
Myrttiawww... it's snowing again :-<16:34
* DJones looks out of the window at the bright blue sky16:34
* screen-x also has blue sky16:35
exobuzzpopey, try xbmc on latest jolicloud/jolios :)16:35
* oimon has blue sky with a bit of smog16:37
exobuzzi use xbmc a fair bit with iplayer in the bedroom16:37
* oimon wanted a joggler but wants a cheap android tab instead16:37
exobuzzalso i listed to ubuntu uk podcasts on it16:37
oimonfor playing with while mrs oimon watches poirot16:37
exobuzzoimon, ive seen some go for £50.. can still get em for £50 on private forum sales16:38
oimonyou can buy 10 broken ones for 99£16:38
oimon£199 actually16:39
exobuzzprobably all fried from people plugging in the wrong power supply16:40
exobuzzseems a common mistake16:40
oimonjolios looks like it was made for joggler really16:40
exobuzzshame they dont include a keyboard etc16:41
exobuzzmaybe they could hire me to help.. id love to play with linux for a living16:42
oimonexobuzz: http://litl.com/16:42
exobuzzyeh can use wireless/bluetooth, but they should ship with florence or something as i do.16:42
exobuzzoimon, an expensive joggler?16:43
exobuzzlooks nice. whats the specs ?16:43
exobuzzoh. its a netbook folding thing16:43
exobuzzi missed that..16:43
oimonnetbook doubles as a joggler, nice looking linux based OS too16:43
exobuzzdecent specs.16:44
exobuzzdoesnt say what gfx probaly just intels onboard16:44
screen-xmmm, chrome beta for linux now has the cloud print proxy, but you have to enable it in about:flags, then in settings.16:44
exobuzzoimon, yeh it looks nice.16:44
oimonalso has IR receivers, HDMI16:45
exobuzzyeh. at first glance i thought it was pricey but its quite ok for the specs..16:46
exobuzzbut it might be like apple dollars16:46
exobuzz$399 = £399 or so ;-)16:46
Myrttihttp://www.tampere.fi/live/webkamera3.jpg :-<16:48
oimonMyrtti: that's not right16:48
Myrttiyeah, it's not, it's snowing a lot more here16:48
gordits 17 degrees here - glad for winter to be over16:49
MyrttiI'd be alarmed if it were any warmer than +5 here :-D16:50
oimonMyrtti: has it stopped being dark all day yet?16:51
brobostigoni found a solution,/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf16:52
brobostigonno xorg.conf at all.16:52
brobostigoni just need to tweak the resolution.16:52
Myrttioimon: sure it's called "vernal equinox"16:53
popey"Since we last spoke 18 user(s) stopped following you on Twitter;"16:55
Myrttipopey: lol :-D16:55
popeyqwitter :)16:55
popeymost are spammers tbh16:57
oimoni went to a meeting earlier and 4 people were wearing what i can only describe as red/white striped friendship bracelets...what this means?16:57
oimonah...In Bulgaria there is a tradition called Martenitsa, which sometimes involves tying a red and white string around the wrist to please Baba Marta in order for spring to come sooner.16:58
oimonseems contagious16:58
Myrttitime for a new dose of cough medicine, I'm afraid I'll pop a vein when coughing17:01
screen-xoimon: were you in Bulgaria?17:05
oimonscreen-x: no!17:05
oimonbut all it takes is one bulgarian colleague :P17:05
screen-xHeh, just got a call arranging a second stage phone interview. That means 1) The first one wasn't as bad as I thought. 2) I have to go through it all again17:06
oimonscreen-x: great news :)17:09
MartijnVdSscreen-x: Call doctor, ask for valium ;)17:11
screen-xMartijnVdS: that may be necessary..17:12
bigcalmDamn you Butterkist for being so moreish17:12
bigcalmShouldn't have gone to Waitrose17:13
bigcalmCame back with 2 tubes of pringles (on offer), 2 packs of fingerellas (on offer), pack of 4 Wispas, big bag of Butterkist toffee popcorn, box of tea bags and 4 bananas17:15
screen-x\o/ fruit17:15
MooDoohello/away brb17:28
brobostigonthank you for your help chaps and gals,i think i have it. lets see if the bug has gone or not.17:28
screen-xI have a managed switch which is dropping TX packets, but not RX packets. The worst offenders are in LAGs, and have dropped ~150K packets :( Any ideas why that could be?17:53
andatcheanyone in here use Zen for internet access?18:12
andatchean ISP in the UK18:17
andatchehaving a routing issue from a new IP range from them, was after a couple of traceroutes from another customer on a different range18:18
BigRedSIs there anything normal-desktop left that works on 386 but not amd64?18:48
directhexadobe flash, latest versions thereof18:51
* MartijnVdS likes his fingerprint reader working18:52
MartijnVdS(that's the last thing in this laptop to work :))18:52
MartijnVdSonly 2 "evil" drivers (fingerprint reader and Gobi 2000 3G)18:53
MartijnVdSczajkowski: Thanks for the great idea (Cooking for Geeks) :)18:54
BigRedSAhh, so old flash still works?18:55
BigRedSdiscussion at work - my amd64 debian laptop does everything I ask of it. but it's probably using flash from about 200218:55
MartijnVdSlatest flash works fine for me18:55
MartijnVdSon amd6418:55
BigRedSAh, cool. It's for a work PC, so I shouldn't be doing much with flash anyway18:55
directhexMartijnVdS, gobi2000 is reliable?18:56
MartijnVdSdirecthex: sometimes it doesn't come up on boot, but if it does (90% of the time) it works fine18:56
MartijnVdSdirecthex: and when it doesn't come up, restarting the udev job fixes that18:56
directhexMartijnVdS, not just me then18:56
BigRedSi've never seen the point in a working fingerprint reader on a laptop18:57
HazRPGI've got toffee ice cream :)18:57
MartijnVdSdirecthex: you have the same issue?18:57
BigRedSit's a fingerprint reader right next to ~100 impressions of your fingerprint18:57
