[00:17] aq [00:29] [00:30] [00:30] _Sophia: still going with Rail progress? [00:31] anyone awake? [00:31] You are obviously :) [00:31] :) [00:32] first time using irc... [00:33] so this irc stuff is like a chat room kind of idea... ? [00:33] different channels = different topics [00:34] you know for support topics etc? [00:34] S74rk7: Good explanation [00:35] sorry if this seems random... only been using linux (Ubuntu-Gnome+KDE) for about 6-7 months [00:35] lol [00:36] on the right of Quassel (the app I'm using to connect to this channel) I see nicks - is that how many user are online on this channel right now? I only ask as isnt it a bit quiet for so many users being on here - [00:36] S74rk7: no we are here to help and enlighten [00:36] That's how many people are here correct [00:37] i am here to help and enlighten [00:37] why so quiet? - or am I the only newbie here at the minute and your like staff? [00:37] lol [00:37] jk [00:38] S74rk7: nobody needs help [00:38] there is #ubuntu-offtopic for casual talk [00:38] S74rk7: You are staff as well if you can help :) [00:39] i find quite a number of people simply hang out here to see the problems that other people have. Helps them to learn as well [00:39] so would any of you kind souls be able to help me install the correct drivers on my laptop - its currently using drivers for a Nvidia card - my grfx card is listed as an intel chipset [00:40] ? [00:40] i have just installed natty alpha 3, expecting that file sharing would work like this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Alpha3/Kubuntu, "New Samba File Sharing". But the "share" tab never appears. Am I supposed to install a package? [00:40] SOMEHOW MY kONVERSATION JUST MAGICALLY TOOK ME TO THIS CHANNEL [00:40] caps sorry [00:40] IHateWindows: Welcome We are the magic fairies and elves [00:40] lol [00:40] what server is this? [00:41] i was on Quakenet [00:41] IHateWindows: Freenode [00:41] i dont have kubuntu tho... [00:41] S74rk7: if you have an intel chipset you should have the drivers already [00:41] i have ubuntu [00:41] :( [00:42] there is no reason to ship linux without all the Intel Drivers. In fact if you go to the Intel site it says You already have the drivers [00:42] IHateWindows: Welcome here anyway :) [00:42] thanks... even though i dunno how i got here.... [00:42] lol [00:43] we summoned you [00:43] all i know is i was typing mid sentence [00:43] then bam [00:43] we felt that you were heading down the wrong path... [00:43] jk [00:43] JonTheEchidna: knuckles' fan? [00:44] what's the difference between kbuntu and ubuntu anyway? [00:44] lucas: he was my favorite to play in sonic 3 and knuckles, yes :) [00:44] kubuntu+ [00:44] kubuntu = kde ubuntu = gnome [00:44] * IHateWindows has only used ubuntu for 3 days. [00:44] i dont comprehent gnome [00:45] comprehend+ [00:45] !kubuntu [00:45] kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE Software Compilation instead of !Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join #kubuntu - See also !kde [00:45] JontheEchidna: getting off-topic: s3k = BEST GAME EVER. but knuckles' jump height sucked :) [00:45] IHateWindows: The interface for Linux can be swapped in and out [00:46] yeah. I liked climbing walls though [00:46] GNOME is what ships with Ubuntu it's very focused on simplicity [00:46] KDE is what ships with Kubuntu and it's focused on tight integration of applications and allowing the user to do what they want [00:47] IHateWindows: So basically it's just the way you work with the computer [00:47] oh then i should probably stick with gnome for now till i get more exp then [00:47] is being able to use natty's new folder samba sharing folder? === IHateWindows is now known as VegaMan [00:48] VegaMan: if you like === VegaMan is now known as PSN|VegaMan [00:48] lucas: #ubuntu+1 [00:50] Daskreech: sorry, I'm new to irc, duuno what you mean. are you suggesting me to go ask for help there? [00:51] lucas: that would be it :) [00:51] Daskreech: oh, now i get it: +1 means next version, that is natty. Thanks. [00:51] I don't know if anyone is there now but few people in this chan run the Dev version of *Ubuntu [00:52] lucas: Right whatever version is coming up is called Ubuntu+1 [00:56] are there any instructions for configuring HP Laserjet 1102 printer for kubuntu 10.04 ? [00:59] shouldn't be too difficult [00:59] kubuntu already has most hp drivers [00:59] kamran: Have you tried installing HPLIP from the Software Repos? [01:00] and installing/configuring it from there - thats what I done with my HP 3050 WIFI all in one scanner.... [01:04] HPLIP was installed automatically when i upgraded to 10.4 [01:05] HPLIP is preinstalled [01:05] kamran: hplip