[13:28] <ailo> scott-work, I was a little tired yesterday. Don't what was up with my brain. Thought I'd make up today by trying to find out how all of that gconf stuff works. I'm sure someone here knows, but I just wanted to learn anyway. I haven't found any documentation yet that seems to cover everything. Did you get anywhere with it?
[13:29] <scott-work> somewhat, i found the file that was installed, but it apparently didn't change when i added the indicator
[13:30] <scott-work> the file appears to be a vehicle to import settings and then discarded
[13:30] <scott-work> i'm probably wrong but it will probably also require talking to someone else to make sure how things are done
[13:31] <ailo> scott-work, The file that changes is in home directory, ~/.gconf, but the files in /usr/share/gconf , at least the default files seem to be used to generate other files. Don't think the files in /usr/share/* change at all.
[13:31] <ailo> I'm not all clear about it. I don't like reading xml either :P
[13:32] <scott-work> okay, that helps
[13:32] <scott-work> maybe if i can find what changes in the ~/.gconf maybe i can see about adding that to the one that is installed
[13:33] <ailo> scott-work, I suspect those files are different, but I'm not sure.
[13:34] <scott-work> me neither
[13:34] <scott-work> :P
[13:40] <scott-work> ailo: do you remember if the guy who filed the bug mentioning the "network indicator" installed from DVD or "upgraded" from vanilla ubuntu?
[13:40] <scott-work> i'm wondering about this because my rather stock ubuntu studio install for testing natty already had a network icon in the top panel
[13:41] <scott-work> and when i pulled the network cable it added a red X to the icon after 15 seconds or so
[13:42] <ailo> scott-work, I have had strange experiences from installing so far. On the install I did on my PC yesterday, from usb stick, it was bound to be strange, and there I have the indicator-applet working, but network-manager has no icon.
[13:42] <ailo> However, on Virtualbox the icon shows fine, but the gtk theme is screwed up
[13:43] <ailo> Which is unrelated, but only shows, I haven't had a clean install yet
[13:44] <ailo> scott-work: The network-manager icon should show in notification-tray, but when adding the indicator-applet it will move there.
[13:44] <ailo> I should do another install from DVD this time.
[13:49] <ailo> scott-work, I've been thinking about ram memory too. It quickly goes up these days. 2GB seems on 32bit seems like a minimum these days, even on Ubuntu Studio, though Ubuntustudio is a lot better with that. The indicator applet adds another 20MB, which is not the end of the world
[13:50] <ailo> On regular Ubuntu, 2GB is barely enough for me, when using firefox and thunderbird. 
[14:16] <abogani> Present systems are more and more similar to vampires.
[14:17] <abogani> ScottL scott-work: ping
[14:20] <scott-work> abogani: pong
[14:31] <abogani> scott-work: May I ask you a favor? It is a two minutes long activity.
[14:32] <scott-work> abogani: absolutely :)
[14:33] <abogani> Could you check my just sent email and rid of the big mistakes?
[14:36] <abogani> scott-work: ^
[14:36] <abogani> .
[14:37] <abogani> scott-work:  By the way please let me know when (if ever) you'll feel comfortable with -lowlatency maintenance. When that time arrives I'll let you that kernel and I'll return to work on the -realtime one.
[15:31] <abogani> scott-work: Are you still there?
[16:12] <scott-work> sorry, got pulled into an 1+ hour meeting
[16:12] <scott-work> i would be happy to assist you with the email
[16:12] <scott-work> i should have it back to you within the hour
[16:12] <scott-work> as to the maintenance, i would love to assume the responsibility of the -lowlatency kernel
[16:13] <scott-work> although i fear that i'm still very, very ignorant of all that will be entailed
[16:13] <scott-work> abogani: ^^^
[16:15] <abogani> scott-work You shouldn't fear of it you aren't alone. I'll surely help you if needed and I suppose that persia'll do the same.
