[00:11] <DBO> RAOF, present?
[00:11] <RAOF> DBO: Yup.
[00:12] <DBO> are you technically a member of the Unity Team?
[00:12] <RAOF> I don't believe so.  How would I tell? :)
[00:13] <DBO> you're not
[00:13] <DBO> damnich
[00:13] <DBO> was going to steal you for a review
[00:13] <DBO> last minute reviews are where the partay's at
[00:13] <RAOF> Heh.  What for?
[01:03] <njpatel> seiflotfy, jcastro, http image loading support in the dash will land in tomorrows release :)
[01:09] <nhaines> njpatel: ooh, how does that work?  :)
[01:11] <njpatel> nhaines, you can send though a icon_hint for a result of "http://" and we'll do the rest (through the magic of GIO)
[01:12] <nhaines> njpatel: sounds good for developers.  :)  What would it be used for?
[01:13] <njpatel> best example is a Youtube place, I think
[01:13] <njpatel> but it's good for any web-related place tgh, saves a lot of code on the daemon side
[01:13] <njpatel> tbh*
[01:17] <nhaines> njpatel: oh, I see... you could send an icon_hint that specifies a URL and it automagically appears.  :)
[01:19] <njpatel> right
[01:19] <njpatel> :)
[01:19] <nhaines> My first thought was that maybe if you specified a URL in the dash that it might load a thumbnail.
[01:28] <njpatel> url as the uri? yeah that would work too but we try and not do too many automatic things, rather present the data as intended from the daemon
[01:29] <njpatel> (mostly as every daemon needs something different)
[01:33] <jbicha> while trying to compile nux on Maverick, I get this error:
[01:33] <jbicha> ../NuxCore/SystemGNU.h:37: fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory
[01:33] <jbicha> compilation terminated.
[01:37] <nhaines> njpatel: right, I agree.  :)
[02:07] <kenvandine> njpatel, your up late
[02:07] <kenvandine> must be beta freeze :)
[02:07] <njpatel> kenvandine, :)
[02:07] <njpatel> kenvandine, how are things?
[02:08] <kenvandine> cramming just like you are :)
[02:08] <njpatel> heh, nice
[02:09] <njpatel> has ted broken *indica* ABI again?
[02:09] <njpatel> ;)
[02:10] <didrocks> njpatel: no, you are two weeks early
[02:10] <njpatel> haha
[02:10] <kenvandine> njpatel, no... thankfully
[02:10] <njpatel> that's called the "ted special"
[02:10] <didrocks> (and it should happen when the whole team is on vacation apart from me ;))
[02:10] <didrocks> that was the ted's gift, right ;)
[02:11] <kenvandine> but i found the indicator-me packaging branch is a disaster... looks like ages ago there was a partial import from a tarball
[02:11] <kenvandine> so we have been applying a reverse diff on some of the autotools stuff
[02:11] <njpatel> urgh
[02:11] <didrocks> kenvandine: see why I'm anal on the unity package :-)
[02:12] <kenvandine> and of course since the file ids match i can't just bzr rm them, because they get removed
[02:12] <kenvandine> didrocks, indeed...
[02:12] <kenvandine> i guess this happened when we thought we would move everything to spb
[02:12] <kenvandine> ted tried to import it
[02:12] <didrocks> oh yeah ;)
[02:12] <didrocks> that's why I don't let dx touch my packages ;)
[02:12] <kenvandine> hehe
[02:13] <kenvandine> gotta watch out for the dx team
[02:13] <didrocks> they just have crazy thoughts :)
[02:13] <kenvandine> well, he thought that was what we wanted
[02:13] <kenvandine> which for about 2 days i think we did :)
[02:13] <kenvandine> but now half of the dx packages i maintain are spb
[02:13]  * kenvandine hates the inconsistency
[02:14] <kenvandine> anyway... time to go back to unwinding this
[02:14] <kenvandine> what a mess
[02:35] <Omega> Is it possible to blacklist files from the dash?
[02:51] <LLStarks> didrocks, you might like this one. the new dropbox icon never disappears. it's always present in fullscreened apps.
[02:51] <didrocks> LLStarks: yeah, restack issue of the systray, we'll get that after beta
[04:09] <jcastro>     - Launcher - Set Launcher 'Hide Animation' to 'Slide only' by default.
[04:09] <jcastro> woo. hoo!
[04:20] <LLStarks> is there a way to cycle through the expo? i see an arrow moving, but not all entries get selected.
[04:22] <LLStarks> unity should be as friendly to power users as possible
[04:25] <jcastro> arrow keys work for me
[04:28] <TheMuso> I use control + alt + arrow keys to move between workspaces.
[04:29] <jcastro> I think he means in expo after you super-w
[04:29] <TheMuso> ah ok
[04:30] <jcastro> looks like it's selecting, just the effect doesn't do a good job highlighting which window you are on.
[04:30]  * jcastro will just wait for 3.6.8 to publish and check again since the changelog of fixes is a mile long
[04:32] <LLStarks> sweet. it's like a birthday every week. watching the birth of a gui.
[04:32] <jcastro> I was just going to go to bed too, heh
[04:33] <LLStarks> don't lose sleep over it
[08:00] <MacSlow> morning everybody
[08:06] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:31] <zniavre> good morning
[08:31] <zniavre> now unity (3d) can run with nouveau driver thank you a lot devs friends
[08:33] <didrocks> good morning
[08:35] <zniavre> didrocks, do you remember i was with nouveau driver and unity-2d , but today after update unity (3d) is working quite well
[08:35] <zniavre> merci à vous tous
[08:35] <didrocks> zniavre: yeah, I remember! nice that it was fixed for your nouveau driver case :)
[09:01] <didrocks> Kaleo: around?
[09:03] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/eXArN.png  > i got this with unity is that causes im using nouveau driver or i did wrong ?
[09:04] <zniavre> hovering button gives small translucid arrow totally normal
[09:06] <didrocks> zniavre: yeah, probably the shader isn't impemented for your card in nouveau
[09:07] <zniavre> ok :o)
[09:11] <Kaleo> didrocks: yep
[09:12] <didrocks> Kaleo: I see that you are not using the same icon set directory than unity, should we planned something for OO?
[09:12] <didrocks> for instance http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/i386/unity-2d-places/filelist
[09:12] <didrocks> basically all /usr/share/unity-2d/places/artwork is a duplicate
[09:12] <didrocks> it prevents me right now to do a symlink from the place icons to our asset for consistency
[09:13] <didrocks> not a big issue, but will be nice to sort that out for OO
[09:18] <Kaleo> didrocks: I don't understand
[09:18] <Kaleo> didrocks: /usr/share/unity-2d/places/artwork has a lot of files unique to Unity 2D
[09:18] <Kaleo> didrocks: what symlinks do you want to do?
[09:18] <didrocks> Kaleo: yeah, but some are in common with /usr/share/unity/3/
[09:19] <didrocks> Kaleo: look at bug #704997
[09:19] <didrocks> (for files and applications)
[09:20] <Kaleo> didrocks: we don't ship workspace-switcher, files, applications icons in Unity 2D
[09:20] <Kaleo> didrocks: we use the ones from the theme and the places
[09:22] <didrocks> Kaleo: right, the idea was to point the files and applications icons to finf_more_files and find_more_apps
[09:22] <didrocks> find*
[09:22] <didrocks> Kaleo: and I can't do that as you don't use the same path
[09:28] <Kaleo> didrocks: I still don't get it :)
[09:28] <Kaleo> didrocks: the icons for place entries in the launcher are given by the place
[09:28] <Kaleo> didrocks: we use that
[09:29] <kamstrup> kenvandine: if you do a unity place that talks to libgwibber and let me tweet from the dash i'm gonna fly over and kiss you
[09:29] <Kaleo> didrocks: the icons in the dash result group headers as well
[09:29] <Kaleo> didrocks: the icons in the home screen of the dash are static
[09:29] <Kaleo> didrocks: is there any plan to change those?
