| nigelb | jussi is back? :) | 07:13 |
|---|---|---|
| dpm | good morning everyone! | 07:27 |
| nigelb | Morning dpm :) | 07:29 |
| dpm | hey, good morning nigelb :) | 07:29 |
| duanedesign | morning all | 07:32 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:33 |
| nigelb | hola duanedesign, and hey dholbach | 07:34 |
| nigelb | dholbach: so coming to India this winter? ;) | 07:34 |
| dholbach | hi nigelb, hi duanedesign | 07:34 |
| dholbach | there's no current plans - but the pictures reminded me that I'd love to go again | 07:34 |
| nigelb | heh :) | 07:35 |
| kim0 | Morning o/ | 08:03 |
| kim0 | dholbach: nigelb dpm Howdy | 08:03 |
| dholbach | hey kim0 | 08:04 |
| dpm | hey kim0, dholbach! | 08:04 |
| duanedesign | 266 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded. | 08:05 |
| duanedesign | someone hasn't run updates in awhile :) | 08:06 |
| nigelb | hey kim0 :) | 08:08 |
| kim0 | hey | 08:08 |
| nigelb | how was day 1 of cloud day? | 08:09 |
| kim0 | nigelb: It was pretty good actually :) very good sessions, and around 220 attendees .. interesting | 08:09 |
| kim0 | Most sessions leasd didn't know anything about classbot though :) | 08:10 |
| kim0 | although I did email them about it | 08:10 |
| nigelb | kim0: don't worry, its usual :( | 08:10 |
| kim0 | luckily Pendulum helped with that | 08:10 |
| nigelb | We'rve done our best to get people to read. | 08:10 |
| kim0 | hehe yeah .. luckily it's really easy !q !y only .. otherwise we'd be in trouble | 08:11 |
| nigelb | kim0: At every uud and uow we try to figure out how to make it more easier, and we always fail. | 08:22 |
| nigelb | kim0: now 'm thinking we should write something like IRC classroom leader client :p | 08:22 |
| nigelb | which talks to classbot and shows next question, etc | 08:22 |
| nigelb | :p | 08:22 |
| kim0 | hehe | 08:31 |
| kim0 | lernid take2 ? | 08:31 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 09:08 |
| duanedesign | o/ | 09:09 |
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| czajkowski | paultag: ping | 11:54 |
| === nigelbabu is now known as nigelb | ||
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| paultag | czajkowski: pong | 12:38 |
| paultag | czajkowski: morning :) | 12:39 |
| czajkowski | paultag: se pm please | 12:42 |
| paultag | oh, aye, sorry, browser was covering that up | 12:42 |
| czajkowski | np | 12:42 |
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| jono | jcastro, quick call? | 15:37 |
| jcastro | Joeb454: yep | 15:37 |
| jcastro | jono: yep | 15:37 |
| jcastro | Joeb454: whoops, sorry | 15:38 |
| Joeb454 | jcastro: you can call me if you really want ;) | 15:39 |
| dholbach | kim0, good luck! :) | 15:51 |
| kim0 | dholbach: hehe thanks | 15:51 |
| dholbach | kim0, I'll mention it in my screencast too | 15:52 |
| kim0 | great :) | 15:52 |
| jcastro | czajkowski: update, NOW you should be set. | 16:15 |
| popey | WOOOOOOOOO JCASTRO! WOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! | 16:16 |
| jcastro | popey: ? | 16:17 |
| * popey runs up to jcastro and cuddles him | 16:17 | |
| * czajkowski hugs jcastro | 16:18 | |
| czajkowski | yay | 16:18 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: will do an update when I get home | 16:18 |
| czajkowski | and it doesnt work I may curl up and ball my eyes out :) | 16:18 |
| jcastro | no, it all works now | 16:19 |
| jcastro | it's actually running awesome now | 16:19 |
| czajkowski | I'm holding you to this :) | 16:19 |
| dholbach | jcastro, <ElricL> Do we need to know vala to hack on unity? | 16:24 |
| dholbach | I don't know the answer | 16:24 |
| jcastro | no | 16:26 |
| jcastro | C++ is fine | 16:27 |
| jcastro | unity and compiz are all C++ | 16:27 |
| jcastro | there's vala in there for some parts | 16:27 |
| jcastro | dholbach: ^ | 16:27 |
| dholbach | thanks jcastro | 16:28 |
| jcastro | dholbach: if he wants to write a lens, he can use python too | 16:28 |
| dholbach | nice | 16:30 |
| czajkowski | I really could eat my body weight in choclate today, which is a lot and really not wise :( | 16:38 |
| jcastro | man | 16:39 |
| jcastro | I want chocolate now | 16:39 |
| czajkowski | I've eaten nearly a box of taffy today | 16:39 |
| czajkowski | sticky yummy addictive stuff | 16:39 |
| jcastro | akgraner: is pete within voice distance of you? | 16:46 |
| akgraner | jcastro, yes | 16:46 |
| jcastro | akgraner: tell him I just broke the bank on a pair of Rush tickets, but it will be worth it. | 16:46 |
| jcastro | first time | 16:46 |