[16:49] <scott-work> abogani: email sent back, let me know if you any changes i made do not make sense or they do not convey your original intent, i would be happy to revise anything you request
[16:49] <scott-work> also, thank you for the offer of support for the -lowlatency as i expect to need it ;)
[17:51] <paultag> hey all
[17:51] <paultag> finally have internet again
[17:51] <paultag> it's been a long 3 weeks :)
[17:51] <paultag> how goes?
[18:41] <scott-work> hi paul!  we thought you disappeared ;)   what happened?
[18:48] <scott-work> we all took bets on what had happened to you, i put $20 down on ruthless alien aduction
[18:48] <scott-work> paultag: ^^^
[18:49] <paultag> hey scott-work :)
[18:49] <paultag> scott-work: hahahaha
[18:49] <paultag> scott-work: my roommate went to Germany, and time-warrner refused to transfer it
[18:49] <paultag> scott-work: so the cut the line, then had to come and remove the hardware, then after that let me set up an account, and had to wait another week for them to install it
[18:49] <paultag> scott-work: three fucking weeks
[18:50] <scott-work> wow, that's mad crazy
[18:50] <scott-work> and probably very, very frustrating
[18:50] <paultag> scott-work: yeah, it was really sucky
[18:50] <paultag> scott-work: was someone ready to kill off the work I had hanging?
[18:50] <paultag> or did we fail to hit our deadline?
[18:51] <paultag> (or do we still have time)
[18:51] <scott-work> i don't think ailo made any other significant progress while you were gone
[18:51] <paultag> shit
[18:51] <paultag> scott-work: OK, it's on my todo list :)
[18:52] <scott-work> i don't know that we have time left to get it in
[18:52] <paultag> scott-work: are we beta yet?
[18:52] <paultag> I've not seen any notifications :(
[18:52] <scott-work> not beta yet
[18:52] <paultag> scott-work: I think since it closes a RC bug we can get it into beta last minute
[18:52] <paultag> but not mid-beta or rc
[18:52] <paultag> I think
[18:53] <scott-work> we are at beta + a week
[18:53] <paultag> oh crap
[18:53] <scott-work> i.e. one week till beta 1 comes out
[18:53] <scott-work> paultag: don't stress, if we dont' get it out it's okay
[18:53] <paultag> ailo: is -controls stable enough to use?
[18:53] <paultag> scott-work: if I let this pass, it'll be the first deadline i've missed by a cycle :)
[18:53] <scott-work> i talked to luke about SRU'ing it into natty even if we pull it from the seeds
[18:53] <paultag> scott-work: oh, aye
[18:54] <scott-work> if you get it that would be great, but circumstances happen and considering it has been broken for several releases it's not going to make things fall down and blow up :P
[18:55] <paultag> scott-work: ACK :) -- I'm going to strap a natty image to test on, but if -controls is stable and it works, it'll just be a matter of fixing up the debian/ folder and getting it sponsored
[18:55] <paultag> it FTBFS right now, IIRC
[18:55] <paultag> I kicked it to a PPA hours before my net was cut
[18:55] <paultag> and I remember it failing
[18:55] <scott-work> oh yeah, i remember that too now
[18:56] <paultag> so hopefully it's just an error on my part in debian/
[18:56] <paultag> worst case is the code actually fails to install
[19:19] <ailo> scott-work, paultag: The -controls code will probably not need any work, while the glade-file needs to be polished with text. I'd like for us to test it and have some opinions before we decide on anything.
[19:20] <ailo> It's hackish, because of the shell scripts I think, but I'm fairly sure it's not buggy by design, which of course remains to be seen.
[19:23] <ailo> paultag, Good to see you again, btw!
[19:28] <paultag> ailo: <3
[19:28] <paultag> ailo: I'll be back in a few hours, in class now
[20:21] <scott-work> ailo: i sent out the notice for macinnis being the new art lead