libraries and drivers yes, but the not config application, that's hplip-gui [01:06] so i should go to KPackage Kit and do some thing there ? [01:06] kamran: can you give me an idea of what you mean by configure your HP Laserjet? [01:07] !hp [01:07] i have a printer attached to the system on usb port [01:07] !printer [01:07] Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows [01:07] ha :) [01:07] i try sending print and there is no printing [01:09] i check in the System setting > Printer configuration > My printer is not in the list "HP LaserJet P1102¨ [01:09] I downloaded mine from the HPLIP web site http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html <--- followed installation instructions on the website - pretty easy I thought as I'm a newbie still to linux - but thats how I configured my HP Printer - Good luck :) [01:10] i am on thee sam hplipopensource page. i wanted to check before trying anything silly [01:10] lucas: ping [01:11] kamran: can you first install hplip-gui from kpackagekit and see if our version works before you download it from there? [01:11] see thats my question - is linux not as plug and play just yet as Windoze? what I mean is, if Ubuntu comes with HPLIP pre-installed... how come we cant just plug the printer into a usb port - and the operating system springs something up to start the install/configuration process? === quant is now known as quant_ === quant_ is now known as quant [01:13] S74rk7: you would need an application that listens to the udev device added event and starts the installation. Should be possible, I guess nobody implemented it yet (or it's there and we never noticed) [01:14] since I've got a network printer too I can't really test that [01:15] yofel: by network printer do you mean for example a wifi printer? and your connected to it wirelessly? [01:15] S74rk7: It's probably far more plug and play but only when there are available drivers and some companies still don't treat Linux as if it exists. A few go out of their way to make things not work on Linux [01:16] S74rk7: nope, mine's wired [01:16] yofel: isn't it talking to it over http then? Does it still need a driver just to print simple pages? [01:16] Daskreech: yep, that's the case for my dads canon printer... that's why he's on windows most of the time :S [01:17] I can understand a driver to do advanced stuff. [01:18] Daskreech: dunno, but I still had to add it to the system as a printer, so whether it needs a driver or not doesn't really make a difference here [01:18] at least I never noticed one [01:18] CUPS should handle that seamlessly [01:19] Daskreech: thats what I dont get - why would you not want to support linux? free opensource movement really is the future of computers IMHO.... I dont get why anyone would be against something you can so easy be a part of? And for the good of everyone? Linux is so amazing - such a vast range of distrobutions and toolsets - I sometimes wonder why everyone hasn't seem to explore it or catch on and it isn't yet as popular [01:19] as a good natured OS alternative to Windoze?.... haha... [01:19] sorry I went off on a bit of a rant there - but do you see my point? lol [01:19] S74rk7: some people just don't see it that way [01:20] Some people either legally or technically do things on purpose so that the hardware will either not work on Linux or not work unless you use them as a gateway [01:20] Daskreech: thats the bit that confuses me - but is that part of the reason it doesnt seem as much of a target for malicious attacks? trojans-hacking etc? [01:21] So SoundBlasters I think you must Get the drivers from them and of course it's huge burden on them to maintain drivers for all the cards on all the linux versions [01:22] Intel opened all their drivers and have an open spec for chipsets and video cards and it's really really hard to get a Linux Distro that doesn't support all the Intel Hardware [01:22] S74rk7: corporations see only money and they (yet) don't have enough money in GNU/Linux market which is around 1%-3% desktop market [01:23] S74rk7: No the reason it's not a target is that it's better designed. You will (likely) never get the same kind of problems that Windows has on Linux just because of how it's distributed and built [01:23] lucas: ping [01:27] Daskreech: hey there [01:27] *back from shower* [01:27] lucas: \o/ [01:28] lucas: try install .kdenetwork-filesharing [01:28] !info kdenetwork-filesharing natty [01:28] kdenetwork-filesharing (source: kdenetwork): network filesharing configuration module. