[02:04] <cyberanger> wrst: btw, I'm glad your considering heading further into CLI
[04:16] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[04:24] <cyberanger> hey
[13:05] <Xpistos> morning everybody
[13:05] <Xpistos> wrst
[13:05] <Xpistos> baby wrst
[13:05] <wrst> hey Xpistos
[13:05] <wrst> how are you doing?
[13:06] <Xpistos> Tired. Late nights
[13:06] <Xpistos> early mornings
[13:26] <wrst> yes that i know :)
[13:32] <wrst> oh Xpistos i'm trying out Linux Mint DE
[13:33] <Xpistos> how do you like it
[13:33] <wrst> its pretty good, i'm updating still
[13:33] <wrst> since the disk was spun in DEC
[13:47] <cyberanger> wrst: if you like that, you should really try CB
[13:47] <wrst> CB?
[13:47] <wrst> cyberanger: ^
[13:48] <cyberanger> CrunchBang
[13:51] <wrst> ohh
[13:52] <wrst> i have thought about it
[13:52] <wrst> i think the next distro i will try will be debian cut when there are some releases of it
[14:00] <chris4585> wrst, have you tried sidux?
[14:01] <wrst> i did at one time but been a while chris4585
[14:01] <wrst> i was hoping that Mint DE would have my broadcom wireless easy to get going but that was not the case so i will have to mess with that some it appears
[14:01] <chris4585> I haven't heard much from them in a while, although I'm a little out of the loop
[14:10] <wrst> me either
[14:33] <netritious> good morning locotn
[14:44] <wrst> morning netritious hows it going out west?
[14:45] <netritious> going well...supposed to get some rain today but it *is* spring after all
[14:45] <netritious> how about yourself wrst?
[14:46] <wrst> pretty good netritious just getting some work done
[15:55] <wrst> hello pace_t_zulu
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> sup wrst
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> how's it going
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[15:55] <wrst> its going well pace_t_zulu how about with you?
[15:55] <pace_t_zulu> i see netritious is stepping down... haven't had a chance to really respond to that... i can't really do the hosting... but i can help with the management and programming for sure
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> it's going well here too wrst, ty
[15:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: how far along is you wife?
[15:57] <wrst> she has delivered pace_t_zulu, one week old baby girl
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> congratulations to you both wrst!
[15:58] <pace_t_zulu> what's her name?
[15:58] <pace_t_zulu> you can pm me that if you want
[15:58] <wrst> Brianna Kate pace_t_zulu
[15:59] <pace_t_zulu> lovely name wrst
[15:59] <wrst> there is nothing secret in the world any way pace_t_zulu :)
[15:59] <wrst> thanks
[15:59] <wrst> pace_t_zulu:
[16:02] <netritious> how's it going pace_t_zulu
[16:02] <netritious> hosting is taken care of... Svpernova09 has it covered
[16:03] <pace_t_zulu> hey netritious sorry to hear you're stepping down... no worries though
[16:03] <pace_t_zulu> netritious: i can help with the programming side of things
[16:03] <netritious> it's already been moved, just waiting for cyberanger (or someone with domain control access) to update the name server entries
[16:03] <netritious> pace_t_zulu: just not enough time in the day :/
[16:03] <pace_t_zulu> i hear ya netritious
[16:04] <netritious> this past sun realized I had completely forgotten to organize the meetup for this past sat, and subsequently realized I just didn't have time anymore
[16:05] <netritious> and since W TN had two POC I figured it would be covered
[16:14] <Svpernova09> DNS is already updated for me, but that could just be your A records since I was poking at it.
[16:17] <netritious> Svpernova09: the NS entries have been updated?
[16:17] <Svpernova09> hmm, whois still shows old dns.
[16:17] <Svpernova09> Negative
[16:17] <Svpernova09> not according to godaddy's whois. whois.org is flagging a weird error.
[16:19] <netritious> I think that's just whois.org...
[16:19] <netritious> "whois ubuntu-tennessee.org" shows correctly
[16:19] <Svpernova09> Could be
[16:19] <netritious> at least it looks correct
[16:20] <netritious> yeah A records working great, just got to update those NS and transfer will be complete, but has to be someone with domain control, and I know cyberanger has access not sure who else does though
[19:07] <cyberanger> netritious: that someone should be you and pace too, but I don't mind doing it
[19:09] <cyberanger> netritious: so just let me know
[20:12] <netritious> i think at some point in time you sent me an email cyberanger, and I looked for it but not found...so please do by all means go ahead and upadte
[20:12] <cyberanger> update to what
[20:13] <netritious> that was kinda the reason for spreading it around in the first place I thought, you know, someone host the site, some get the domain, someone get the cert, etc
[20:13] <netritious> get my post to the list from yesterday?
