| iheartubuntu | dang Empathy! I missed an important IM! | 03:30 |
|---|---|---|
| iheartubuntu | Espresso anyone? | 08:34 |
| nhaines | It's bad enough I'm still up as it is. | 08:43 |
| iheartubuntu | haha | 08:47 |
| iheartubuntu | must be good beer or company | 08:47 |
| iheartubuntu | im working on a presentation for my company | 08:47 |
| iheartubuntu | does the Ubuntu dictionary query the internet for definitions or is it built into the OS for offline use | 08:58 |
| iheartubuntu | Im slow. Hoping to finish by 3am | 09:13 |
| iheartubuntu | Surprised philipbalew has awoken by now. This is usually his time to shine! | 09:13 |
| iheartubuntu | *has not | 09:13 |
| iheartubuntu | i think im getting sleepy | 09:13 |
| iheartubuntu | spell check in OO presentation didnt find my two misspellings | 09:17 |
| iheartubuntu | its spell check and google searches that keep me one step above my competition :) | 09:17 |
| iheartubuntu | (not like i have competition) | 09:17 |
| iheartubuntu | does anyone know if open office presentation embeds my images i put in? ive never worked with it before. i dont want to take me presentation on a chip only to find out i needed all the images too | 10:06 |
| iheartubuntu | im guessing its embedding them. it was 80k with a bunch of text before adding images, now its 2.8mb | 10:07 |
| iheartubuntu | I'm off to see the wizard! | 10:37 |
| iheartubuntu | Down Maximus! Down boy! Down noble steed. | 15:16 |
| * iheartubuntu dusts himself off | 15:16 | |
| iheartubuntu | Strong Gains by Redhat... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-micron-help-push-tech-gains-2011-03-24 | 15:23 |
| iheartubuntu | How do we add a topic to the next meeting? | 15:43 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: edit the agenda on the wiki. | 15:44 |
| iheartubuntu | ahh, thanks | 15:44 |
| jtatum | thanks pleia2 | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | jtatum: not me this time, iheartubuntu is helping keep the feeds updated too now :) | 16:14 |
| jtatum | good deal thanks iheartubuntu | 16:24 |
| iheartubuntu | ;) | 16:25 |
| iheartubuntu | (i just winked at a guy) | 16:25 |
| iheartubuntu | its a cute wink in empathy anyways | 16:25 |
| iheartubuntu | anyone here a pro with OpenOffice Impress? | 16:40 |
| * akk avoids it as much as possible | 16:41 | |
| iheartubuntu | I had made a presentation and added a 50mb video file. I didnt want it and deleted it from the page, but the saved file is still a whooping 53mb, and it should only be 3mb | 16:41 |
| iheartubuntu | Not sure how I can search for all media content and then somehow delete the video file (which i thought i deleted on screen) | 16:41 |
| nhaines | Wow, the new natty wallpaper landed befor UI freeze. I'm impressed. | 17:19 |
| iheartubuntu | some very nice wallpapers! | 17:28 |
| ryaxnb | hello | 20:00 |
| ryaxnb | its dumping here in this part of CA | 20:00 |
| ryaxnb | aqnd a bit windy too | 20:01 |
| iheartubuntu | hello ryaxnb | 20:01 |
| iheartubuntu | where r u? | 20:01 |
| iheartubuntu | no rain yet in SoCal | 20:01 |
| iheartubuntu | tonite I tihnk | 20:01 |
| ryaxnb | Felton, CA, near SantaCruz, CA in central CA | 20:01 |
| iheartubuntu | nice area | 20:01 |
| ryaxnb | indeed | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's been raining for hours here in SF | 20:01 |
| iheartubuntu | i used to drive up to Volks Cafe in Soquel all the time for my VW bus :) | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | they closed to zoo today! | 20:02 |
| ryaxnb | no zoo? | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | not that I was planning to go today :) | 20:02 |
| ryaxnb | foo | 20:02 |
| iheartubuntu | do zoos close? | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | apparently for bad rain | 20:02 |
| ryaxnb | no one would have come anyway | 20:02 |
| ryaxnb | it raining too much | 20:02 |
| ryaxnb | rather go to an art museum or that wonderful CAS | 20:03 |
| iheartubuntu | I like sleeping in when it rains | 20:03 |
| iheartubuntu | (i'll stop before this becomes a poem or something) | 20:03 |
| pleia2 | me too, but I am supposed to be working, my boss doesn't like it when I sleep at work | 20:03 |