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.6.1a-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 24 kB, installed size 168 kB [01:28] Yep that's the right one [01:28] Daskreech: I know, some of the advantages I've learnt so far amazes me though that people dont recognise its the perfect base material to personalising you computer exactly how you want to use one! Its like a collection of real computer users ideas all put together - millions of different forms of input from users all over the world - you can see its way more advanced really than the likes of a "retail" pumped product [01:28] with a price tag such as "Windows" - and people seem to have this perception of - Linux couldn't be that good if people are giving it away for free.... [01:28] S74rk7: I think that companies hate not being able to control things [01:29] S74rk7: yeah Free is communist [01:30] Daskreech: JontheEchidna has already told me that on #ubuntu+1, I installed it, works fine. Thanks for all the help, I cant' believe I forgot to search for kdenetwork* [01:30] S74rk7: most people don't care as long as it gets them to facebook or gmail - the rest of us who do are much more likely to like gnu/linux ;-) [01:31] I don't know why Linux is so much better at "just" getting to facebook and gmail... [01:31] free is communist? [01:31] S74rk7: IT's not capitalist [01:32] Daskreech: washed brains can't do much except copy what everyone else is doing -> using windows/mac [01:32] see religion/politics etc etc - I'm really dont pay attention - capitalist I take is the big corporation idea on the running of a country etc? [01:33] S74rk7: Communism is the idea of many people working to benefit everyone else [01:34] S74rk7: Capitalism is the idea of taking something and making the most use out of it as you possibly can [01:34] so as I was asking, how come more people in the world know about linux as an alternative - your saying its mainly down to the linux sound being drowned out by big coporation advertising and operating system recommendation/preinstallation of windows [01:34] S74rk7: Good train of thought [01:34] It will win in the end though so I'm not too worried [01:35] S74rk7: in my country the national standard is the .odf format, but every job you apply to requires a .doc CV... [01:37] quant: That's networking that's slightly different [01:38] Daskreech: implicitly forcing people to use proprietary software with closed formats... that's not different :) that's forcing people to use what the corp lobbies want [01:40] quant: Except it's not forcing It's social acceptance [01:41] Daskreech: see - what kind of people tend to use linux then? What I mean is... I love computers - I used windows since I got my first PC when I was 12 - and I always heard about linux or stumbled across the name on the net but never really looked into it too much, I love configuring computers - my gadgets, and making media centre setups etc etc... I like the idea that if I can use my pc to do anything that I can imagine [01:41] ... and if I'm lucky enough someone else will have maybe thought of the same thing - wrote some software and been kind enough to share it with everybody else - or they can find something - improve it or customize it - as long as you share and show the same kindness you've been shown.... could that speed up the evolution of software? What I mean is.... we're all human beings - think what everyone could do if we all do [01:41] something together ? That kind of the linux/gnu mindset? lol [01:41] S74rk7: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:41] If you get a job and make it a goal to have people in your workplace be able to accept ODF they will put pressure without doing anything on other companies to do the same [01:41] wpw I got a warning of flood.... is that the kind way of saying I'm yakking on too much? lol - am I annoying you guys here? lol [01:42] once it's acceptable everywhere to accept an ODF you will find those who don't change their mind very quickly [01:42] S74rk7: It's you putting too much in the channel at one time. People write scripts to flood the channel with words so there is a robot to stop that from happening [01:44] Daskreech: ahh right cool - just cuts out any nonsense then :) -thanks for the info [01:44] So how secure is irc chat? [01:44] S74rk7: but that's the basic idea behind Free (Libre) software. It's very cool if you want to get things done. It' very very annoying if you want to control things or force people to do something [01:44] I mean if I was to setup my own channel for example - invite a few friends etc to join.... how private is it just out of the box? [01:45] S74rk7: Not at all [01:45] It's not intended to be secure in terms of a room though you can apply to get them password protected [01:45] Easier if you just run your own server [01:47] Daskreech: so should I erm... look into setting up a software firewall within linux? I mean if there was some linux/irc guru on that wanted to mess with me would I be pretty open? [01:47] Not really. Though a firewall is never a bad idea [01:47] Linux ships with one by default [01:48] I thought just with the idea and way linux has been built - your pretty safe - unless you enter your password in or run nasty code manually and with root permission then your opening yourself to hacking/infection from malicious code/hacking? [01:48] S74rk7: Not quite true :) [01:49] you can still be compromised and "infected" [01:49] most of the time it really requires you doing something silly but not always the case [01:49] however even if someone gets into your computer they are generally very limited in the damage they can do [01:50] Course if someone gets access as root all bets are off [01:50] any examples you can give me - see when I first joing the Ubuntu forum and posted questions in the newbies section... I was always told - security isn't so much an issue with linux because of the way it was designed.... that why its hard to come by the likes of antivirus software etc? [01:50] Correct [01:50] Viruses pretty much don't work on Linux [01:51] There are far far too many differences for any spread to be meaningful [01:51] you can use wine to run some of them [01:51] on Windows and Mac to a much lesser extent if you find an exploit or hole on one machine you have found one for nearly all the ones that exist [01:52] o linux you have a lot of fragmentation with all the different distros [01:52] on [01:52] petete: Still won't make a difference It won't spread. It's nearly impossible to get a large enough body of machines to make it an epidemic in the Linux world in general [01:52] so it's harden to make a virus for it [01:53] Daskreech: i know, it was a joke [01:53] ahhh.... so basically linux is supior in ways of security and openess, but that is kind of down to the fact that its a small percentage of the pc market/userbase? [01:53] S74rk7: Linux changes at a crazy rate. There is a new release for Linux every 3 months as opposed to every 1-4 years for windows depending on how you count [01:53] yes, sort of S74rk7 [01:53] S74rk7: No [01:54] still, you can get rooted if you're not careful [01:54] Even if Linux was the only thing used the impact of viruses would be stunted [01:54] but as I said this is on a standing far back looking at everything scale [01:54] An individual can still be compromised [01:55] But that will likely not affect any of the other machines on the network and most of the time won't even affect the other users on the same machine [01:55] So if you and your family share one computer you can have your son get a virus and everyone else is fine [01:56] most of the tiem you can just make a new user and that pretty much solves the problem assuming that you are lax enough to not want to clean it up [01:57] Esp in the Windows world it has the dual problem that everyone is root all the time. So compromising one person instantly compromises the whole computer [01:57] dont get me wrong - I think Linux is far superior to the end user for many different reasons... the angle in which I was describing above is the view of those who would set out to cause destruction or play a prank with malicious code on a bigger scale? kind of showing off to a bigger crown kind of idea? [01:57] and second all the Windows computers are the same and very hard to change so if you find a way to break one Windows machine you have found how to break nearly all the windows machines that exist [01:58] S74rk7: Where ever there are people there are things of interest. Viruses on windows started out being feats of showmanship. Now they are huge business with lots of money behind them [01:59] THe same would be true if Linux was the major OS. Getting people's information or stealing Computer power gives you a lot of opportunites to get money [01:59] Just that the lives of people who do that would be a lot harder [01:59] Daskreech: the never ending battle between good v evil lol [02:00] S74rk7: Philosphical tonight eh? :) [02:01] Daskreech: just I like your insight into things - triggers thoughts of in my head - we both must be feel Pholosphical - or this is the channel right here .... stay tuned folks.... we're soon going to solve the worlds problems lol [02:01] lol [02:01] rofl [02:01] :) at least the techinical ones [02:01] Personal problems need some personal input [02:01] !info iqfirewall [02:01] Package iqfirewall does not exist in maverick [02:01] hm [02:02] does it mean that 3 processors was in using and now i changed to 2 yes ? [02:02] taskset -p -c 0,1 15997 [02:02] pid 15997's current affinity list: 0-2 [02:02] pid 15997's new affinity list: 0,1 [02:02] m477: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [02:03] bk... making a cuppa [02:04] Personal problems need some personal input? [02:06] you think that guy got his HP printer setup? [02:06] :) [02:07] Maybe [02:07] SHould ask if can't get anything progressing [02:07] I see how this is a cool place to learn already! Wish I tried this way earlier [02:09] I thought the ideas of chatroom support etc had kind of died out... you know - you never hear of as many people in chatrooms of any kind these days! [02:09] We may be ananchronistic but that's the way we like it. [02:10] All we ask is that you don't expect us to do your work for you. [02:10] which command can i check who is logged ? [02:10] m477: who [02:11] Or just w. [02:11] Which I'll just note is two different commands [02:11] and what is pts/1 , 2,3 etc [02:11] m477: your Konsoles [02:11] they are pseudo-terminals. [02:11] Close a tab and one of them will disapper [02:11] oh y [02:12] Seems completely fair :) [02:12] m477: Scared me too the first time I saw it :) [02:12] S74rk7: It's surprising the number of folks who think that they don't have to think. Or do any work. [02:12] :) [02:13] is any other commend to check processor usage in more detail then top? [02:14] htop [02:14] I've too much geek, I want to go learn why you do something this way and why that lol [02:14] DarthFrog: i dont have [02:14] S74rk7: You've fallen in with kindred spirits here, then. :-) [02:14] S74rk7: Welcome, young padwan. [02:15] m477: Then you need to do: sudo apt-get install htop. [02:15] DarthFrog: I knew I'd find a home in Linux lol [02:15] i dont have root permission [02:16] i just want to know how many processor im using [02:16] m477: Ah, easily solved. When running top, press "1". [02:17] S74rk7: Learn about man pages (short for manual). There is a fount of much wisdom in the man pages. [02:17] oh thx :P [02:19] i changed numbers of using processors and still it is using 1, http://paste.ubuntu.com/584587/ [02:19] DarthFrog: I have a question actually - is there a place where I can source offline copies of man pages? for example... I want to know the basic commands from within a terminal/konsole - can I not get a bible from somewhere on my laptop (you know hidden somewhere in a dir etc) that I can simply print off and study? [02:20] do you know why? [02:20] DarthFrog: The force is strong with me I assure you :) [02:21] S74rk7: I would recommend you pick up a copy of O'Reilly's "Linux In A Nutshell". it's exactly what you want. [02:21] DarthFrog: It like learning a different language - have to start from scratch, but when you get up and running, then the fun really begins :) lol [02:22] S74rk7: And if you want to master the command line, "Learning The BASH Shell" is excellent. [02:22] S74rk7: the man pages are offline. They are from your computer [02:22] * DarthFrog notes that although he hasn't yet mastered the command line, what mastery he does have is enormously enabling. [02:23] DarthFrog: Nice... thanking you! :) You have no idea how much of help your being here!! Stuff on the net can be confusing.... so much information and sometime you dont know which book would be best to read first! :) [02:23] m477: what are you trying to do? [02:24] Daskreech: im trying to affinity 2 from 4 processors to this proces [02:24] m477: Is the app coded to use more than one processor? Just because you have a SMP system doesn't in any way mean that any particular app knows how to do SMP. [02:25] DarthFrog: i dont know what is SMP, but im sure that it can [02:26] S74rk7: Here's a hint: If you show that you've put in effort to solve a problem/learn the tech behind your problem, you'll find techie folks delighted to help you. [02:26] m477: Symmetric Multi-Processing. [02:27] oh [02:27] DarthFrog: like now - where I'm trying to find my man pages offline? I'm in /usr/man so far - googling just a simple "ubuntu man pages location" isnt giving it away too much, so still fishing around...I'll find it though [02:28] S74rk7: press alt+f2 and type man:/ [02:28] so do you have any idea why doesnt it work? [02:28] S74rk7: Just type "man man who ? [02:29] ohh... lol - oh that was easy... hey at least I was looking lol [02:29] I was pretty close lol [02:29] thanks guys [02:29] m477: Daskreech's suggestion is excellent, too. [02:30] Oops, that was intended for S74rk7. :-) [02:30] which suggestion [02:30] S74rk7: Also, learn the basic use of regexes. (regular expressions). [02:30] oh [02:32] nice!!! thanks everyone for your help... god everything seems to be in the man pages - I just never knew where they