* HazRPG *nom nom nom*18:57
directhexMartijnVdS, yes18:57
* nperry wonders if ubuntu is missing out...18:57
MartijnVdSdirecthex: I remember tweaking the udev bit to work better18:57
nperryFedora have a "test printing day" :/18:58
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Hmm, I could have sworn Myrtti said it first today about that book18:58
HazRPGMartijnVdS: (cooking for geeks)18:58
MartijnVdSHazRPG: oh.. but I remember czajkowski saying something about the 50% off18:58
MartijnVdSMyrtti: Thanks for for the great book-idea too :)18:59
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I saw a post recently about some ubuntu related books for $0.99!18:59
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Granted, they're for the eBook version... and its from amazon... but I recall their site does a PDF version for the same price iirc19:00
MartijnVdSdirecthex: Check if your gobi device is also in the backlist19:00
MartijnVdSHazRPG: When I buy O'Reilly ebooks, I prefer buying them from O'Reilly (because then I get epub, PDF and some other formats)19:01
MartijnVdSdirecthex: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-qdl-device-blacklist.rules19:01
directhexcat: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-qdl-device-blacklist.rules: No such file or directory19:02
HazRPGMartijnVdS: \o/19:02
MartijnVdSdirecthex: modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-qdl-device-blacklist.rules19:02
MartijnVdSmodemmanager                          0.4+git.20110124t203624.00b6cce-0ubuntu119:03
MartijnVdSdirecthex: ^ (running natty)19:03
directhexMartijnVdS, this is maverick19:03
MartijnVdSthe bug was fixed then :)19:03
* BigRedS grumbles about ubuntu's insistence on a swap partition19:12
HazRPGBigRedS: what's wrong with that?19:14
BigRedSHazRPG: I don't want one. It just seems a waste of a logical partition when we're limited to four, and serves no great purpose that a swap file can't do neater19:15
HazRPGBigRedS: Hmm, I think you have your terms mixed up there... you can have as many logical partitions as you want, you can have only 4 primary partitions however19:16
MyrttiMartijnVdS: you're welcome19:17
HazRPGI tend to have 1 primary for windows, 1 primary for swap, 1 primary for /boot and then the rest are all logical (slash extended) partitions19:17
MartijnVdSMyrtti: except now I have the urge to buy lots of copies for friends' birthdays :)19:17
BigRedSHazRPG: yeah. That just seems more than it should be. I just don't get the advantage of having swap as a separate partition19:18
mgdmMartijnVdS: you rickrolling again?19:18
BigRedSbut this is an old rant of mine that's going to start boring people here shortly, I fear :)19:18
MartijnVdSmgdm: no, "Cooking for Geeks"19:19
mgdmah :)19:19
MartijnVdSmgdm: but I like the way you think ;)19:20
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HazRPGBigRedS: I'm pretty sure you can install ubuntu without having to make a swap partition19:28
ali1234you can19:28
HazRPGBigRedS: or at least you can with alt CD...19:28
DJonesI would have thought if you don't specify a swap partition at install, (livecd or alternate) you won't get one19:29
DJonesHi duvelhedz How did you find the rugby supporters once you got to them at the weekend, was there much rugby involved, or was it all drinking19:31
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BigRedSHazRPG: ah yeah. I always forget which one's which19:35
smittixSticky Rib Pot Noodle19:39
smittix /random19:39
HazRPGhmm, this is interesting...19:42
HazRPGapparently I can't open the browser and type a url on the kindle unless I register it with amazon... however if I click a link on an ebook, the browser opens up and starts downloading the site down... odd...19:43
HazRPG(note to self: Make a quick ebook with some useful links I *may* ever need to access on my kindle)19:43
gordsurely all you need is google.com19:43
smittixWhat is google?19:44
mgdmOut of interest, why haven't you registered it?19:44
HazRPGmgdm: just intrigued how far I can take it without having to register it - that and I don't like to prospect of amazon being able to delete books I buy from their store at will19:45
mgdmThat doesn't worry me hugely, since i can count on the fingers of one finger the number of times they've done that19:46
mgdm(at least that I'm aware of)19:46
HazRPGif I don't register it, then I don't have the urge to just simply buy ebooks left-right and centre on their site - I look for alternatives on other drm-free sites19:46
HazRPGmgdm: ah, the animal farm incident19:47
HazRPGI find that rather ironic, that the very thing the book tries to portray - and amazon pretty much proves it right19:47
dutchiewould be better if it was 198419:47
Myrttiyay for non-Kindle ebook readers ♥19:47
mgdmdutchie: it was both at the same time19:47
dutchiei knew it was orwell19:48
HazRPGMyrtti: what have you got, if you don't mind me asking?19:49
HazRPGalso, indeed was both of them19:49
MyrttiHazRPG: Sony PRS-60019:50
alexcockellhowever, did they leave UK customers alone?19:50
HazRPGalexcockell: not sure? Although would be awesome if the british power of "I'll write a letter" stopped amazon from ridding us of the books19:51
MartijnVdSMyrtti: I like my PRS-600, but other readers have better contrast19:52
HazRPGMyrtti: really? I thought Sony was worse with their DRM than anyone?19:52
MartijnVdSHazRPG: PRS-600 works great with drm-free ebooks :)19:52
alexcockellI think the copyright issue was more US-based....19:52
