[01:18] <mwhudson> fmarier: are you around?
[01:18] <fmarier> fmarier: yup
[02:04] <chilts> for those on the NZPUG mailing list ... I really want to ask "So, tupple or tewple - I thought with Python there was only one way to do it?"
[02:04]  * chilts wants to stir
[02:04] <chilts> but I'll resist
[02:05] <mwhudson> please leave that thread to die :)
[02:05] <chilts> I know, that's why I'm leaving it
[02:06] <chilts> still, it's funny
[02:07] <ojwb> mwhudson: it will never die
[02:07] <ojwb> the nzpug mailing list actually puts me off using python
[02:08] <chilts> yeah, not sure why I subscribe either ... it seems more active than wgtn.pm but not necessarily more informative
[02:11] <ojwb> oh, is there a wellington list?
[02:12] <ojwb> i really only subscribe for the meeting reminders
[02:17] <chilts> ojwb: am just talking about this one -> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
[02:18] <ojwb> oh, pm not py
[02:18] <ojwb> yes, the perl list has much higher signal/noise
[02:19] <chilts> yeah, sorry, pm
[02:28]  * ajmitch reads the discussion from the last half-hour & groans
[04:48] <fmarier> ojwb: similarly, the nzoss openchat list often puts me off doing open source :)
[04:50] <ojwb> fmarier: perhaps I won't join that one
[04:50] <ojwb> being put off python is less of an issue
[04:52] <ajmitch> ojwb: I take it you're not on debian-devel either? :)
[04:52] <ojwb> ajmitch: indeed
[04:52] <ojwb> even dipping in to the archives saps my enthusiasm
[04:52] <ojwb> though i've heard it's less bad these days
[04:53] <ajmitch> less long-winded flamewars
[05:04] <ojwb> go debian!
[05:04] <ibeardslee> evening
[05:05] <ojwb> evening
[05:07] <ibeardslee> feeling a bit more alive I am
[05:07] <ibeardslee> and now natty seems to be behaving a bit betterer as well
[05:22] <ibeardslee> but now catching up with some of the conversations .. the FOSS type mailing lists I think can be a big turn off as people get carried away
[18:48] <ajmitch> morning
[19:23] <ibeardslee> morning\
[20:29] <snail> moring everyone
[21:52] <ojwb> morning
[22:08] <snail> ibeardslee: you're right about people getting carried away and turning people off
[22:42] <karora> ibeardslee: Yeah.  It's a problem that seems to affect the more 'general' ones.
[22:42] <fmarier> http://identi.ca/notice/68078634 <--- /me is proud of ubuntu
[22:42] <karora> Specific purpose ones are usually more or less OK though.
[22:44] <ojwb> fmarier: that's good news
[22:45]  * ajmitch wasn't aware it was even up for discussion
[22:45] <ajmitch> though I guess it could relate to proprietary drivers especially with shipping unity as the default desktop shell
[22:46] <snail> is there a mailing list for new zealand web techies?
[22:47] <snail> I'm looking for somewhere to post a reasonably long and complex experience report about decommissioning a server that used to host a .nz website ...
[22:47] <karora> Blog it :-)
[22:51] <snail> yeah, but i just blogged http://opensourceexile.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-there-place-for-readers-collectives.html and i don't want to set a precedent.
[23:02] <karora> Heh.
[23:02] <karora> Blog it on a totally different site :-)
[23:20] <karora> snail: Nice blog too, BTW.  Have you read "Common as Air" yet?
[23:21] <snail> karora: thank you. if I've read it "Common as Air", it wasn't recently enough to recall the title, does it have a URL?
[23:22] <karora> It's a new book by Lewis Hyde - author of "Trickster Makes the World".  It's awesome.