[00:00] <rick_h_> I've got no patience for it
[00:00] <rick_h_> :)
[00:01] <snap-l> No, I mean patience to let the damn repos populate
[00:01] <rick_h_> right, and I was taking your phrase and using it back at you
[00:01] <rick_h_> no patience for morons that don't have one button clicks for any single thing they might want to do with a computer
[11:30] <wolfger> morning
[11:36] <brousch> thank you for not including good
[11:42] <wolfger> I came very close to typing "mrnng"
[11:42] <wolfger> today isn't worth vowels
[11:51] <rick_h_> party, time to go drive the ice
[11:51] <rick_h_> wheeee
[11:53] <wolfger> you got ice?
[11:53] <wolfger> Just a driving misty rain here
[11:59] <tjagoda> No ice here
[11:59] <tjagoda> just really heavy slush
[12:03] <tjagoda> I want a tank
[12:03] <tjagoda> To drive to work
[12:03] <tjagoda> like a German King Tiger tank
[12:03] <tjagoda> that would be good
[12:03] <wolfger> Yes, that would do nicely
[12:04] <wolfger> traffic jam? Get out of your cars before I crush them!
[12:04] <wolfger> :-)
[12:04] <tjagoda> I would sell tickets to seats along the expressway
[12:04] <tjagoda> so people could watch me drive over all the other motorists.
[12:05] <tjagoda> "Pay for the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!"
[12:06] <tjagoda> I bet HR would complain about it though
[12:06] <tjagoda> "You can't drive a weapon to work"
[12:07] <wolfger> That's not a gun, it's an exhaust pipe,.
[12:07] <tjagoda> So are we still logged?
[12:08] <tjagoda> Because now I'm going to get fired when they google my name and see me talking about tanks and work
[12:08] <tjagoda> =p
[12:08] <wolfger> don't kid yourself
[12:08] <wolfger> you were going to get fired anyway.
[12:08] <wolfger> :-)
[12:09] <tjagoda> Point conceded
[12:09] <tjagoda> Mmm firefox 4
[12:09] <tjagoda> fast fast
[12:09] <wolfger> What, you just now got on that?
[12:09] <wolfger> geez
[12:09] <tjagoda> I got it yesterday
[12:09] <tjagoda> used the beta for a while until it borked
[12:09] <wolfger> You should be running Natty Alpha. You'd have had it for a while now
[12:10] <tjagoda> I had a right click menu which included every possible right click option
[12:10] <tjagoda> I had to page through it to find things
[12:10] <tjagoda> on this 22" monitor
[12:10] <tjagoda> Do not want unity
[12:10] <tjagoda> DO NOT WANT
[12:11] <tjagoda> Linux mint looks interesting though =P
[12:21] <wolfger> Don't want Unity? Fine. Don't use it. That's an option from the login screen, you know....
[12:21] <wolfger> Also, can load other WMs :-p
[12:22] <rick_h_> :)
[12:22] <rick_h_> come to the rick side
[12:22] <rick_h_> sudo apt-get install awesome
[12:22] <wolfger> LOL
[12:22] <tjagoda> I swapped into classic gnome mode
[12:22] <tjagoda> I still dont have my file menus
[12:22] <tjagoda>  /rage
[12:22] <snap-l> I <3 my iPhone
[12:22] <snap-l> Had a meeting get canceled around 2am
[12:23] <rick_h_> ?!
[12:23] <snap-l> so the thing went "bleep" and vibrated.
[12:23] <rick_h_> yay for waking me up at 2am
[12:23] <rick_h_> ?
[12:23] <tjagoda> In stuff like firefox, where they've removed/customized the menu bars for Unity, it still shows the same in Gnome classic mode
[12:23] <snap-l> Not really
[12:24] <snap-l> Got my whole sleep schedule off, so I was awake, and able to get into dream sleep about 40 minutes before the alarm went off
[12:24] <snap-l> needless to say, that was not ideal to get up
[12:24] <wolfger> tjagoda: you mean the whole "menu bar is moved to the top of the screen" thing? Yeah, that sucks
[12:25] <wolfger> Just go Kubuntu
[12:25] <wolfger> you can still install all your favorite apps
[12:26] <tjagoda> no
[12:26] <wolfger> or Xubuntu is probably a better fit for you
[12:26] <tjagoda> I like the menu bar at the top
[12:26] <wolfger> ...
[12:26] <tjagoda> In firefox, for unity, they removed file/edit/view
[12:26] <wolfger> so drag it up there
[12:26] <wolfger> lazy
[12:26] <tjagoda> when I switch into classic gnome
[12:26] <tjagoda> it still does not come back
[12:26] <tjagoda>  /rage
[12:26] <wolfger> It's not removed, it's moved
[12:27] <tjagoda> Are you using it in classic gnome mode?
[12:27] <tjagoda> I did this literally on Saturday with the daily build
[12:27] <wolfger> fun stuff, really. The menu bar moved to the top of the screen instead of the actual app window (lame!) and auto-hides (lamer!)
[12:28] <tjagoda> Are you using it in classic gnome mode?
[12:28] <wolfger> and possibly you need to file a bug report if it's broken in non-Unity Gnome
[12:28] <tjagoda> It might do that in unity
[12:28] <wolfger> I use Unity
[12:28] <tjagoda> but in non-unity it's all just gone
[12:28] <wolfger> bug, bug, bug report
[12:28] <wolfger> quickly, before they stop fixing things
[12:28] <wolfger> :-)
[12:28] <tjagoda> Didn't even know it was a bug
[12:29] <tjagoda> Assumed it was intentional
[12:29] <tjagoda> =p
[12:29] <wolfger> once it hits beta, you're screwed XD
[12:29] <wolfger> I'll try classic Gnome tonight and see if I can see your issue
[12:30] <tjagoda> I'll turn into rick
[12:30] <tjagoda> using crack window managers that nobody supports
[12:30] <tjagoda> =P
[12:32] <wolfger> sudo apt-get install xmonad
[12:32] <wolfger> or e17
[12:33] <wolfger> or awesome
[12:34]  * wolfger wonders if rick_h_ has his chat client notify him when the word "awesome" is typed....