gordsigh, why doesn't constantly refreshing the amazon site make my order get dispatched quicker19:52
HazRPGMartijnVdS: so does the kindle so far :P19:52
HazRPGgranted, epub doesn't work much to my dislike19:52
MartijnVdSalexcockell: If you're in the Netherlands, it's hard to buy English-language e-books19:53
MartijnVdSalexcockell: "You're in the wrong country, we don't want your money"19:53
MyrttiHazRPG: depends on how you look at it, it's the bog standard Adobe one which doesn't really bother me after the device has been registered, after that it works with Calibre or just plain file managers just fine19:53
Myrttithe DRM isn't tied to an application transferring the book to the device, so it doesn't really matter after the device has been registered19:54
HazRPGsame with the kindle if I recall...19:54
HazRPGif fact most of them don't mind19:54
gordyou don't actually have to use the amazon web store :) honestly most of the books i have read on mine have been out of copyright, thus free to download from elsewhere19:55
Myrttihowever I was limited in my choices by a) the nonexistence of Finnish kindle books b) nonexistence of any Amazon service to Finland at the time I made my purchase19:56
HazRPGgord: heh, same - got the complete asimov books on mine :)19:56
gordyeah, if you don't reside in the UK or the US, i wouldn't recommend a kindle19:57
HazRPGMyrtti: ah, that makes sense19:57
Myrttibesides, ePub is an open standard.19:57
brobostigongood evening everyone,19:58
HazRPGyeah ePub is open, Adobe has created a DRM for it too19:58
* gord looks at all his assigned bugs, notes they all say Fix Committed19:58
gordthink its time to call it a day!19:58
HazRPGso there are open ePub's and closed ePub's... but really I don't mind having DRM, as long as they just don't redact my purchases from me19:59
HazRPGbrobostigon: good evening :)19:59
brobostigonHazRPG: good evening, :)19:59
HazRPGgord: and no refreshing the page won't make your delivery arrive faster :P - I've tried :P20:00
HazRPGtell you what, I'm hating the fact that its hard to find arabic eBooks :(20:01
HazRPGI want to download some arabic books, to practice my reading - because I feel like a 4yo when it comes to reading20:01
* brobostigon has given up on 715096 getting fixed, and is using vesa.20:02
HazRPGMyrtti: ooo, I didn't realise the prs-600 was a touch screen :o!20:03
gordHazRPG, but its *very* important that my nintendo arrives on time!20:03
HazRPGbrobostigon: thank god that said vesa and not vista (as I originally read that!)20:03
gordamazon don't seem to understand quite how important20:03
brobostigonHazRPG: phew, :)20:03
HazRPGgord: :P20:03
HazRPGgord: ordered the new 3DS by any chance? :P20:04
gordyes! and i own a mario hat so that means i should get it before everyone else.20:04
brobostigonHazRPG: i tried windows after windows 2000/nt4, and didnt like it much, really.20:04
HazRPGbrobostigon: envious, I didn't know any better until after XP :(20:04
brobostigonHazRPG: i began when i tried BeOS in the late 90's, and saw something so much more, than what i had,20:05
HazRPGmade it my mission that if I ever have kids, that they shall know about linux :)20:05
BigRedSI think everyone I meet ends up knowing about linux20:06
BigRedScertainly anyone who sees me at a computer...20:06
HazRPGBigRedS: haha, same20:06
brobostigonHazRPG: iwould say, the freedom of FLOSS as a whole, rather than any speific system.20:07
HazRPGapparently one of the ways to annoy me is to dis penguins and linux according to friends and ex's20:07
brobostigonHazRPG: is what i would teach,20:07
HazRPGbrobostigon: agreed20:08
HazRPGcan't wait until ubuntu gets hacked for the kindle 3 :)20:08
BigRedSyeah, that's what I get told off for - ranting about software freedom20:08
HazRPGsomeone has already done it for kindle 2 iirc20:09
HazRPGBigRedS: heh, my ranting and raving about software freedom got my higher marks than everyone else at college :P20:09
HazRPGthey were teaching us aspx, and I refused point blank to use it and did it all in php...20:09
HazRPGdespite being told I'd be marked down for it20:10
kvarleyHow can I add a domain name to my lamp install on my Ubuntu machine, I mean so people on my network can type http://randomname rather than my machines local ip address20:10
kvarleyHazRPG: WIN :)20:10
HazRPGit got marked at college with one mark... and I got a higher mark when it went through the marking board20:10
BigRedSkvarley: add it to your hosts file20:10
kvarleyBigRedS: Where's that? /usr/share ?20:11
BigRedSHazRPG: Ah. Uni disapproved of me using gnu's fortran compiler raher than whatever we were supposed to be using...20:11
BigRedSkvarley: /etc/hosts20:11
kvarleyBigRedS: Thank you20:11
HazRPGBigRedS: heh, I got told off for using NetBeans for Java... and the following year, it was all that was installed on their machines ;)20:12
HazRPGserves them right for allowing me to do a HND and get placement at the college :P20:12
BigRedSthe format os <ip address> <space-spearated-list-of-domain-names>20:12
BigRedSso you might add a line like20:12
BigRedS127.0.0.1 randomname20:12
BigRedSfor the abovce to work20:12
* BigRedS can't type this evening20:12
brobostigoni used linux, persistant floppies all over, while at collage, everyone complained, other than my hardware engineering teacher,20:12
HazRPGin fact, I apparently saved the college loads of money by installing NetBeans on their system xD20:12
brobostigonHazRPG: :)20:13
HazRPGbrobostigon: \o/20:13
