[00:07] <arand> lifeless: Sorry, was away, just read through the backlog, yea, I will be keeping the PPA closed. I'm sorry if I have kind of stirred up a storm here...
[00:07] <lifeless> arand: not at all
[00:07] <lifeless> arand: now we're aware of our confusion, we can fix it
[02:00] <psusi> any idea when staging is going to be back up?
[02:01] <wgrant> psusi: Probably not for another day or two. You can't use qastaging?
[02:01] <psusi> doh... use what?
[02:01] <psusi> qastaging eh?  what's the difference?  not heard of that one before
[02:02] <wgrant> qastaging is pretty similar to staging, except the DB gets restored less frequently.
[02:02] <psusi> hrm... ok
[02:03] <psusi> I guess I can change my python script to use that instead too then...
[02:03] <psusi> hrm... what name do you use instead of staging when calling Launchpad.login_with() for live?
[02:03] <wgrant> Old launchpadlibs don't know about qastaging, so you'll have to use 'https://api.qastaging.launchpad.net/' instead of 'qastaging'.
[02:04] <psusi> hrm... ok
[02:07] <psusi> wgrant, so what string do you use for live?
[02:07] <wgrant> psusi: 'production'
[02:07] <psusi> thanks
[03:45] <MTecknology> yay spam.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/86217/comments/22
[03:46] <StevenK> Looking
[03:46] <StevenK> MTecknology: Should be hidden, thanks
[03:47] <MTecknology> :)
[04:29] <nigelb> I'm guessing the text, which is the cause for bug 720869, is set at LP.
[04:29] <nigelb> How do we change that text?
[04:29] <lifeless> ISD
[04:29] <lifeless> #canonical-isd I think
[04:29] <nigelb> Aha, thanks lifeless :)
[04:29] <lifeless> there is now no launchpad login service - its the ubuntu SSO
[04:29] <nigelb> oh, technically so lp doesn't do anything there
[04:29] <nigelb> I guess we just got used to it being LP :)
[04:30] <lifeless> oh, it does - the sprint data is in LP, just not the login step :)
[04:31] <nigelb> yeah, the one bit that confuses us all :D
[04:33] <wgrant> lifeless: It's still called the Launchpad Login Service.
[04:35] <poolie> i thought only privileged users could move things out of being Opinion
[04:35] <poolie> wasn't that the whole point?
[04:44] <lifeless> opinion was done as an experiment
[04:44] <lifeless> flacoste has mentioned removing it again, pending ok from above
[04:49] <poolie> sure
[04:49] <poolie> but, i thought part of the experiment was that it would lock the status
[04:49] <poolie> i guess i misunderstood
[04:50]  * wgrant also thought that was the case.
[04:51] <poolie> probably just a 'locked' button would be better
[04:51] <lifeless> I suspect it fell by the wayside
[04:52] <lifeless> the psychological part was the argument that folk would understand 'difference of opinion' but in fact users then wanted the bug to show up in bug searches for open bugs etc
[04:53] <poolie> mm
[04:54] <lifeless> there is a bug (closed as Opinion) that says 'bugs closed as opinion do not show up in bug searches'
[04:54] <poolie> haha
[04:54] <poolie> i don't really care about it either way, i was just surprised
[04:55] <poolie> istm fewer statuses is better; also this will probably not act as a lightning rod in the way that was hoped
[04:55] <lifeless> contentious issues are contentious
[04:55] <lifeless> reminds me, I should make a new bug/LEP with my analysis of status/user confusion etc
[04:56] <ScottK> Please make opinion go away.
[04:56] <ScottK> That's my opinion, anyway.
[05:01] <StevenK> What do you prefer?
[05:01] <StevenK> Oh, that's right, Bugzilla
[05:01]  * StevenK hides
[05:02] <StevenK> ScottK: Sadly, we can't please everyone.
[05:03] <wgrant> ScottK: I think most of us want Opinion to go away...
[05:04] <ScottK> StevenK: I'm willing to conceed that LP bug tracking is better than Bugzilla in most respects.
[05:06] <ScottK> It's got sourceforge beat in all respects.
[07:21] <geser> wgrant: what's the issue with the FTBFS report you want to talk about? (lifeless mentioned yesterday you want to talk to me about it)
[14:43] <brendand> hello
[14:43] <brendand> i posted a comment to a question but accidently hit 'answer'
[14:43] <brendand> how do i revert it
[14:43] <verwilst> hello
[14:44] <brendand> the question is not answered
[14:44] <brendand> i just mean to ask for more info
[14:44] <verwilst> trying to upload a package with a fixed source tarball, but keep getting "File php-sphinx_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz already exists in PPA for Bart Verwilst, but uploaded version has different contents."..  i tried removing my package from the ppa and then doing a new upload, but still have the same issue.. any hints? :)
[14:48] <jcsackett> verwilst: one second, i'm looking up an answer for you.