were or how to find em... [02:33] S74rk7: You can just type man [02:33] theres an idea - out of the box... why doesn't ubuntu place a shortcut or application that will let them easily flick through the man pages [02:33] You are not intended to flick through [02:34] what regexes? [02:34] and it would honestly be much more confusing to people than the release notes which they do link to [02:34] S74rk7: Regular Expressions. It's a language to describe languages [02:34] very powerful when working with computers [02:35] or patterns rather not languages [02:35] what is it I need to learn about regexes? [02:35] S74rk7: Regexes are a Swiss army knife of pattern matching. They are the single most incredibly useful tool in the Unix system administrators toolbox. [02:35] S74rk7: *.* is a regex. [02:36] DarthFrog: well, no it isn't. [02:36] frogonwheels: You disagree? What would you put forth? [02:36] DarthFrog: [a-z]* or .* are more like regex [02:37] m477: I'm still not sure what you are doing [02:37] DarthFrog: *.* isn't a valid regex, the first * has no atom before it. [02:37] you guys are really gurus at the linux stuff arent you? thanks for the patience you're having in answering my questions which probably seem so basic for yourselves :) [02:37] frogonwheels: Are you disagreeing with *.* being a regex or my statement of utility? [02:37] DarthFrog: the first [02:37] DarthFrog: *.* being a regex. I love regexes. [02:37] technically that's globbing :) [02:38] Globs are not regex but they look a lot alike [02:38] Daskreech: thanks - I was trying to remember what it was called. [02:38] S74rk7: We were all newbies once. With experience. you'll be helping others, which is what we want. [02:38] Globbing. Yeah, OK. [02:38] ^_^ [02:38] * Daskreech hugs DarthFrog [02:38] It's a regex used for globbing. :-) [02:39] Daskreech: regex saw globs, and said 'wow, that's a cool idea, but I think we can improve on that a lot' [02:39] ha ha more like they are cousins [02:39] :) indeed [02:40] .. and if you had to do globbing with regexes, there'd be a world of pain for newbs. [02:40] S74rk7: Ignore that last little bit. it was a discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :-) [02:40] Oh definately - I have already helped 2-3 people out with installing the same wifi card as me... Broadcom... and I'm a newbie... [02:40] Tho' they're right. [02:42] S74rk7: see.. 'experienced' is a very relative term. [02:42] or subjective perhaps? [02:49] Daskreech: im running program, and i want to affinity 2 processors for it [02:49] the man pages I'm opening from /usr/share/man/man1/ are opening in ark.... should I leave it that way or will I do any harm in having them set to open in kate for example? [02:54] why I want to change it is... when they open in ark... it takes 2 clicks to view the contents.... [02:55] sounds silly but I just wondering? [02:57] S74rk7: Whatever works and gives you the info. You can also try xman. [02:59] i just loaded MenuetOS on Qemu [02:59] written entirely in Assembly Language [03:09] I've downloaded xMan.tgz from a website - I guess I gotta compile it and install it - as it just looks like a zip file the way I got it? [03:15] I've ran the command tar xvfz Xman.tgz... then "cd man" to go into the dir... but there are no ./configure or make files? [03:16] am I doing something wrong or am I going the wrong way about it - reading a guide on the net to compiling software from source from .tgz file? [03:23] I had a small question for anyone who is generous and willing to help someone out with a favor- im in die hard need of Linux material prefferably text book -teaching or unbuntu books that show you and help you learn how to properly use these, just old books will do that nobody else may want. if anyone has some old material laying around and wouldn't mind loaning or just giveing them to me could you msg me or maybe help out some other [03:23] way. ive got the GUmff to learn just im pretty broke and very much could use the material if someone has some and they got no more use for it. anyways msg me if you could [03:23] thanks [03:23] dustin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [03:24] dustin: The internet is full of free tutorials [03:25] what i need thou ben is a actual book. something to use off the internet and i need one badly like a actual text book if they even exist. :( [03:25] Library? [03:26] << eBay [03:26] heh no money sadly cause im going through a bad divorce. im lucky i can afford the internet :( [03:26] Libraries have interlibrary loans [03:26] meaning ? [03:26] You ask your library to borrow the book you want fom a bigger one [03:27] thas possible maybe id prefer to get one but that might