| iheartubuntu | haha | 20:03 |
| ryaxnb | felton is the rainiest part of the SF bay area | 20:04 |
| iheartubuntu | I think i just like being home though when its raining | 20:04 |
| ryaxnb | i like using my laptop and surfing as i always do | 20:04 |
| iheartubuntu | so i am full embedded into using Empathy now | 20:20 |
| iheartubuntu | I like it because it feels lightweight, unlike Pidgin. And it does IRC fine. With chat contacts and IRC all in one. Very nice. | 20:22 |
| iheartubuntu | Couple of buggy things, like if you write too long of a sentence, Empathy grows to the right side :) | 20:22 |
| iheartubuntu | other than that I like it | 20:22 |
| iheartubuntu | what does jhana mean | 21:03 |
| iheartubuntu | the Ubuntu Dictionary has no definitions or similar words | 21:04 |
| jhanafrog | sadly, i don't think shuttleworth practices samadhi | 21:07 |
| jtatum | iheartubuntu: it's a buddhist term for a state of concentration | 21:14 |
| * iheartubuntu wishes empathy would blink the message indicator icon | 21:15 | |
| iheartubuntu | so "concentrating frog" | 21:15 |
| jhanafrog | i'm the only one in #empathy :( | 21:16 |
| iheartubuntu | empathy might use another server, no? | 21:16 |
| jhanafrog | it is more specific than that | 21:16 |
| iheartubuntu | there is no #openoffice here but there is a #libreoffice | 21:16 |
| jhanafrog | there was somebody in #empathy before | 21:16 |
| jhanafrog | i dunno | 21:16 |
| iheartubuntu | jhanafrog are you good with OO Impress? | 21:16 |
| jtatum | #empathy is on irc.gnome.org | 21:16 |
| jhanafrog | no, never heard | 21:17 |
| iheartubuntu | its OO presentation (like powerpoint) | 21:17 |
| jhanafrog | thanks jtatum, i'll check it out | 21:17 |
| jhanafrog | oh OO is open office, i thought it was object oriented | 21:17 |
| jhanafrog | nah, i never do presentations anymore | 21:18 |
| iheartubuntu | Oo | 21:18 |
| jhanafrog | not since college | 21:18 |
| iheartubuntu | for me its more like OOooooo Crap | 21:18 |
| jhanafrog | OO.org | 21:18 |
| jledbetter | jhanafrog, Seidos? | 21:18 |
| jhanafrog | :| | 21:18 |
| jhanafrog | why does it matter? | 21:19 |
| jledbetter | jhanafrog, I figure you keep changing your nick because you know I love mystery. | 21:19 |
| akk | It's very confusing. | 21:20 |
| jhanafrog | i actually didn't know you loved mystery jledbetter, good to know | 21:20 |
| jledbetter | There's a pattern though so that's helpful. | 21:20 |
| jhanafrog | "helpful" that's an interesting way of describing it | 21:23 |
| jledbetter | But yes, it's confusing. | 21:24 |
| jtatum | aw | 21:26 |
| jledbetter | jtatum, ? | 21:26 |
| iheartubuntu | who here is into genealogy? i read it someplace :) | 21:30 |
| jledbetter | iheartubuntu, I'm into it. You? :) | 21:30 |
| iheartubuntu | definitely! | 21:30 |
| iheartubuntu | GRAMPS! | 21:30 |
| jledbetter | iheartubuntu, Yes, I am your grandfather. | 21:30 |
| iheartubuntu | haha | 21:31 |
| jledbetter | iheartubuntu, How are you wandering along the tree? | 21:31 |
| iheartubuntu | my moms side is well documented, but my dads... almost nothing | 21:31 |
| iheartubuntu | he came here after WW2 as a kid so not much info | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | met my wife thanks to research | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | grandfather on my dads side was captured and sent to russian gulag, so i looked for a russian interpreter after finding the prison docs :) | 21:32 |
| jledbetter | Good that something nice came from that. | 21:33 |
| iheartubuntu | yah | 21:33 |
| jhanafrog | lotus | 21:34 |
| jledbetter | I've mostly just been using onl-- | 21:34 |
| jledbetter | Hrm. | 21:34 |
| jledbetter | iheartubuntu, Yeah, I've mostly been using online stuff but put out a few posts here and there "Looking for" but nothing yet. | 21:34 |
| iheartubuntu | are u using gramps? | 21:34 |
| jledbetter | No. Something close-sourced. Might export and import to share the tree with others. | 21:35 |
| jledbetter | iheartubuntu, That's the one that lets us put it online right? | 21:35 |
| iheartubuntu | GRAMPS is a geneaology program for linux/ubuntu | 21:35 |
| iheartubuntu | works nice | 21:35 |
