[07:13] jussi is back? :) [07:27] good morning everyone! [07:29] Morning dpm :) [07:29] hey, good morning nigelb :) [07:32] morning all [07:33] good morning [07:34] hola duanedesign, and hey dholbach [07:34] dholbach: so coming to India this winter? ;) [07:34] hi nigelb, hi duanedesign [07:34] there's no current plans - but the pictures reminded me that I'd love to go again [07:35] heh :) [08:03] Morning o/ [08:03] dholbach: nigelb dpm Howdy [08:04] hey kim0 [08:04] hey kim0, dholbach! [08:05] 266 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded. [08:06] someone hasn't run updates in awhile :) [08:08] hey kim0 :) [08:08] hey [08:09] how was day 1 of cloud day? [08:09] nigelb: It was pretty good actually :) very good sessions, and around 220 attendees .. interesting [08:10] Most sessions leasd didn't know anything about classbot though :) [08:10] although I did email them about it [08:10] kim0: don't worry, its usual :( [08:10] luckily Pendulum helped with that [08:10] We'rve done our best to get people to read. [08:11] hehe yeah .. luckily it's really easy !q !y only .. otherwise we'd be in trouble [08:22] kim0: At every uud and uow we try to figure out how to make it more easier, and we always fail. [08:22] kim0: now 'm thinking we should write something like IRC classroom leader client :p [08:22] which talks to classbot and shows next question, etc [08:22] :p [08:31] hehe [08:31] lernid take2 ? [09:08] Aloha [09:09] o/ === daker_ is now known as daker [11:54] paultag: ping === nigelbabu is now known as nigelb === daker_ is now known as daker [12:38] czajkowski: pong [12:39] czajkowski: morning :) [12:42] paultag: se pm please [12:42] oh, aye, sorry, browser was covering that up [12:42] np === daker_ is now known as daker [15:37] jcastro, quick call? [15:37] Joeb454: yep [15:37] jono: yep [15:38] Joeb454: whoops, sorry [15:39] jcastro: you can call me if you really want ;) [15:51] kim0, good luck! :) [15:51] dholbach: hehe thanks [15:52] kim0, I'll mention it in my screencast too [15:52] great :) [16:15] czajkowski: update, NOW you should be set. [16:16] WOOOOOOOOO JCASTRO! WOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! [16:17] popey: ? [16:17] * popey runs up to jcastro and cuddles him [16:18] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [16:18] yay [16:18] jcastro: will do an update when I get home [16:18] and it doesnt work I may curl up and ball my eyes out :) [16:19] no, it all works now [16:19] it's actually running awesome now [16:19] I'm holding you to this :) [16:24] jcastro, Do we need to know vala to hack on unity? [16:24] I don't know the answer [16:26] no [16:27] C++ is fine [16:27] unity and compiz are all C++ [16:27] there's vala in there for some parts [16:27] dholbach: ^ [16:28] thanks jcastro [16:28] dholbach: if he wants to write a lens, he can use python too [16:30] nice [16:38] I really could eat my body weight in choclate today, which is a lot and really not wise :( [16:39] man [16:39] I want chocolate now [16:39] I've eaten nearly a box of taffy today [16:39] sticky yummy addictive stuff [16:46] akgraner: is pete within voice distance of you? [16:46] jcastro, yes [16:46] akgraner: tell him I just broke the bank on a pair of Rush tickets, but it will be worth it. [16:46] first time [16:46] he should flash you horns or do some kind of man grunt [16:46] akgraner: did you see AW over the weekend O.M.G [16:47] jcastro, I told him...he's going to see Rush on 1 April [16:47] czajkowski, nope :-( [16:48] akgraner: would you like the link :D [16:48] and I suggest you be prepared [16:49] czajkowski, yeppers thanks! [16:50] done [16:50] :D [16:50] sunday cant come fast enough [16:51] I'll have to find some time though I am not sure when..:-/ but I'll figure it out [16:51] jcastro: saw Geddy Lee at a used bookstore a couple years ago before a Rush concert in Salt Lake [16:52] akgraner: find 40 mins! [16:56] czajkowski, I'll work on that...:-) [16:57] I learned about "invisible" windows today..had never had that happen before it was both cool and confusing..now to figure out what triggered it... [16:59] oh I might be buying