[03:30] dang Empathy! I missed an important IM! [08:34] Espresso anyone? [08:43] It's bad enough I'm still up as it is. [08:47] haha [08:47] must be good beer or company [08:47] im working on a presentation for my company [08:58] does the Ubuntu dictionary query the internet for definitions or is it built into the OS for offline use [09:13] Im slow. Hoping to finish by 3am [09:13] Surprised philipbalew has awoken by now. This is usually his time to shine! [09:13] *has not [09:13] i think im getting sleepy [09:17] spell check in OO presentation didnt find my two misspellings [09:17] its spell check and google searches that keep me one step above my competition :) [09:17] (not like i have competition) [10:06] does anyone know if open office presentation embeds my images i put in? ive never worked with it before. i dont want to take me presentation on a chip only to find out i needed all the images too [10:07] im guessing its embedding them. it was 80k with a bunch of text before adding images, now its 2.8mb [10:37] I'm off to see the wizard! [15:16] Down Maximus! Down boy! Down noble steed. [15:16] * iheartubuntu dusts himself off [15:23] Strong Gains by Redhat... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-micron-help-push-tech-gains-2011-03-24 [15:43] How do we add a topic to the next meeting? [15:44] iheartubuntu: edit the agenda on the wiki. [15:44] ahh, thanks [16:02] thanks pleia2 [16:14] jtatum: not me this time, iheartubuntu is helping keep the feeds updated too now :) [16:24] good deal thanks iheartubuntu [16:25] ;) [16:25] (i just winked at a guy) [16:25] its a cute wink in empathy anyways [16:40] anyone here a pro with OpenOffice Impress? [16:41] * akk avoids it as much as possible [16:41] I had made a presentation and added a 50mb video file. I didnt want it and deleted it from the page, but the saved file is still a whooping 53mb, and it should only be 3mb [16:41] Not sure how I can search for all media content and then somehow delete the video file (which i thought i deleted on screen) [17:19] Wow, the new natty wallpaper landed befor UI freeze. I'm impressed. [17:28] some very nice wallpapers! [20:00] hello [20:00] its dumping here in this part of CA [20:01] aqnd a bit windy too [20:01] hello ryaxnb [20:01] where r u? [20:01] no rain yet in SoCal [20:01] tonite I tihnk [20:01] Felton, CA, near SantaCruz, CA in central CA [20:01] nice area [20:01] indeed [20:01] yeah, it's been raining for hours here in SF [20:01] i used to drive up to Volks Cafe in Soquel all the time for my VW bus :) [20:02] they closed to zoo today! [20:02] no zoo? [20:02] not that I was planning to go today :) [20:02] foo [20:02] do zoos close? [20:02] apparently for bad rain [20:02] no one would have come anyway [20:02] it raining too much [20:03] rather go to an art museum or that wonderful CAS [20:03] I like sleeping in when it rains [20:03] (i'll stop before this becomes a poem or something) [20:03] me too, but I am supposed to be working, my boss doesn't like it when I sleep at work [20:03] haha [20:04] felton is the rainiest part of the SF bay area [20:04] I think i just like being home though when its raining [20:04] i like using my laptop and surfing as i always do [20:20] so i am full embedded into using Empathy now [20:22] I like it because it feels lightweight, unlike Pidgin. And it does IRC fine. With chat contacts and IRC all in one. Very nice. [20:22] Couple of buggy things, like if you write too long of a sentence, Empathy grows to the right side :) [20:22] other than that I like it [21:03] what does jhana mean [21:04] the Ubuntu Dictionary has no definitions or similar words [21:07] sadly, i don't think shuttleworth practices samadhi [21:14] iheartubuntu: it's a buddhist term for a state of concentration [21:15] * iheartubuntu wishes empathy would blink the message indicator icon [21:15] so "concentrating frog" [21:16] i'm the only one in #empathy :( [21:16] empathy might use another server, no? [21:16] it is more specific than that [21:16] there is no #openoffice here but there is a #libreoffice [21:16] there was somebody in #empathy before [21:16] i dunno [21:16] jhanafrog are you good with OO Impress? [21:16] #empathy is on irc.gnome.org [21:17] no, never heard [21:17] its OO presentation (like powerpoint) [21:17] thanks jtatum, i'll check it out [21:17] oh OO is open office, i thought it was object oriented [21:18] nah, i never do presentations anymore [21:18] Oo [21:18] not since college [21:18] for me its more like OOooooo Crap [21:18] OO.org [21:18] jhanafrog, Seidos? [21:18] :| [21:19] why does it matter? [21:19] jhanafrog, I figure you keep changing your nick because you know I love mystery. [21:20] It's very confusing. [21:20] i actually didn't know you loved mystery