[07:13] <nigelb> jussi is back? :)
[07:27] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:29] <nigelb> Morning dpm :)
[07:29] <dpm> hey, good morning nigelb :)
[07:32] <duanedesign> morning all
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <nigelb> hola duanedesign, and hey dholbach
[07:34] <nigelb> dholbach: so coming to India this winter? ;)
[07:34] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hi duanedesign
[07:34] <dholbach> there's no current plans - but the pictures reminded me that I'd love to go again
[07:35] <nigelb> heh :)
[08:03] <kim0> Morning o/
[08:03] <kim0> dholbach: nigelb dpm   Howdy
[08:04] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:04] <dpm> hey kim0, dholbach!
[08:05] <duanedesign> 266 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
[08:06] <duanedesign> someone hasn't run updates in awhile :)
[08:08] <nigelb> hey kim0 :)
[08:08] <kim0> hey
[08:09] <nigelb> how was day 1 of cloud day?
[08:09] <kim0> nigelb: It was pretty good actually :) very good sessions, and around 220 attendees .. interesting
[08:10] <kim0> Most sessions leasd didn't know anything about classbot though :)
[08:10] <kim0> although I did email them about it
[08:10] <nigelb> kim0: don't worry, its usual :(
[08:10] <kim0> luckily Pendulum helped with that
[08:10] <nigelb> We'rve done our best to get people to read.
[08:11] <kim0> hehe yeah .. luckily it's really easy !q !y only .. otherwise we'd be in trouble
[08:22] <nigelb> kim0: At every uud and uow we try to figure out how to make it more easier, and we always fail.
[08:22] <nigelb> kim0: now 'm thinking we should write something like IRC classroom leader client :p
[08:22] <nigelb> which talks to classbot and shows next question, etc
[08:22] <nigelb> :p
[08:31] <kim0> hehe
[08:31] <kim0> lernid take2 ?
[09:08] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:09] <duanedesign> o/
[11:54] <czajkowski> paultag: ping
[12:38] <paultag> czajkowski: pong
[12:39] <paultag> czajkowski: morning :)
[12:42] <czajkowski> paultag: se pm please
[12:42] <paultag> oh, aye, sorry, browser was covering that up
[12:42] <czajkowski> np
[15:37] <jono> jcastro, quick call?
[15:37] <jcastro> Joeb454: yep
[15:37] <jcastro> jono: yep
[15:38] <jcastro> Joeb454: whoops, sorry
[15:39] <Joeb454> jcastro: you can call me if you really want ;)
[15:51] <dholbach> kim0, good luck! :)
[15:51] <kim0> dholbach: hehe thanks
[15:52] <dholbach> kim0, I'll mention it in my screencast too
[15:52] <kim0> great :)
[16:15] <jcastro> czajkowski: update, NOW you should be set.
[16:16] <popey> WOOOOOOOOO JCASTRO! WOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[16:17] <jcastro> popey: ?
[16:17]  * popey runs up to jcastro and cuddles him
[16:18]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[16:18] <czajkowski> yay
[16:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: will do an update when I get home
[16:18] <czajkowski> and it doesnt work I may curl up and ball my eyes out :)
[16:19] <jcastro> no, it all works now
[16:19] <jcastro> it's actually running awesome now
[16:19] <czajkowski> I'm holding you to this :)
[16:24] <dholbach> jcastro, <ElricL> Do we need to know vala to hack on unity?
[16:24] <dholbach> I don't know the answer
[16:26] <jcastro> no
[16:27] <jcastro> C++ is fine
[16:27] <jcastro> unity and compiz are all C++
[16:27] <jcastro> there's vala in there for some parts
[16:27] <jcastro> dholbach: ^
[16:28] <dholbach> thanks jcastro
[16:28] <jcastro> dholbach: if he wants to write a lens, he can use python too
[16:30] <dholbach> nice
[16:38] <czajkowski> I really could eat my body weight in choclate today, which is a lot and really not wise :(
[16:39] <jcastro> man
[16:39] <jcastro> I want chocolate now
[16:39] <czajkowski> I've eaten nearly a box of taffy today
[16:39] <czajkowski> sticky yummy addictive stuff
[16:46] <jcastro> akgraner: is pete within voice distance of you?
[16:46] <akgraner> jcastro, yes
[16:46] <jcastro> akgraner: tell him I just broke the bank on a pair of Rush tickets, but it will be worth it.