a car :D [16:59] bah wrong window [17:10] ok my friends - I'm done for today, just babbled for a whole hour :) [17:10] see you all tomorrow [17:10] big hugs [17:11] dholbach: bye! [17:17] * popey leaves a comment on http://askubuntu.com/questions/31877/how-do-i-turn-on-unity-drag-handles [18:19] * popey chuckles at the gobby mail to -devel [18:21] Daviey: see ubuntu-devel wrt. gobby [18:21] this conversation will be awesome [18:21] but I won't comment yet. :) === daker is now known as daker_ [18:25] who is the James he is addressing? [18:26] Elmo [18:26] we should get popcorn [18:26] haha [18:27] jcastro: for throwing or consuming? ;P [18:27] * popey wonders if Daviey's etherpad is gonna get a kicking from that :D [18:28] seriously, EC2 an etherpad for UDS. DONE. [18:28] I didn't know we had google docs for ubuntu.com btw [18:28] we could tag things up [18:28] we'd have SEARCH [18:28] man ... [18:28] we cant [18:29] only canonical people have access [18:29] AIUI [18:29] kim0: UDS etherpad on ec2 as a demo of the awesomeness of cloud . . . [18:29] no I've gotten things from Amber before on there [18:29] only if people make them public [18:29] popey: and for UDS you could probably open up the access a bit to allow non ubuntu.com address holding people to take notes, then close it up after again [18:29] or explicitly share them [18:29] AlanBell: true it is :) [18:30] yeah but we can set that in the docs [18:30] i.e. if I go to that url it asks me for a password [18:30] we should just do that anyway if it's for ubuntu.com [18:30] I would suspect there is sekret stuff in there right now [18:30] no there isn't [18:30] this is just google apps for ubuntu.com [18:30] just guessing, I dont have access :) [18:30] try to sign in [18:30] I bet it lets you [18:30] i did [18:30] it does not [18:30] i do not have a password [18:30] me too [18:30] so how does akgraner get in? [18:31] as i said [18:31] akgraner is special [18:31] someone shared a doc with her [18:31] or that [18:31] or its a public doc [18:31] it tells me to contact my admin to get the password reset [18:31] * popey emails elmo [18:31] hahahahahahahaha [18:31] https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdHRObXc5b195Q1ljRnJTX0kzNjNqcUE&hl=en&authkey=CMKjtdIB#gid=0 [18:31] course I dont [18:31] can you guys see that? [18:31] what did I do? [18:31] yes [18:32] look at the top of the screen [18:32] "Anyone with this link" [18:32] right [18:32] thats the sharing option [18:32] someone explicitly shared that document [18:32] right but that's just a setting we can change [18:32] we can say "anyone with ubuntu.com, have a go" [18:32] well, yes, and no [18:32] no, we cant [18:32] without a password [18:32] I created that document [18:32] interestingly Amber Graner is the owner [18:32] I used my SSO password [18:33] oooo [18:33] that was who I intended to interview at one of the UDSs [18:33] * popey tries that [18:33] right [18:33] so basically .... we have it. [18:33] nope [18:33] or not. [18:33] i have no way to logon to that apps domain [18:34] jcastro: that also means that if separate sessions have separate docs, there has to be a Canonical person to set up each doc and set the permissions for viewing [18:34] right.. i see [18:34] amber created it not with her @ubuntu.com account [18:34] but with her gmail account [18:34] Pendulum: well, my idea would invole it being open to everyone [18:35] there's a setting in there to make the whole thing public, I've admined google apps before [18:35] i propose you bring that up with elmo [18:35] i will supply the popcorn [18:36] so how did Amber's document get in to the ubuntu.com apps domain? [18:36] * Pendulum asks screen reader users which is more accessible googledocs or etherpad [18:36] (since gobby used to be, but then the new version lost some accessibility) [18:37] popey: if it's open to anyone with a google account at UDS then that would be fine [18:37] but making it so only certain people can sign in is a non-starter [18:37] though really what we need is pad.ubuntu.com on real hardware [18:38] however there was an explicit and documented decision by IS