brobostigonHazRPG: oh, and i forgot, qnx live floppies, aswell. :)20:14
BigRedShah. actually, uni was also my introduction to winxp20:14
HazRPGbrobostigon: I almost got marked down for C++ because I used an open-sourced compiler... the same code wouldn't compile in VC++20:14
brobostigonHazRPG: my hw engineering teacher, had never seen a live medium like that before.20:15
brobostigonHazRPG: thats crap, what, :(20:15
mgdmHazRPG: to be fair it's not *that* hard to make code compile in both... :)20:15
mgdmunless you're doing something odd20:15
* brobostigon aplogizes for his language,20:16
HazRPGmgdm: the code error was for using system("pause>nul"); that was the only flaw in the code20:16
HazRPGbrobostigon: heh, its fine... they were just retards20:16
mgdmthere are better ways to do that in C++ :)20:17
brobostigonHazRPG: lol, ok. :)20:17
HazRPGmgdm: oh I know, it was only a rough program though20:17
HazRPGe.g. getch(); I think is another way of doing it20:18
HazRPGI was half tempted to use "read ...." etc, but I knew that defo wouldn't compile in windows20:20
HazRPGMyrtti: I'm slighly envious now... prs-600 supports memory cards!20:25
MartijnVdSHazRPG: both sd and memstick20:26
MyrttiHazRPG: inorite :-D20:27
HazRPGMartijnVdS: yeah, I was just generalising :P20:27
HazRPGI call all types of cards as just simply memory cards20:28
MartijnVdSSure, but it has two separate slots20:28
MartijnVdSthat's what I meant :)20:28
HazRPGMartijnVdS: ah cool :)20:29
MartijnVdSso you could use 64G of SD and 64G of MS :)20:29
HazRPGhmm, I wonder what the battery life is like with audio...20:30
Myrttithe audioplayer is horrible20:31
MartijnVdSI haven't even tried it20:31
HazRPGMyrtti: :)20:31
MartijnVdSthe drawing thingy creates svgs20:31
MartijnVdS(with some sony-proprietary tags mixed in, but it's still svg)20:32
MartijnVdSbut it's mostly novelty20:32
HazRPGI think the kindle does svg too20:32
HazRPGwas messing with settings in calibre20:32
HazRPGand the kindle was reading the books fine20:32
Myrttimight have just crashed chromium :-(20:34
HazRPGMyrtti: how you feeling today anyways? (recalls you saying you weren't feeling too good the other day)20:34
Myrttibooked nurses appointment for tomorrow, I'm short of breath a lot now and my coughing is fairly terrible20:35
HazRPGMyrtti: :(20:37
HazRPGMyrtti: hope ya feel better soon20:37
PendulumMyrtti: I hope the nurse can help or get you to someone who can help ASAP. Be careful!20:38
HazRPGMyrtti: guessing you guys don't have a quedoc equivalent over there20:39
Myrttithe what?20:43
HazRPGMyrtti: like a 24 hour version of a doctor essentially, run by the NHS iirc20:44
Myrttiwe do have a&e that takes non-emergencies (sudden illnesses etc) in, but I can wait until tomorrow, I'm not that desperate yet.20:47
HazRPGsee what's what I think is odd, cos we have a&e too :/20:47
Myrttisome municipalities have their own systems for non-emergency-but-still-need-someone-to-look-at-this-right-now cases20:48
Myrttiour's has been consolidated with the uni hospital20:49
brobostigonevening popey20:50
mgdmHazRPG: AKA "NHS 24" in England & Wales, and "NHS Direct" in Scotland?20:51
mgdmHi popey20:52
daubersmgdm: NHS direct is just the phone thing isn't it?20:52
* AlanBell just got oauth working with twitter20:52
czajkowskiI hate buses20:52
czajkowskiI hate trains20:52
mgdmdaubers: ah true - I've not come across a place that does it - though I've called NHS Direct and had a referral to a doctor20:53
HazRPGpopey: evening squire20:53
AlanBellNHS Direct is great20:53
HazRPGdaubers: it is20:53
daubersI've rang them and been put through to the Amvulance service :)20:54
jacobwIs it possible to watch channel 4 online?21:01
jacobw(not 4oD)21:01
HazRPGwow, 8 more days until I make a fool of myself xD21:01
jacobwHow so?21:01
HazRPGjacobw: chairing the next meeting21:02
jacobwI'm sure you'll do it well :)21:02
brobostigonHazRPG: we are here to help and guide you, havea few practise runs before hand.21:02
HazRPGand they say internet-related stuff isn't as nerving as real-life stuff... lol21:03
brobostigonHazRPG: go over into the meeting channel, and have some practice with the bot,21:04
HazRPGbrobostigon: I've had a bit of practice with it, got notes on my kindle already for it ^^21:04
HazRPGbrobostigon: just more worried I'll say the wrong things more than anything21:05
brobostigonHazRPG: thats good, the more preperation, the more it will put you at ease. you cant say the wrong thing, we are very open-minded.21:05
HazRPGmy friends found it odd when they asked what I was up to one night and I said I'm writing some notes down for a meeting... they thought I was mental xD21:07
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HazRPGcbx33: how's the book coming along?21:09
HazRPGcbx33: (realises he checked out the book a week ago, but forgot to commit the changes)21:09
AlanBellHazRPG: main thing with chairing a meeting (any meeting) is that you are responsible for the pace of the meeting, and not much else21:10
AlanBellyou certainly don't have to lead the discussions or anything like that21:10
HazRPG... guess there's one way of finding the answer to that, download the new changes :)21:10
AlanBelljust make sure it is not rushed, and make sure that it doesn't drag on forever21:10
popeyjacobw: yes21:11
HazRPGAlanBell: yeah, I sorta chaired meetings at college for my HND - mainly because I had the most experience with making websites21:11
popey^^^ channel 4 live21:11