[09:29] <didrocks> Kaleo: the place icon is changing
[09:29] <didrocks> and design want that we use the same icon than the one in the dash
[09:30] <didrocks> it just makes sense to refer in the .place file the main asset icon
[09:30] <kamstrup> Kaleo: with latest unity-place-files you can find your favorite folders from the dash as well as open urls; i tested it in u2d as well and it works like a charm. Awesome :-)
[09:31] <didrocks> Kaleo: and it makes little sense that you are duplicating the whole icon asset for just few unity-2d changes
[09:31] <didrocks> Kaleo: you should take those in unity-common so that we don't duplicate icons
[09:32] <didrocks> anyway, the current state is broken for me, so I have to duplicate the icon a third time in the user tree :/
[09:32] <didrocks> which is suboptimal
[09:37] <Kaleo> kamstrup: fantastic!
[09:37] <Kaleo> didrocks: again, we do not duplicate the whole icon asset
[09:37] <Kaleo> didrocks: at current I think we have 4 duplicate icons
[09:37] <didrocks> Kaleo: /usr/share/unity-2d/places/artwork/find_files.png
[09:37] <didrocks> if we take that one
[09:37] <Kaleo> didrocks: yes
[09:38] <didrocks> someone having unity 3D and unity 2D will have:
[09:38] <Kaleo> didrocks: which we do duplicate
[09:38] <didrocks> /usr/share/unity/3/find_files.png
[09:38] <didrocks> /usr/share/unity-2d/places/artwork/find_files.png
[09:38] <didrocks> and now /usr/share/unity/themes/files.png
[09:39] <didrocks> all of 3 being the same icon
[09:39] <didrocks> so a refresh need 3 updates
[09:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: so, that is unfortunate
[09:39] <didrocks> Kaleo: yeah, that's my point :)
[09:39] <didrocks> Kaleo: can we plan working on that for OO?
[09:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: we definitely plan on getting rid of /usr/share/unity-2d/places/artwork/find_files.png at some point
[09:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: yes
[09:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: but for /usr/share/unity/themes/files.png
[09:39] <didrocks> Kaleo: do you need a bug to track it?
[09:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: I believe it's a different resolution
[09:39] <didrocks> Kaleo: my goal is just to point to the "common" file in the .place file
[09:40] <Kaleo> didrocks: I don't think it's possible because of the difference in resolution
[09:40] <Kaleo> didrocks: you don't want a 128x128 to be loaded by the launcher
[09:40] <didrocks> Kaleo: right now, the design team just provide this asset
[09:41] <didrocks> Kaleo: they don't rescale it
[09:41] <didrocks> so we load a copy of the 128x128 icon
[09:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: so, we have to open gimp and rescale it
[09:41] <didrocks> but I totally agree with you
[09:41] <didrocks> well, "we" beeing me again…
[09:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: it should be 48x48
[09:42] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks :)
[09:42] <didrocks> vim applications.png
[09:42] <didrocks> -> bad start, just after a 4 horus of sleep ;)
[09:42] <Kaleo> didrocks: go sleep!
[09:43] <didrocks> Kaleo: well, ui freeze is today at any time…
[09:43] <didrocks> Kaleo: so we have to do that for the late change
[09:45] <Kaleo> didrocks: good luck
[10:04] <kamstrup> didrocks: ! if I create stable branches of all my projects, and go bananas on trunk will that screw over your packaging workflow or can you easily adapt?
[10:04] <didrocks> kamstrup: that should work with this, at least, can we try with one project first to ensure udd doesn't go crazy?
[10:06] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, so I create the branch, add do some trivial commit on trunk or something? And then you can do a dry run or something?
[10:06] <didrocks> kamstrup: exactly, SF reference is a plus, of course :)
[10:08] <kamstrup> didrocks: SF reference?
[10:09] <didrocks> kamstrup: science fiction reference in commit messages :)
[10:09] <kamstrup> didrocks: ohhh, right, no need to tell me that :-)
[10:09] <didrocks> :)
[10:22] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, danger ahead. lp:libunity is now dev target (pushed rev53 with an updated README there) and lp:libunity/3.0 is the stable series for Natty
[10:22] <didrocks> kamstrup: excellent, we'll do some tests with it then ;)
[10:23] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok, I touch nothing until I hear from you again :-)
[10:23] <didrocks> kamstrup: oh you can, we will get a way to sync it back :-)
[10:23] <didrocks> kamstrup: TBH, not sure I can play enough with it today, but tomorrow sounds fine
[10:24] <kamstrup> didrocks: no changes pending anyway, so chill dude :-)
[10:24] <didrocks> ;)
[10:29] <ogra_> didrocks, i get poked since a while about https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/natty/metacity/metacity-fix-717216/+merge/52199 ... would you mind taking a quick look before i merge
[10:29] <Dart> Got a little problem: Tooltips on unity launcher does not respect font settings and text gets truncated if changed to bold/medium etc. (Terminal is Termina, Gedit is Gedi etc)
[10:30] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, I didn't test it, did you? IIRC, I asked you to report it upstream as well and add the refer in the patch header before merging
[10:31] <didrocks> ogra_: you're taking for of metacity now, I didn't touch it for a long time ;)
[10:35] <njpatel> kamstrup, dash supports loading html icons now :)
[10:35] <Dart> Also there is this thing in unity 3.6.8 http://i.imgur.com/p8wke.png
[10:35] <njpatel> Dart, yeah, I'm not sure who broke that
[10:37] <njpatel> aaaah
[10:37] <njpatel> they do it twice now
[10:37] <njpatel> I'll fix it in trunk
[10:38] <Dart> njpatel, also should i report a bug for this problem:  Tooltips on unity launcher does not respect font settings and text gets truncated if changed to bold/medium etc. (Terminal is Termina, Gedit is Gedi etc
[10:38] <njpatel> Dart, yes please! that's not acceptable
[10:39] <Dart> ok
[10:39] <didrocks> njpatel: how is it done twice?
[10:39] <njpatel> didrocks, LauncherIcon does it now too, before it didn't
[10:39] <njpatel> which is fine, but it needed to be tested :)
[10:39] <njpatel> (the tooltip)
[10:39] <didrocks> njpatel: oh ok :)
[10:40] <didrocks> njpatel: I'm fixing this
[10:40] <didrocks> there is another markup fix to do
[10:40] <njpatel> didrocks, fixed in trunk :)
[10:40] <didrocks> njpatel: argh, you're too fast :)
[10:40] <didrocks> fixing the other markup issue then :p
[10:42] <didrocks> njpatel: btw, didn't look where you changed it (in middle of an upgrade), but I did it the right place, isn't it? it's just the PlaceLauncherIcon which don't need to do it?
[10:43] <didrocks> (we use "et" in the french translation, not & btw)
[10:43] <njpatel> didrocks, right
[10:45] <coz_> hey all
[10:50] <kamstrup> njpatel: rock on dude :-D
[10:52] <kamstrup> njpatel: do you think it's feasible for any of the community heroes to implement some custom renderers?
[10:52] <kamstrup> njpatel: like ripping out the homescreen logic to a renderer, and maybe the "list" renderer based on the existing default renderer?
[10:55] <njpatel> kamstrup, I'm going to try and add list, but I don't think it'll be super easy for community atm
[10:56] <kamstrup> njpatel: ok, or maybe your prio should just be to make room for it, and then we take our chances some community all stars do the rest?
[10:57] <kamstrup> njpatel: but of course I don't know the unity internals good enough to give you any good advice here :-D
[10:57] <ogra_> didrocks, i didnt test it and actually only look at it today for the first time
[10:57] <njpatel> kamstrup, yeaaaaaaah, it's just I'm worried about landing code which does things like close to release
[10:57] <kamstrup> njpatel: no worries, you just write, then I merge it ;-O
[10:57] <njpatel> heh
[10:59] <didrocks> 2011-03-17 13:15:14     ogra    didrocks, could you give a thumbs up on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/natty/metacity/metacity-fix-717216/revision/105 ?