| jcastro | he should flash you horns or do some kind of man grunt | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: did you see AW over the weekend O.M.G | 16:46 |
| akgraner | jcastro, I told him...he's going to see Rush on 1 April | 16:47 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, nope :-( | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: would you like the link :D | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | and I suggest you be prepared | 16:48 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, yeppers thanks! | 16:49 |
| czajkowski | done | 16:50 |
| czajkowski | :D | 16:50 |
| czajkowski | sunday cant come fast enough | 16:50 |
| akgraner | I'll have to find some time though I am not sure when..:-/ but I'll figure it out | 16:51 |
| Technoviking | jcastro: saw Geddy Lee at a used bookstore a couple years ago before a Rush concert in Salt Lake | 16:51 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: find 40 mins! | 16:52 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, I'll work on that...:-) | 16:56 |
| akgraner | I learned about "invisible" windows today..had never had that happen before it was both cool and confusing..now to figure out what triggered it... | 16:57 |
| czajkowski | oh I might be buying a car :D | 16:59 |
| czajkowski | bah wrong window | 16:59 |
| dholbach | ok my friends - I'm done for today, just babbled for a whole hour :) | 17:10 |
| dholbach | see you all tomorrow | 17:10 |
| dholbach | big hugs | 17:10 |
| czajkowski | dholbach: bye! | 17:11 |
| * popey leaves a comment on http://askubuntu.com/questions/31877/how-do-i-turn-on-unity-drag-handles | 17:17 | |
| * popey chuckles at the gobby mail to -devel | 18:19 | |
| jcastro | Daviey: see ubuntu-devel wrt. gobby | 18:21 |
| jcastro | this conversation will be awesome | 18:21 |
| jcastro | but I won't comment yet. :) | 18:21 |
| === daker is now known as daker_ | ||
| AlanBell | who is the James he is addressing? | 18:25 |
| popey | Elmo | 18:26 |
| jcastro | we should get popcorn | 18:26 |
| Pendulum | haha | 18:26 |
| Pendulum | jcastro: for throwing or consuming? ;P | 18:27 |
| * popey wonders if Daviey's etherpad is gonna get a kicking from that :D | 18:27 | |
| jcastro | seriously, EC2 an etherpad for UDS. DONE. | 18:28 |
| jcastro | I didn't know we had google docs for ubuntu.com btw | 18:28 |
| jcastro | we could tag things up | 18:28 |
| jcastro | we'd have SEARCH | 18:28 |
| jcastro | man ... | 18:28 |
| popey | we cant | 18:28 |
| popey | only canonical people have access | 18:29 |
| popey | AIUI | 18:29 |
| AlanBell | kim0: UDS etherpad on ec2 as a demo of the awesomeness of cloud . . . | 18:29 |
| jcastro | no I've gotten things from Amber before on there | 18:29 |
| popey | only if people make them public | 18:29 |
| jcastro | popey: and for UDS you could probably open up the access a bit to allow non ubuntu.com address holding people to take notes, then close it up after again | 18:29 |
| popey | or explicitly share them | 18:29 |
| kim0 | AlanBell: true it is :) | 18:29 |
| jcastro | yeah but we can set that in the docs | 18:30 |
| popey | i.e. if I go to that url it asks me for a password | 18:30 |
| jcastro | we should just do that anyway if it's for ubuntu.com | 18:30 |
| popey | I would suspect there is sekret stuff in there right now | 18:30 |
| jcastro | no there isn't | 18:30 |
| jcastro | this is just google apps for ubuntu.com | 18:30 |
| popey | just guessing, I dont have access :) | 18:30 |
| jcastro | try to sign in | 18:30 |
| jcastro | I bet it lets you | 18:30 |
| popey | i did | 18:30 |
| popey | it does not | 18:30 |
| popey | i do not have a password | 18:30 |
| AlanBell | me too | 18:30 |
| jcastro | so how does akgraner get in? | 18:30 |
| popey | as i said | 18:31 |
| AlanBell | akgraner is special | 18:31 |
| popey | someone shared a doc with her | 18:31 |
| AlanBell | or that | 18:31 |
| popey | or its a public doc | 18:31 |
| popey | it tells me to contact my admin to get the password reset | 18:31 |
| * popey emails elmo | 18:31 | |
| popey | hahahahahahahaha | 18:31 |
| jcastro | https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHRObXc5b195Q1ljRnJTX0kzNjNqcUE&hl=en&authkey=CMKjtdIB#gid=0 | 18:31 |
| popey | course I dont | 18:31 |
| jcastro | can you guys see that? | 18:31 |
| akgraner | what did I do? | 18:31 |
| popey | yes | 18:31 |
| popey | look at the top of the screen | 18:32 |
| popey | "Anyone with this link" | 18:32 |
| jcastro | right | 18:32 |
| popey | thats the sharing option | 18:32 |
| popey | someone explicitly shared that document | 18:32 |