HazRPGAlanBell: but half the time it was mainly me doing all the talking, and giving out jobs, and teaching them bits and pieces they didn't already know... so I felt more like a tutor than anything else21:12
* Seeker` still remembers the epic 2 hour meeting that spawned mootbot21:13
HazRPGAlanBell: I'll try to see if I can keep it within the hour (or less), worst case scenario... I don't get asked to chair again :P21:14
cbx33hey HazRPG very well21:15
cbx33chcked it out recently?21:15
HazRPGno, only just remembered about it today21:15
cbx33trying to come up with a front cover :)21:15
HazRPGcbx33: doing the designs yourself?21:15
cbx33want a nice image21:15
HazRPGcool :)21:16
cbx33trying to think of an image that represents Git well21:16
HazRPGwhat sort of thing you thinking so far?21:17
shaunotony blair with a huge grin on his face.21:17
cbx33i dunno21:17
dutchiemay be a bit UK-centric21:18
cbx33I like the front of Jono Bacons book on communities21:18
cbx33so some thing like that21:18
HazRPGah, is that the one with the elastic bands?21:19
HazRPGI recall reading that at one point :)21:19
HazRPGI really like the Keir Thomas book cover's he does21:20
dutchieis that the one with the cat?21:20
HazRPGI was thinking the bonzi tree one... but yeah he has the cat one too21:21
cbx33yes the elastic bans one21:21
cbx33got a link to the other one21:22
HazRPGhis new one has a spanner, and one that has like a package on a trolley thing too21:22
cbx33the book is called git in the trenches21:22
cbx33so i need to think of something that fits with that too21:22
HazRPGwell, here's one cover I found that has the word trenches in the title: http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x6/x31553.jpg21:24
HazRPGI was originally expecting to see books with men in trenches... but I guess you can play on the idea that its usually war related for the cover idea21:24
cbx33which is unfortunate21:25
HazRPGso you could have like a rabbit with a helmet on or something21:25
cbx33i guess the question is - should I go for quirky21:25
cbx33or serious :)21:25
HazRPGconsidering the nature of the book so far (as far as I've read I mean), a quirky picture would fit more21:26
HazRPGmaybe play around with how you'd envisioned your two characters to look like21:26
HazRPGand bring them to life on the cover21:27
cbx33yeh i considered a cartoon type line drawing on a white cover21:27
HazRPGsomething like this maybe: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12079/12079-h/images/353.png21:28
HazRPGbut in a trench...21:28
cbx33yes was a thought of mine too21:28
cbx33or a funny little robot21:28
HazRPGperhaps with a computer screen embedded into the wall of the trench for extra quirky points :P21:28
* HazRPG can't really draw well, but I do have an over-active imagination21:29
HazRPGooo what was the computer show on TV called that use to show game previews back in the 80's and 90's!21:30
HazRPGI'm not thinking games master... it was the other one21:31
HazRPGwith the random robot with TV's attached to it21:32
brobostigonheres an idea, my mum justtold me, when she went to see out family doctor today, out family doctor suggested i could be autistic.21:32
HazRPGsurely they would have worked that out years ago though?21:33
brobostigonbacuse of certain action, thinking and behaviour,21:33
HazRPGif you were autistic I mean...21:33
brobostigonHazRPG: i would tend toagree.21:33
HazRPGI would hate to see what a quack would call me :/21:34
brobostigonHazRPG: i am already a depressive, and have personality disorder.21:34
* dutchie pokes his interent21:34
dutchiego faster21:34
* Azelphur also pokes dutchie's internet21:35
Azelphurbe a good internet and I'll bring you a treat later.21:35
dogmatic69_how do i pass a var to a bash function ?21:36
HazRPGargh... its going to bug me now...21:36
dutchiedogmatic69_: function arg1 arg221:37
HazRPGI'm sure it was called "video games & movies" or something and use to show on ITV iirc21:37
dogmatic69_sorry, in the code21:37
cbx33HazRPG, i should recall that one21:37
dutchieer, like that?21:37
HazRPGcbx33: so you'll know what I mean with the robot?21:37
dutchiedogmatic69_: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/functions.html21:38
dogmatic69_function(something_here){... no?21:38
HazRPGcbx33: you could use something like that for the book I guess21:38
dutchiedogmatic69_: no, bash is weird21:38
dutchiehttp://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/complexfunct.html is what you want actually21:39
* dogmatic69_ knows too much php21:39
dogmatic69_ok, so just use $121:39
brobostigonHazRPG: to make it worse, i looked up what it autism is, and it made as littlesense as talking to me about psychology.21:41
Hornetanyone encountered a dry ice vendor?21:41
Hornetfor small amounts that is, eg no minimum orders of 10kg etc21:41
HazRPGbrobostigon: I knew a kid that was autistic... short answer is they basically react in social situations differently then other people normally would21:43
HazRPGsomething they find funny, might not be... etc21:43
HazRPGthey'll laugh at inappropriate times, etc21:43
brobostigonHazRPG: that discribes me, definatly.21:44
HazRPGbrobostigon: really? I wouldn't have said you were21:45
HazRPGthey're also usually very polite, but can be very rude at times but don't mean to be21:45
brobostigonHazRPG: in real life, are things different than here, ?. some people say to me, iwas talking to you, but you obviouslwasnt listening, otherwise you would have gave me a cuddle.21:47