[10:59] <didrocks> ogra_: you did ^^
[10:59] <didrocks> same channel :)
[10:59] <ogra_> aww
[10:59] <ogra_> k
[11:00] <kamstrup> njpatel: but otherwise don't make too big a deal of it, seems that people are writing places anyway, and with a little nimbleness one can shoehorn most things into the current default. We are doing that ourselves anyway! :-)
[11:00] <didrocks> session to test compiz session handling
[11:00] <didrocks> restart*
[11:00] <njpatel> kamstrup, yeah, I think this is going to be more of a fun thing for me as it's been a crazy week, but only if no other priorities show up, of course
[11:05] <robtaylor> didrocks: thanks for your help last night :)
[11:13] <Davidc_3> njpatel: html loading in dash rocks, thank you! http://ubuntuone.com/p/jDq/
[11:14] <njpatel> Davidc_3, hah, awesome!
[11:44] <robtaylor> smspillaz: didrocks: so, I have to ask, why are we usingthe gconf backend for compiz? surely for our needs it would be best to have a flat file config for which plugins to load
[11:45] <didrocks> robtaylor: because the backend is picking also the gnome keybindings
[11:45] <robtaylor> I also think it would be good to noticable fail and drop back to unity 2d if anything fails
[11:45] <didrocks> like switch to ws <num>
[11:45] <bwright> Hello.
[11:46] <didrocks> so, we have to use what GNOME uses :) and in 2.32, it's gconf
[11:46] <robtaylor> didrocks: right,but that's not ccps, right
[11:46] <robtaylor> didrocks: ?
[11:46] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah, but ccp don't make the difference between gnome keybindings which are wrapped by compiz (like switch ws shortcut) and plugins settings
[11:46] <robtaylor> didrocks: that's fixable :)
[11:47] <didrocks> robtaylor: not really worth it and not in this timeline
[11:47] <didrocks> robtaylor: we will move to gsettings next cycle
[11:47] <didrocks> and create a gsettings backend then
[11:47] <didrocks> (a sane gsettings backend, not like the gconf one)
[11:47] <robtaylor> didrocks:*nod* perhaps, I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/729597 is a race condition on reading gconf
[11:48] <robtaylor> didrocks: hard to show that though, just a gut feeling
[11:48] <robtaylor> not tha reading gconf should be racy
[11:48] <robtaylor> its some sort of weird start-of day bug
[11:49] <didrocks> robtaylor: we fixed before alpha3 all gconf races we found though. Can be rather an opengl init issue as well
[11:50] <robtaylor> didrocks: one small fix that would make sense is to error sensibly is *any* of the configured plugins fail to load. at the moment it 'gracefully degrades' which mean we have an explosion of error cases
[11:50] <robtaylor> s/is/if/
[11:51] <didrocks> robtaylor: that's more something to discuss with the compiz dev. What we do right now is doing the check before
[11:51] <didrocks> to register right Required components
[11:51] <robtaylor> didrocks: and maybe one hacky short-termist fix is to just hardcode all the plugins we expect to load in main.cpp?
[11:52] <robtaylor> didrocks: hmm, where does that check happen?
[11:53] <didrocks> robtaylor: that was something we discussed weeks ago but it didn't happen. It's too late right now for natty
[11:53] <robtaylor> didrocks: why? we're not in hard code freeze yet are we?
[11:53] <didrocks> robtaylor: it's some kind of a feature
[11:54] <didrocks> we are in feature freeze for 2 weeks
[11:54] <robtaylor> didrocks: naa, its bel-and-braces workaround
[11:54] <robtaylor> didrocks: we can't go out with machines randomly failing to start a desktop
[11:55] <robtaylor> didrocks: there's a nasty bug in there somewhere which needs fixing for release. I can repro it here easily.
[11:55] <didrocks> robtaylor: TBH, I prefer right now that we fix crashes :)
[11:55] <robtaylor> didrocks: the problem is reproing it reliably - its a heisenbug
[11:56] <robtaylor> didrocks: this is a crash
[11:56] <didrocks> robtaylor: can you check that with dbarth? kind of pingomachine there
[11:56] <robtaylor> didrocks: well, as far as the user is concerned at least - its reported as a crash, compiz exits
[11:56] <didrocks> just feels that change big and risky
[11:56] <didrocks> and don't integrate with profile handling
[11:56] <didrocks> and such
[11:56] <robtaylor> didrocks: profile handling?
[11:57] <didrocks> robtaylor: we are using profile in compiz
[11:57] <didrocks> sorry, I really don't have the time to explain that today :)
[11:58] <robtaylor> didrocks: np, later
[11:58] <didrocks> ttyl :)
[11:59] <robtaylor> didrocks: lincompizconfig profiles, right?
[12:00] <didrocks> robtaylor: yes
[12:01] <robtaylor> didrocks: ta. i'll try and get a deeper understanding. I think we do need to seriously consider some option - i'll keep trying to get a log for 729597
[12:02] <didrocks> robtaylor: please, try to check with dbarth before and focus on the priority list :)
[12:02] <robtaylor> didrocks: *nod* will do, of course, just flagging it today
[12:02] <robtaylor> didrocks: testcases next up
[12:38] <alex3f> !seen mvo
[12:42] <njpatel> kamstrup, I believe Davidc_3 is doing it, but he's offline right now
[12:42] <kamstrup> njpatel: sure looks sweet
[12:42] <njpatel> yeah, it looks awesome
[12:45] <robtaylor> didrocks: so, managed to find the crasher for 729597 - its a Glibmm crash somewhere in plugin initialisation
[12:46] <robtaylor> didrocks: quick workaround is to move the session registration to before plugin load so gnome-session restarts us
[12:47] <didrocks> robtaylor: check with sam and what we get that with, please. Changing the order added a lot of issues recently
[12:47] <robtaylor> smspillaz: about?
[12:47] <robtaylor> didrocks: i'll test it out
[12:48] <didrocks> robtaylor: ensure you are using our package
[12:48] <didrocks> with our distro patches :)
[12:48] <robtaylor> didrocks: apt-get sourceing now ;)
[12:48] <didrocks> nice :)
[12:48] <elricL> Hi,just updated my natty.Boom unity is gone.Any idea?
[12:49] <robtaylor> elricL: how does it look? you login in just get wallpaper?
[12:49] <elricL> robtaylor, yup
[12:49] <elricL> I started up gnome-panel
[12:49] <robtaylor> elricL:if you right click, do you get anything?
[12:49] <robtaylor> ah, ok, so compiz is running then, just no unity
[12:50] <elricL> yeah,the usual menu
[12:50] <elricL> yeah
[12:50] <robtaylor> elricL: ok, install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:50] <elricL> even compiz effects work.
[12:50] <elricL> Its ther
[12:50] <kenvandine> kamstrup, pucker up!
[12:50] <robtaylor> elricL: run ccsm, then make sure unity is switched on
[12:50] <elricL> Unity plugin is checked
[12:50] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i plan to :)
[12:50] <robtaylor> hmm
[12:50] <kamstrup> kenvandine: !?
[12:51] <robtaylor> elricL: i'm stcuk for advice then. it's a curious one
[12:51] <kamstrup> kenvandine: oh, about the gwibber place? :-)
[12:51] <kenvandine> yup :)
[12:51] <robtaylor> elricL: can you edit /usr/share/xsession/gnome.session and and --debug to the Exec line?
[12:51] <kenvandine> one of the things i hope to hack on before UDS
[12:51] <robtaylor> elricL: then restart gdm
[12:52] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i fixed dee... it was packaging
[12:52] <kamstrup> kenvandine: i also see you got to the bottom of the overrides issue with Dee.py. Just awesome. I see places cropping up left and right :-D
[12:52] <robtaylor> rofl, maybe he can't =)
[12:52] <kenvandine> kamstrup, :)
[12:53] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i need to figure out a few things about places though... but i should get something up and running quickly that displays your streams
[12:53] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i suppose i would need to create a new render if i want it to be less tile like right?
[12:53] <robtaylor> elricL: wb
[12:53] <kamstrup> kenvandine: although, that would probably require the "list" renderer I've been chatting with njpatel about
[12:53] <kenvandine> kamstrup, exactly
[12:54] <elricL> robtaylor, tried a reboot. No help
[12:54] <kenvandine> so that doesn't exist yet right?