| jcastro | right but that's just a setting we can change | 18:32 |
| jcastro | we can say "anyone with ubuntu.com, have a go" | 18:32 |
| popey | well, yes, and no | 18:32 |
| popey | no, we cant | 18:32 |
| popey | without a password | 18:32 |
| akgraner | I created that document | 18:32 |
| AlanBell | interestingly Amber Graner is the owner | 18:32 |
| jcastro | I used my SSO password | 18:32 |
| popey | oooo | 18:33 |
| akgraner | that was who I intended to interview at one of the UDSs | 18:33 |
| * popey tries that | 18:33 | |
| jcastro | right | 18:33 |
| jcastro | so basically .... we have it. | 18:33 |
| popey | nope | 18:33 |
| jcastro | or not. | 18:33 |
| popey | i have no way to logon to that apps domain | 18:33 |
| Pendulum | jcastro: that also means that if separate sessions have separate docs, there has to be a Canonical person to set up each doc and set the permissions for viewing | 18:34 |
| popey | right.. i see | 18:34 |
| popey | amber created it not with her @ubuntu.com account | 18:34 |
| popey | but with her gmail account | 18:34 |
| jcastro | Pendulum: well, my idea would invole it being open to everyone | 18:34 |
| jcastro | there's a setting in there to make the whole thing public, I've admined google apps before | 18:35 |
| popey | i propose you bring that up with elmo | 18:35 |
| popey | i will supply the popcorn | 18:35 |
| AlanBell | so how did Amber's document get in to the ubuntu.com apps domain? | 18:36 |
| * Pendulum asks screen reader users which is more accessible googledocs or etherpad | 18:36 | |
| Pendulum | (since gobby used to be, but then the new version lost some accessibility) | 18:36 |
| jcastro | popey: if it's open to anyone with a google account at UDS then that would be fine | 18:37 |
| jcastro | but making it so only certain people can sign in is a non-starter | 18:37 |
| jcastro | though really what we need is pad.ubuntu.com on real hardware | 18:37 |
| AlanBell | however there was an explicit and documented decision by IS not to do that | 18:38 |
| jcastro | I plan on just using etherpad | 18:44 |
| jcastro | I'd rather get yelled at by IS than my manager for not having the notes for something that is important to me for the next SIX MONTHS. | 18:44 |
| * jcastro will save it for the mailing list. :) | 18:45 | |
| Pendulum | :) | 18:45 |
| * Pendulum gets out the snacks | 18:45 | |
| AlanBell | what I would like to see is a link on every session in summit to padurl/uds-o-day-time-room like http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/uds-o-monday-1000-antigua | 18:50 |
| jcastro | I know right | 18:50 |
| jcastro | and just put them all on one page | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | put them on the schedule http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-25/ | 18:51 |
| jcastro | yup | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | so the schedule itself is the index to the documentation | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | bring up summit, find where you should be, click the box, type notes | 18:52 |
| AlanBell | and the column headers on summit should be webchat.freenode.net links to the appropriate rooms | 18:52 |
| jcastro | the header thing is in a bugreport somewhere | 18:56 |
| jcastro | Pendulum: good news! | 19:54 |
| jcastro | Pendulum: I have more than a 10 minute warning for Q+A tomorrow | 19:54 |
| jcastro | and/or pleia2 or cjohnston | 19:57 |
| Pendulum | jcastro: I did get the name out of jono yesterday :) | 19:59 |
| Pendulum | or maybe tuesday | 19:59 |
| Pendulum | but that is very good news! | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | haha, good :) | 20:00 |
| jcastro | her irc is skaet | 20:00 |
| jcastro | and I just did a phone call with her explaining it | 20:00 |
| Pendulum | yep | 20:00 |
| jcastro | so she's a pro now | 20:00 |
| Pendulum | cool :) | 20:00 |
| jcastro | she's nervous since it's her first one | 20:00 |
| Pendulum | jcastro: do you want me to add you as a helper (or jono) | 20:01 |
| jcastro | also | 20:01 |
| jcastro | I am changing the time on the wiki to be 16:30 UTC | 20:01 |
| jcastro | since the fridge schedule is already out there | 20:01 |
| jcastro | Pendulum: both just in case please | 20:01 |
| Pendulum | done | 20:02 |
| jcastro | and like over 18 hours left to go! | 20:03 |
| Pendulum | heh | 20:03 |
| Pendulum | you've also got me and nigelb listed as helpers | 20:04 |
| jcastro | this one will be fun | 20:04 |
| jussi | o/ | 20:04 |
| Pendulum | hiya jussi :) | 20:05 |
| pleia2 | updated the title in the calendar entry too | 20:05 |