brobostigonHazRPG: but, my driving instructor said, she talks to me about things, and then i cut her off, to talk about my  IT issues.21:48
HazRPGI doubt that's autism, I mean i get distracted all the time, but I wouldn't say I was autistic21:48
brobostigonHazRPG: ifound out later, from someelse, i made her upset, because i hurt her feleings.21:49
popey'autism' covers a lot of things really.21:51
popeythere is a wide spectrum of affections21:51
brobostigonHazRPG: but i still dont understand wht it means, mind you, i havent done muchresearch.21:51
cbx33HazRPG, if you get anytime - would appreciate a look at the latest chapters :)21:51
popeymy wife works with autistic kids all day in her job21:51
HazRPGbrobostigon: this video sort of recaps it down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbeyIG7Fz8s21:51
brobostigonpopey: so mydoctor could be picking up on alot of different and wide rnding things.21:51
Hornetread 'the curious incident of the dog in the night time'21:52
HornetI could post you a copy if you want, I'm rolling in them21:52
HazRPGbrobostigon: at the end of the day, don't take labels so literally... we're all still human at the end of the day and we all deal with things differently - its what makes us who we are :)21:55
brobostigonHazRPG: very true, i like, :)21:56
smittixtumblr seems to always be down :/21:56
HazRPGbrobostigon: labels are only there to help explain why each different type of human being acts or reacts, but again... no two people are truly the same21:57
HazRPGsomeone once told me "you know, I can't quite put a a label on you... your just like so many things rolled into one, from your dress-code down to your personally... you just don't fit into any of them"21:58
HazRPGshe was studying psychology ironically21:58
HazRPGno ones able to be able to put a label on me, so much so that people have started just saying "its a haz" lol21:59
brobostigonhehe, :)21:59
HazRPGif your doc/parents say your autistic... does it really matter? At the end of the day, your still the same person22:00
Azelphur^ indeed22:01
Azelphurthat said a diagnosis can make life a lot easier :p22:02
popeyhello willy_197722:02
brobostigonHazRPG: in the end, it doesnt matter, it only helps for me to help me, to understand myself better.22:02
zleapand if you tell people you are you are doing your self a dis-service, concentrate on telling people what you are good at,  people have their own ideas of what autism is,  and that idea sticks,22:02
HazRPGyou don't need to change who you are, because that's what makes you YOU... and it's the person we all know here :)22:02
gregoryfentonsorry, just catching up the thread hazrpg, my son has Asperger's Syndrome22:03
AzelphurI've got Aspergers syndrome :)22:03
willy_1977popey: hiya22:03
popeygregoryfenton: I'd expect a significant proportion of people here have some degree of aspergers :)22:03
zleappopey, yeah i nrad something similar in the jagon file about that22:03
gregoryfentonpopey true :)22:03
zleapmore towards autism, i think,  it what makes hackers good at what they are good at22:04
HazRPGgregoryfenton: hmm, have a said something wrong?22:04
brobostigonHazRPG: i am who i am, an unemployed engineer, who had some physics interests.22:04
gregoryfentonnot at all, I just alt-tabed back in and it caught my eye22:04
HazRPGfair enough :)22:04
HazRPGbrobostigon: you'll get work dude, don't worry :)22:05
brobostigonwho has*22:05
AzelphurHazRPG: a label can help though, both to understand yourself and to understand others better :p22:05
HazRPGAzelphur: yeah I agree, but you shouldn't let it become you though22:05
zleapi agree22:05
brobostigonHazRPG: work doesnt truly matter (other thn money), i just want an interesting challange.in truth.22:06
willy_1977I think "the label" may help the individual certain labels applied to me have certainly clarified a few things :)22:06
zleapyou may find that other hackers or true geeks actually understand you better,22:06
HazRPGbecause if you keep telling yourself you are something... you eventually believe it to be so and start either a) using it as an excuse, b) become more of what it is you think you are... and personally I just feel that's wrong22:06
AzelphurHazRPG: I see people using it as an excuse, it annoys me22:07
popeyi would recommend professional assesment via your GP22:07
popeyrather than assessment via irc22:07
HazRPGpopey: me?22:07
willy_1977popey: oh crikey definitely...22:07
Azelphurpopey: I'm properly diagnosed/statemented :p22:07
popeyno HazRPG, we're talking about brobostigon22:07
Azelphurand govornment gives me free monies \o/22:07
HazRPGpopey: iirc bro's doc is assessing it (family doc at least)22:07
Azelphurbrobostigon: yea get a statement if you can then govornment gives you free monies \o/22:08
brobostigonpopey: that is what i have madeappointment to do, and asked her to for me to see my old pychologist, i used to have,22:08
popeynice one brobostigon22:08
Azelphurbrobostigon: if you get a diagnosis, apply for Disability living allowance and maybe Employment and support allowance if you want22:08
HazRPGbrobostigon: :), again like I said your still the same person regardless of what they say :)22:09
brobostigonpopey: they both should be able to get enough together, to make a good assessment.22:09
willy_1977Azelphur: see when I see people using stuff as an excuse I feel the need to question why? it's not annoyance it's their coping mechanism after all...22:09
popeybrobostigon: Azelphur speaks wise words :)22:09