[12:54] <kamstrup> kenvandine: seems we think the same today :-)
[12:54] <kamstrup> kenvandine: right
[12:54] <kenvandine> kamstrup, well get on that :)
[12:54] <kamstrup> kenvandine: I think I can maybe free up a little time today to look into it
[12:54] <kenvandine> can we add a renderer without altering the packages in main?
[12:54] <robtaylor> elricL: cool, so as i was saying, can you edit /usr/share/xsession/gnome.session and and --debug to the Exec line?
[12:55] <kamstrup> njpatel: do you think it's realistic for me to take a stab at some place renderer footwork?
[12:55] <robtaylor> elricL: then sudo service gdm restart and log in again
[12:55] <robtaylor> elricL: then pastbein ~/.xsession-errors
[12:55] <kamstrup> kenvandine: sorry, no... That has been a long term plan, but time hasn't allowed for it
[12:55] <kenvandine> ugh
[12:55] <elricL> robtaylor, just a sec.
[12:55] <kenvandine> bummer, so if we want it for natty users... we'll need to get it quickly and an exception :/
[12:55] <njpatel> kamstrup, I think leave it at least 'till Monday, as I do need to fix some things and th sizing/spacing algorithm will change slightly
[12:56] <kamstrup> kenvandine: njpatel and i have grandiose plans, but seems like an Oneiric feature at this point
[12:56] <njpatel> kamstrup, if I don't do it by then feel free to have a pop :)
[12:56] <kamstrup> njpatel: okidoke. kenvandine ^^
[12:56] <kenvandine> i was hoping to get something in a ppa by the time natty releases
[12:56] <robtaylor> elricL: np
[12:56] <njpatel> kenvandine, kamstrup I'm sure it'll be okay to land right after beta, we just need to give didrocks a lot of beer first
[12:56] <kenvandine> hehe
[12:57] <kamstrup> njpatel: he's french - vine and cheese
[12:57] <njpatel> True
[12:57] <njpatel> and bread
[12:57] <njpatel> also the new workspace icon is not good
[12:57]  * kamstrup feels suddenly hungry
[12:57] <njpatel> looks like a terminal
[12:57] <kamstrup> +1
[12:57] <didrocks> njpatel: I think we need to go to stronger alcohol seeing what's coming :)
[12:57] <njpatel> heh
[12:57] <kenvandine> the french can drink beer, i've witnessed it :)
[12:58] <kamstrup> can we stop talking about beer?!
[12:58]  * kenvandine does his morning upgrade... crosses fingers
[12:58]  * kamstrup is getting thirsty
[12:58]  * kenvandine is just getting his first cup of coffee for the day
[12:58] <didrocks> kamstrup: well, if you want to do an awesome commit, you need some help in b*** ? ;)
[12:59] <elricL> robtaylor, no file gnome.session , have a gnome.desktop though
[13:00] <robtaylor> elricL: oh, sorry, my typo - gnome.desktop
[13:01] <kamstrup> didrocks: i don't think i have a single line of code in bamf?
[13:01] <kamstrup> i mean b***
[13:03] <didrocks> kamstrup: I was avoiding to pronounce bee* to not get your even more thirsty but yeah, you got confuse, just too dx-intoxicated ;)
[13:03] <kamstrup> didrocks: doh! :-)
[13:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh debhelper does the right think and not cdbs?
[13:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: well, I think it's a python-support/central dh_python thing in fact
[13:07] <elricL> robtaylor, http://pastebin.com/hVZb0bMe.
[13:07] <elricL> robtaylor, I think I found the cause of the error.
[13:08] <elricL> latest unity wont build
[13:11] <robtaylor> elricL: dunno. it certainly looks like compiz is just plain old not loading the unity plugin
[13:11] <robtaylor> didrocks: see ^^ :P
[13:12] <elricL> robtaylor, the error when i try to make. http://pastebin.com/FdGrkWhD
[13:12] <kenvandine> didrocks, right...
[13:12] <kenvandine> ultimately if i had just switched to python-support it would have fixed it
[13:12] <didrocks> elricL: some plugin won't load because there was an ABI break in compiz, have you done partial distr-upgrade?
[13:12] <kenvandine> but i am coming to like debhelper more
[13:13] <didrocks> elricL: not sure what the 'text' plugin is, but its package isn't refreshed with latest compiz
[13:13] <kenvandine> njpatel_, fonts in places/dash are looking awesome now... thanks!
[13:13] <elricL> didrocks, I did a full upgrade.
[13:13] <elricL> didrocks, any idea how to fix it?
[13:13] <didrocks> elricL: didn't it tells "will remove this package?"
[13:14] <didrocks> elricL: ensure you have latest compiz-plugins-main, and latest compiz-plugins-extra (if latest installed)
[13:14] <elricL> didrocks,  I just did apt-get upgrade and went to sleep.
[13:15] <didrocks> elricL: weird, apt-cache policy compiz-plugins-main
[13:15] <didrocks> apt-cache policy compiz
[13:15] <didrocks> apt-cache policy compiz-plugins-extra
[13:15] <didrocks> and: apt-cache policy unity
[13:16] <robtaylor> elricL: and compiz-core, for good luck ;)
[13:16] <kamstrup> njpatel_: PlacesResultsController::MakeThingsLookNice() Love that ;-)
[13:16] <robtaylor> compiz should be 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu3, unity should be 3.6.0-0ubuntu1
[13:17] <elricL> http://pastebin.com/ivSe9tDu
[13:18] <didrocks> robtaylor: you are on the old compiz
[13:18] <didrocks> elricL: looks good
[13:19] <didrocks> elricL: apt-cache policy compiz-core
[13:19] <robtaylor> didrocks: oh, interesting, good catch. weird, i'm sure i updatated that
[13:19] <didrocks> 1:0.9.4git20110322-0ubuntu3 ?
[13:19] <elricL> didrocks, exactly
[13:20] <didrocks> elricL: all looks good for that
[13:20] <elricL> What bugs me most is the fact i cant even seem to make unity
[13:20] <didrocks> elricL: oh you try to build it from source
[13:20] <didrocks> hum
[13:21] <didrocks> elricL: did you configure (cmake ..) just before?
[13:21] <didrocks> elricL: as some requirement change, it seems that most of the time, it's better to remove the build directory
[13:21] <didrocks> create one again
[13:21] <didrocks> and cmake && make
[13:21] <elricL> cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/unity
[13:22] <elricL> good enought?
[13:22] <robtaylor> elricL: worth doing an apt-get build-dep unity as well
[13:22] <smspillaz> who doth ping me?
[13:23] <robtaylor> elricL: not sure, but your error was dues to a missing dependancy
[13:23] <robtaylor> smspillaz: hey1
[13:23] <smspillaz> bug 729597
[13:23] <smspillaz> oki
[13:23] <robtaylor> smspillaz: so, wanted to pick you brains if you think moving the session management registration to before plugin registration would be risky
[13:23] <smspillaz> robtaylor: I'd like to know why glibmm is crashing
[13:23] <smspillaz> robtaylor: I don't think it is too risky no
[13:23] <htorque__> elricL, compiz will always pick the local unity first, so if you want to use the one from the repositories, delete (or move away) ~/.compiz-1
[13:24] <robtaylor> smspillaz: me too, me too. bad_alloc is somewhat worrying
[13:24] <elricL> didrocks, error is at 18% mark instead of 11% now.
[13:24] <robtaylor> smspillaz: ok, cool, thats a first-cut workaround then
[13:24] <didrocks> elricL: same issue?