| iheartubuntu | i was using something from ancestry.com when first got into it | 21:36 |
| iheartubuntu | then switched the GEDCOM files when I went to latter day saints for some help | 21:36 |
| iheartubuntu | they are actually pretty helpful | 21:36 |
| jledbetter | I'll look into that :) I'm still new to it but am back to 1400s or so with one line. So much more to go :( | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | wow that is incredible | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | my moms side goes a few generations back to germany/austria where they built churches before coming here. | 21:38 |
| iheartubuntu | my dads side is tricky | 21:38 |
| iheartubuntu | had ancestors that immigrated to the US before WWI and then went back home before the war broke out | 21:39 |
| iheartubuntu | so my grandmother was born here, but not my dad | 21:39 |
| iheartubuntu | very interesting anyways | 21:39 |
| iheartubuntu | and GRAMPS handles it all very well | 21:39 |
| iheartubuntu | no frills and works solid | 21:40 |
| jledbetter | I'll check it out:) | 21:40 |
| * iheartubuntu is working on his Polish citizenship | 21:42 | |
| jhanafrog | i was planning on working on letters to various well-off individuals to request funding for a yoga&meditation&garden&hackerspace | 21:48 |
| jhanafrog | my friend told me not to bother | 21:48 |
| jledbetter | jhanafrog, Why not? Those things can go well together. | 21:48 |
| jhanafrog | i dunno, i'll have to ask him why not | 21:49 |
| jledbetter | Or just do what you want :) | 21:49 |
| jhanafrog | i guess i just assumed he's jaded | 21:49 |
| jhanafrog | he's tired, he just had 2 chem tests | 21:49 |
| jhanafrog | maybe that's why | 21:49 |
| jledbetter | Ah | 21:49 |
| jhanafrog | anyway, it might be fun just to think about it. like how much it would cost to run such a place | 21:50 |
| kdub_ | jhanafrog: i was looking into that for my area, what part of the state are you in? | 21:53 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: LA area. i would be willing to relocate though. | 21:53 |
| kdub_ | there's a few hackerspaces in LA | 21:54 |
| kdub_ | i'm down in SD | 21:54 |
| jhanafrog | yeah, we met at SCaLE i think kdub_ | 21:54 |
| jhanafrog | <--- the other kevin | 21:54 |
| kdub_ | oh yeah... | 21:54 |
| jhanafrog | i read about a hackerspace in LA | 21:56 |
| jhanafrog | i follow the hackerspaces.org rss feed | 21:56 |
| jhanafrog | i'll have to visit it, but i doubt anything will really be like what i have in mind | 21:57 |
| jhanafrog | probably because nobody wants it ^_^ | 21:57 |
| jledbetter | 1 does :p | 21:58 |
| iheartubuntu | im going to be doing a presentation later today (at work). do i need to press any keys to switch from laptop monitor to an external plugged in monitor? | 21:58 |
| jhanafrog | probably fn-f5 iheartubuntu | 21:58 |
| jledbetter | jhanafrog, Maybe find one and offer to expand/hold a session there or something? | 21:58 |
| iheartubuntu | ty | 21:59 |
| iheartubuntu | u d best | 21:59 |
| jhanafrog | no u | 21:59 |
| jhanafrog | jledbetter: that's an idea | 21:59 |
| jledbetter | jhanafrog, I hope it works out :) It sounds like a great combo | 22:00 |
| iheartubuntu | no u | 22:01 |
| iheartubuntu | i think ive even seen books on how to write such letters seidos | 22:02 |
| iheartubuntu | its definitely possible | 22:02 |
| jhanafrog | well, i need ideas for where to recommend such a thing. | 22:02 |
| jhanafrog | i kind of need to know the location before i can figure out how much it will cost | 22:03 |
| kdub_ | in ann arbor, there was a hackerspace that was given a corner of an xbox-arcade | 22:03 |
| jhanafrog | it obviously wouldn't be someplace terribly expensive | 22:03 |
| akk | iheartubuntu: Practice that switching before you get to the presentation -- different laptops have it on different keys. | 22:03 |
| kdub_ | although yoga studios probably don't want technology harshing their mellow | 22:03 |
| akk | iheartubuntu: You can try it with any monitor, doesn't have to be a projector. | 22:03 |
| jhanafrog | perhaps yoga isn't the right term then | 22:04 |
| jhanafrog | why couldn't yoga be hacked though? | 22:04 |