[20:15] <cyberanger> yeah, right as I asked that (that list has been once a month, I check it once a day, realized it's probally there)
[20:15] <netritious> ns3.secure-trans.net and ns4.secure-trans.net
[20:15] <cyberanger> it's in the email
[20:16] <cyberanger> well, was the site ever spread out, if you just shut the box off, who had a copy to bring it back up
[20:16] <netritious> Joe
[20:16] <netritious> Svpernova09:
[20:17] <Svpernova09> yo
[20:17] <netritious> sorry Svpernova09 was answering cyberanger
[20:17] <Svpernova09> np
[20:18] <netritious> cyberanger: the site was backed up nightly around 1 am
[20:18] <netritious> remotely until the problems a few weeks ago
[20:18] <cyberanger> he had a copy of it before this email, and never was on that admin team, shoot
[20:18] <netritious> but working on integration with S3 when I have time
[20:19] <cyberanger> and I guess I gotta resend the dns info, and figure out where things sit
[20:19] <netritious> there is a plugin in the install to backup the site cyberanger
[20:19] <netritious> has been there from day 1
[20:19] <netritious> backs up the files, config, and mysql, prompts for d/l
[20:20] <cyberanger> didn't know that, ok, and only the admin team and Poc's have that?
[20:20] <netritious> so I guess the better question is, since you have admin access to WP, why don't you have a backup? :D
[20:20] <netritious> yes cyberanger
[20:21] <netritious> it was never my intention to "control" the site or anything of that nature
[20:21] <netritious> I know there are at least five admins atm
[20:21] <netritious> POCs and Svpernova09
[20:21] <cyberanger> I had PoCs and wrst, that's no good
[20:22] <netritious> wrst is admin too
[20:22]  * wrst resents being called no good
[20:22] <wrst> :)
[20:22] <netritious> +1 wrst
[20:22] <cyberanger> so PoCs, wrst and Svpernova09 have at least have a peice
[20:22] <wrst> well netritious more than likely true it just hurts :)
[20:23] <cyberanger> wrst: it's no good that not all of our site admins had full access
[20:23] <netritious> "You can't handle the truth!"
[20:23] <wrst> ha ha netritious very true
[20:23] <cyberanger> lol
[20:23] <netritious> they did
[20:23] <netritious> cyberanger: they did from the beginning
[20:24] <cyberanger> how did Svpernova09 get DNS info, I never sent it to him afaik
[20:24] <netritious> ericG, w4ett, and pace_t_zulu, mac9416 (worked on the design) and myself
[20:24] <cyberanger> since he isn't on my list
[20:24] <netritious> not sure I understand the question
[20:24] <cyberanger> and ericG never got DNS info (he was already gone)
[20:24] <netritious> Svpernova09 does not have access to the DNS cyberanger
[20:25] <netritious> and if I ever did I don't now
[20:25] <netritious> I think I logged in once when you first sent it
[20:25] <cyberanger> I GPG'd it to all PoC's, plus wrst
[20:26] <cyberanger> which at the time, was you, jfenn2199, pace_t_zulu, wrst, and myself (linuxman410 at the time did not have GPG info, that I think is fixed now)
[20:26] <netritious> I'm sure you did cyberanger, like I said I think I logged in once when you first set it up, or maybe a few weeks after
[20:27] <cyberanger> sounds like you had more admins I wasn't aware of, that also needed this info
[20:27] <netritious> WP admins do not necessarily need DNS admin access
[20:29] <netritious> but that's up to whom ever would need to make that decision
[20:29] <cyberanger> we already did, same vote you and I +1'd
[20:29] <netritious> cool
[20:29] <cyberanger> and that vote was forming a team to have that all
[20:30] <netritious> yeah sounds right
[20:30] <cyberanger> it's no big, it's working as it should
[20:30] <cyberanger> no single point
[20:30] <cyberanger> is failing
[20:30] <wrst> you know i'm not so wild about voting we need a benevolent dictator ! :)
[20:30] <netritious> yep, I'm of the same opinion cyberanger :)
[20:30] <netritious> whoops, I meant wrst :P
[20:30] <netritious> lol
[20:31] <wrst> ha ha
[20:31] <wrst> i think libya may have a dictator they need to trade off
[20:31] <cyberanger> wrst: ok, The Beatings will stop when Moral improves, my first decree
[20:31]  * wrst screams ouch
[20:31]  * cyberanger grabs his kicking boots and whip
[20:32] <wrst> cyberanger: i know what the website needs
[20:32] <cyberanger> premature pain, 10 more lashes
[20:32] <wrst> clipart... lots of clipart
[20:32] <wrst> and .gif dancing images