[13:24] <elricL> htorque, I actually wanna use the local one
[13:24] <smspillaz> robtaylor: number #1 cause for that is new foo[bar + baz]
[13:24] <smspillaz> g++ can't handle that
[13:24] <robtaylor> didrocks: i'll test this workaround and send you the patch
[13:24] <robtaylor> smspillaz: *nod*
[13:24] <smspillaz> robtaylor: IMO session initialization should happen before plugin init anyways
[13:25] <smspillaz> since there are certain plugins that depend on that
[13:25] <elricL> http://pastebin.com/kxj9vMzE
[13:25] <robtaylor> smspillaz: cool, we're of agreement then :)
[13:25] <smspillaz> (eg session)
[13:25] <robtaylor> smspillaz: this is a tricky one to  catch abacktrace of, it takes a few tries to get it to repro
[13:26] <smspillaz> :/
[13:26] <smspillaz> racy
[13:26] <robtaylor> smspillaz: yup, racy as hell
[13:26] <smspillaz> yeah, well sticking session init there is a good idea anyways
[13:26] <robtaylor> cool
[13:26] <smspillaz> although its a bit s*** that it's crashing
[13:27] <htorque__> elricL, did you build nux? and export the paths (http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source)?
[13:27] <didrocks> robtaylor: I had to revert your latest patch, ensure you are using apt-get source to get what we have
[13:27] <didrocks> still sounds dangerous to me
[13:28] <robtaylor> didrocks: eh? oh, I though you'd rebase it
[13:28] <robtaylor> didrocks: you did ask for it plain from the git repo..
[13:29] <htorque> elricL, i just built current nux and unity from trunk and it worked fine
[13:29] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah, but the registration part change broke
[13:29] <robtaylor> didrocks: i can see my change in the current source :/
[13:30] <didrocks> robtaylor: right, I had to revert it, look at debian/changelog
[13:30] <didrocks> robtaylor: the current version is working
[13:33] <robtaylor> didrocks: i'm well confused, what was the issue?
[13:36] <didrocks> robtaylor: people just started to report that the latest version isn't respawning on crash
[13:36] <didrocks> the previous one was
[13:36] <didrocks> with the order not changed
[13:36] <elricL> htorque, didrocks robtaylor currently deleting every source,braching again and rebuilding.I'll see wat happens
[13:37] <robtaylor> didrocks: eh? i've not done any order changing. hence the confusion
[13:38] <didrocks> robtaylor: not order, but you changed the call
[13:38] <didrocks> do you have your patch handy?
[13:38] <robtaylor> didrocks: ah, i see i added some more initialisation into CompSession::init
[13:38] <didrocks> robtaylor: we already had that as a distro patch
[13:39] <robtaylor> didrocks: and you've reverted that, but left in the DESKTOP_AUTOSTART_ID, cool
[13:39] <didrocks> seems you didn't look at the ubuntu package :)
[13:39] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah
[13:39] <robtaylor> didrocks: well, i'm producing my patches on git head at the moment. happy to produce them in a form suitable for debian/patches
[13:39] <robtaylor> didrocks: you just need to ask ;)
[13:40] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah, we have some noticeable difference. Things that smspillaz doesn't want as an upstream, hence the distro patch
[13:41] <robtaylor> didrocks: wierdly, though, the last change that added setRestartStyle was in the git release, not in debian/patches as i understood it
[13:41] <robtaylor> didrocks: just checked, it wasn't
[13:41] <elricL> No use. I get the same error while making again and again.
[13:45] <robtaylor> didrocks: i'm well confused how my changes ended up in 060_move_checks_to_compiz.patch. that doesn't seem right
[13:45] <kamstrup> njpatel_: just going over all your places code - that's some seriously nice work dude!
[13:45] <robtaylor> didrocks: just the easiest option?
[13:46] <didrocks> robtaylor: with our distro patch yes
[13:46] <didrocks> robtaylor: oh no
[13:46] <didrocks> robtaylor: that's there for ages
[13:46] <didrocks> in ubuntu
[13:46] <robtaylor> didrocks:not in that form it hasn't
[13:46] <didrocks> but smspillaz didn't want that upstream
[13:46] <didrocks> robtaylor: hum?
[13:46] <robtaylor> didrocks: you somehow managed to add to it - that used to just add a single line
[13:47] <didrocks> robtaylor: no, I didn't
[13:47] <robtaylor> didrocks: and somewho you managed to update it to include half of my patch
[13:47] <didrocks> robtaylor: bzr branch lp:compiz
[13:47] <didrocks> this is the packaging branch
[13:50] <robtaylor> didrocks: weird
[13:51] <robtaylor> smspillaz: anyhow, that DESKTOP_AUTOSTART_ID stuff should be on master, thats a 'must happen' for gnome-session
[13:52] <didrocks> robtaylor: as you can see I change the patch last time (the content) at rev 491
[13:52] <robtaylor> didrocks: *nod* my bad :)
[13:52] <didrocks> *timestamp: Thu 2011-01-13 20:23:38 +0100
[13:52] <lamalex> does unity trunk as of today require compiz trunk?
[13:52] <didrocks> :)
[13:52] <robtaylor> didrocks: looks like i wasted a bunch of time
[13:52] <didrocks> robtaylor: base on ubuntu first ;)
[13:52] <didrocks> but yeah, it should be upstream
[13:52] <didrocks> convince smspillaz :)
[13:53] <robtaylor> didrocks: i will ;)
[13:55] <robtaylor> smspillaz: why don't we keep a git branch around with the ubuntu changes on? would make life a bit easier
[13:56] <robtaylor> didrocks: anyhow, current state of the package looks spot on to me.
[13:56] <smspillaz> robtaylor: +1
[13:58] <elricL> Ok.Gonna disturb you guys for one last time,befor I call it a night. http://pastebin.com/Zt93PaX2 Error,when I am compiling unity
[14:01] <elricL> robtaylor, ping?
[14:02] <njpatel> kamstrup, thanks :)
[14:03] <rickspencer3> time to dist-upgrade!
[14:03] <kamstrup> njpatel: i was worried how much work you where laying down for yourself for Monday, but it looks like the abstractions make the renderer concept straight forward to add - i'm definitely not scared at taking a shot if you end up without time :-)
[14:04] <njpatel> kamstrup, yep, I'm hoping that it would be easy enough to do, I guess I'm holding off as I know there are a few bugs in that code so I thought I'd fix them all at once
[14:05] <njpatel> kamstrup, my favourite part is PlaceEntry.h, it's just really nice to use through C++, I can say I was happy with myself there :)
[14:05] <kamstrup> njpatel: yeah, that stack allocation thing works out really well in practice
[14:06] <elricL> njpatel, free for a minute?
[14:06] <njpatel> elricL, give 10mins
[14:06] <njpatel> me*
[14:06] <elricL> njpatel, sure.np
[14:12] <njpatel> elricL, what's up dude?
[14:13] <elricL> njpatel,  upgraded my natty.Now cant build unity. http://pastebin.com/Zt93PaX2
[14:14] <njpatel> elricL, you need latest libnux-0.9-dev
[14:14] <njpatel> elricL, make sure you haven't got an old nux lying around (one you've built yourself)
[14:15] <elricL> njpatel,  i used the latest nux from trunk
[14:15] <elricL> i built it again
[14:15] <njpatel> elricL, is unity picking up that nux?
[14:15] <njpatel> actually it should work with what's in /usr too
[14:16] <elricL> unity wont run
[14:16] <njpatel> elricL, remove the build directory and recreate it and cmake... again, maybe it's finding some old headers
[14:16] <elricL> njpatel, tried that too.
[14:16] <njpatel> elricL, do this and tell me what happens:
[14:16] <njpatel> sudo apt-get build-dep unity
[14:16] <njpatel> mkdir /tmp/unity
[14:17] <njpatel> cd /tmp/unity
[14:17] <njpatel> bzr branch lp:unity
[14:17] <njpatel> cd unity
[14:17] <njpatel> mkdir build
[14:17] <njpatel> cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/tmp/unity -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local -DGSETTINGS_LOCALINSTALL=ON
[14:17] <njpatel> make
[14:17] <njpatel>  
[14:17] <njpatel> that should build Unity with the system libraries
[14:18] <elricL> I'll wait for it to pull the branch
[14:19] <njpatel> elricL, after mkdir build, it should be `cd build`
[14:25] <elricL> njpatel, still the same error.
[14:26] <njpatel> elricL, apt-cache policy libnux-0.90-dev ?
[14:26] <njpatel> elricL, did you do my steps in a new terminal window or tab?