| jhanafrog | perhaps it's hackerspace first, yoga studio second | 22:04 |
| * kdub_ doesnt get yoga | 22:05 | |
| jhanafrog | it would probably need multiple floors, or sectioned off areas though. hackerspace on the bottom floor, garden in the back, exercise on the 2nd floor, meditation on the 3rd floor | 22:05 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: exercise then | 22:06 |
| jhanafrog | afaik the goal of yoga is meditation | 22:06 |
| jhanafrog | exercise is more general, that's why i said it | 22:07 |
| iheartubuntu | for never using openoffice presentation before ever, i am totally blown away how nice it is. the 3D pie charts and b3D bar graphs are top notch | 22:07 |
| iheartubuntu | we have a projector too, but i think the room is too small for it so i was going to hook up to a 22" monitor. thanks akk | 22:08 |
| akk | I've been to so many talks where the first 10 minutes was "everybody crowd around the speaker and offer suggestions on how to get the external screen working" | 22:09 |
| iheartubuntu | (so is it called open office "presentation" or "impress"?) | 22:09 |
| iheartubuntu | half the talks at scale were like that! | 22:09 |
| iheartubuntu | the only people who knew how to do anything was at ubucon! | 22:09 |
| iheartubuntu | :p | 22:09 |
| akk | We must have gone to very different talks -- I was amazed at how much professionalism I saw at SCALE. | 22:09 |
| akk | Even several talks that included videos (usually that's a huge point of bustage and "honest, it worked when I tried it at home!") | 22:10 |
| iheartubuntu | jhanafrog and i walked into one room... packed... i forget which one it was... near registration and they could not get the comp working with the screne | 22:10 |
| jhanafrog | i actually liked some of the talks better than ubucon, but i tended to show up after they already started | 22:10 |
| iheartubuntu | screen | 22:10 |
| jhanafrog | really? | 22:10 |
| jhanafrog | i don't recall that | 22:11 |
| iheartubuntu | id have to look at a schedule to recall | 22:11 |
| pleia2 | wasn't it actually about byobu? | 22:11 |
| iheartubuntu | not on my to do list at the moment | 22:11 |
| iheartubuntu | hmm. i dont remember. it was on friday tho | 22:11 |
| iheartubuntu | so.... i dont want to sweat hooking this thing up :) | 22:12 |
| iheartubuntu | i better test before | 22:12 |
| pleia2 | ah ok, dustin's byobu talk was saturday | 22:12 |
| iheartubuntu | otherwise we will be looking at a little laptop | 22:12 |
| akk | Friday, miniconf day, will always have more of that stuff -- miniconfs are a great place for beginning speakers to practice. | 22:12 |
| jhanafrog | i have to admit some talks had better lighting than others | 22:15 |
| iheartubuntu | so there was a Sys76 guy at ubucon? | 22:15 |
| jhanafrog | yeah, i saw him | 22:16 |
| jhanafrog | he looked pretty hip | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | im trying ot get a tester system from them | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | they like the idea but i have to keep reminding them | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | im looking for a banshee media player backup file in the filesystem. something i can find all my radio stations and back em up... but i see a ton of EXE files in banshees folder. WTH! | 22:18 |
| jhanafrog | i am thinking of taking out the backseat of my car, and the passenger seat, to see if i can make the car like one of those live in capsules | 22:19 |
| iheartubuntu | id get a VW bus if i were you. | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | 1974 | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | pop top tent | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | sink | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | stove | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | 5 gall water container | 22:20 |
| jhanafrog | you must have $ :) | 22:20 |
| kdub_ | jhanafrog: not to digress back to the hackerspace/yoga, but it might just be better to start one, get it going, then start the other | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | two twin beds | 22:20 |