[12:34] <jrwren> e17 is the bomb
[12:35] <wolfger> I need to give e17 on Natty a try
[12:35] <rick_h_> heh, no notice for that
[12:35] <rick_h_> but I'll look at adding it
[12:39] <brousch> well i put together a crackerjack CAD and 3D station for $1100. I feel good about that
[12:40] <rick_h_> cool
[12:42] <brousch> it's been so long since i bought something for someone else, i forgot to add on the windows license
[12:42] <wolfger> Heh
[12:46] <brousch> Gigabyte MB with SATA III and USB 3; Phenom II x4 840 3.2GHz CPU; 8GB Kingston DDR3 1333 RAM; OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD; Nvidia Quadro 600 1GB graphics card
[12:46] <brousch> oh, and 24" HD samsung lcd
[12:55] <brousch> a quad-core cpu running at 3.2ghz for $110 blows my mind
[13:06] <rick_h_> woot, verizone LTE rollout hitting more of MI: Flint, Mich., Grand Rapids, Mich., Lansing, Mich., Saginaw-Bay City, Mich.
[13:07] <rick_h_> the detroit rollout hit my house
[13:07] <rick_h_> so man I can't wait for an LTE phone/mifi
[13:07] <tjagoda> What speeds can you pull with LTE?
[13:07] <rick_h_> 20+M
[13:07] <rick_h_> with 2-3M up in my test at work
[13:08] <rick_h_> in other words, about the same as my 18M down, 1.5M up uverse
[13:11] <brousch> i suspect verizon will hop on att's new charge unauthorized tetherers campaign
[13:11] <rick_h_> that's fine, I'll pay for it
[13:11] <rick_h_> I wanted to when I signed up and couldn't because they didn't have the plan option
[13:11] <brousch> heh
[13:11] <rick_h_> they've added it now, but I've not gone and signed up since I don't use it a ton
[13:12] <rick_h_> but yea, an email arrival would have me on the site upgrading asap
[13:12] <rick_h_> especially after I hammered it at pycon for a week
[13:12] <rick_h_> doing 1gb uploads over night to snap-l
[13:12] <brousch> nice
[13:12] <snap-l> heh
[13:12] <rick_h_> though I do miss my att tethered speeds, noticably slower on verizon, but LTE will fix that
[13:14] <brousch> um, very nice guys (i'm upgrading from samba 3.0 to 3.5) "Please read this chapter carefully before update or upgrading Samba. You should expect to find only critical or very important information here. Comprehensive change notes and guidance information can be found in the section http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/upgrading-to-3.0.html.
[13:14] <brousch> Important Samba-3.2.x Change Notes
[13:14] <brousch> !!!!!!!!!!!!Add all critical update notes here!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[13:23] <jrwren> ?
[13:24] <snap-l> ie: published before they put in all of the critical update notes
[13:26] <brousch> yeah, but samba3.5 is in 10.04, so it's been sitting like that for a long time
[13:26] <brousch> maybe there weren't any critical update notes
[13:27] <jrwren> 3.5 eh?
[13:27] <jrwren> wow, i never noticed.
[13:28] <snap-l> Hm, I've never checked out cchits.net
[13:28] <jrwren> i do hate it when defaults for smb.conf global values change.
[13:28] <brousch> i actually have to do this in 2 steps. move everything off of my samba2 server to a server running samba 3.0, then from there onto a new samba 3.5 server
[13:28] <snap-l> interesting stuff.
[13:28] <jrwren> you have a samba2 server?
[13:28] <jrwren> how old is that?
[13:28] <jrwren> 1999?
[13:28] <brousch> ubuntu 6.06 baby
[13:28] <jrwren> wow. impressive
[13:29] <jrwren> i'm super surprised samba4 with AD compat has never come out.
[13:29] <jrwren> if you would have told me that 8 yrs ago that it wouldn't be out in 8 years, i would not have believed.
[13:29] <brousch> they've been working on samba4 forever
[13:29] <jrwren> i guess some things you just can't do open source.
[13:29] <brousch> still in alpha :(
[13:30] <brousch> 4.0alpha15
[13:30] <jrwren> samba4:server::e17:desktop
[13:30] <jrwren> :)
[13:36] <snap-l> Any interest in organizing a room party at Penguicon for the loco?
[13:49] <wolfger> snap-l: organizing, or attending? ;-)
[13:49] <snap-l> Any interest in organizing a room party at Penguicon for the  loco?
[13:49] <snap-l> as in making one happen. :)
[13:50] <wolfger> I'll make one happen by showing up at your room :)
[13:50] <wolfger> But it would have to be Friday night for me
[13:51] <wolfger> Or really, really early Sunday morning. :-D
[13:52] <wolfger> what do you need in the way of assitance in making it happen.
[13:52] <jrwren> lol, he iddn't ask for assistance, he said "someone go do this please"
[13:52] <jrwren> but its awesome how you volonteered him like that.
[13:53] <snap-l> Well, I'm figuring out the release party that is supposed to happen on the same weekend
[13:53] <snap-l> And room parties entail having the use of something called a "room"
[13:53] <snap-l> Which the Hotel will gladly rent to us
[13:56] <wolfger> except I believe the hotel is booked
[13:56] <wolfger> I do not think
[13:56] <wolfger> Allison would appreciate me using our room for this
[13:56] <wolfger> so....
[13:56] <snap-l> would or would not?
[13:57] <wolfger> That should have been one line
[13:57] <wolfger> "I do not think she would"
[13:57] <wolfger> i.e. "she would not"
[13:57] <snap-l> Yeah, that's what I thought
[13:57] <snap-l> JoDee would have my head as well
[13:57] <snap-l> and we're decidedly not in the party block
[13:57] <wolfger> I think the question boils down to: "anybody got a room they're willing to use for this?