[14:27] <elricL>   Installed: 0.9.34-0ubuntu1
[14:27] <njpatel> it should be 0.9.36
[14:27] <elricL> uh.a tab
[14:27] <njpatel> elricL, maybe your mirrors haven't caught up?
[14:28] <elricL> njpatel, atleast the one from trunk shud work right?
[14:29] <kamstrup> elricL: I always configure the updater to use the main mirror because the local mirrors can be a little time to catch up during intense development
[14:29] <njpatel> elricL, it should, yes
[14:30] <elricL> and also i get my updates directly from main server
[14:31] <jcastro> njpatel: ok so this isn't so bad, people need to install CCSM by hand still though
[14:31] <jcastro> but about:config ftw
[14:36] <tedg> kamstrup, Can I change the sorting of places so that applications are on top of files?
[14:36] <kamstrup> tedg: that particular bug has a few dupes :-)
[14:36] <kamstrup> tedg: currently it's decided by fair dice roll
[14:37] <tedg> kamstrup, So you're saying I need to override /dev/random ?
[14:37] <kamstrup> tedg: yeah, i'm trying to get didrocks to do that from the places packages... but he's hesitating...
[14:38] <tedg> Wimp
[14:38] <kamstrup> i know!
[14:38] <didrocks> not sure why I'm not foudn of that idea :)
[14:38] <njpatel> jcastro, didrocks is going to change it to allow you to install if it's not there
[14:38] <jcastro> brilliant
[14:38] <tedg> didrocks I'm willing to negotiate.  I'll avoid making French jokes until at least tomorrow if you'll do it.
[14:39] <kamstrup> LOL
[14:39] <didrocks> tedg: or should promess that over weekend, at least, I won't be there :)
[14:39] <kamstrup> tedg: don't promise stuff you can't keep
[14:39] <tedg> didrocks, well, I'm off tomorrow, so it's a deal.  Through the weekend.
[14:40]  * tedg is happy, problem solved.
[14:43] <rdale__> i've just installed the natty iso in vmware on mac os x, and i'm wondering how you configure it to use the qt qml based desktop shell
[14:45] <didrocks> tedg: I was there there were a trick ;)
[14:47] <tedg> rdale__, I haven't tried, but I think you just need to install unity-2d and then choose that on login.
[14:47] <rdale__> ok sounds good thanks - i'll try that
[14:55] <rdale__> is there a meta package for installing developer tools for unity-2d?
[14:57] <jcastro> njpatel: ok, dual works SO much better now
[14:57] <jcastro> njpatel: only one beef, you duplicate the indicators on the 2nd panel
[14:57] <njpatel> jcastro, awesome :)
[14:57] <jcastro> are you aware or should I file a bug?
[14:58] <njpatel> jcastro, yeah, by design
[14:58] <jcastro> wait
[14:58] <jcastro> what?
[14:58] <njpatel> we duplicate them as mpt asked
[14:58] <njpatel> I like it like that too actually
[14:58]  * jcastro looks skepticly at mpt
[14:58] <jcastro> ok I'll try it
[14:59] <robtaylor> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584863/
[14:59] <mpt> I know nothing!
[14:59] <didrocks> robtaylor: look with sam for that, I won't upload compiz right now for beta :)
[14:59] <robtaylor> didrocks: tested here, works fine. still have yet to get the bug to show it's head aain
[15:00] <didrocks> robtaylor: did you check with the ubuntu pacakge?
[15:00] <robtaylor> didrocks: check out the pastebin ;)
[15:00] <didrocks> robtaylor: I mean, at startup, with our profile and such?
[15:01] <didrocks> well compiz-0.9.4git20110322.orig can be a tarball opening ;) doesn't mean that it's using our profiles
[15:01] <robtaylor> didrocks: built in package, etc ect, no other build of compiz on the system, clean, pure current natty today
[15:02] <didrocks> nice, should be pushed post-beta then
[15:02] <didrocks> (one week from now)
[15:02] <robtaylor> didrocks: cool
[15:02] <robtaylor> didrocks: should i stick it in the bug?
[15:02] <didrocks> robtaylor: yeah please, ensure it's tagged unity-priority and set to fix committed
[15:02] <robtaylor> ok :)
[15:03] <didrocks> thanks :)
[15:05] <elricL> njpatel, any idea how to fix it or should I call it quits and try tomorrow?
[15:06] <njpatel> elricL, I'm not sure why it's broken if your building nux trunk too (lp:nux). I'd do what kamstrup said and change your mirror to the main mirror and grab nux and unity from there
[15:06] <elricL> mine is already the main mirror.
[15:07] <robtaylor> didrocks: stupid question: how do i tag a bug?
[15:07] <njpatel> elricL, SO you have the latest nux?
[15:07] <elricL> yup
[15:09] <didrocks> robtaylor: you have a + button with the tag, just enter unity-priority in the input
[15:09] <zniavre> good afternoon how to restart app-menu-indicator please ? randomly it displays only 'File' single menu
[15:09] <didrocks> robtaylor: just below the first bug reporter content
[15:10] <robtaylor> didrocks: thanks, i was being blind :)
[15:30] <lamalex> DBO, smspillaz, do I need compiz trunk to build unity?
[15:31] <lamalex> error: ‘class CompWindow’ has no member named ‘borderRect’
[15:31] <DBO> lamalex, yes
[15:31] <lamalex> is there a ppa?
[15:34] <lamalex> didrocks, how would I get the bug status out of the lp header in .mailfilter?
[15:35] <lamalex> DBO, that probably should have lived in a branch and waited to be merged until compiz packages were pushed
[15:35] <DBO> lamalex, the compiz packages were up before it was merged
[15:35] <lamalex> hm really?
[15:35] <lamalex> why don't I have them..
[15:35] <DBO> yeah i just use natty compiz
[15:35] <lamalex> ah, conflicts
[15:35] <lamalex> great
[15:36] <didrocks> lamalex: look at the X-Launchpad-Rationale example, you just need to do an if with a regexp
[15:36] <lamalex> yeah I don't understand the regexp at all
[15:36] <didrocks> lamalex: local compiz install?
[15:37] <lamalex> no, it's from the dbgsym packages
[15:37] <lamalex> compiz didn't upgrade
[15:46] <lamalex> didrocks, can I do if ( /^X-Launchpad-Bug: (product=[-a-zA-Z0-9 ]*)) (status=[-a-zA-Z0-9 ]*)/ )
[15:46] <lamalex> then PRODUCT=$MATCH1 STATUS=$MATCH2
[15:47] <didrocks> lamalex: that should work, look at packaging bugs, they have generally different header though
[15:47] <didrocks> lamalex: you have an application called kiki in universe
[15:47] <didrocks> lamalex: it enables to test regexp quite easily
[15:49] <lamalex> oh cool
[15:49] <lamalex> thanks
[15:49] <lamalex> didrocks, yeah packaging are under something else
[15:49] <lamalex> but that's as simple as swapping product
[15:49] <nhaines> lamalex: kiki's actually a pretty good one.  :)
[15:50] <lamalex> hmm my dash search isn't find applications
[15:50] <lamalex> what gives
[15:50] <didrocks> lamalex: do you have a local unity install?
[15:50] <didrocks> do you have the place icon in the launcher?
[15:50] <lamalex> yeah
[15:50] <lamalex> if I click that its fine
[15:50] <didrocks> weird…
[15:50] <lamalex> but just tap super + search doesnt find things
[15:50] <lamalex> i just build new unity so lets see if that fixes it
[15:51] <didrocks> lamalex: btw, the trunk build worked?
[15:51] <didrocks> as you got an error
[15:51] <lamalex> uh
[15:51] <lamalex> build worke
[15:51] <lamalex> but running gives compiz (core) - Error: Plugin 'core' has ABI version '20110322', expected ABI version '20110224'
[15:52] <didrocks> lamalex: you have some compiz package not updated
[15:52] <lamalex> *facepalm*
[15:52] <lamalex> the dbg repos dont get updated fast enough
[15:52] <didrocks> it's weird though, the packaging shouldn't allow partial upgrade
[15:52] <didrocks> I would be interested to reproduce that
[15:53] <didrocks> (we create a virtual package that other plugins depends on)
[15:53] <didrocks> to avoid this to happen
[15:53] <lamalex> yeah i dont see any compiz packages waiting to be upgraded
[15:53] <didrocks> lamalex: oh there are if you see that :)
[15:53] <lamalex> aptitude full-upgrade doesn't show them
[15:54] <didrocks> can you pastebin the full output
[15:54] <didrocks> when you start compiz?