jledbetter, good to know [21:20] There's a pattern though so that's helpful. [21:23] "helpful" that's an interesting way of describing it [21:24] But yes, it's confusing. [21:26] aw [21:26] jtatum, ? [21:30] who here is into genealogy? i read it someplace :) [21:30] iheartubuntu, I'm into it. You? :) [21:30] definitely! [21:30] GRAMPS! [21:30] iheartubuntu, Yes, I am your grandfather. [21:31] haha [21:31] iheartubuntu, How are you wandering along the tree? [21:31] my moms side is well documented, but my dads... almost nothing [21:32] he came here after WW2 as a kid so not much info [21:32] met my wife thanks to research [21:32] grandfather on my dads side was captured and sent to russian gulag, so i looked for a russian interpreter after finding the prison docs :) [21:33] Good that something nice came from that. [21:33] yah [21:34] lotus [21:34] I've mostly just been using onl-- [21:34] Hrm. [21:34] iheartubuntu, Yeah, I've mostly been using online stuff but put out a few posts here and there "Looking for" but nothing yet. [21:34] are u using gramps? [21:35] No. Something close-sourced. Might export and import to share the tree with others. [21:35] iheartubuntu, That's the one that lets us put it online right? [21:35] GRAMPS is a geneaology program for linux/ubuntu [21:35] works nice [21:36] i was using something from ancestry.com when first got into it [21:36] then switched the GEDCOM files when I went to latter day saints for some help [21:36] they are actually pretty helpful [21:37] I'll look into that :) I'm still new to it but am back to 1400s or so with one line. So much more to go :( [21:37] wow that is incredible [21:38] my moms side goes a few generations back to germany/austria where they built churches before coming here. [21:38] my dads side is tricky [21:39] had ancestors that immigrated to the US before WWI and then went back home before the war broke out [21:39] so my grandmother was born here, but not my dad [21:39] very interesting anyways [21:39] and GRAMPS handles it all very well [21:40] no frills and works solid [21:40] I'll check it out:) [21:42] * iheartubuntu is working on his Polish citizenship [21:48] i was planning on working on letters to various well-off individuals to request funding for a yoga&meditation&garden&hackerspace [21:48] my friend told me not to bother [21:48] jhanafrog, Why not? Those things can go well together. [21:49] i dunno, i'll have to ask him why not [21:49] Or just do what you want :) [21:49] i guess i just assumed he's jaded [21:49] he's tired, he just had 2 chem tests [21:49] maybe that's why [21:49] Ah [21:50] anyway, it might be fun just to think about it. like how much it would cost to run such a place [21:53] jhanafrog: i was looking into that for my area, what part of the state are you in? [21:53] kdub_: LA area. i would be willing to relocate though. [21:54] there's a few hackerspaces in LA [21:54] i'm down in SD [21:54] yeah, we met at SCaLE i think kdub_ [21:54] <--- the other kevin [21:54] oh yeah... [21:56] i read about a hackerspace in LA [21:56] i follow the hackerspaces.org rss feed [21:57] i'll have to visit it, but i doubt anything will really be like what i have in mind [21:57] probably because nobody wants it ^_^ [21:58] 1 does :p [21:58] im going to be doing a presentation later today (at work). do i need to press any keys to switch from laptop monitor to an external plugged in monitor? [21:58] probably fn-f5 iheartubuntu [21:58] jhanafrog, Maybe find one and offer to expand/hold a session there or something? [21:59] ty [21:59] u d best [21:59] no u [21:59] jledbetter: that's an idea [22:00] jhanafrog, I hope it works out :) It sounds like a great combo [22:01] no u [22:02] i think ive even seen books on how to write such letters seidos [22:02] its definitely possible [22:02] well, i need ideas for where to recommend such a thing. [22:03] i kind of need to know the location before i can figure out how much it will cost [22:03] in ann arbor, there was a hackerspace that was given a corner of an xbox-arcade [22:03] it obviously wouldn't be someplace terribly expensive [22:03] iheartubuntu: Practice that switching before you get to the presentation -- different laptops have it on different keys. [22:03] although yoga studios probably don't want technology harshing their mellow [22:03] iheartubuntu: You can try it with any monitor, doesn't have to be a projector. [22:04] perhaps yoga isn't the right term then [22:04] why couldn't yoga be hacked though? [22:04] perhaps it's hackerspace first, yoga studio second [22:05] * kdub_ doesnt get yoga [22:05] it would probably need multiple floors, or sectioned off areas though. hackerspace on the bottom floor, garden in the back, exercise on the 2nd floor, meditation on the 3rd floor [22:06] kdub_: exercise then [22:06] afaik the goal of yoga is meditation [22:07] exercise is more general, that's why i said it [22:07] for never using openoffice presentation before ever, i am totally blown away how nice it is. the 3D pie charts and b3D bar graphs are top notch [22:08] we have a projector too, but i think the room is too small for it so i was going to hook up to a 22" monitor. thanks akk [22:09] I've been to so many talks where the first 10 minutes was "everybody crowd around the speaker and offer suggestions on how to get the external screen working" [22:09] (so is it called open office "presentation" or "impress"?) [22:09] half the talks at scale were like that! [22:09] the only people who knew how to do anything was at ubucon! [22:09] :p [22:09] We must have gone to very different talks -- I was amazed at how much professionalism I saw at SCALE. [22:10] Even several talks that included videos (usually that's a huge point of bustage and "honest, it worked when I tried it at home!") [22:10] jhanafrog and i walked into one room... packed... i forget which one it was... near registration and they could not get the comp working with the screne [22:10] i actually liked some of the talks better than ubucon, but i tended to show up after they already started [22:10] screen [22:10] really? [22:11] i don't recall that [22:11] id have to look at a schedule to recall [22:11] wasn't it actually about byobu? [22:11] not on my to do list at the moment [22:11] hmm. i dont remember. it was on friday tho [22:12] so.... i dont want to sweat hooking this thing up :) [22:12] i better test before [22:12] ah ok, dustin's byobu talk was saturday [22:12] otherwise we will be looking at a little laptop [22:12] Friday, miniconf day, will always have more of that stuff -- miniconfs are a great place for beginning speakers to practice. [22:15] i have to admit some talks had better lighting than others [22:15] so there was a Sys76 guy at ubucon? [22:16] yeah, i saw him [22:16] he looked pretty hip [22:16] im trying ot get a tester system from them [22:16] they like the idea but i have to keep reminding them [22:18] im looking for a banshee media player backup file in the filesystem. something i can find all my radio stations and back em up... but i see a ton of EXE files in banshees folder. WTH! [22:19] i am thinking of taking out the backseat of my car, and the passenger seat, to see if i can make the car like one of those live in capsules [22:20] id get a VW bus if i were you. [22:20] 1974 [22:20] pop top tent [22:20] sink [22:20] stove [22:20] 5 gall water container [22:20] you must have $ :) [22:20] jhanafrog: not to digress back to the hackerspace/yoga, but it might just be better to start one, get it going, then start the other [22:20] two twin beds [22:20] i'm sure both are tough ventures to start up in their own rights [22:21] "suicide" closet (blocking rear view to the right) [22:21] kdub_: it probably makes sense just to call it a hackerspace [22:21] i asked the people at noisebridge if they wanted to do "self defense hacking" [22:21] i mean, what is the limit to "hacking", really? [22:21] i bet you could pick up a buss for $1500 [22:21] not a 1974 VM beatle [22:21] hook it up with net and built in computers [22:21] $1500 i don't have [22:21] or van [22:21] not in SD :) [22:22] expensive there [22:22] head up north id say [22:22] why would you want a vw bus with built in computers? [22:22] games? [22:22] to do IRC while going 5 mph in the slow lane going up the grapevine [22:22] :D [22:22] haha [22:22] i'd guess those models are considered classics, with their cultural significance [22:22] trust me youll need something to keep you occupied [22:23] i had a coworker that had a vw bus [22:23] i'm just thinking if i can shower at the university, i could probably sleep in my car and save gas [22:24] actually, the bigger problem is no bathroom [22:24] grad students get handy offices... [22:24] if you gotta' go at night...anyway [22:24] my school had a 24h library we brought tents to during finals [22:24] what school kdub_? [22:24] are you a grad student? [22:25] no, and i went to umich [22:25] i learned the graduation % at csulb is 54%, compared to 89% at ucla and cal tech [22:26] that's bad [22:26] Lots of reasons for that. [22:27] the interesting statistic to me is the 4year vs 5year graduation [22:27] umich's undergrad engineering wass trending to 5y bachelors as the norm [22:27] haha, i'm like the 8 year graduation [22:27] i thought it was interesting that the stat isn't on csulb's website [22:28] jhanafrog: Is that of people on a graduation track, or does it include everybody taking classes? [22:28] i dunno though, i may have given up as a undergrad if i heard it [22:29] akk: it would