| kdub_ | i'm sure both are tough ventures to start up in their own rights | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | "suicide" closet (blocking rear view to the right) | 22:21 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: it probably makes sense just to call it a hackerspace | 22:21 |
| jhanafrog | i asked the people at noisebridge if they wanted to do "self defense hacking" | 22:21 |
| jhanafrog | i mean, what is the limit to "hacking", really? | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | i bet you could pick up a buss for $1500 | 22:21 |
| kdub_ | not a 1974 VM beatle | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | hook it up with net and built in computers | 22:21 |
| jhanafrog | $1500 i don't have | 22:21 |
| kdub_ | or van | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | not in SD :) | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | expensive there | 22:22 |
| iheartubuntu | head up north id say | 22:22 |
| jhanafrog | why would you want a vw bus with built in computers? | 22:22 |
| jhanafrog | games? | 22:22 |
| iheartubuntu | to do IRC while going 5 mph in the slow lane going up the grapevine | 22:22 |
| iheartubuntu | :D | 22:22 |
| jhanafrog | haha | 22:22 |
| kdub_ | i'd guess those models are considered classics, with their cultural significance | 22:22 |
| iheartubuntu | trust me youll need something to keep you occupied | 22:22 |
| jhanafrog | i had a coworker that had a vw bus | 22:23 |
| jhanafrog | i'm just thinking if i can shower at the university, i could probably sleep in my car and save gas | 22:23 |
| jhanafrog | actually, the bigger problem is no bathroom | 22:24 |
| kdub_ | grad students get handy offices... | 22:24 |
| jhanafrog | if you gotta' go at night...anyway | 22:24 |
| kdub_ | my school had a 24h library we brought tents to during finals | 22:24 |
| jhanafrog | what school kdub_? | 22:24 |
| jhanafrog | are you a grad student? | 22:24 |
| kdub_ | no, and i went to umich | 22:25 |
| jhanafrog | i learned the graduation % at csulb is 54%, compared to 89% at ucla and cal tech | 22:25 |
| jhanafrog | that's bad | 22:26 |
| akk | Lots of reasons for that. | 22:26 |
| kdub_ | the interesting statistic to me is the 4year vs 5year graduation | 22:27 |
| kdub_ | umich's undergrad engineering wass trending to 5y bachelors as the norm | 22:27 |
| jhanafrog | haha, i'm like the 8 year graduation | 22:27 |
| jhanafrog | i thought it was interesting that the stat isn't on csulb's website | 22:27 |
| akk | jhanafrog: Is that of people on a graduation track, or does it include everybody taking classes? | 22:28 |
| jhanafrog | i dunno though, i may have given up as a undergrad if i heard it | 22:28 |
| jhanafrog | akk: it would have to be individuals that selected a major. so a "graduation" track | 22:29 |
| jhanafrog | it is a commuter school, primarily | 22:29 |
| akk | One thing about CSUs is that there are a lot of people just taking classes/continuing ed, or a "take a few classes as I get the money and time for it" track. | 22:30 |
| jhanafrog | interesting, yeah, i probably counted against that stat, since i started as computer science, left, came back, changed majors, then graduated | 22:31 |
| akk | You don't see that so much at private schools where they're paying $40k/year or whatever. | 22:31 |
| * kdub_ doesnt beleive in higher education :) | 22:31 | |
| * akk took lots of classes at CSULA back in the day, and would like to take some at SJSU but is trying to justify the expense. | 22:31 | |
| jhanafrog | i will only go back if i get federal aid | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I've found it impossible to justify the expense | 22:32 |
| jhanafrog | and considering how poor i am, i should get something | 22:32 |
| jhanafrog | i could justify it if it's free | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | for me expense includes time, and I don't have much of that either | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | oh well, I've made it this far without ever taking a class :) | 22:32 |
| jhanafrog | yeah, opportunity cost | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | there is so much material online now anyway | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | I can take MIT python classes for free from my couch | 22:33 |