[15:55] <didrocks> compiz --debug or --verbose btw
[15:59] <lamalex> didrocks, I got it
[15:59] <lamalex> it was from a partial build of unity with old compiz header
[15:59] <didrocks> I can bet you have a local compiz install
[16:15] <lamalex> didrocks, ^X-Launchpad-Bug:(.*)(product|sourcepackage)=([a-zA-Z0-9 ]*)(.*)status=([a-zA-Z ]*)
[16:15] <lamalex> the magic regex
[16:15] <didrocks> nice! :)
[16:17] <lamalex> then $MATCH3 is always project, and 5 is always status
[16:18] <lamalex> my .mailfilter just shrunk way down
[16:18] <lamalex> didrocks, is there a safe way to test that this works?
[16:18] <didrocks> lamalex: not that I know of
[16:18] <lamalex> haha cool
[16:19] <lamalex> just how I like it
[16:19] <lamalex> dangerous
[16:21] <lamalex> ronoc, I saw godspeed last week
[16:21] <ronoc> lamalex, alright what did you think ?
[16:21] <ronoc> long set ?
[16:21] <ronoc> london was great b4 xmas
[16:28] <lamalex> ronoc, no it was way too short
[16:29] <lamalex> they played for like 2 1/2 hours
[16:29] <lamalex> but it was soooo good
[16:29] <lamalex> DBO, didrocks I'm getting bad autohide behavior again
[16:29] <ronoc> lamalex, wow in London they played i think it was at least two hours
[16:30] <ronoc> from raise your skinny fists back to #!...
[16:30] <DBO> lamalex, explain it please
[16:30] <lamalex> ronoc, yeah same here
[16:30] <lamalex> DBO, well, it was just sitting open over xchat
[16:30] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, do you think it's proper to mark Bug #741014 as "also affects Unity"?
[16:30] <lamalex> then when I went to mouse over i got no tooltips so it was sort of like it was actually hidden but not drawn hidden
[16:31] <DBO> lamalex, how up to date are you?
[16:31] <lamalex> DBO, rev 1023
[16:31] <DBO> okay
[16:31] <DBO> can you try to discover steps to reproduce
[16:32] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: yep
[16:32] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: do also affects unity
[16:32] <didrocks> lamalex: if you click on super
[16:32] <jcastro> and then I can just assign it to kamstrup since that's his deal
[16:32] <didrocks> lamalex: does the dash appear?
[16:33] <lamalex> hm it just did it again
[16:33] <lamalex> it seems to happen when I cahnge windows maybe
[16:33] <lamalex> it's currently open but i can't interact with it
[16:33] <didrocks> the dash?
[16:33] <lamalex> no the launcher
[16:33] <lamalex> do you want me to click the bfb?
[16:33] <didrocks> yeah
[16:33] <didrocks> or rather
[16:33] <didrocks> tap super
[16:33] <lamalex> yah dash appears when I click the bfb
[16:33] <didrocks> can you interact with it?
[16:34] <lamalex> and then when i click off they both go away
[16:34] <jcastro> What do I target bugs to that are obvious O material?
[16:40] <didrocks> jcastro: you should have a backlog tag and milestone
[16:41] <jcastro> didrocks: ok so backlog is the same as "future" kind of?
[16:41] <didrocks> jcastro: yeah
[16:41] <jcastro> it feels like "things that are approved to be backlogged"
[16:41] <jcastro> ok
[16:42] <jcastro> didrocks: and if I need design to look at it, also affects ... ?
[16:43] <didrocks> jcastro: so, also affect design -> New
[16:43] <lamalex> hmm what the heck now mt isn't working for me
[16:43] <lamalex> oh
[16:43] <didrocks> unity tasks (downstream/upstream) -> incomplete
[16:43] <jcastro> ta
[16:43] <lamalex> well tap isn't
[16:43] <lamalex> slide is
[16:45] <Dart> After clicking, there is greater delay in launch of full screen dash and places as compared to the dash/places in mini mode.
[16:48] <Dart> something to do with ATI card?
[16:50] <lamalex> DBO, is mt tap working for you?
[16:50] <DBO> like sex
[16:50] <lamalex> so no?
[16:50] <DBO> exactly
[16:50] <DBO> and because of it obviously not working for me too, I am under no obligation to help you
[16:51] <lamalex> this is what you get when you burn someone you need help from
[16:51] <lamalex> is there a geis test app to see if the touches are going through?
[16:52] <DBO> geistest
[16:53] <rdale__> i'm trying to build unity-2d, and i'm getting a cmake error: package 'indicator' not found. i've installed various dev packages with indicator in the name but it is still missing
[16:56] <lamalex> db
[16:56] <lamalex> DBO, 	attr "gesture name" = "Tap,touch=4"
[16:57] <DBO> yeah so thats working
[16:57] <DBO> lamalex, make sure you dont have a stale compiz running
[16:59] <lamalex> DBO, how do i make sureof that
[16:59] <lamalex> i just rebooted
[17:00] <lamalex> so i should be ok on that
[17:00] <lamalex> and like I said, 4 finger drag is working
[17:00] <lamalex> jus tnot tap to show dash
[17:00] <DBO> well
[17:00] <DBO> i dont know dude
[17:00] <lamalex> hm
[17:00] <lamalex> me either
[17:02] <DBO> works perfectly here
[17:02] <DBO> what about the 3 finger tap
[17:02] <DBO> does that work?
[17:05] <lamalex> no
[17:05] <lamalex> no tapping
[17:05] <lamalex> but geistest shows it coming in which is the weird part
[17:28] <rickspencer3> hey all
[17:28] <nhaines> rickspencer3: heya.  :)
[17:28] <rickspencer3> is there something blocking getting a New Window item in the Firefox quick list?
[17:28] <rickspencer3> it's making Unity a pain to use on my netbook, which lacks a middle button
[17:29] <rickspencer3> hi nhaines
[17:29] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[17:30] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[17:30] <rickspencer3> still up?
[17:31] <rickspencer3> didrocks, any idea what I need to do to get this quicklist thing taken care of?
[17:31] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, still up, didn't sleep as long as I wanted unfortunately :)
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, it's not difficult to add a new quicklist item from a technical POV, but we need to be able to get the new string translated (considering that firefox doesn't use LP for translations)
[17:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: do you have .desktop.in files they are not imported to launchpad?
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> and we also need to decide between "New tab" or "New window" (or perhaps both), as someone already suggested a new tab item ;)
[17:34] <rickspencer3> dang it
[17:34] <rickspencer3> we must have New Window
[17:34] <rickspencer3> I don't care about New Tab
[17:35] <rickspencer3> either way
[17:35] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, is tehre a bug report?
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, normally the translations get stripped from the desktop files as part of the build and get merged in to the po files (which is what LP imports)
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> but firefox doesn't use gettext
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, bug 741046
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> thinking about it, new window does make more sense
[17:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, I know it works like that for other compoenents, just not sure for firefox you have that… seems not
[17:36] <didrocks> yeah, new window
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> and i'd rather only add 1 static item tbh (considering I may add some dynamic items at some point) ;)
[17:36] <didrocks> especially for a static quicklist
[17:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: what ideas to you have for dynamic QL? :)
[17:37] <didrocks> (just being curious)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, not entirely sure yet. i wanted to start playing around with it at some point. i'm definitely going to add support for download progress in the launcher, but i'm not sure how to make use of dynamic lists
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> perhaps show a handlful of most visited websites or something ;)
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> not sure though
[17:40] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, not sure about dynamic ql as well :)
[17:40] <didrocks> download progress would be awesome
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it already does download progress on windows 7
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, do you want to leave a comment on that bug?