[13:57] <snap-l> so unless someone has a room to donate to the cause, that would be a definite "no"
[13:58] <wolfger> yeah, we also get the quiet block, for Allison :-p
[13:58] <snap-l> we got the quiet block for both of us, because while I can sleep through hell, I'd rather not try. ;)
[13:59] <wolfger> I like to stay up and party, and her opinion is "fine... you can *walk* to your parties, I'd like to sleep"
[13:59] <wolfger> how inconvenient for me
[14:00] <wolfger> but she doesn't see it that way
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> I actually bothered to get a room at the hotel this year. No idea if it's a quiet one or not, I told them I preferred it, but if it was getting filled up, I didn't mind a "regular" one
[14:00] <rick_h_> oh, thanks snap-l
[14:00] <rick_h_> reminding me to do the reminder
[14:02] <rick_h_> ok, so this is kind of funny
[14:02] <snap-l> rick_h_: ?
[14:03] <rick_h_> boss sends email: "I've moved the url of site xxxx.com to blahblahblahlong.company.com"
[14:03] <rick_h_> reply email "Thank you, I assume you meant blahblahblahlong@company.com"
[14:03]  * snap-l checks to see if either of those urls resolve. ;)
[14:03] <rick_h_> so I read it first thing this morning and they matched
[14:03] <rick_h_> wtf, whatever
[14:04] <rick_h_> then boss caught it and replied "No, your address is an email address, I did not move the site to an email"
[14:04] <wolfger> :-)
[14:05] <snap-l> Isn't that like cloud computing?
[14:05] <rick_h_> I swear I read it three times and didn't notice the @
[14:05] <snap-l> I've moved our site to the email
[14:05] <rick_h_> just auto converted
[14:05] <snap-l> I'm telnetting to they keyboard
[14:05] <rick_h_> I mean, did he try to load up @company.com in his browser? "Hmm, the site appears to be down"
[14:05] <rick_h_> it just keeps launching outlook
[14:05] <snap-l> It sounds so mystical in my head
[14:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: It's the brain trying to make sense of the world.
[14:06] <snap-l> and your boss knows that you wouldn't want to move the site to the e-mail
[14:06] <snap-l> so he likely read it correctly
[14:06] <snap-l> and you read it correctly
[14:06] <rick_h_> lol
[14:07] <rick_h_> my brain "it can't possibly be this stupid, eyes...just alter that up a bit"
[14:07] <snap-l> and it was correct. Eventually, we shall all be moved to the e-mail
[14:07] <wolfger> I love the way the brain routes around stupid
[14:07] <snap-l> I shall now be forever known as craig@decafbad.net
[14:08] <wolfger> unfortunately, it also routes around "correct, but unexpected"
[14:08] <rick_h_> heh, we need an email api for bookie
[14:08] <snap-l> as long as I keep the domain registered.
[14:08] <rick_h_> recent@rick.bmark.us will reply with recent bookmarks
[14:08] <rick_h_> recent.page.2@rick.bmark.us
[14:08] <rick_h_> tags@, this is genius!
[14:08] <snap-l> I will hunt you down and kill you if you implement that.
[14:09] <rick_h_> lol
[14:09] <rick_h_> come on, auto replies to you, with links in the email
[14:09] <snap-l> you think implementing solr is hard? try munging e-mail addresses
[14:09] <rick_h_> search.amazon@
[14:09] <wolfger> snap-l: this channel is logged. That idea is in the wild. Somebody somewhere will implement it now
[14:10] <rick_h_> we could be the kind of bookmark services in the 3rd world
[14:10] <rick_h_> "to save this web page to your bookmarks, text xxxx"
[14:11] <rick_h_> operate entirely over text messages, email
[14:12] <wolfger> "You've reached Google. To search the web, text "1"; to search images, text "2"; to search....."
[14:13] <jrwren> pastebin?
[14:14] <rick_h_> paste.mitechie.com ?
[14:14] <snap-l> paste.ubuntu.com
[14:14] <wolfger> paste@mitechie.com
[14:14] <snap-l> i.eat.paste
[14:14] <rick_h_> lol
[14:14] <jrwren> ty
[14:14] <snap-l> I need to make a subdomain for that on my site
[14:15] <snap-l> a pastebin called ieatpaste.decafbad.net
[14:15] <jrwren> pastebin.com wanted me to enable cookies. pfff
[14:15] <rick_h_> meh, I think lodgeit will as well, at least if you do it alerts you to replies/etc
[14:27] <binbrain> need.... coffee....
[14:32] <rick_h_> yay, we got lococast feedback, and from randall scwartz
[14:32] <rick_h_> to complain about our pronounciation
[14:32] <rick_h_> lol
[14:32] <_stink_> haha
[14:33] <snap-l> seriously?
[14:33] <wolfger> :-)
[14:33] <rick_h_> yea, forwarded you the email snap-l
[14:33] <rick_h_> and a quick google pulled up: http://danielmiessler.com/blog/how-to-pronounce-os-x-proof-from-apple
[14:34] <rick_h_> awesome
[14:35] <snap-l> Please stop saying "snap EL", it's clearly pronounced "Your grace"
[14:35] <rick_h_> lol
[14:36] <snap-l> I'll start saying H T T P colon backslash
[14:37] <snap-l> That's my nails-on-chalkboard
[14:38] <snap-l> I think we should lead off the show with that e-mail. ;)
[14:38] <snap-l> though I fear it'll get bitchy way too quickly.
[14:40] <rick_h_> ok, bcc'd you on the reply
[14:40] <rick_h_> naw, that's ok. hey, it's feedback and that's cool. Never really thought about it
[14:40] <rick_h_> I know I hear oh-ess-ex a lot, now I'll have to pay attention where I hear which ones
[14:40] <rick_h_> but still, means he's listened to a show or two
[14:41] <snap-l> I'm trying to remember when we've said osx
[14:41] <snap-l> Mac Oh-Sex
[14:41] <snap-l> Mac-OS-X
[14:42] <snap-l> I could have way too much fun with this
[14:42] <rick_h_> heh, calm down
[14:42] <snap-l> DOS, Dose
[14:43] <rick_h_> ugh, had the password vs ssh-key debate with a guy
[14:43] <rick_h_> doesn't help when he doesn't know/understand how to use ssh-keys
[14:43] <snap-l> ssh keys seem realy complicated until you understand the beauty of them
[14:43] <snap-l> then they become your preferred method
[14:43] <rick_h_> yea, he's all "well one attach and suddenly they can access my whole network"
[14:44] <snap-l> which is why you use a pass-phrase
[14:44] <rick_h_> right
[14:44] <snap-l> and you don't use screen at a level where it matters.