exobuzzpopey, for some reason (im not ruling out that pressies motivate me ;-) i started working on the natty release22:09
Azelphurindeed :)22:09
popeyhaha exobuzz22:09
Azelphur brobostigonalso if your on housing benefits inform them that you are disabled it can get your rates increased22:09
zleapalso if you have proper diagnoses then employers can't discriminate against you i guess22:09
brobostigonpopey: he doesnt, as i dont want moremoney from our government, i have had enough already.22:09
HazRPGbrobostigon: just think, you'll get the best parking spots too :)22:10
popeybrobostigon: lots of positive stuff comes with the diagnosis like being given more time in tests/exams22:10
Azelphurwilly_1977: yea, my dad continually uses it as an excuse, I no longer talk to him :p22:10
brobostigonpopey: i didnt know, i see.22:10
popeybrobostigon: you may not want it, but you should claim what you're entitled to22:10
popeythats why we pay our taxes22:10
brobostigonHazRPG: i am having driving lesosns,22:10
Azelphur^ you can also be given exams in different formats or with a helper22:10
Azelphurand your supposed to get free laptops during school too22:10
exobuzzpopey, having said that, i also feel that if i continue to listen to you on the radio, i should take a proper look at your pressie list too ;-)22:11
exobuzzthe guilt!22:11
brobostigonpopey: that is very true, yes.22:11
popeyyeah, you can have the option of doing work on a computer rather than written etc22:11
HazRPGbrobostigon: that's my point :), when you pass (and I'm sure you will :)) you'll get awesome parking spaces :)22:11
popeyexobuzz: no need :) honest22:11
popeyexobuzz: i dont give to receive, its a thanks22:11
brobostigonHazRPG: lol, :)22:11
popeybrobostigon: how old are you now22:11
brobostigonpopey: 28.22:11
willy_1977brobostigon: whipper snapper :p22:12
HazRPGwilly_1977: I'd hate to see what you call me :P22:12
popeythe depression could certainly be linked to misdiagnosis or lack of diagnosis22:12
brobostigonwilly_1977: oh thanks, i have osteoporosis, and broke myhip three years ago.22:12
exobuzzi know. and it was lovely, but you give a lot too.. best radio show for sure. my only complaint is i want it weekly .. heh ;-)22:12
popeyexobuzz: me too sometimes :)22:13
ubuntuuk-planet[Matthew Garrett] HTC are still incredible fuckheads - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/135665.html22:13
exobuzzwe talking about the radio ?22:13
ubuntuuk-planet[Simos Xenitellis] ‰Á¸µ ¿ Firefox 4! - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/simos/~3/HjJVhQST4bg/119322:13
brobostigonpopey: elaborate please.22:13
popeybrobostigon: well, you've got to 28 without being diagnosed as being somewhere on the autistic spectrum right?22:13
HazRPGactually, yeah popey does make a good point22:14
brobostigonpopey: yep. although it has been suggested before,22:14
popeybrobostigon: there's a distinct possibility that the feelings you have are at least in part related to the lack of help you've had for that22:14
brobostigonpopey: hmm , interesting, maybe.22:15
Azelphur++ on HTC being fuckheads in that regard xD22:15
popeythey asses stuff like speed of processing, expressive language skills, long and short term memory skills, visual memory skills, auditory skills etc..22:15
popeywhat you'll learn from that is how you learn best22:15
popeywhich can help you in the future22:15
popeyso it's not about labelling you22:15
brobostigonpopey: interesting, ok. umm.22:16
popeyit's about a diagnosis which can help you to build ways to deal with your life22:16
Azelphurbrobostigon: as someone whos diagnosed I agree with popey 100% :)22:16
popeyyou've clearly been dealt a crappy hand, best to do the best you can with it :D22:16
brobostigonpopey: agreed, the more i know myself, the more i will be able to do.22:16
shaunoit's only a label if you choose to wear it.  otherwise, it's just another datapoint to work with22:16
Azelphurindeed, my lifes still crap, but it's a lot less crap than it would be without the financial support xD22:16
brobostigonAzelphur: :)22:16
exobuzzdamn this channel is busy..22:16
willy_1977brobostigon: no offense meant... 28 is young I reckon ;)22:16
exobuzzcant keep up22:17
brobostigonwilly_1977: but as popey said, not with the stuff got has dealt me.22:17
HazRPGexobuzz: not always busy... besides if you compare to #ubuntu, you'll be lost within first joining the channel!22:17
popeyhttp://www.arkellcentre.org.uk/support/Famous-Dyslexics.aspx <- worth a look brobostigon :) might motivate you22:17
brobostigonstuff god*22:18
AzelphurEinstein was aspergers iirc :D22:18
exobuzzpopey, i sent you a pm btw. just in case you missed it22:18
exobuzzHazRPG, yeh true22:18
brobostigonAzelphur: interesting, you would never have known, really.22:18
popeymany people on the autistic spectrum are highly intelligent22:19
popeyequally there are people who have excellent social skills but can't remember where they put their keys22:19
brobostigonpopey: like einstein,22:19
popeypeople have different ways that their issues manifest themselves22:19
popeyooo exobuzz22:19
brobostigonok, yes, that makes sense.22:20
popeyfirst step is assesment, yeah :)22:20
brobostigonpopey: two weeks time, i am seeing my doctor,22:20
mgdmbrobostigon: I doubt "good luck" is the correct term, but I can't think of the right one... hope it goes well22:21
popeyyeah, same here22:21
popeyhope you get what you want from it22:22
willy_1977brobostigon: I apologise.22:22
brobostigon:) thanks guys and gals.22:22