[16:46] <jcastro> first time
[16:46] <jcastro> he should flash you horns or do some kind of man grunt
[16:46] <czajkowski> akgraner: did you see AW over the weekend O.M.G
[16:47] <akgraner> jcastro, I told him...he's going to see Rush on 1 April
[16:47] <akgraner> czajkowski, nope :-(
[16:48] <czajkowski> akgraner: would you like the link :D
[16:48] <czajkowski> and I suggest you be prepared
[16:49] <akgraner> czajkowski, yeppers thanks!
[16:50] <czajkowski> done
[16:50] <czajkowski> :D
[16:50] <czajkowski> sunday cant come fast enough
[16:51] <akgraner> I'll have to find some time though I am not sure when..:-/ but I'll figure it out
[16:51] <Technoviking> jcastro: saw Geddy Lee at a used bookstore a couple years ago before a Rush concert in Salt Lake
[16:52] <czajkowski> akgraner: find 40 mins!
[16:56] <akgraner> czajkowski, I'll work on that...:-)
[16:57] <akgraner> I learned about "invisible" windows today..had never had that happen before it was both cool and confusing..now to figure out what triggered it...
[16:59] <czajkowski> oh I might be buying a car :D
[16:59] <czajkowski> bah wrong window
[17:10] <dholbach> ok my friends - I'm done for today, just babbled for a whole hour :)
[17:10] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:10] <dholbach> big hugs
[17:11] <czajkowski> dholbach: bye!
[17:17]  * popey leaves a comment on http://askubuntu.com/questions/31877/how-do-i-turn-on-unity-drag-handles
[18:19]  * popey chuckles at the gobby mail to -devel
[18:21] <jcastro> Daviey: see ubuntu-devel wrt. gobby
[18:21] <jcastro> this conversation will be awesome
[18:21] <jcastro> but I won't comment yet. :)
[18:25] <AlanBell> who is the James he is addressing?
[18:26] <popey> Elmo
[18:26] <jcastro> we should get popcorn
[18:26] <Pendulum> haha
[18:27] <Pendulum> jcastro: for throwing or consuming? ;P
[18:27]  * popey wonders if Daviey's etherpad is gonna get a kicking from that :D
[18:28] <jcastro> seriously, EC2 an etherpad for UDS. DONE.
[18:28] <jcastro> I didn't know we had google docs for ubuntu.com btw
[18:28] <jcastro> we could tag things up
[18:28] <jcastro> we'd have SEARCH
[18:28] <jcastro> man ...
[18:28] <popey> we cant
[18:29] <popey> only canonical people have access
[18:29] <popey> AIUI
[18:29] <AlanBell> kim0: UDS etherpad on ec2 as a demo of the awesomeness of cloud . . .
[18:29] <jcastro> no I've gotten things from Amber before on there
[18:29] <popey> only if people make them public
[18:29] <jcastro> popey: and for UDS you could probably open up the access a bit to allow non ubuntu.com address holding people to take notes, then close it up after again
[18:29] <popey> or explicitly share them
[18:29] <kim0> AlanBell: true it is :)
[18:30] <jcastro> yeah but we can set that in the docs
[18:30] <popey> i.e. if I go to that url it asks me for a password
[18:30] <jcastro> we should just do that anyway if it's for ubuntu.com
[18:30] <popey> I would suspect there is sekret stuff in there right now
[18:30] <jcastro> no there isn't
[18:30] <jcastro> this is just google apps for ubuntu.com
[18:30] <popey> just guessing, I dont have access :)
[18:30] <jcastro> try to sign in
[18:30] <jcastro> I bet it lets you
[18:30] <popey> i did
[18:30] <popey> it does not
[18:30] <popey> i do not have a password
[18:30] <AlanBell> me too
[18:30] <jcastro> so how does akgraner get in?
[18:31] <popey> as i said
[18:31] <AlanBell> akgraner is special
[18:31] <popey> someone shared a doc with her
[18:31] <AlanBell> or that
[18:31] <popey> or its a public doc
[18:31] <popey> it tells me to contact my admin to get the password reset
[18:31]  * popey emails elmo
[18:31] <popey> hahahahahahahaha
[18:31] <jcastro> https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHRObXc5b195Q1ljRnJTX0kzNjNqcUE&hl=en&authkey=CMKjtdIB#gid=0
[18:31] <popey> course I dont
[18:31] <jcastro> can you guys see that?