[14:44] <snap-l> ie: screen after you've authed,not before
[14:44] <_stink_> wait, i don't understand what that means
[14:44] <snap-l> which is just bad practice anyway
[14:44] <_stink_> his quote
[14:45] <snap-l> _stink_: which, keys, or screen?
[14:45] <jrwren> hey... i want to hear about the pronounciation... pastebin that email
[14:45] <_stink_> "well one attach and suddenly they can access my whole network"
[14:45] <snap-l> jrwren: Basically, he was correcting our O S X pronounciation as "OS Ten"
[14:46] <jrwren> if you odn't understand SSH keys, then you don't understand SSL
[14:46] <jrwren> its a damn shame client side SSL Certs were never used more widely, more people would understand.
[14:46] <snap-l> _stink_: I read it that if you have screen running locally on your machine, someone could attach to that running procees and acccess the network via your auth
[14:46] <snap-l> _stink_: Which is not a best practice by any stretch
[14:47] <jrwren> only if you leave ssh sessions open. don't leave 'em open in scren.
[14:47] <_stink_> ohhh
[14:47] <_stink_> i see.
[14:47] <jrwren> i know you do.
[14:47] <jrwren> bash his head in until he does ;P
[14:47] <_stink_> physical security always trumps anyway.
[14:47] <jrwren> of course.
[14:47] <_stink_> don't let people sit down at an unlocked machine. :)
[14:48] <jrwren> but its a lot easier to call local police for breaking and entering.
[14:48] <snap-l> And don't leave sensitive screen sessions open on an unlocked machine
[14:48] <_stink_> for sure.
[14:48] <_stink_> or just use a really obscure window manager and switch to a different display group!
[14:48] <snap-l> And if you use a passphrase, you get the security of both passwords and ssh keys.
[14:49] <snap-l> _stink_: Security by obscurity is never good. ;)
[14:49] <_stink_> snap-l: it's "something you know" :P
[14:49] <_stink_> my prefix key
[14:49] <_stink_> a one key password.
[14:50] <snap-l> xterm and a vi of your config, and I'm in. ;)
[14:50] <_stink_> do'h
[14:50] <_stink_> i guess i shouldn't go to the bathroom at work
[14:50]  * _stink_ buys diapers
[14:50] <jrwren> i lock my windows desktop mostly because of my ssh agent running, not much because of hte desktop itself.
[14:51] <jrwren> what are you talking about "one key password" and "xterm and vi of config" what does that mean?
[14:51] <_stink_> jrwren: i was joking that i 'lock' my machine by switching to a blank group in my tiling wm.
[14:51] <_stink_> and no key will do anything until you find the prefix key.
[14:52] <jrwren> lol.
[14:52] <jrwren> i get it now.
[14:52] <rick_h_> _stink_: ++ I joke that's why I use awesome WM, no menus to click on
[14:52] <_stink_> tiling wms: confound the criminals and hackers!
[14:53] <wolfger> Yeah, using xmonad and switching to a blank workspace would utterly confound anybody who doesn't know tiling wm's
[14:54] <wolfger> Heh. I filed a bug that xmonad wasn't working after I installed it, because I couldn't do anything and had to kill X to get out of it.
[14:54] <wolfger> then I read the manual....
[14:54] <_stink_> hehehe
[14:55] <rick_h_> lmao, awesome
[14:56] <wolfger> well, I had a bookmark for an xmonad walk-through
[14:56] <binbrain> anyone finds a tiling wm that doesn't have the aesthetic of twm, I'm all game
[14:57] <wolfger> My idea was, install xmonad, fire up Firefox, and do the walkthrough
[14:57] <wolfger> couldn't figure out how to fire up Firefox, or anything else.
[14:57] <rick_h_> what's the "aesthetic of twm"?
[14:57] <rick_h_> wolfger: actually, been there
[14:57] <rick_h_> didn't get so far as filing a bug though
[14:57] <wolfger> LOL
[14:57] <snap-l> rick_h_: Have you use twm?
[14:57] <wolfger> well, I *am* on Natty...
[14:57] <wolfger> so I assumed it was a bug
[14:58] <snap-l> It was the window manager that was the prevursor of fvwm
[14:58] <rick_h_> oh, no. I thought twm was short for tiling window manager as a group
[14:58] <binbrain> ahh, good guess, but no
[14:58] <rick_h_> so thought he was saying "if there was a tiling WM without being ugly, etc I'd use it"
[14:58] <binbrain> bingo
[14:59] <snap-l> http://xwinman.org/screenshots/twm-keppler.gif
[14:59] <rick_h_> but that's the thing, what's there to be ugly when you don't see anything but your apps?
[14:59] <snap-l> twm in it's glory
[14:59] <rick_h_> hah, nice
[14:59] <rick_h_> well, pick a terminal that does pretty TTF and you're golden
[14:59] <snap-l> http://linuxnetmag.berlios.de/share/screenshot_twm.gif
[15:00] <rick_h_> ugh, wtf is with that top bar
[15:00] <snap-l> It was hugely customizable, but it started off with some pretty god-awful defaults.
[15:00] <rick_h_> booo
[15:00] <snap-l> That's called a minimize bar. ;)
[15:00] <rick_h_> and no chrome allowed on windows/apps
[15:00] <rick_h_> you don't drag them aroudn, that's not tiling
[15:00] <wolfger> purist
[15:01] <rick_h_> <4
[15:01] <rick_h_> heh, <3
[15:02] <binbrain> I think I'm going to learn swig today
[15:02] <rick_h_> http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome2.png
[15:02] <rick_h_> what's not to love
[15:04] <_stink_> i think <4 should be a new mem
[15:04] <_stink_> meme
[15:04] <_stink_> for extra love
[15:04] <snap-l> I think it already is
[15:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: What's not to love... Um....
[15:05] <_stink_> damn, thought i came up with a meme.