| Pendulum | yeah, I just did that | 20:05 |
| * jussi is back in .fi :) | 20:06 | |
| pleia2 | ok, I guess the changes hadn't been synced yet :) | 20:06 |
| Pendulum | haha | 20:06 |
| pleia2 | & breaks everything | 20:06 |
| greg-g | jcastro: you got my support on -devel ;) | 20:10 |
| jcastro | yeah! | 20:12 |
| greg-g | jcastro: crap! I'm being moderated :/ | 20:24 |
| jcastro | I am sure there's a ton in there | 20:24 |
| jcastro | heh | 20:24 |
| czajkowski | fried egg on toast is the dinner of winners | 20:36 |
| JFo | is that what Charlie Sheen is eating nowadays? ;-) | 20:39 |
| * czajkowski hugs JFo | 20:42 | |
| czajkowski | hello my dear | 20:42 |
| czajkowski | how is the writing coming along ? | 20:42 |
| * JFo hugs czajkowski | 20:42 | |
| JFo | very well thanks | 20:42 |
| JFo | I actually may be co-writing a book with a friend here before long | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | great 183 things need updating since this morning | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | JFo: oh what kind ? | 20:43 |
| JFo | we are going to be discussing it more in-depth | 20:43 |
| JFo | a historical fition | 20:43 |
| JFo | fiction* | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | I read typo very well, only way I understand myself :) | 20:43 |
| JFo | :) | 20:44 |
| JFo | the correction was more punishment for me ;) | 20:44 |
| czajkowski | come on updates hurry up | 20:44 |
| czajkowski | tired of seeing things crashed in the background :( | 20:44 |
| JFo | and I have about $400 worth of books I am getting for research on my big project | 20:44 |
| czajkowski | JFo: where do you find the time! | 20:45 |
| JFo | will help flesh out some details so I can get to the long bits | 20:45 |
| JFo | czajkowski, well, it usually strikes me when I should be sleeping | 20:45 |
| JFo | :) | 20:45 |
| czajkowski | hate_that! | 20:45 |
| JFo | I actually write the best stuff when I am tired | 20:45 |
| JFo | I hate it too :-( | 20:45 |
| JFo | was up all last night | 20:45 |
| JFo | I'm dead on my feet today | 20:46 |
| JFo | my brain seems to create character dialog when I let go of work stuff | 20:46 |
| JFo | it is very odd | 20:46 |
| JFo | but, I write something every day | 20:46 |
| JFo | short stories, poetry | 20:46 |
| czajkowski | I managed to be awake 30 hrs the last time travel England wales and ireland in one day back and forth and could only sleep for 3 hrs afterwards | 20:47 |
| czajkowski | JFo: really cool thing to be able to do | 20:47 |
| JFo | I wish I were better at it. :) | 20:48 |
| czajkowski | hmm | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | The following packages have been kept back: openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | wont remove for the last week | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | right reboot time | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | and if I dont come back we know it's all gone wrong | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | well that was less that good | 20:57 |
| czajkowski | 3 reboots later I got back on it kept hanging | 20:57 |
| * czajkowski hugs jcastro | 21:00 | |
| czajkowski | the ask Ubuntu rocks | 21:00 |
| jcastro | czajkowski: omg did you update and reboot | 21:03 |
| jcastro | you should be rocking now | 21:03 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: I did, did take a few reboots to get back on though | 21:03 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: I thought I'd be able to pull the icon out and drag it up higher | 21:03 |
| jcastro | which icon? | 21:03 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: ASk | 21:04 |
| czajkowski | I can do it for any other icon | 21:04 |
| jcastro | oh | 21:04 |
| jcastro | yeah, places are kind of "special" right now | 21:04 |
| czajkowski | ah ok | 21:04 |
| jcastro | I have some ideas for that for UDS | 21:04 |
| czajkowski | it's too far down for me | 21:04 |
| jcastro | yeah, right now the launcher is supposed to be | 21:04 |
| jcastro | button | 21:04 |
| jcastro | your apps | 21:04 |
| jcastro | places | 21:04 |
| czajkowski | ahh ok | 21:05 |
| jcastro | trash | 21:05 |
| czajkowski | my laptop my way :D | 21:05 |
| jcastro | whoops, and switcher above places | 21:05 |
| jcastro | yeah you'll note you can't shortcut it either, :-/ | 21:05 |
| czajkowski | aye :( | 21:05 |
| jcastro | but considering I just super and type and it uses the place anyway ... | 21:05 |
| czajkowski | kinda hidden away | 21:05 |
| czajkowski | file bug please :D | 21:05 |