[18:31] <akgraner> what did I do?
[18:31] <popey> yes
[18:32] <popey> look at the top of the screen
[18:32] <popey> "Anyone with this link"
[18:32] <jcastro> right
[18:32] <popey> thats the sharing option
[18:32] <popey> someone explicitly shared that document
[18:32] <jcastro> right but that's just a setting we can change
[18:32] <jcastro> we can say "anyone with ubuntu.com, have a go"
[18:32] <popey> well, yes, and no
[18:32] <popey> no, we cant
[18:32] <popey> without a password
[18:32] <akgraner> I created that document
[18:32] <AlanBell> interestingly Amber Graner is the owner
[18:32] <jcastro> I used my SSO password
[18:33] <popey> oooo
[18:33] <akgraner> that was who I intended to interview at one of the UDSs
[18:33]  * popey tries that
[18:33] <jcastro> right
[18:33] <jcastro> so basically .... we have it.
[18:33] <popey> nope
[18:33] <jcastro> or not.
[18:33] <popey> i have no way to logon to that apps domain
[18:34] <Pendulum> jcastro: that also means that if separate sessions have separate docs, there has to be a Canonical person to set up each doc and set the permissions for viewing
[18:34] <popey> right.. i see
[18:34] <popey> amber created it not with her @ubuntu.com account
[18:34] <popey> but with her gmail account
[18:34] <jcastro> Pendulum: well, my idea would invole it being open to everyone
[18:35] <jcastro> there's a setting in there to make the whole thing public, I've admined google apps before
[18:35] <popey> i propose you bring that up with elmo
[18:35] <popey> i will supply the popcorn
[18:36] <AlanBell> so how did Amber's document get in to the ubuntu.com apps domain?
[18:36]  * Pendulum asks screen reader users which is more accessible googledocs or etherpad
[18:36] <Pendulum> (since gobby used to be, but then the new version lost some accessibility)
[18:37] <jcastro> popey: if it's open to anyone with a google account at UDS then that would be fine
[18:37] <jcastro> but making it so only certain people can sign in is a non-starter
[18:37] <jcastro> though really what we need is pad.ubuntu.com on real hardware
[18:38] <AlanBell> however there was an explicit and documented decision by IS not to do that
[18:44] <jcastro> I plan on just using etherpad
[18:44] <jcastro> I'd rather get yelled at by IS than my manager for not having the notes for something that is important to me for the next SIX MONTHS.
[18:45]  * jcastro will save it for the mailing list. :)
[18:45] <Pendulum> :)
[18:45]  * Pendulum gets out the snacks
[18:50] <AlanBell> what I would like to see is a link on every session in summit to padurl/uds-o-day-time-room like http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/uds-o-monday-1000-antigua
[18:50] <jcastro> I know right
[18:50] <jcastro> and just put them all on one page
[18:51] <AlanBell> put them on the schedule http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-25/
[18:51] <jcastro> yup
[18:51] <AlanBell> so the schedule itself is the index to the documentation
[18:52] <AlanBell> bring up summit, find where you should be, click the box, type notes
[18:52] <AlanBell> and the column headers on summit should be webchat.freenode.net links to the appropriate rooms
[18:56] <jcastro> the header thing is in a bugreport somewhere
[19:54] <jcastro> Pendulum: good news!
[19:54] <jcastro> Pendulum: I have more than a 10 minute warning for Q+A tomorrow
[19:57] <jcastro> and/or pleia2 or cjohnston
[19:59] <Pendulum> jcastro: I did get the name out of jono yesterday :)
[19:59] <Pendulum> or maybe tuesday
[19:59] <Pendulum> but that is very good news!
[20:00] <pleia2> haha, good :)
[20:00] <jcastro> her irc is skaet
[20:00] <jcastro> and I just did a phone call with her explaining it
[20:00] <Pendulum> yep
[20:00] <jcastro> so she's a pro now
[20:00] <Pendulum> cool :)
[20:00] <jcastro> she's nervous since it's her first one
[20:01] <Pendulum> jcastro: do you want me to add you as a helper (or jono)
[20:01] <jcastro> also
[20:01] <jcastro> I am changing the time on the wiki to be 16:30 UTC
[20:01] <jcastro> since the fridge schedule is already out there
[20:01] <jcastro> Pendulum: both just in case please
[20:02] <Pendulum> done
[20:03] <jcastro> and like over 18 hours left to go!