[15:05] <rick_h_> _stink_: that's ok, works for me
[15:05] <snap-l> http://eclim.org/_images/screenshots/vim/gnu_screen_shell.png <- It looks a lot like this?
[15:05] <rick_h_> holy crap, what's with the bookie new peeps
[15:05] <rick_h_> snap-l: naw, I'm using gvim :P
[15:05] <snap-l> You must've been mentioned somewhere
[15:06] <rick_h_> and tabs
[15:06] <rick_h_> (in my terminal that is)
[15:06] <snap-l> http://www.lartmaker.nl/gallery/vt220.jpg < Which feels a lot like this?
[15:06] <rick_h_> lol
[15:06] <rick_h_> saw the potential to head there
[15:07] <_stink_> haha
[15:07] <brousch> damn you guys are gabby today
[15:07] <snap-l> I blame the weather
[15:07] <rick_h_> yea, I'm waiting on an email reply
[15:08] <rick_h_> and I busted butt yesterday so less motivated today since I got 99% of the stuff done for today
[15:09] <rick_h_> here snap-l, this isn't my current space, but should feel a bit less like your last example photo: http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome.png
[15:10] <snap-l> _much_ better
[15:10] <snap-l> now it's a sea of grey and black instead of a sea of grey.
[15:10] <snap-l> http://dependentongadgets.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/amstrad_cpc464.jpg
[15:11] <rick_h_> http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome3.png
[15:11] <snap-l> I think that keyboard might have clicky keys.
[15:11] <_stink_> gahaha
[15:11] <rick_h_> for a bit more modern taste
[15:11] <rick_h_> ooh, clicky
[15:11] <rick_h_> actually moved to using that happy hacker today
[15:12] <rick_h_> I keep liking it when I use it, if only the clicky version was $300
[15:12] <snap-l> http://paulq.org/c64/C128.jpg <- Now you're a bit more modern
[15:12] <rick_h_> oh, external drive
[15:12] <rick_h_> more power!
[15:12] <_stink_> that a 128?
[15:12] <_stink_> oh, VIC
[15:12] <snap-l> No, C128
[15:12] <_stink_> ah, ok
[15:12] <_stink_> man
[15:13] <snap-l> I give rick_h_ some credit. He at least uses 80 col
[15:13] <_stink_> i'm still sad we gave away our C64.
[15:13] <snap-l> http://www.vintagecomputing.com/wp-content/images/interviews/bushnell/atari800_large.jpg <- this is more my speed.
[15:13] <rick_h_> well, today's screenshot, the first one is not my code so it's not 80 yet
[15:13] <_stink_> not like there are a billion of them out there.
[15:13] <snap-l> _stink_: I can get you one cheap
[15:13] <rick_h_> not done cleaning it up
[15:13] <_stink_> snap-l: what's cheap?
[15:13] <snap-l> I know people who have (or had) several
[15:14] <snap-l> Let me do some asking
[15:14] <_stink_> snap-l: <4
[15:14] <snap-l> If it's just the unit you want, that's easy
[15:14] <snap-l> drives and software are a little harder to come by.
[15:14] <rick_h_> we need widox invovled, he's the example of 'modern tiling WM user'
[15:14] <_stink_> yeah, i think it'd still be worth it.
[15:14] <rick_h_> since he runs it inside gnome
[15:15] <greg-g> oh hey! I'm in your screenshot (of tweetdeck)
[15:15]  * greg-g is barely keeping up from clicking all those links ;)
[15:15] <rick_h_> lol
[15:16] <snap-l> Yeah, I suck. ;)
[15:18] <jrwren> I prefer my 800XL
[15:18] <snap-l> http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html
[15:18] <jrwren> the basic on atari 800XL was just so sexy.
[15:18] <snap-l> jrwren: Atari4Life
[15:19] <jrwren> well, yes and no.
[15:19] <jrwren> I think I'm not interested in anything that doesn't have a tcp/ip stack and ethernet of some sort.
[15:19] <snap-l> Not a fan of the Atari ST, I take it?
[15:20] <jrwren> I had and still have an Amiga1000
[15:20] <snap-l> jrwren: You haven't been keeping up. ;)
[15:20] <jrwren> oh, i know there are hacks, but its not interesting to me.
[15:20] <snap-l> http://www.kl.net/atari/
[15:21] <snap-l> I still miss the Atari computer
[15:21] <jrwren> why?
[15:22] <jrwren> I don't.
[15:22] <jrwren> i like where we are going.
[15:22] <snap-l> It was a nice computer
[15:22] <snap-l> Oh, don't get me wrong
[15:22] <snap-l> I love the fact that I'm using a computer that is based on UNIX
[15:22] <jrwren> I miss the fun and feeling of computing back then.
[15:22] <jrwren> but I think that is because I was young and it was young.
[15:22] <snap-l> ++
[15:22] <jrwren> it was definitely a special time
[15:22] <snap-l> I miss the feeling of discovery
[15:22] <snap-l> now it just feels like work
[15:22] <jrwren> right.
[15:23] <jrwren> I think that is age.
[15:23] <snap-l> I can't just draw a circle on the screen, now I have to make it 3D
[15:23] <jrwren> although I do get passionate about discovering things these days, its just not the same.
[15:23] <jrwren> Sphere(0,0,0) :)
[15:23] <snap-l> gr.8
[15:24] <jrwren> when I was learning WPF, one of the first things I did was try to write my old standby atari line drawing routine.
[15:24] <jrwren> I did it, and I learned a lot, but it was a bitch and performed for shit.
[15:24] <jrwren> the atari was actually faster, lol
[15:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: did you watch the superboard pycon talk?
[15:24] <rick_h_> you'd love it I think
[15:24] <jrwren> i mean, its comparing apples to donuts, but still
[15:24] <jrwren> superboard?
[15:25] <rick_h_> yea
[15:25] <jrwren> i'll look it up
[15:25] <rick_h_> http://pycon.tv/#/video/90
[15:25] <greg-g> mmm, apples and donuts
[15:25] <jrwren> http://dabeaz.blogspot.com/2011/03/superboard-takes-pycon.html ?