[17:42] <rickspencer3> yeah, I'll take care of it in a few minutes
[17:42] <rickspencer3> otp
[17:42] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: odd they don't do quicklists in win7 though
[17:42] <jcastro> chrome has them though
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, oh, i've not looked at what they do on win 7
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> what does chrome use the quicklists for?
[17:43] <sladen> dbarth: Kaleo: DanRabbit: mpt: "Flightmode"  https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/631391  can somebody give me a sanity check of my understanding of the situation
[17:44] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: most visited (5 entries), recently closed (4 entries), new window, new incognito window
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, so, that's pretty much exactly the sort of thing i was thinking of for firefox :)
[17:44] <jcastro> the first 2 sections are dynamic
[17:44] <jcastro> yeah
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> great minds think alike ;)
[17:45] <sladen> dbarth: Kaleo: DanRabbit: mpt: This icon would only be used in indicator-applet, which uses connman (not network-manager) as the backend, and which is not installed by default on the desktop edition/Unity.  Is it installed on any of the other mixes where it still needs to be feature-freeze
[17:45] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: and we would have quicklists in unity for firefox before they do it on windows. :)
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> that would be awesome!
[17:45] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: a quicklist to a privacy mode window sounds really useful come to think of it
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, yeah. that's more useful for chrome than for firefox though, due to the way privacy mode works in firefox
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> (it sucks)
[17:46] <jcastro> bummer
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> you can't open a private window in firefox without closing all of your other windows
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> which is pretty bad
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> i know an entry we could really do with now - restore previous session ;)
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> people keep complaining that it's not saving their session now
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> but that's only because the restore menu item isn't particularly discoverable
[18:12] <vish> sladen: hi, why was Bug #704997 fixed in humanity ?
[18:20] <sladen> vish: I'm open to better suggestions.  You (last uploader) weren't around at the time
[18:20] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, didrocks I commented on bug #741046, shall I assign it to someone?
[18:21] <sladen> vish: aim here is to make it "look right" before UI-freeze, so that the Screenshoting can begin and then to improve the technical side after beta (re-source as SVGs, move to whatever the preferred location/package is)
[18:21] <vish> sladen: werent around? is 18hrs too short a wait time? :)
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, thanks
[18:21] <sladen> vish: UI Freeze, midnight last night
[18:21] <vish> sladen: you could have pinged me..
[18:22] <vish> sladen: would really appreciate it if the maintainer is actually informed when making such changes.. I'm not MIA ;)
[18:22] <vish> sladen: the icon needs to go in ubuntu-mono not in Humanity
[18:23] <vish> sladen: ubuntu-mono is the default icon theme and just including the icon in Ubuntu-mono would have solved it
[18:23] <sladen> vish: there's a proposed branch IIRC.
[18:24] <sladen> vish: need to do similiar for tonight too:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/741804
[18:24] <sladen> vish: if the answer is that that needs to go in Ubuntu-mono not Humanity too, that can be fixed/moved over at the same time and I'm more than happy to be informed of a better way!
[18:24] <vish> sladen: cool, but those icons go into ubuntu-mono, that should just work, no need to change Humanity icons :)
[18:41] <vish> sladen: and, the icons need to go into ubuntu-mono-light too, (if we want the same icon for Radiance)
[18:48] <sladen> vish: bingo.  Ta for pointing out the obvious (and on reflection) better solution!
[18:50] <vish> sladen: np, that trash icon would need fixing in Unity as well.. otherwise the monochrome trash icon will be used in nautilus
[18:50] <vish> unity should ideally call on -symbolic icon
[18:53] <sladen> didrocks: ^^ make sense?  Or too risky for tonight?
[18:54] <sladen> vish: yeah, the workspace switcher will have also changed Panel-2D but I don't know if that is good or bad (it's bad that I made the change in Humanity rather than ubuntu-mono, but that's orthagonal
[18:56] <didrocks> sladen: it doesn't really impact unity (it's transparent to it). I have no strong opinion about this, depends on you if you want to do an upload, isn't it?
[18:56] <vish> it's not bad, but Just Not The Right Way™  ;) , we will have to take a look at this again when we are getting a new icon theme.. if we change stuff in humanity its just hackish
[18:57] <didrocks> (sorry, on the phone if I didn't follow everything)
[19:06] <sladen> vish: Since I'll have to do another upload for the Trash icons, I'm happy to fix the not-the-right-way at the same time
[19:07] <sladen> vish: but you've raised a (separate) point about 'user-trash' and whereelse it is used
[19:07] <vish> sladen: ;p  btw, i marked Bug #741517 as dup of the old bug
[19:07] <sladen> vish: one option is to change that to "unity-launcher-trash" or some such (patch Unity, which I don't want to do)
[19:08] <vish> sladen: yea, i've mentioned it on the bug
[19:08] <vish> sladen: but that *will* have to be done at some point..
[19:08] <vish> lets just do it now ;)
[19:09] <vish> the launcher monochrome icons will need to be named different
[19:10] <sladen> vish: "user-trash-symbolic"/"user-trash-full-symbolic" ?
[19:10] <vish> probably..
[19:10] <sladen> policy decisions... policy decisions... writing the patch is easier :)
[19:10] <vish> ;)
[19:43] <Omega> Where are crashes stored again?
[19:43] <Omega> Compiz crashes everytime I press alt.
[19:44] <kenvandine> ok, i am very impressed with multimonitor in unity :)
[19:45] <kenvandine> just plugged in a second monitor and unity just did the right thing on the second monitor
[19:45] <kenvandine> not restart or anything
[19:45] <kenvandine> only weirdness was the second display didn't redraw the background
[19:45] <kenvandine> until i moved a window over there
[20:21] <jcastro> fta: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/compiz-update-whats-happening-in-the-race-to-natty/
[20:21] <jcastro> fta: xterms work ok for you now?
[20:29] <nhaines> Everything looks beautiful today.  :)
[20:29] <nhaines> Anyone know the plan for the new scrollers?
[20:32] <fta> jcastro, hm, not much. still weird
[20:36] <fta> jcastro, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/xterm.ogv
[20:38] <jcastro> DBO: ^
[20:41] <nhaines> fta: is there any scrollback in that xterm?
[20:42] <htorque> nhaines, no (seeing the same here)
[20:43] <fta> nhaines, yep, on the left, but it's the old style x11 scrolls
[20:44] <tedg> Who!  Hoo!  With the release of dbusmenu 0.4.0 we're not over 3000 blank lines!  https://www.ohloh.net/p/dbusmenu/analyses/latest
[20:44] <tedg> now
[20:45] <nhaines> fta: oh wow, I do remember the old x11 scrolls.  From like 1995.  :)  That takes me back.
[20:47] <htorque> fta. is there a bug report for that problem?
[20:48] <fta> sure. bug 692463
[20:48] <htorque> fta, great, thanks!
[20:48] <fta> oh, there's a patch attached now
[20:49] <jcastro> chright
[20:49] <jcastro> so basically, he fixed it, blogged that it's fixed, but it's really not fixed for anyone except him
[20:49] <jcastro> I'll flail him in the morning
[21:18] <fta> jcastro, i wish someone gets to the follow focus bugs before release.. it's the worse experience ever for me, since twm
[21:33] <LLStarks> do i need to file a bug for the obvious fitt's law issues with the scrollbars?
[21:35] <Omega> I'd say so.
[21:46] <lamlex> DBO: when an app with multiple windows sets the urgent hint, clicking it's launcher icon raises the one that set urgent- right?
[21:47] <DBO> lamlex, in theory
[21:47] <DBO> yes
[21:48] <lamlex> heh
[21:48] <lamlex> ok
[21:48] <spikeb> heh
[21:48] <spikeb> that's not a very reassuring answer :P
[23:16] <Daekdroom> Since the latest unity update I can't use Alt+f2 to run commands
[23:32] <a3Dman> bug 742055 , is it possible?
[23:58] <Davidc_3> Anyone working on a "lens" having problems now  with the new python-gobject? The Dee.py override isn't working anymore. *sad*