have to be individuals that selected a major. so a "graduation" track [22:29] it is a commuter school, primarily [22:30] One thing about CSUs is that there are a lot of people just taking classes/continuing ed, or a "take a few classes as I get the money and time for it" track. [22:31] interesting, yeah, i probably counted against that stat, since i started as computer science, left, came back, changed majors, then graduated [22:31] You don't see that so much at private schools where they're paying $40k/year or whatever. [22:31] * kdub_ doesnt beleive in higher education :) [22:31] * akk took lots of classes at CSULA back in the day, and would like to take some at SJSU but is trying to justify the expense. [22:32] i will only go back if i get federal aid [22:32] yeah, I've found it impossible to justify the expense [22:32] and considering how poor i am, i should get something [22:32] i could justify it if it's free [22:32] for me expense includes time, and I don't have much of that either [22:32] oh well, I've made it this far without ever taking a class :) [22:33] yeah, opportunity cost [22:33] there is so much material online now anyway [22:33] I can take MIT python classes for free from my couch [22:33] i think online material is silly [22:33] they should just give you the option to take the standardized tests [22:33] The trouble with self-teaching via books or online is not having someone to answer questions. [22:33] the university system is broken, imho [22:34] or having someone to talk to [22:34] akk: yeah, that's what IRC is for! :) [22:34] kdub_: +1 [22:34] but it is what it is, i got through it [22:34] someone fix it :P [22:34] pleia2: I wish I could find irc channels to answer most of the questions I come up with ... :) [22:34] akk: yeah, IRC or akk's blog, since she finds the answers to all the tough ones [22:34] ;) [22:34] I'd like to see online courses organized around the online material. [22:34] haha :) [22:35] i suspect it is easier to find answers in a lab than it is on irc or in a classroom [22:35] that's one of the reasons i liked the caltech campus [22:35] I don't get excited about "woo, MIT courses online" because I'm not clear how that's different from just getting a book [22:35] admittedly I do think from time to time it would be nice to have an actual teacher to ask [22:35] but if I could follow the online course, and be on a mailing list with 100 other people who were following it [22:35] then maybe we could get somewhere. [22:35] oh I just watch the videos [22:35] so it's realy "online lectures" [22:36] Whether videos or text, same argument still applies. [22:36] and they have the homework available [22:36] yeah [22:36] It's easy to watch/read along and go yeah yeah, that's clear, I understand [22:36] khanacademy is better than MIT imo [22:36] in terms of videos [22:36] then you try to do the problem set and, oops! it wasn't as clear as you thought [22:36] the videos are more direct and to the point [22:36] but, no python :( [22:36] jhanafrog: I guess it depends on what you're studying :) [22:36] yeah, for chemistry - sure! not so much for python [22:37] Most of python has pretty great docs online (with a few minor exceptions). [22:37] the MIT python class didn't teach me anything, unfortunately. it was too slow, and i didn't have patience for it [22:37] or was that LISP? oh, it was both ;) [22:38] I watched the first few while my boss was too, it was helpful for us to talk about them [22:38] the best way to learn is to do things next to someone who knows how do what you're doing [22:38] if i was more motivated i could probably learn python i think... [22:38] the blacksmith approach :P [22:38] I sorta fell off though because I'm more of a sysadmin anyway [22:38] yep, for computers that's always best! (what kdub_ said) [22:39] kdub_: apprentices. that's how the masons do it allegedly [22:39] but of course if you don't have a master sitting nearby, you need alternatives [22:39] even for any abstract problem solving [22:39] student solutions manual :) [22:40] well, find a problem, and try to solve it [22:40] * akk happily working for someone who's better at python than I am, great way to learn fast [22:40] I've been using python for years but I've been lazy and avoided some parts of it. [22:41] my level of motivation is pretty small for python right now. i suppose i could try getting clicompanion to work [22:41] i can only write small programs. like 10 lines [22:53] jhanafrog: what are you studying? [22:53] fn F5 doesnt work :( [22:54] screen comes up but cannot see icons or top/bottom bars [22:54] can see the wallpaper but no desktop icons or anything [22:55] ohh well. the monitor is 15" so not too bad [22:55] in a very small room too [22:55] not like a conference