[15:26] <jrwren> greg-g: you have to wait until late August to get the good ones :)
[15:26] <rick_h_> yea
[15:26] <rick_h_> jrwren: that's the one
[15:26] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, out of season and all. Oranges are starting (heck, have been for a while) to suck.
[15:27] <jrwren> ah... reading the beginning of that superboard post is cool.. i respect that stuff, but its really not my thing.
[15:27] <rick_h_> wife says it's strawberry time? mmmm strawberry and cream
[15:27] <jrwren> retro style computing for hobbyists is interesting, but I enjoy the more practicle applications of modern computing.
[15:27] <jrwren> its damned early for MI strawberries.
[15:28] <jrwren> but if you pay top dollar you can get some hoop house strawberries :)
[15:28] <snap-l> I actually bought a copy of Steve Jackson's OGRE for the Atari ST so I could play it
[15:28] <snap-l> they don't make games like that anymore
[15:29] <snap-l> packaging and such
[15:29] <snap-l> Comes with a manual explaining how the AI does it's thing
[15:29] <snap-l> and a radiation badge
[15:29] <jrwren> which is the superboard pycon video?
[15:30] <rick_h_> the link above, video/90
[15:30] <snap-l> http://blip.tv/file/4878868
[15:30] <jrwren> that is just showing me all of videos
[15:30] <jrwren> ty snap-l
[15:30] <snap-l> thank Miro. ;)
[15:31] <rick_h_> the pycon.tv link is nice because search works vs the blip site which fails at search
[15:31] <jrwren> weirdwhy does this superboard sound so familiar?
[15:31] <jrwren> maybe people were talking about it at codemash?
[15:32] <jrwren> I know I read about it some a while back.
[15:32] <rick_h_> not sure
[15:32] <snap-l> jrwren: I think so
[15:33] <snap-l> I have one of the newer Ohio Scientific computers as one of my backgrounds
[15:37] <jrwren> remember when we refered to things as "peripherals" ?
[15:38] <jrwren> now we dont' call components that.
[15:38] <snap-l> Now we just call them by their name: USB Humping dog
[15:39] <jrwren> how did he get the superboard outputting to an LCD?
[15:39] <jrwren> must be a VGA LCD?
[15:39] <snap-l> Might be an old TV as well
[15:39] <jrwren> even still, you'd have to break out the RGB from teh composite video to go to VGA
[15:39] <jrwren> oh, could be an old LCD TV with composite video, good call.
[15:39] <snap-l> It may have an RF adapter.
[15:40] <jrwren> usually it was composite out and then to RF adapter
[15:40] <snap-l> right
[15:41] <jrwren> oh, but I see what you mean, if it is a TV that isn't digital only
[15:41] <jrwren> oh! beautiful amiga monitor.
[15:41] <jrwren> i have that monitor
[15:41] <jrwren> his slide at 4:44
[15:41] <snap-l> Yeah, I still have a goldstar 13" monitor  that I used for my Atari
[15:42] <jrwren> they were great displays
[15:42] <snap-l> that was our TV when we first got married.
[15:42] <jrwren> very good dotpitch for the time.
[15:44] <snap-l> 11:00 is awesome as hell
[15:51] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LqUCxF9-HLuWzKGGLPmpkqv_CiZ9cbYle6H_BpP-gDo?feat=directlink
[15:51] <snap-l> My old computer
[15:51] <jrwren> i don't see a computer.
[15:52] <snap-l> It's in there somewhere
[15:52] <jrwren> i see a woman, part of a keyboard, a monitor, and a palm.
[15:52] <snap-l> That's after we moved
[15:52] <jrwren> oh, htere it is on the floor
[15:52] <snap-l> Priorities. ;)
[15:55] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/y4JbxuujDTqzQalGEBh3wKv_CiZ9cbYle6H_BpP-gDo?feat=directlink <- Entertainment center. ;)
[15:56] <jrwren> snap-l: rofl.
[15:56] <jrwren> snap-l: mine currently is not very different than that.
[15:56] <jrwren> i have an ikea cabinet with doors to hide the reciever, xbox1, and VCR, but on top of it sits a 13" CRT
[15:57] <snap-l> Yeah, same here. Changed the DVD player, added some speaker stands, added a 32" LCD TV, and lost the VCR.
[15:57] <jrwren> the VCR only exists to do composite to RF conversion from the xbox to the 13" TV
[15:59] <snap-l> jrwren: I did that initially for the DVD player, but the stupid macrovision crap made it impossible to play a DVD video through the VCR
[15:59] <jrwren> ugh, lame.
[16:02] <snap-l> This presentation is 10 ways of awesome.
[16:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: the superboard talk?
[16:04] <snap-l> Yeah, I hadn't watched it yet.
[16:04] <rick_h_> it's one of those "have to watch just for fun" talks
[16:04] <rick_h_> it was all the rage at pycon
[16:04] <rick_h_> I still need to watch a few myself, zed shaw's is next on my list
[16:08] <jrwren> zed was at pycon?
[16:09] <rick_h_> yea
[16:09] <rick_h_> he gave a talk on 0mq
[16:12] <wolfger> jrwren, snap-l: we now refer to "peripherals" as "usb devices". Because that's what almost everything is now.
[16:12] <rick_h_> accessories
[16:13] <wolfger> no more "15 different ports for 12 different things"
[16:38] <rick_h_> DBO: hey howdy
[16:48] <krondor> So doing PHP on n
[16:48] <krondor> Woops wrong window
[16:49] <rick_h_> on n?
[16:49] <rick_h_> heh
[16:49] <snap-l> He means the http://www.ncomputing.com/
[16:49] <snap-l> Office in a box solution
[16:52] <greg-g> thin clients?
[16:52] <DBO> howdy rick_h_ :)
[16:53] <rick_h_> DBO: you get the email on the google doc?
[16:53] <rick_h_> just wanted to make sure before thurs
[16:53] <DBO> yeah going to fill it out after tonights release :)
[16:54] <DBO> just for my own reference
[16:54] <rick_h_> k, cool
[16:54] <rick_h_> yea, most people do
[16:54] <rick_h_> but not required by any means
[16:54] <DBO> how many people are going to hear this?