[14:49] <maxb> verwilst: If you change the content of a file in a PPA, you *must* use a new version number. No exceptions, ever.
[14:49] <verwilst> jcsackett, thanks :)
[14:49] <verwilst> hm :(
[14:49] <verwilst> i made it work before though :P
[14:49] <jcsackett> brendand: which question is it? i believe i can change the question status for you.
[14:49] <maxb> If there are exceptions, they are bugs.
[14:50] <verwilst> but i have no version of the package in my ppa anymore
[14:50] <verwilst> so it's actually a 'new' package again
[14:50] <verwilst> my initial upload never worked anyways
[14:50] <verwilst> which is why i had to change my source tarball
[14:50] <maxb> This does not matter. Launchpad still knows
[14:50] <brendand> jcsackett -  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/150180
[14:50] <jcsackett> verwilst: maxb is correct.
[14:51] <bigjools> verwilst: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/990
[14:51] <brendand> jcsackett - also delete my last two comments if you want :)
[14:51] <verwilst> "Yes you can, but you *must* increase the package's version. "
[14:51] <verwilst> package as in orig.tar.gz or packages as in pkg-1.0-0ppa5?
[14:52] <maxb> You must increase the version, of whichever component you are changing
[14:52] <bigjools> verwilst: no file with the same version can be re-uploaded with a different md5sum to before
[14:52] <verwilst> so i have to rename the source tarball..
[14:52] <verwilst> will that still work?
[14:52] <bigjools> so if you change the orig tarball, bump its version
[14:52] <verwilst> doesnt it expect a certain name?
[14:53] <bigjools> you can call it what you like
[14:53] <verwilst> php-sphinx_1.1.0-1.orig.tar.gz then?
[14:55] <bigjools> that sort of thing
[14:55] <jcsackett> brendand: i cannot, actually. if you would like the comments &c removed, please open a question on answers.launchpad.net/answers with the relevant details, and i can get it assigned to the appropriate people.
[14:55] <jcsackett> er, answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[14:57] <verwilst> "This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;"
[14:58] <verwilst> i'll package it as a bz2 then :P
[15:04] <brendand> jcsackett - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/150298
[15:20] <jcsackett> brendand: thanks.
[15:22] <brendand> jcsackett - ubot5 doesn't seem to get the difference between bugs and questions
[15:22] <jcsackett> brendand: no, not really.
[15:27] <aboudreault> Hi, Can we see PPA stats somehow?
[15:27] <aboudreault> Like how it is used etc..
[15:27] <aboudreault> how many times a packages has been downloaded.
[15:31] <bigjools> aboudreault: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/tracking-ppa-download-statistics
[15:31] <aboudreault> thx
[15:48] <rdale__> i've just set up a launchpad account. i wanted my name for commits to be 'rdale' but it seems that there is already an 'rdale' in the system. I suspect that it is me, but it would have probably been set up with my old work email address which doesn't work anymore. is there any way to find out what happened?
[15:55] <benji> rdale__: this is a drive by (in other words, I can't help much right now but have a thought): does this look like you? https://edge.launchpad.net/~rdale
[15:55] <rdale__> yes, that's the account i set up today
[15:56] <benji> I don't think so.  It says Member since: 2007-04-20
[15:56] <rdale__> no sorry - i was looking at the wrong web page, let me try again
[15:57] <rdale__> yes, the 2007 rdale is me too
[15:59] <benji> ok, now that we've established that the rdale account is the one you lost access to we can proceed to the next step -- which I don't know what that is so I'll leave that to jcsackett :P
[15:59]  * benji runs away.
[15:59] <rdale__> thanks
[16:01] <jcsackett> rdale__: logged in as the account you want to use, you can request a merge of the other account via https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[16:01] <rdale__> thanks - i'll try that
[16:01] <jcsackett> rdale__: sure. ping me if you run into any issues.
[16:02] <rdale__> ah: "You must have access to the e-mail address registered under the other account that you want to remove" - i don't have access to my old work account as i've moved jobs
[16:03] <jcsackett> rdale__: ah, that would be a problem.
[16:03] <jcsackett> rdale__: what's your new account?
[16:04] <rdale__> my new launchpad id is richard-j-dale
[16:06] <jcsackett> rdale__: basically, would like to to be ~rdale on launchpad, right?
[16:06] <rdale__> yes please
[16:08] <jcsackett> rdale__: okay, since neither the old account or your new account is affiliated with any mailing lists or ppas or anything i can do that. one sec.
[16:08] <jcsackett> rdale__: done.
[16:09] <rdale__> great - thanks a lot!
[17:04] <om26er> i have not received any bug mail in the last hour, anything bad happened?