| jhanafrog | i think online material is silly | 22:33 |
| jhanafrog | they should just give you the option to take the standardized tests | 22:33 |
| akk | The trouble with self-teaching via books or online is not having someone to answer questions. | 22:33 |
| kdub_ | the university system is broken, imho | 22:33 |
| jhanafrog | or having someone to talk to | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | akk: yeah, that's what IRC is for! :) | 22:34 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: +1 | 22:34 |
| kdub_ | but it is what it is, i got through it | 22:34 |
| jhanafrog | someone fix it :P | 22:34 |
| akk | pleia2: I wish I could find irc channels to answer most of the questions I come up with ... :) | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | akk: yeah, IRC or akk's blog, since she finds the answers to all the tough ones | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 22:34 |
| akk | I'd like to see online courses organized around the online material. | 22:34 |
| akk | haha :) | 22:34 |
| jhanafrog | i suspect it is easier to find answers in a lab than it is on irc or in a classroom | 22:35 |
| jhanafrog | that's one of the reasons i liked the caltech campus | 22:35 |
| akk | I don't get excited about "woo, MIT courses online" because I'm not clear how that's different from just getting a book | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | admittedly I do think from time to time it would be nice to have an actual teacher to ask | 22:35 |
| akk | but if I could follow the online course, and be on a mailing list with 100 other people who were following it | 22:35 |
| akk | then maybe we could get somewhere. | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | oh I just watch the videos | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | so it's realy "online lectures" | 22:35 |
| akk | Whether videos or text, same argument still applies. | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | and they have the homework available | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 22:36 |
| akk | It's easy to watch/read along and go yeah yeah, that's clear, I understand | 22:36 |
| jhanafrog | khanacademy is better than MIT imo | 22:36 |
| jhanafrog | in terms of videos | 22:36 |
| akk | then you try to do the problem set and, oops! it wasn't as clear as you thought | 22:36 |
| jhanafrog | the videos are more direct and to the point | 22:36 |
| jhanafrog | but, no python :( | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | jhanafrog: I guess it depends on what you're studying :) | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | yeah, for chemistry - sure! not so much for python | 22:36 |
| akk | Most of python has pretty great docs online (with a few minor exceptions). | 22:37 |
| jhanafrog | the MIT python class didn't teach me anything, unfortunately. it was too slow, and i didn't have patience for it | 22:37 |
| jhanafrog | or was that LISP? oh, it was both ;) | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | I watched the first few while my boss was too, it was helpful for us to talk about them | 22:38 |
| kdub_ | the best way to learn is to do things next to someone who knows how do what you're doing | 22:38 |
| jhanafrog | if i was more motivated i could probably learn python i think... | 22:38 |
| kdub_ | the blacksmith approach :P | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | I sorta fell off though because I'm more of a sysadmin anyway | 22:38 |
| akk | yep, for computers that's always best! (what kdub_ said) | 22:38 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: apprentices. that's how the masons do it allegedly | 22:39 |
| akk | but of course if you don't have a master sitting nearby, you need alternatives | 22:39 |
| kdub_ | even for any abstract problem solving | 22:39 |
| jhanafrog | student solutions manual :) | 22:39 |
| jhanafrog | well, find a problem, and try to solve it | 22:40 |
| * akk happily working for someone who's better at python than I am, great way to learn fast | 22:40 | |