[20:03] <Pendulum> heh
[20:04] <Pendulum> you've also got me and nigelb listed as helpers
[20:04] <jcastro> this one will be fun
[20:04] <jussi> o/
[20:05] <Pendulum> hiya jussi :)
[20:05] <pleia2> updated the title in the calendar entry too
[20:05] <Pendulum> yeah, I just did that
[20:06]  * jussi is back in .fi :)
[20:06] <pleia2> ok, I guess the changes hadn't been synced yet :)
[20:06] <Pendulum> haha
[20:06] <pleia2> & breaks everything
[20:10] <greg-g> jcastro: you got my support on -devel ;)
[20:12] <jcastro> yeah!
[20:24] <greg-g> jcastro: crap! I'm being moderated :/
[20:24] <jcastro> I am sure there's a ton in there
[20:24] <jcastro> heh
[20:36] <czajkowski> fried egg on toast is the dinner of winners
[20:39] <JFo> is that what Charlie Sheen is eating nowadays? ;-)
[20:42]  * czajkowski hugs JFo 
[20:42] <czajkowski> hello my dear
[20:42] <czajkowski> how is the writing coming along ?
[20:42]  * JFo hugs czajkowski 
[20:42] <JFo> very well thanks
[20:43] <JFo> I actually may be co-writing a book with a friend here before long
[20:43] <czajkowski> great 183 things need updating since this morning
[20:43] <czajkowski> JFo: oh what kind ?
[20:43] <JFo> we are going to be discussing it more in-depth
[20:43] <JFo> a historical fition
[20:43] <JFo> fiction*
[20:43] <czajkowski> I read typo very well, only way I understand myself :)
[20:44] <JFo> :)
[20:44] <JFo> the correction was more punishment for me ;)
[20:44] <czajkowski> come on updates hurry up
[20:44] <czajkowski> tired of seeing things crashed in the background :(
[20:44] <JFo> and I have about $400 worth of books I am getting for research on my big project
[20:45] <czajkowski> JFo: where do you find the time!
[20:45] <JFo> will help flesh out some details so I can get to the long bits
[20:45] <JFo> czajkowski, well, it usually strikes me when I should be sleeping
[20:45] <JFo> :)
[20:45] <czajkowski> hate_that!
[20:45] <JFo> I actually write the best stuff when I am tired
[20:45] <JFo> I hate it too :-(
[20:45] <JFo> was up all last night
[20:46] <JFo> I'm dead on my feet today
[20:46] <JFo> my brain seems to create character dialog when I let go of work stuff
[20:46] <JFo> it is very odd
[20:46] <JFo> but, I write something every day
[20:46] <JFo> short stories, poetry
[20:47] <czajkowski> I managed to be awake 30 hrs the last time travel England wales and ireland in one day back and forth and could only sleep for 3 hrs afterwards
[20:47] <czajkowski> JFo: really cool thing to be able to do
[20:48] <JFo> I wish I were better at it. :)
[20:50] <czajkowski> hmm
[20:50] <czajkowski> The following packages have been kept back: openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us
[20:50] <czajkowski> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[20:50] <czajkowski> wont remove for the last week
[20:50] <czajkowski> right reboot time
[20:50] <czajkowski> and if I dont come back we know it's all gone wrong
[20:57] <czajkowski> well that was less that good
[20:57] <czajkowski> 3 reboots later I got back on it kept hanging
[21:00]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[21:00] <czajkowski> the ask Ubuntu rocks
[21:03] <jcastro> czajkowski: omg did you update and reboot
[21:03] <jcastro> you should be rocking now
[21:03] <czajkowski> jcastro: I did, did take a few reboots to get back on though
[21:03] <czajkowski> jcastro: I thought I'd be able to pull the icon out and drag it up higher
[21:03] <jcastro> which icon?
[21:04] <czajkowski> jcastro: ASk
[21:04] <czajkowski> I can do it for any other icon
[21:04] <jcastro> oh
[21:04] <jcastro> yeah, places are kind of "special" right now
[21:04] <czajkowski> ah ok
[21:04] <jcastro> I have some ideas for that for UDS
[21:04] <czajkowski> it's too far down for me
[21:04] <jcastro> yeah, right now the launcher is supposed to be
[21:04] <jcastro> button
[21:04] <jcastro> your apps
[21:04] <jcastro> places
[21:05] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[21:05] <jcastro> trash
[21:05] <czajkowski> my laptop my way :D
[21:05] <jcastro> whoops, and switcher above places
[21:05] <jcastro> yeah you'll note you can't shortcut it either, :-/
[21:05] <czajkowski> aye :(
[21:05] <jcastro> but considering I just super and type and it uses the place anyway ...