work? is there any thing like that for ubuntu specifcally? [03:28] No idea, but probably 100's of them. At the library they will help you search for one. [03:28] Find the one you want on Amazon and tell the library the ISDN number of the book [03:29] it might work i guess. thanks [03:29] isdn ? [03:29] Sorry, ISBN. look it up in Wikipedia [03:31] k [03:31] thanks ben :) [03:32] YW, gotta reboot cya [03:39] !info xman [03:39] Package xman does not exist in maverick [03:39] dustin: What are you trying to learn? [03:40] S74rk7: Hmm intersting [03:40] S74rk7: Oh Man pages are all compressed. The man command auto uncompresses them for you everything else just sees them as compressed files [03:50] Daskreech: thanks for the info regarding xman - at the minute I'm trying to learn how to compile software from source...and also source a copy of that oreillys Linux in a Nutshell lol [03:51] everything basically daskreech, i want to learn file paths file names where it all is and how to compile my uncompiled programs im gettin very frustrated about it. hence why i pleaded with someone for some old books if they got them [03:51] S74rk7: I didn't tell you anything about xman that was DarthFrog [03:51] opps... sorry about that [03:51] dustin: wow. Ok what programs are you compiling? === vbman1 is now known as vbman2 [03:51] DarthFrog: thank you very much for the info regarding xman - I thought it was something I was doing wrong... [03:52] well this one game i found [03:52] i wish there was a way to list all packages/downled files that need compileing and just do em all :( [03:53] dustin, you might want to check out project neon [03:53] whats that valorie ? [03:53] in general, however, it isn't necessary to compile *everything* -- even for developers [03:54] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/ [03:54] My Lucid won't start X Windows withoiut a monitor plugged in. The monitor can be powered off, but it has to have something plugged into the video port. Any way to tell X (and thus KDE) to run without the display? I'm kind of suprised about this because X used to run off mainframes to multiple terminals. The reason I need this is to run x11vnc in my ~/.kde/Autostart automatically on reboot. [03:54] i know its just go to so many left out packages etc that it aint funny i tried doing it from xwindows-/aka gnome but gave up on that idea pretty fast. [03:55] I want to be able to go to the intel website - get the drivers for my grfx card in source, compile them... uninstall my current nvidia drivers that are in use... its like Kubuntu has detected the wrong grfx card when installing linux... using nvidia drivers, and I cant change my resolution any higher than 1366x768 - when I have spoke with other people who have the same grfx chipset as me and are able to achive higher [03:55] resolutions [03:55] !headless [03:55] valorie: It boots and I can PuTTY. [03:56] hmm, well, google for headless KDE [03:56] I'm sure it can be done [03:56] S74rk7: Bleah [03:56] anyone know roughly how to load a picture into blender after you cut it from a webpage? or if thats possible? [03:56] ubottu doesn't know about it though [03:56] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:56] thanks, I didn't think of "headless" [03:56] m477: You want to get one program to run on two processors? [03:57] dustin: did you try to build-dep ? [03:57] your speaking greek dask :) im so damn lost [03:57] ubottu: Don't be so down on yourself. You are certainly more intelligent than an ant! [03:57] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:58] Daskreech: Bleah? [03:58] S74rk7: try sudo lshw -C video [03:58] S74rk7: Expression of disgust [03:58] dustin: Which game are you compiling? [03:59] nexuiz dask [03:59] !info nexuiz [03:59] nexuiz (source: nexuiz): A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.2-2build1 (maverick), package size 784 kB, installed size 1936 kB [03:59] dustin: ^^^ [03:59] or atleast how do i install it or whatever im so friggin confused. [04:00] dustin: if you want you can install it through the GUI or the command line [04:00] which ever you like [04:00] Daskreech: ran that command in konsole n my cards is listed as Intel Mobile 4 Chipset.... [04:00] tried GUI not happening apparently. so id like to attempt it terminal if possible might help me learn more. [04:01] S74rk7: can you pastebin the output of lsmod [04:01] !paste | S74rk7 [04:01] S74rk7: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [04:01] dustin: tell me what happened when you tried it on the GUI [04:02] notta i looked around but couldn't a find a install file and b it would just open it to source code for some weird reason so im waay confused. [04:04]