[16:55] <rick_h_> well, bout 200+ rss feed subscribers, about 1k downloads of all material past month
[16:55] <rick_h_> so not a ton, but hopefully this will come out good and we can plug it a lot as some good required listening with natty coming
[16:56] <DBO> awesome
[16:56] <DBO> mostly just curious, Im not super used to talking about unity without a keyboard to filter it, so I'll do my best
[16:56] <rick_h_> yea, well we record/edit
[16:57] <rick_h_> so if anything doens't come out right as you speak just let us know and we'll tweak it
[16:57] <rick_h_> but sometimes lack of filter is good :)
[16:57] <DBO> :)
[17:31] <ColonelPanic001> I do not like this Rick's Rant about part time developers
[17:32] <_stink_> hah
[17:32] <ColonelPanic001> It reminds me that I have to cut that out. I've been sliding to that
[17:32] <_stink_> YEAH
[17:32] <ColonelPanic001> stfu, you.
[17:32] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[17:33] <_stink_> i haven't heard it yet.
[17:34] <ColonelPanic001> ep. 4
[17:36] <ColonelPanic001> although to be fair, since this new job, everything I do is stuff I'd never touched before. Ruby, mobile dev, etc
[17:37] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't written a line of Perl in ages, and that's my 'native language'
[17:37] <widox> rick_h_: modern wm user?
[17:37] <rick_h_> using WM inside of gnome
[17:38] <widox> nah, I run awesome proper
[17:38] <rick_h_> oh do you? I thought you ran it in gnome
[17:38] <widox> I use some gnome bits
[17:38] <widox> nm, battery stuff
[17:43] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: I felt the same way when I heard that rant
[17:44] <wolfger> except my reaction was less "stfu, you" and more "I need to get out to some meetings again"
[17:45] <wolfger> ...and while more eyes are on the screen than last night... Anybody care to confirm my Gwibber bug on Natty?
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> heh, no, the "stfu" was for _stink_ ;)
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> but yeah, that too.
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> the meetings thing too, I mena
[17:47] <ColonelPanic001> I use gwibber, but I'm on Maverick
[17:47] <_stink_> i accept the stfu
[17:47] <ColonelPanic001> _stink_: by saying so, you didn't.
[17:47] <_stink_> i can't win
[17:48] <ColonelPanic001> what's sad is that I've done that exact rant before, without the nicer name
[17:49] <ColonelPanic001> people that just learn what's in a basic "learn in 24 hours" book and are fine there. Never even just glance at a mailing list or an rss feed
[17:51] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: Maybe you can verify it for Mav, too... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/740486
[17:51] <ColonelPanic001> I'll give it a shot.
[17:51] <wolfger> I normally avoid Gwibber like the plague it is, but I figure I'll be a good Alpha user and try things out, report bugs
[17:53] <ColonelPanic001> trying it now. Removed both accounts, added identica account
[17:53] <ColonelPanic001> it's still showing the twirly refresh thing
[17:55] <ColonelPanic001> works fine for me
[17:55] <ColonelPanic001> removed both, added identica, loaded it fine
[17:57] <greg-g> yeah, not sure how I would test that without a fresh vm
[18:00] <snap-l> new file cabinets are... big
[18:00] <snap-l> Forgot to check letter sized vs. legal sized
[18:01] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[18:09] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: though, what you just did is a good data point, a comment might be worthwhile
[18:11] <ColonelPanic001> will-do
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> done
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> well, I've now given back to the FOSS community. I'm done.
[18:13] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001++
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001>  /part
[18:14] <greg-g>  /kick
[18:14] <ColonelPanic001> ;)
[18:14] <greg-g> :P
[18:18] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: OpenMetalCast is an awesome idea, thanks for doing it
[18:23] <wolfger> somebody must die
[18:24] <wolfger> I just tried to view a log file in vim. A rather large log file.
[18:24]  * ColonelPanic001 prepares a list of suggestions
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[18:24] <wolfger> ctrl-f didn't work
[18:24] <wolfger> shift-g didn't work
[18:24] <wolfger> k didn't work
[18:24] <wolfger> l and h worked....
[18:24] <wolfger> I'm like, "wtf?"
[18:24] <wolfger> The entire log file is *ONE LINE*
[18:25] <wolfger> half a meg of text on a single line
[18:25] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[18:26] <wolfger> help me, vim guru rick_h_; Is there any sane way to handle this? ;-)
[18:27] <rick_h_> hah
[18:27] <rick_h_> yea, so vim commands ootb treat a wrapped line as one line
[18:27] <rick_h_> if you want to support 'fake' lines that are wrapped you need a tweak
[18:27] <rick_h_> sec, let me get my .vimrc up
[18:28] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L278
[18:28] <rick_h_> wolfger: ^^
[18:28] <rick_h_> so you can either map those
[18:28] <rick_h_> or what they're doing is using g* to move wrapped lines
[18:29] <rick_h_> so j/k move one real line, gj/gk will move a wrapped line
[18:29] <wolfger> ok, cool. Thanks!
[18:31] <greg-g> without even missing a beat, rick_h_ swoops in with the solution and a link to code
[18:31] <rick_h_> hey, hit me on a good day in a good subject and I can be useful, I promise :)
[18:32] <greg-g> :)
[18:32] <wolfger> reminds me of http://xkcd.com/208/
[18:33] <ColonelPanic001> YES
[18:34] <_stink_> http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/
[18:34] <_stink_> nice
[18:39] <ColonelPanic001> amusing that newspapers use a web comic as a scientific source
[18:39] <rick_h_> yea, but you have to give credit, it's backed by a real scientist and he did a great job with that
[18:40] <_stink_> for sure
[18:40] <_stink_> i think it's more a comment on newspapers :P
[18:40] <_stink_> it's an awesome chart.
[18:40] <_stink_> it should be posted everywhere
[18:43] <ColonelPanic001> it is - I meant amusing as in "my god, newspapers are uninformed"
[18:46] <snap-l> Considering that folks hear "nuclear" and immediately think of three-mile-island and chernobyl, I think it's warranted
[18:46] <snap-l> since it shows what happens
[18:47] <DBO> rick_h_, you go to reddit much?