[21:05] <czajkowski> kinda hidden away
[21:05] <czajkowski> file bug please :D
[21:06] <czajkowski> I'll mark me too :D
[21:06] <jcastro> I also want to drag a place on top of the button and make it the default place
[21:06] <jcastro> for example I want the applications place as my default when I press the button
[21:06] <jcastro> not huge icon city lense of doom
[21:06] <czajkowski> nods
[21:06] <czajkowski> that lense word keeps throwing me
[21:06] <czajkowski> :s
[21:15]  * Daviey screams
[21:15] <JFo> same here
[21:16] <czajkowski> Daviey: I'm going on the podcast again :)
[21:16] <akgraner> woo hoo - gwibber is fixed for me - I reached 1gig of messages in the db and I reached some kind of critical mass point or something - and I learned about "vacuum" yay for learning...
[21:21] <JFo> akgraner, lol
[21:22] <akgraner> JFo ken said he had been waiting to have a test case db that was a worst case one
[21:22] <akgraner> he said I had over 1 million messages that were stored
[21:22] <akgraner> I tried to file a but and apport would just puke on collecting data
[21:23] <akgraner> s/but/bug
[21:32] <jcastro> why not just delete it and start over?
[21:32] <jcastro> surely you don't need tweets sitting around on disk
[21:38] <AlanBell> deleting stuff from desktopcouch synced with U1 is not as trivial as it might sound
[21:38] <AlanBell> can be done though
[21:38] <AlanBell> it is another of the "well I wouldn't have done it like that" moments you get from using Gwibber
[21:38] <jcastro> I wish I could go back in time to that session when we decided that was a good idea
[21:38] <jcastro> and kill Aq
[21:39] <popey> uhm
[21:39] <AlanBell> desktop couch is awesome
[21:39] <jcastro> and then punch my past self for thinking it was a good idea
[21:39] <AlanBell> but it isn't for that
[21:39] <popey> pretty sure the desktop couch implementation in gwibber is duff
[21:39] <jcastro> AlanBell: right
[21:39] <jcastro> I'm not binning the idea
[21:39] <popey> also, my gwibber db is >500MB now
[21:39] <AlanBell> it doesn't use map-reduce, it doesn't use views, it doesn't use the lucene indexing
[21:39] <jcastro> I am just saying, huge gwibber db = fail
[21:40] <AlanBell> using the twitter rest API and refreshing the streams fully every interval also sucks
[21:40] <AlanBell> and using webkit to render them looks pretty, but sucks
[21:42] <jcastro> I learned one thing about this mess (and I include the facebook broken mess in this)
[21:42] <jcastro> web ftw.
[21:42] <AlanBell> nah
[21:42] <AlanBell> desktop app is fine
[21:43] <jcastro> this gobby:etherpad argument is just the beginning.
[21:43] <AlanBell> in that instance etherpad wins
[21:43] <jcastro> for example, we could ship seesmic web as our twitter client
[21:43] <jcastro> in an app window
[21:44] <Daviey> czajkowski, pah!
[21:44] <AlanBell> or I could finish Circle of Friends
[21:45] <czajkowski> Daviey: :p
[21:47] <JFo> akgraner, heh you are hell on tweets :-D
[21:47] <popey> Sorry, compiz quit unexpectedly
[21:47] <czajkowski> JFo: #no #akgraner #is #all #about #tags ;p
[21:48] <popey> gah
[21:48]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[21:51] <popey> am i the only one who can trigger compiz/unity crash with alt+tab?
[21:52] <czajkowski> popey: seems to alt tabing here the whole time
[22:01] <AlanBell> is that the *only* way you can trigger it?
[22:09] <popey> its A way
[22:22] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/natty/Screenshot-1.png
[22:22] <popey> what do I file that against?
[22:22] <popey> and can any of you replicate it?
[22:23] <popey> click 'keyboard model' and choose macbook pro
[22:26] <popey> gnome-control-center perhaps
[23:18] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/natty/Screenshot-2.png
[23:18] <popey> bah
[23:19] <mhall119> popey: I don't like that font
[23:40] <jcastro> popey: ouch