[20:32] <netritious> lol
[20:32] <wrst> and music that starts playing on loading
[20:32] <netritious> that would totally rock wrst
[20:32] <cyberanger> wrst: in other words, you want geocities to host it
[20:33] <netritious> lol
[20:33] <wrst> yes... netritious, cyberanger here you go one i would model it after: http://www.amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/
[20:33] <wrst> the content is of a bunch of crazy people  but still the site...w ell i guess it well reflects that actually :)
[20:34] <netritious> I created a page or two for an old lady that wanted it for a home page to easily click to get to Oprah and some cooking show web sites back in 98? 99? something like that
[20:34] <wrst> and combine that site with this one: http://www.psalm118.org/
[20:34] <wrst> sorry but nutty churches have the worse sites for some reason
[20:34] <wrst> ha ha netritious :)
[20:35] <netritious> :D
[20:36] <netritious> and I think for search I linked Ask Jeeves
[20:36] <wrst> ha ha wow
[20:37] <netritious> yeah the web was terrible mostly back then, design wise anyway
[20:37] <wrst> yes but really no one knew what to do it was just getting going
[20:38] <wrst> in 98 what 3 years?
[20:38] <netritious> well longer than that actually
[20:38] <netritious> 93 was when it was opened for commerce
[20:38] <wrst> didn't the www get going in 95?
[20:38] <wrst> ahh ok netritious
[20:39] <netritious> but the internet was around before 93...i think it started in 79? maybe even 69
[20:39] <cyberanger> ok, changed, needs time to push out
[20:39] <netritious> ty cyberanger
[20:39] <cyberanger> (usually we see it in less than a half hour, could be up to 48 hours)
[20:40] <wrst> i think 60's netritious with darpanet
[20:40] <wrst> while algore was still to young to create it i think :D
[20:40] <netritious> "...the first two nodes of what would become the ARPANET were interconnected between Kleinrock's Network Measurement Center at the UCLA's School of Engineering and Applied Science and Douglas Engelbart's NLS system at SRI International (SRI) in Menlo Park, California, on 29 October 1969."
[20:41] <wrst> cool netritious :)
[20:41] <netritious> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
[20:41] <wrst> i bet the connection speed wish lightning fast
[20:41] <netritious> lol
[20:42] <netritious> yeah you had a lot of ram if you had 512K
[20:42] <netritious> heck 64k depending on what decade I guess
[20:44] <wrst> commodore 64 was my first computer netritious
[20:44] <netritious> anyway the first time I accessed arpanet was through CCI BBS in Memphis
[20:45] <netritious> it was boring as hell compared to the BBS though
[20:45] <netritious> that is an awesome computer wrst
[20:45] <wrst> its amazing how things have changed netritious
[20:45] <netritious> yeah
[20:45] <wrst> i started college in 1996, we accessed email through an old VAX system graduated in 2000 webmail etc etc etc
[20:46] <netritious> nice
[20:46] <netritious> MS?
[20:46] <wrst> yeah netritious great for games that were acquired through questionable means
[20:46] <netritious> winders?
[20:46] <netritious> ha ha
[20:46] <wrst> UNIX
[20:46] <netritious> no when you went to webmail
[20:47] <netritious> the webmail was on unix too?
[20:47] <wrst> yes but still hosted on that same UNIX system just provided a web interface actually i think it is still that way
[20:47] <netritious> nice
[20:47] <wrst> yeah just a web interface to access the UNIX system
[20:47] <netritious> well enough of all this reminiscing...making feel like I'm 60 already
[20:47] <wrst> i remember having a crazy old professor for a class that had 2nd year acccounting majors trying to program cobol
[20:48] <wrst> that was a joy
[20:48] <netritious> omg cobol no thx
[20:48] <wrst> 2nd year accounting majors for the most part arent' CLI UNIX type folks luckily i was
[20:48] <netritious> fortran was my introduction to programming in HS
[20:48] <netritious> but believe it or not I didn't do so well lol
[20:49] <netritious> it wasn't BASIC enough
[20:49] <wrst> i have never been a programmer but did have to do that an a little of VB for another class I took, I took a lot of MIS classes
[20:49] <wrst> BASIC oh yes i had to do some of that also :)
[20:50] <netritious> I was still writing BASIC in 2002 for MS-DOS programs with qbasic lol
[20:51] <wrst> ha ha
[20:51] <netritious> you know how it is in the accounting biz wrst...