| akk | I've been using python for years but I've been lazy and avoided some parts of it. | 22:40 |
| jhanafrog | my level of motivation is pretty small for python right now. i suppose i could try getting clicompanion to work | 22:41 |
| jhanafrog | i can only write small programs. like 10 lines | 22:41 |
| kdub_ | jhanafrog: what are you studying? | 22:53 |
| iheartubuntu | fn F5 doesnt work :( | 22:53 |
| iheartubuntu | screen comes up but cannot see icons or top/bottom bars | 22:54 |
| iheartubuntu | can see the wallpaper but no desktop icons or anything | 22:54 |
| iheartubuntu | ohh well. the monitor is 15" so not too bad | 22:55 |
| iheartubuntu | in a very small room too | 22:55 |
| iheartubuntu | not like a conference room | 22:55 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: right now? i'm reading this: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/burns/wheel088.html | 22:56 |
| jhanafrog | kdub_: but, i suspect that's not what you were asking. you mean if i get education paid for? | 22:58 |
| akk | I use xrandr to send my screen output to a projector | 23:03 |
| akk | but I don't know how well that works from gnome. | 23:03 |
| akk | xrandr lets you control the resolution you're sending, so you don't (or do, if you want to) cut off parts of the screen. | 23:03 |
| jhanafrog | fn-f5 worked for me in gnome, to a 15" lcd | 23:03 |
| jhanafrog | probably has something to do with the video driver | 23:04 |
| jhanafrog | i wonder what video chipset iheartubuntu is working with | 23:04 |
| jhanafrog | i would think, anyway | 23:04 |
| jhanafrog | could be wrong | 23:04 |
| akk | There are a lot of variables -- the video driver, ACPI, whether the Fn keys generate regular key events or ACPI events or BIOS events or nothing | 23:04 |
| jhanafrog | perhaps there's a script that the key press executes | 23:05 |
| jhanafrog | there is sleep.sh for suspend | 23:05 |
| akk | And in gnome you usually have to go through that annoying multiple-screen dialog to set the resolution of the second screen. | 23:05 |
| jhanafrog | i had to hit fn-f5 several times to get what i wanted, but i'm used to that. there wasn't a dialog though | 23:07 |
| akk | this dialog, http://people.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-04.html | 23:07 |
| akk | (spent so much time watching people fiddle with that at the beginning of talks ... and the mac and win equivalents) | 23:07 |
| jhanafrog | never messed with that in gnome | 23:08 |
| jhanafrog | i've seen it in windows though | 23:08 |
| akk | What happens is that the projector is 1024x768 but your monitor is set for something else, so you're projecting at a funny resolution until you adjust it in that dialog. | 23:09 |
| jhanafrog | i don't have a projector :) | 23:10 |
| jhanafrog | i better get my towel | 23:11 |
| jhanafrog | but which one is really mine? | 23:11 |
| akk | Nor do I, but giving talks with slides generally involves one. | 23:11 |
| jhanafrog | i've never had a problem giving a talk, fn-f5 automagically has worked | 23:11 |
| jhanafrog | i've never tried with this notebook though | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | my netbook autoadjusts to projector screens | 23:13 |
| iheartubuntu | so im gonna try the projector next | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | haven't tried it since upgrading to 10.04, but my television is a pretty good test thing (same television as was at ubucon at scale!) | 23:14 |
| akk | pleia2, I always wonder about netbooks: what do they do about having less resolution than the projector? | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | akk: the screen you see on the netbook itself ends up looking a bit cut off, but it hasn't ever been extreme enough to be a problem | 23:14 |
| akk | So it adjusts to the projector resolution and you just can't see the bottom 168 pixels on the netbook's display? | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | akk: yep | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | and who needs those bottom 168 pixels :) | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | I just need my screen to make sure I'm on the correct slide | 23:16 |
| akk | I would for gimp talks, but not for slides. | 23:16 |