* willy_1977 like exobuzz is struggling to keep up ;)22:22
popeymy bed is calling me22:22
mgdmg'night popey22:22
brobostigonpopey: what i get from it, isnt importent,22:22
brobostigonnos da popey22:22
HazRPGpopey: night dude22:22
willy_1977popey: g'night.22:23
exobuzzi only see highlighted text, and i just keep seeing a bright red willy22:23
willy_1977oooer... missus...22:23
brobostigonwilly_1977: apology accepted, i have a young mind, but an old body,22:23
Azelphurbrobostigon: if you get statemented and want to get the benefits I can tell you most of the stuff about it :)22:24
HazRPGbrobostigon: erm... yeah saying "good luck" just sounds wrong, but hopefully the news will help your life a lot more (regardless of the outcome)22:24
brobostigonAzelphur: thank you,22:24
HazRPGbrobostigon: like I said, your still the same guy we all know and love :)22:25
brobostigonHazRPG: as i like to say, it helps me deal with things better, as i understand myself better.22:25
AlanBellbrobostigon: you might like to join #wrongplanet22:25
brobostigonAlanBell: uhh, ?22:26
ascenseurevening all22:26
brobostigonnoswaith dda ascenseur22:26
ascenseuraha, noswaith dda brobostigon ;)22:27
HazRPGascenseur: evening squire22:27
ascenseurlong time no see22:27
ascenseurHazRPG: ah, bonsoir monsieur, ça va?22:27
* dwatkins notes a distinct lack of howtos online for 'How to add a public key to the authorized_keys file in one line' and writes one22:27
dwatkins...and hello again fellow Ubuntu fans :)22:27
ascenseurnight you lot ;)22:28
HazRPGer... Je suis bon merci... I thin22:29
HazRPGdwatkins: ?22:29
willy_1977ah... bonnet de douche, bonnet de douche... Rodney :)22:30
HazRPGmy sister just gave me a pack of money-head sweets! woo!22:30
HazRPGwilly_1977: shower cap?22:30
dwatkinsHazRPG: this...22:31
dwatkinsssh-keygen -N '' -t rsa && ssh example.com 'cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys' < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub`22:31
HazRPGhmm, that's weird... because I'm sure douche means "wash up" in arabic lol22:31
willy_1977HazRPG: I dunno it just sounds french don't it  (see only fools n horses)22:31
HazRPGwilly_1977: yeah, I got the reference when you had Rodney at the end ;)22:32
dwatkinsBoth meanings have the same roots, HazRPG - I suggest looking it uup as I'd rather not describe it here ;)22:32
HazRPGdwatkins: I want to say I know what that means... but I honestly don't... I recognise the authorized_keys file because I've used that for setting up ssh keys on my server22:33
brobostigonhuge lag disconnected me. :(22:33
dwatkinsThe ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file contains  a list of public keys which the server recognises as being from your client systems.22:33
HazRPGdwatkins: no need to look it up... I already know, its a... disturbing topic lol22:34
HazRPGwhich is why I rather it when my gran says "rooh shataf" instead of "khud douche" which both mean the same thing22:35
HazRPG"go wash up"22:36
willy_1977oooo no I don't like the sound of either of those...22:36
dwatkinsLet's leave that conversation right there, shall we?22:37
dwatkinsI booted up my laptop for some reason, but I forgot it.22:37
willy_1977so... this authorized_keys file... :)22:37
dwatkinsyes, it's very handy, willy_197722:38
willy_1977would that store things like the GPG public keys? or am I barking up the wrong tree there?22:39
dwatkinsThe first part of my one-liner will generate you a set of keys with no passphrase, make sure you always lock your screen if you implement this.22:39
* HazRPG proceeds to read the link from earlier labelled "HTC are still incredible ..."22:39
willy_1977so I went through the setting up your dev system wiki yesterday and it got me generating gpg keys (hence why I'm asking...) actually I think I'll go n take a look :D22:40
dwatkinswilly_1977: GPG is a separate application to ssh, I believe they use the same security concepts of public vs private keys, but use them in different ways. You may be able to share keyss between them, but I don't know how that works.22:40
willy_1977yep, I actually missed .ssh in your original mention ;)22:41
dwatkinsah I see, it's the same story about Alice and Bob just in a different setting.22:41
willy_1977I think I'm kinda with you now...22:41
dwatkinsfor more details, see the Alice and Bob After Dinner Speech: http://downlode.org/Etext/alicebob.html22:42
dwatkins"...whenever a coding theorist wants to describe a transaction between two parties he doesn't call then A and B. No. For some longstanding traditional reason he calls them Alice and Bob."22:42
shaunohah, I like that: "A coding theorist is someone who doesn't think Alice is crazy."22:43
dwatkinsyea, it's awesome22:46
willy_1977yep alice and bob... me likey (I'm a slow reader obviously)22:49
willy_1977reet bed is calling, catch you around later nice to meet a few peeps.22:49
AlanBellhttp://xkcd.com/177/ for alice/bob/eve fans22:56
nigelbAlanBell: 'There is an XKCD for everything'23:01
brobostigonthank you for you help and guidence earlier, chaps and gals, :)23:05
HazRPGbrobostigon: no probs dude :)23:10
* brobostigon hugs everyone.23:10
* HazRPG hugs brobostigon23:11
brobostigongood night everyone23:24
shaunorandomly interesting; mc 1.4, players get their own spawnpoints (set by sleeping in a bed)23:24
directhexoh, i was gonna try that 256x256 tileset23:44
shaunohaven't messed with that too much.  most my crashes seem to be GL based already :/23:46

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