not to do that [18:44] I plan on just using etherpad [18:44] I'd rather get yelled at by IS than my manager for not having the notes for something that is important to me for the next SIX MONTHS. [18:45] * jcastro will save it for the mailing list. :) [18:45] :) [18:45] * Pendulum gets out the snacks [18:50] what I would like to see is a link on every session in summit to padurl/uds-o-day-time-room like http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/uds-o-monday-1000-antigua [18:50] I know right [18:50] and just put them all on one page [18:51] put them on the schedule http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-25/ [18:51] yup [18:51] so the schedule itself is the index to the documentation [18:52] bring up summit, find where you should be, click the box, type notes [18:52] and the column headers on summit should be webchat.freenode.net links to the appropriate rooms [18:56] the header thing is in a bugreport somewhere [19:54] Pendulum: good news! [19:54] Pendulum: I have more than a 10 minute warning for Q+A tomorrow [19:57] and/or pleia2 or cjohnston [19:59] jcastro: I did get the name out of jono yesterday :) [19:59] or maybe tuesday [19:59] but that is very good news! [20:00] haha, good :) [20:00] her irc is skaet [20:00] and I just did a phone call with her explaining it [20:00] yep [20:00] so she's a pro now [20:00] cool :) [20:00] she's nervous since it's her first one [20:01] jcastro: do you want me to add you as a helper (or jono) [20:01] also [20:01] I am changing the time on the wiki to be 16:30 UTC [20:01] since the fridge schedule is already out there [20:01] Pendulum: both just in case please [20:02] done [20:03] and like over 18 hours left to go! [20:03] heh [20:04] you've also got me and nigelb listed as helpers [20:04] this one will be fun [20:04] o/ [20:05] hiya jussi :) [20:05] updated the title in the calendar entry too [20:05] yeah, I just did that [20:06] * jussi is back in .fi :) [20:06] ok, I guess the changes hadn't been synced yet :) [20:06] haha [20:06] & breaks everything [20:10] jcastro: you got my support on -devel ;) [20:12] yeah! [20:24] jcastro: crap! I'm being moderated :/ [20:24] I am sure there's a ton in there [20:24] heh [20:36] fried egg on toast is the dinner of winners [20:39] is that what Charlie Sheen is eating nowadays? ;-) [20:42] * czajkowski hugs JFo [20:42] hello my dear [20:42] how is the writing coming along ? [20:42] * JFo hugs czajkowski [20:42] very well thanks [20:43] I actually may be co-writing a book with a friend here before long [20:43] great 183 things need updating since this morning [20:43] JFo: oh what kind ? [20:43] we are going to be discussing it more in-depth [20:43] a historical fition [20:43] fiction* [20:43] I read typo very well, only way I understand myself :) [20:44] :) [20:44] the correction was more punishment for me ;) [20:44] come on updates hurry up [20:44] tired of seeing things crashed in the background :( [20:44] and I have about $400 worth of books I am getting for research on my big project [20:45] JFo: where do you find the time! [20:45] will help flesh out some details so I can get to the long bits [20:45] czajkowski, well, it usually strikes me when I should be sleeping [20:45] :) [20:45] hate_that! [20:45] I actually write the best stuff when I am tired [20:45] I hate it too :-( [20:45] was up all last night [20:46] I'm dead on my feet today [20:46] my brain seems to create character dialog when I let go of work stuff [20:46] it is very odd [20:46] but, I write something every day [20:46] short stories, poetry [20:47] I managed to be awake 30 hrs the last time travel England wales and ireland in one day back and forth and could only sleep for 3 hrs afterwards [20:47] JFo: really cool thing to be able to do [20:48] I wish I were better at it. :) [20:50] hmm [20:50] The following packages have been kept back: openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us [20:50] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [20:50] wont remove for the last week [20:50] right reboot time [20:50] and if I dont come back we know it's all gone wrong [20:57] well that was less that good [20:57] 3 reboots later I got back on it kept hanging [21:00] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [21:00] the ask Ubuntu rocks [21:03] czajkowski: omg did you update and reboot [21:03] you should be rocking now [21:03] jcastro: I did, did take a few reboots to get back on though [21:03] jcastro: I thought I'd be able to pull the icon out and drag it up higher [21:03] which icon? [21:04] jcastro: ASk [21:04] I can do it for any other icon [21:04] oh [21:04] yeah, places are kind of "special" right now [21:04] ah ok [21:04] I have some ideas for that for UDS [21:04] it's too far down for me [21:04] yeah, right now the launcher is supposed to be [21:04] button [21:04] your apps [21:04] places [21:05] ahh ok [21:05] trash [21:05] my laptop my way :D [21:05] whoops, and switcher above places [21:05] yeah you'll note you can't shortcut it either, :-/ [21:05] aye :( [21:05] but considering I just super and type and it uses the place anyway ... [21:05] kinda hidden away [21:05] file bug please :D [21:06] I'll mark me too :D [21:06] I also want to drag a place on top of the button and make it the default place [21:06] for example I want the applications place as my default when I press the button [21:06] not huge icon city lense of doom [21:06] nods [21:06] that lense word keeps throwing me [21:06] :s [21:15] * Daviey screams [21:15] same here [21:16] Daviey: I'm going on the podcast again :) [21:16] woo hoo - gwibber is fixed for me - I reached 1gig of messages in the db and I reached some kind of critical mass point or something - and I learned about "vacuum" yay for learning... [21:21] akgraner, lol [21:22] JFo ken said he had been waiting to have a test case db that was a worst case one [21:22] he said I had over 1 million messages that were stored [21:22] I tried to file a but and apport would just puke on collecting data [21:23] s/but/bug [21:32] why not just delete it and start over? [21:32] surely you don't need tweets sitting around on disk [21:38] deleting stuff from desktopcouch synced with U1 is not as trivial as it might sound [21:38] can be done though [21:38] it is another of the "well I wouldn't have done it like that" moments you get from using Gwibber [21:38] I wish I could go back in time to that session when we decided that was a good idea [21:38] and kill Aq [21:39] uhm [21:39] desktop couch is awesome [21:39] and then punch my past self for thinking it was a good idea [21:39] but it isn't for that [21:39] pretty sure the desktop couch implementation in gwibber is duff [21:39] AlanBell: right [21:39] I'm not binning the idea [21:39] also, my gwibber db is >500MB now [21:39] it doesn't use map-reduce, it doesn't use views, it doesn't use the lucene indexing [21:39] I am just saying, huge gwibber db = fail [21:40] using the twitter rest API and refreshing the streams fully every interval also sucks [21:40] and using webkit to render them looks pretty, but sucks [21:42] I learned one thing about this mess (and I include the facebook broken mess in this) [21:42] web ftw. [21:42] nah [21:42] desktop app is fine [21:43] this gobby:etherpad argument is just the beginning. [21:43] in that instance etherpad wins [21:43] for example, we could ship seesmic web as our twitter client [21:43] in an app window [21:44] czajkowski, pah! [21:44] or I could finish Circle of Friends [21:45] Daviey: :p [21:47] akgraner, heh you are hell on tweets :-D [21:47] Sorry, compiz quit unexpectedly [21:47] JFo: #no #akgraner #is #all #about #tags ;p [21:48] gah [21:48] * czajkowski hugs popey [21:51] am i the only one who can trigger compiz/unity crash with alt+tab? [21:52] popey: seems to alt tabing here the whole time [22:01] is that the *only* way you can trigger it? [22:09] its A way [22:22] http://popey.com/~alan/natty/Screenshot-1.png [22:22] what do I file that against? [22:22] and can any of you replicate it? [22:23] click 'keyboard model' and choose macbook pro [22:26] gnome-control-center perhaps [23:18] http://popey.com/~alan/natty/Screenshot-2.png [23:18] bah [23:19] popey: I don't like that font [23:40] popey: ouch