[14:28] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:26] <aztek> Hello s-fox
[15:26] <aztek> how are you?
[15:26] <s-fox> Hello aztek .
[15:27] <s-fox> I am fine thank you, how are you?
[15:27] <aztek> not so bad. what are you doing?
[15:33] <s-fox> aztek,  I am working on some scripts. What are you doing?
[15:38] <st33med> He's gone when you talked :p
[15:40] <s-fox> Yes, I noticed st33med :p
[15:40] <st33med> :p
[15:40] <s-fox> How are you st33med ?  It has been some time since we last spoke :)
[15:40] <st33med> Ohhh
[15:40] <st33med> You're silverfox right?
[15:40] <s-fox> Oui
[15:41] <s-fox> That I am.
[15:42] <steemed> Back, stupid connection on wifi is killing me
[15:42] <s-fox> st33med,  Though HAL 9000 might be an option ;)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10589904&postcount=9886 
[18:10] <Joeb454> st33med: stop spamming join/quits >:(
[18:10] <Joeb454> st33med: er, I mean BLARG
[18:10] <st33med> BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG
[18:10] <st33med> Honk
[18:11] <Joeb454> :D
[18:11] <st33med> Wassup!
[18:11] <Joeb454> not a lot, far too busy with assignments, how about you?
[18:11] <st33med> Busy as well. Not too busy. Though I don't come on here often enough
[18:12] <s-fox> MOAR SPAM?
[18:12] <s-fox> Hammer time
[18:12] <st33med> :o
[18:12] <s-fox> Or is it eject time ?
[18:12] <st33med> s-fox, you're silverfox, right?
[18:12] <s-fox> I can't let you do that dave....
[18:13] <s-fox> st33med,  http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=611656 
[18:13] <st33med> I do not remember you! Sorry :(
[18:13] <s-fox> And yes I am / was ;)
[18:13] <st33med> aH OK 
[18:13] <st33med> :d
[18:13] <st33med> :D
[18:15] <s-fox> st33med,   I was a member of member of the beginners team in 2008 
[18:15] <st33med> Yeah
[18:15] <st33med> I know now :)
[18:17] <s-fox> :)
[18:17] <Joeb454> s-fox: if it's hammer time, you need to do a dance and stuff
[18:18] <Joeb454> with a mindless, repetitive beat
[18:18]  * s-fox puts justin bieber on
[18:18] <Joeb454> :|
[18:18] <s-fox> because that is music apparently
[18:21] <Joeb454> I'm sorry, we can't speak anymore
[18:27] <s-fox> Dog's can't talk anyway...
[18:27] <s-fox> BIAB
[18:27] <s-fox> Bye st33med :)
[18:28] <st33med> bye
[18:28] <st33med> :)
[23:25] <mmiller235> Hey, I have a question. Is ubuntu going to make the switch to gnome 3 in the 11.04 release?
[23:29] <Joeb454> not that I know of mmiller235, no
[23:30] <mmiller235> Do you know when they are going to make the switch?
[23:30] <Joeb454> maybe for 11.10? I can't say for sure. But as it's only released on April 6th, I'd be surprised if it was the default in 11.04
[23:30] <Joeb454> mmiller235: I can, and have, been wrong about things like this before though :)
[23:31] <mmiller235> I see your point about the time frame
[23:31] <mmiller235> but, Gnome 3 is so good compared to gnome 2
[23:31] <mmiller235> one thing is, ubuntu's art team is going to have to rework the theme for gnome 3
[23:31] <Joeb454> most likely. They're working on Unity at the moment though
[23:32] <mmiller235>  Unity is a very nice environment
[23:32] <mmiller235> I wish they would use it for the desktop distro as well
[23:32] <Joeb454> they are, as of 11.04
[23:32] <mmiller235> but that being said, the design of gnome 3 sort of makes it unnecessary
[23:32] <Joeb454> ubuntu will use unity, in place of gnome-shell
[23:32] <Joeb454> though gnome-shell will still be available in the repo's
[23:32] <Joeb454> at least, that's my understanding
[23:32] <mmiller235> I see
[23:33] <mmiller235> sounds to me like someone realized that older software just isn't going to cut it anymore in the realm of GUIs
[23:33] <mmiller235> which is good
[23:34] <Joeb454> indeed. I quite like unity, from what I've managed to try so far
[23:36] <mmiller235> All I know is, old gnome, even with a compositor turned on just looks old and outdated compared to modern desktops like OSX and even winows 7. KDE puts up a much better show against these but for some reason, not a single linux istro that uses KDE4 bothers to use custom branding beyond just swapping out the background wall paper
[23:36] <Joeb454> I can't really comment, I don't like KDE ;)
[23:37] <mmiller235> so its good to see that the higher-ups of Ubuntu finally figured this out
[23:37] <Joeb454> saying that though, compiz and gnome look quite nice on my ubuntu install next to my macbook and my windows 7 install
[23:37] <mmiller235> Joeb454 were you using emrald?