| czajkowski | I'll mark me too :D | 21:06 |
| jcastro | I also want to drag a place on top of the button and make it the default place | 21:06 |
| jcastro | for example I want the applications place as my default when I press the button | 21:06 |
| jcastro | not huge icon city lense of doom | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | nods | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | that lense word keeps throwing me | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | :s | 21:06 |
| * Daviey screams | 21:15 | |
| JFo | same here | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | Daviey: I'm going on the podcast again :) | 21:16 |
| akgraner | woo hoo - gwibber is fixed for me - I reached 1gig of messages in the db and I reached some kind of critical mass point or something - and I learned about "vacuum" yay for learning... | 21:16 |
| JFo | akgraner, lol | 21:21 |
| akgraner | JFo ken said he had been waiting to have a test case db that was a worst case one | 21:22 |
| akgraner | he said I had over 1 million messages that were stored | 21:22 |
| akgraner | I tried to file a but and apport would just puke on collecting data | 21:22 |
| akgraner | s/but/bug | 21:23 |
| jcastro | why not just delete it and start over? | 21:32 |
| jcastro | surely you don't need tweets sitting around on disk | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | deleting stuff from desktopcouch synced with U1 is not as trivial as it might sound | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | can be done though | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | it is another of the "well I wouldn't have done it like that" moments you get from using Gwibber | 21:38 |
| jcastro | I wish I could go back in time to that session when we decided that was a good idea | 21:38 |
| jcastro | and kill Aq | 21:38 |
| popey | uhm | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | desktop couch is awesome | 21:39 |
| jcastro | and then punch my past self for thinking it was a good idea | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | but it isn't for that | 21:39 |
| popey | pretty sure the desktop couch implementation in gwibber is duff | 21:39 |
| jcastro | AlanBell: right | 21:39 |
| jcastro | I'm not binning the idea | 21:39 |
| popey | also, my gwibber db is >500MB now | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | it doesn't use map-reduce, it doesn't use views, it doesn't use the lucene indexing | 21:39 |
| jcastro | I am just saying, huge gwibber db = fail | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | using the twitter rest API and refreshing the streams fully every interval also sucks | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | and using webkit to render them looks pretty, but sucks | 21:40 |
| jcastro | I learned one thing about this mess (and I include the facebook broken mess in this) | 21:42 |
| jcastro | web ftw. | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | nah | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | desktop app is fine | 21:42 |
| jcastro | this gobby:etherpad argument is just the beginning. | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | in that instance etherpad wins | 21:43 |
| jcastro | for example, we could ship seesmic web as our twitter client | 21:43 |
| jcastro | in an app window | 21:43 |
| Daviey | czajkowski, pah! | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | or I could finish Circle of Friends | 21:44 |
| czajkowski | Daviey: :p | 21:45 |
| JFo | akgraner, heh you are hell on tweets :-D | 21:47 |
| popey | Sorry, compiz quit unexpectedly | 21:47 |
| czajkowski | JFo: #no #akgraner #is #all #about #tags ;p | 21:47 |
| popey | gah | 21:48 |
| * czajkowski hugs popey | 21:48 | |
| popey | am i the only one who can trigger compiz/unity crash with alt+tab? | 21:51 |
| czajkowski | popey: seems to alt tabing here the whole time | 21:52 |
| AlanBell | is that the *only* way you can trigger it? | 22:01 |
| popey | its A way | 22:09 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/natty/Screenshot-1.png | 22:22 |
| popey | what do I file that against? | 22:22 |
| popey | and can any of you replicate it? | 22:22 |
| popey | click 'keyboard model' and choose macbook pro | 22:23 |
| popey | gnome-control-center perhaps | 22:26 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/natty/Screenshot-2.png | 23:18 |
| popey | bah | 23:18 |
| mhall119 | popey: I don't like that font | 23:19 |
| jcastro | popey: ouch | 23:40 |
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