| jhanafrog | i sent an ipaq to a projector once, it just displayed small like on the screen, but the projector was able to display it | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | yeah, if you're actually doing a demo I could see it get annoying | 23:17 |
| iheartubuntu | thanks everyone! | 23:17 |
| jhanafrog | without anything being cut off | 23:18 |
| jhanafrog | anyone here interested in making their own custom ubuntu iso? | 23:33 |
| akk | I'd be interested in making one for a USB stick. | 23:33 |
| jhanafrog | have you tried remastersys? | 23:37 |
| akk | no, haven't heard of it. | 23:37 |
| jhanafrog | me too, incidentally | 23:37 |
| jhanafrog | i want to select my own default packages | 23:37 |
| jhanafrog | it was mentioned in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=551713&page=3 | 23:38 |
| jhanafrog | it's for older versions of ubuntu though | 23:38 |
| jhanafrog | er, the thread is | 23:39 |
| jhanafrog | i dunno about remastersys | 23:39 |
| jhanafrog | here's another link akk, http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html | 23:39 |
| jhanafrog | if i get it working i'll let you know | 23:39 |
| akk | yeah, I was just noticing that 2007 date in the first link | 23:40 |
| akk | Will be interested to hear how well it works. | 23:41 |
| akk | I wish I had something like top or ps for the network. | 23:43 |
| pleia2 | akk: < wilmer> pleia2: Tell her that the password should be just anything, also not the identify password. | 23:45 |
| pleia2 | ^^ bitlbee author, upon reading your blog post | 23:46 |
| pleia2 | < wilmer> Otherwise cool :-) | 23:46 |
| akk | I'm confused now. What should it be? | 23:47 |
| akk | Which password shouldn't be the identify passwd? | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | not a real password | 23:47 |
| akk | (I was guessing because none of the docs gives a hint what the various passwd args should be, but it seemed to work) | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | the add protocol in bitlbee isn't flexible enough to take an argument without a password, but it just ignores it | 23:47 |
| akk | I picked something for it, then I used that same something as the server password in my xchat server dialog. | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | so it could be Ilikeponies :) | 23:48 |
| akk | If those aren't the same, where else would I be setting the one that I have to set in the xchat dialog? | 23:48 |
| pleia2 | this is just for the initial addition of the twitter account | 23:48 |
| pleia2 | so in "account add twitter your-twitter-handle passwd" the "passwd" is random-whatever-I-get-ignored-anyway | 23:49 |
| akk | Okay, so the register passwd one is the one that matters, and the one in account add is just any placeholder? | 23:50 |
| pleia2 | yep | 23:50 |
| akk | Thanks! Will update. Please thank wilmer too. | 23:50 |
| pleia2 | will do :) | 23:50 |
| jhanafrog | whoa, 79.99 for warcraft 2 battle.net edition? that's absurd. | 23:53 |
| jhanafrog | well, games are kind of like crack, so i guess it makes sense | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | still costs $30 for standard old warcraft 3 | 23:55 |
| akk | Updated the bitlbee post. | 23:55 |
| pleia2 | perfect! | 23:56 |
| akk | whew :) | 23:56 |
| jhanafrog | warcraft 3 won't run on my system well, warcraft 2 is even slightly sluggish | 23:57 |
| jhanafrog | :| | 23:57 |
| jhanafrog | when i got this notebook i didn't plan on playing any 3d games | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 23:57 |
| jhanafrog | when i was at ucla the other day, i found out they had a PC lan gaming arcade at the student union | 23:58 |
| jhanafrog | it was $4 / hr | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | they were good games so I'm not surprised people still play them, but it does weird me out a little to see the new WC3 boxes in stores (that did come out a DECADE ago, right?!) | 23:59 |
| jhanafrog | there were like 4 people playing, on a saturday | 23:59 |
| jhanafrog | dang, has it been that long? | 23:59 |
| jhanafrog | it seems like just yesterday | 23:59 |
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