[23:39] <mmiller235> Emerald is the only way to make Gnome look decent compared to OSX and even then Emerald has a lot of bugs
[23:39] <mmiller235> see, I remember back in the Berryl days
[23:39] <mmiller235> Anyone remember berryl
[23:43] <Joeb454> mmiller235: I remember emerald and beryl
[23:44] <mmiller235> The real problem with gnome's compositing is the lack of antialiasing and stuff like that
[23:44] <mmiller235> Berryl and Emerald atleast attempted to address that
[23:46] <Bachstelze> beryl had only one "r"
[23:46] <Bachstelze> and isn't compiz basically a fork of beryl?
[23:46] <st33med> Yeah
[23:47] <st33med> Wait
[23:47] <st33med> It's confusing
[23:47] <mmiller235> What i would like to know is why was Emerald dropped
[23:47] <st33med> Compiz was the original, then beryl was forked, then came compiz fusion. Beryl got stopped, then compiz fusion was renamed back to compiz.
[23:47] <Joeb454> st33med: that sounds about right
[23:47] <mmiller235> st33med what happened to Emerald?
[23:48] <st33med> mmiller235, It's still there, just that metacity is used by Ubuntu 
[23:48] <st33med> And metacity has really improved in design to allow transparent decorations
[23:48] <mmiller235> st33med I was under the impression Emerald was discontinued
[23:49] <st33med> I'm not sure. Maybe it was. You can still download and use it I believe
[23:49] <mmiller235> st33med if metacity is improved, why are they dropping it in gnome 3?
[23:49] <st33med> Because gnome shell is replacing that
[23:49] <mmiller235> exactly
[23:49] <st33med> It's more complex than that mmiller235 
[23:50] <st33med> Gnome shell was just recently made
[23:50] <mmiller235> st33med well, you know me (even though I havn't been on a lot lately), i'm all ears
[23:50] <mmiller235> st33med also Joeb454 said that starting in 11.04, ubuntu is going to use Unity in its Desktop version as well as the netbook version. Is that true?
[23:50] <st33med> Yes
[23:50] <mmiller235> awesome :))
[23:51] <mmiller235> I can't wait
[23:51] <st33med> Unity + gnome shell I think 
[23:51] <Joeb454> st33med: I think it's just Unity
[23:51] <st33med> Talking about gui interfaces is complex
[23:51] <st33med> Yeah
[23:51] <Joeb454> gnome-shell will be available, but not the default option
[23:51] <st33med> Oh ok
[23:51] <mmiller235> st33med there is one simple fact about GUIs, very few open source projects manage to get them right
[23:51] <st33med> Do tell.
[23:52] <mmiller235> st33med Audacity 
[23:52] <st33med> ?
[23:52] <mmiller235> Example of a poorly designed GUI
[23:52] <st33med> Audacity is a seperate program, not a gui designer
[23:52] <mmiller235> TeXmacs
[23:53] <mmiller235> st33med, no, thats not what i am trying to say
[23:53] <Bachstelze> anything that ends in *macs actually
[23:53] <mmiller235> st33med I am trying to say that there are a lot of great programs out there that don't have the best Interfaces
[23:53] <mmiller235> Bachstelze++
[23:53] <st33med> OK
[23:54] <mmiller235> st33med but I was looking at the design of gnome 3, and as it stands the "activities" menu, when active looks almost like a carbon copy of Unity
[23:55] <mmiller235> http://www.gnome3.org/img/search-big.png <-- see
[23:56] <mmiller235> by the way, I like the design, so I am not complaining
[23:56] <mmiller235> I am just noticing