[18:47] <rick_h_> DBO: yea
[18:47] <rick_h_> well, follow a few of the subs in rss
[18:48]  * ColonelPanic001 reddits.
[18:48] <DBO> i was thinking I could post a thing to r/Ubuntu basically asking them for questions we could answer after the interview portion
[18:48] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[18:48] <DBO> field a couple community questions, and drive you guys an additional audience
[18:48] <rick_h_> yea, we've posted stuff after we've got it up, but not done pre before
[18:49] <DBO> pre is the way to go
[18:49] <DBO> its like crack to redditors
[18:49] <rick_h_> yea, I'm cranking at work right now, but at CHC tonight we'll put out a blog post and twitter/reddit it
[18:49] <snap-l> Hey, that would be great!
[18:49] <DBO> I did an AMA on there for unity dev
[18:49] <rick_h_> snap-l: don't let me forget to do a request for questions then tonight on the lococast blog
[18:49] <DBO> it went nuts
[18:50] <rick_h_> k, back to orm/sql fun
[18:50] <DBO> when you post to reddit, do a self post, it is seen as less "karma whorish"
[18:50] <rick_h_> k
[18:52] <brousch> question #1 WHY DO YOU HATE GNOME?
[18:52] <brousch> you must yell when you ask
[18:53] <snap-l> brousch: Man, don't take my question
[18:54] <snap-l> Question #2: Why do you hate freedom and apple pie?
[18:54] <snap-l> Question #3: When did you stop loving RMS?
[19:00] <brousch> on a scale of 1 to 1000 − 1 being hitler and 1000 being a crotch-kick from chuck norris - how awesome is unity?
[19:00] <snap-l> somewhere between warm strawberry jello and liver and onions.
[19:01] <brousch> hm, both of those sound pretty good to me
[19:01] <brousch> i'm sold!
[19:17] <_stink_> hey, i like liver and onions.
[19:36] <ColonelPanic001> I liked liver and onions, before I gave up red meat
[19:36] <ColonelPanic001> I don't get people's revulsion to it
[19:37] <snap-l> I used to like it
[19:37] <snap-l> then I had it once, and it make me sick as hell
[19:37] <snap-l> and now I can't stand being in the same room with it
[19:37]  * brousch knows what he's bringing to the bug jam
[19:44] <_stink_> mmm
[19:45] <snap-l> brousch: Only if you want a repeat of that episode
[19:45] <snap-l> trust me, the only highlight was playing laser blast and getting the highest score I've ever gotten on that game
[19:45] <brousch> it could be amusing
[19:46] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrxov-2-S6k
[20:05] <snap-l> Tracfone sucks
[20:05] <rick_h_> oh hell yea
[20:05] <snap-l> Managed to give someone 180 minutes because I put in the wrong phone number
[20:06] <snap-l> so, bully for them
[20:06] <snap-l> That's two mistakes I've made. ;)
[20:09] <rick_h_> old: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/E1LcvMRHbsul9yDPtMjN/
[20:10] <rick_h_> new: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/NhB4Mu61BEqCbodFzDZF/
[20:10] <rick_h_> <3 python
[20:10] <snap-l> God that first one is the stuff of nightmares
[20:11] <rick_h_> yea, welcome to my world
[20:11] <rick_h_> changes today caused this fragile to blow up in spades
[20:11] <rick_h_> that's just the counter part
[20:14] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/zWIgtWfyIneaKxAmZkce/
[20:15] <rick_h_> even better
[20:17] <Blazeix> wow, that first link makes me unreasonably angry.
[20:19] <rick_h_> yea, you can see why it's come up for removall
[20:20] <rick_h_> worst is that all that was in a function call, with another loop like that to generate another count, sql query results, etc
[20:23] <greg-g> where was that quote from someone who said "Sony, don't mess with people who put linux on their playstations. You just can't win." (paraphrased badly)
[20:27] <krondor> That was from the last chaos convention
[20:30] <snap-l> Anyone interested in doing a panel discussion for Natty at Penguicon?
[21:25] <snap-l> Some days it's not worth chewing out of the straps
[22:35] <rick_h_> Blazeix: so showed my boss the default dict trick/cleanup
[22:36] <rick_h_> "Now *THAT's* what I call a trick! Though I would say my original version is more "understandable"."
[22:36] <rick_h_> ugh
[22:36] <snap-l> bull fucking shit
[22:36] <snap-l> bull fucking shit
[22:37] <rick_h_> lol
[22:37] <snap-l> His was liable to be wrong at  some point and just fall through
[22:37] <rick_h_> that's what I said, as you add more types, mine handles it without code changes
[22:38] <rick_h_> his needs new rows for every single type
[22:38] <snap-l> exactly
[22:38] <rick_h_> but whatever, at least the first part came across that it was "a good trick"
[22:43] <Blazeix> I do agree that the second link is probably what I would choose when working on a group project
[22:43] <Blazeix> the third link is elegant, but I've seen people really freak out as soon as they lambdas enter the mix.
[22:51] <gamerchick02> Would anyone in Michigan be interested in an Ubuntu Hour in Saginaw in late April or early May?
[22:52] <gamerchick02> i'd really like to do one, but i don't know if there's anyone around here that'd help. or something.
[22:53] <gamerchick02> i don't think i have the chops to deal with that one person who'll come up and ask a bunch of uber technical questions.
[22:56] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, but once you see it you can understand it and see how deep it goes right away
[22:56] <rick_h_> the example I sent him was from a different section of code that was 5 dicts deep
[22:57] <rick_h_> so you'd have to add 5 levels if If xxx in dict: else dict[xxx] = defaultdict
[22:57] <rick_h_> now we can debate onthe 5 levels deep anyway, but it's the way it is for now
[23:01] <rick_h_> but anyway, lamdas throw me sometimes as well. I actually got that part from a online post
[23:02] <rick_h_> the second was where my brain stopped
[23:03] <Blazeix> yeah, the lambdas there are more of a hack because the inner defaultdict in defaultdict(defaultdict(int)) would be an object
[23:04] <rick_h_> right
[23:04] <rick_h_> interesting fun