[20:51] <wrst> but the good ol commodore 64 was a lot of fun i run an emulator on occasion just for fun
[20:51] <netritious> there are still today companies that use an MS-DOS program to run there inventory lol
[20:51] <wrst> yes netritious change is a dirty word
[20:52] <netritious> ok, maybe not, but maybe
[20:52] <wrst> yes for sure netritious i know a place that was atleast last year still using an old dos deal for their costing system
[20:53] <netritious> In 2005 I helped a company in Memphis move form a "CMS 2000" machine, which was an 8088/8087 with a 20M HDD lol
[20:53] <netritious> wow wrst, it still amazes me lol
[20:53] <wrst> wow :)
[20:53] <wrst> that is soemthign else
[20:55] <netritious> it was networked though...an old ISA 1 Mbps? I think that was it, but used the old MS peer-to-peer networking protocol
[20:55] <netritious> now they use MS Access database
[20:57] <wrst> ugh... that's not really better is it?
[20:57] <netritious> for them it was
[20:57] <wrst> i have a great hatred for access
[20:58] <wrst> maybe undeserved but just always hated it :)
[20:58] <netritious> and I got to brush up on my BASIC
[20:58] <netritious> lol
[20:58] <wrst> ha ha
[20:59] <netritious> I am almost positive it was MS-DOS 3.3, which I upgraded to MS-DOS 6, which the software refused to run then (idk why) so tried MS-DOS 5 and worked, which meant I could run QBASIC apps
[21:01] <netritious> so wrote an app that just ran a looped request to the DB via command.com and wrote out to CSV
[21:02] <netritious> took about a week to finish since it kept filling up the poor 20 MB hdd
[21:03] <wrst> netritious: i can't imagine trying to use a 20 MB HDD
[21:04] <netritious> the bounty was $1000 and I was pretty sure I could figure it out
[21:05] <wrst> well that could motivate someone to use a 20MB HDD money=great motivator for me
[21:05] <netritious> wrst: exactly
[21:06] <wrst> :)
[21:07] <netritious> wrst: I tried an old IBM micro channel card in an ISA slot connected to a 80 MB hdd but couldn't get the system to recognize it so added a free space check to the loop which really slowed it down, but it did the trick
[21:08] <wrst> well if you are using a 20MB HDD is speed really a factor? :)
[21:08] <netritious> from there just imported the CSV into Access, wrote a few VBA forms, done
[21:08] <netritious> yes, when the company is using the DB at the same time it is a factor :)
[21:08] <wrst> ahh :)
[21:09] <netritious> but they promised not to add inventory until it was done, so it worked out
[21:10] <netritious> I'm pretty sure BASIC is dead now though lol
[21:13] <netritious> in the past decade I have taught myself ASP, PHP, and Delphi turbo pascal and became pretty  proficient in each, some Cold Fusion (::gag::), a little perl, a tiny smidgen of python, etc etc...whatever comes my way that pays I'm game usually
[21:13] <netritious> a little C++/.Net too
[21:14] <netritious> my latest is BASH and I'm loving it
[21:22] <chris4585> bash <3
[21:36] <netritious> chris4585: BASH is about as close to BASIC as it gets I think lol
[22:05] <cyberanger> netritious: well, good news, OpenDNS has the new record
[22:06] <cyberanger> I have the old record cached in my server (gotta do a purge tonight anyhow) and it's also cached on Google's Public DNS
[22:06] <cyberanger> so it is propagating
[22:07] <cyberanger> looks like your records are for 3600, so tomorow it'll be taken care of for everybody
[22:07] <cyberanger> looks like Svpernova09 has a higher record, double at least
[22:08] <chibihogoshino> i worship his shadow
[22:09] <cyberanger> oh, and if that's true netritious, I'm a fan to the closest thing to BASIC ;-)
[22:09] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: I don't follow
[22:10] <chibihogoshino> lexx reference
[22:11] <chibihogoshino> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEQzyZb84dU
[22:12] <cyberanger> ah