[17:06] <micahg> I can confirm that
[17:06]  * micahg also has had no bugmail in the past hour
[17:06] <micahg> jcsackett: ^^
[17:07] <jcsackett> micahg, om26er: investigating now.
[17:47] <maxb> jcsackett: Hi. What do you think about https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/150241 ? Is it L_O_S_A time to look for oddities in the database?
[17:47] <maxb> gah, ubot5 really needs to learn the difference between questions and bugs
[17:50] <jcsackett> maxb: i don't know that it's losa time yet. i am currently looking at a possible issue with bugmail. i will soon take a longer look at that in more detail.
[17:52] <mounir> Is there a way to change the clomns displayed on the screen when we do search?
[17:52] <mounir> s/clomns/columns/
[17:54] <jcsackett> mounir: bug search?
[17:54] <mounir> yes
[17:56] <jcsackett> mounir: there is a bug open for adding the ability to specify which columns you see (bug 78608) but the feature does not exist yet.
[17:57] <mounir> jcsackett, any outlook as to when this feature will be there?
[17:57] <james_w> it's in the stakeholder's queue too, so will be scheduled for work in the next few months
[17:57] <jcsackett> mounir: ^
[17:59] <mounir> jcsackett, James_w, thx - another question (last one :-) ) can I create a random group add random users to that gorup, then search on the group?
[17:59] <jcsackett> mounir: i am not sure i understand your question.
[18:00] <mounir> jcsackett, say I create a group called g1 then add to that group u1, u2, u3. can I search on the bugs owned by u1, u2,u3 doing search on the group?
[18:01] <james_w> yes, though I'm not sure that there is a search for "assigned to users in this team"
[18:01] <james_w> plus you will cause them to get mail, so you don't want to be doing too much of it
[18:04] <mounir> james_w, how to I search on the group? and why they get emails?
[18:05] <james_w> mounir, emails are sent whenever you add someone to a team
[18:05] <mounir> james_w, so that is one time occurrance no issue there
[18:06] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~linaro-toolchain-wg
[18:06] <james_w> assignment isn't transitive there though, so it probably doesn't do what you want anyway
[18:07] <mounir> James_w, can you please elaborate, I did not get it
[18:08] <james_w> mounir, I assume you want to see any bug assigned to any member of the team?
[18:09] <mounir> james_w, yes
[18:10] <james_w> mounir, well, if you click on the "List assigned bugs" link on the right of the page that I just linked to you will see that it returns only a single bug
[18:11] <james_w> that bug is assigned to the team itself, the page doesn't list any bugs assigned to the team members
[18:13] <mounir> James_w, that is not good, it defeat the purpose of what I want
[18:14] <mounir> James_w, we should have an option to recurse over the members,
[18:14] <mounir> james_w,  thank you that answers my question
[18:17] <james_w> bug 396319
[18:17] <james_w> mounir, ^
[18:18] <mounir> james_w, I would make it higher than low, specially I bet it is needed for the Metric proposal !
[18:30] <james_w> mounir, email sent to ask for it to be fixed soon
[18:31] <james_w> mounir, we don't require it for metrics
[18:41] <aboudreault> If we update a package X, can we simply now rebuild the packages Y,Z that depends on the package X with a simple click in the UI?
[18:51] <mounir> James_w, thank you
[23:16] <fta> is there a problem with the ftp server? i can't upload anymore
[23:16] <fta> tried 3 times: 54610k/184163k, 103607k/184163k, 52639k/184163k
[23:16] <fta> all stuck
[23:19] <lifeless> geser: it needs to be rewritten
[23:19] <lifeless> geser: its timing out, and its going to get worse not better
[23:21] <fta> what's the incoming dir for sftp uploads? (regular, not ppas)
[23:30] <fta> nm, worked at the 4th try, by redirecting stdout to a file. maybe the upload progress was flooding my ssh session
[23:30] <fta> weird, 1st time it happened
[23:30] <wgrant> fta: The upload paths for SFTP are the same as FTP: /ubuntu for the primary archive.
[23:31] <fta> wgrant, for the primary archive with ftp, it's /
[23:31] <wgrant> Well, either will work.
[23:31] <fta> at least, that's what i have in /etc/dput*
[23:31] <wgrant> Right.
[23:31] <wgrant> has been deprecated since 2007.
[23:31] <wgrant> But it still works.
[23:32] <wgrant> And I guess nobody every fixed dput.
[23:32] <fta> but / doesn't work with sftp
[23:32] <wgrant> Huh.
[23:32] <fta> Good signature on /data/bot/ppa/chromium-browser_10.0.648.204~r79063-0ubuntu1.dsc.
[23:32] <fta> Uploading to ssh-ubuntu (via sftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[23:32] <fta>   chromium-browser_10.0.648.204~r79063-0ubuntu1.dsc:
[23:32] <fta> open failed
[23:32] <fta> E: Error uploading file.