room [22:56] kdub_: right now? i'm reading this: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/burns/wheel088.html [22:58] kdub_: but, i suspect that's not what you were asking. you mean if i get education paid for? [23:03] I use xrandr to send my screen output to a projector [23:03] but I don't know how well that works from gnome. [23:03] xrandr lets you control the resolution you're sending, so you don't (or do, if you want to) cut off parts of the screen. [23:03] fn-f5 worked for me in gnome, to a 15" lcd [23:04] probably has something to do with the video driver [23:04] i wonder what video chipset iheartubuntu is working with [23:04] i would think, anyway [23:04] could be wrong [23:04] There are a lot of variables -- the video driver, ACPI, whether the Fn keys generate regular key events or ACPI events or BIOS events or nothing [23:05] perhaps there's a script that the key press executes [23:05] there is sleep.sh for suspend [23:05] And in gnome you usually have to go through that annoying multiple-screen dialog to set the resolution of the second screen. [23:07] i had to hit fn-f5 several times to get what i wanted, but i'm used to that. there wasn't a dialog though [23:07] this dialog, http://people.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-04.html [23:07] (spent so much time watching people fiddle with that at the beginning of talks ... and the mac and win equivalents) [23:08] never messed with that in gnome [23:08] i've seen it in windows though [23:09] What happens is that the projector is 1024x768 but your monitor is set for something else, so you're projecting at a funny resolution until you adjust it in that dialog. [23:10] i don't have a projector :) [23:11] i better get my towel [23:11] but which one is really mine? [23:11] Nor do I, but giving talks with slides generally involves one. [23:11] i've never had a problem giving a talk, fn-f5 automagically has worked [23:12] i've never tried with this notebook though [23:13] my netbook autoadjusts to projector screens [23:14] so im gonna try the projector next [23:14] haven't tried it since upgrading to 10.04, but my television is a pretty good test thing (same television as was at ubucon at scale!) [23:14] pleia2, I always wonder about netbooks: what do they do about having less resolution than the projector? [23:14] akk: the screen you see on the netbook itself ends up looking a bit cut off, but it hasn't ever been extreme enough to be a problem [23:15] So it adjusts to the projector resolution and you just can't see the bottom 168 pixels on the netbook's display? [23:15] akk: yep [23:16] and who needs those bottom 168 pixels :) [23:16] I just need my screen to make sure I'm on the correct slide [23:16] I would for gimp talks, but not for slides. [23:16] i sent an ipaq to a projector once, it just displayed small like on the screen, but the projector was able to display it [23:17] yeah, if you're actually doing a demo I could see it get annoying [23:17] thanks everyone! [23:18] without anything being cut off [23:33] anyone here interested in making their own custom ubuntu iso? [23:33] I'd be interested in making one for a USB stick. [23:37] have you tried remastersys? [23:37] no, haven't heard of it. [23:37] me too, incidentally [23:37] i want to select my own default packages [23:38] it was mentioned in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=551713&page=3 [23:38] it's for older versions of ubuntu though [23:39] er, the thread is [23:39] i dunno about remastersys [23:39] here's another link akk, http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html [23:39] if i get it working i'll let you know [23:40] yeah, I was just noticing that 2007 date in the first link [23:41] Will be interested to hear how well it works. [23:43] I wish I had something like top or ps for the network. [23:45] akk: < wilmer> pleia2: Tell her that the password should be just anything, also not the identify password. [23:46] ^^ bitlbee author, upon reading your blog post [23:46] < wilmer> Otherwise cool :-) [23:47] I'm confused now. What should it be? [23:47] Which password shouldn't be the identify passwd? [23:47] not a real password [23:47] (I was guessing because none of the docs gives a hint what the various passwd args should be, but it seemed to work) [23:47] the add protocol in bitlbee isn't flexible enough to take an argument without a password, but it just ignores it [23:47] I picked something for it, then I used that same something as the server password in my xchat server dialog. [23:48] so it could be Ilikeponies :) [23:48] If those aren't the same, where else would I be setting the one that I have to set in the xchat dialog? [23:48] this is just for the initial addition of the twitter account [23:49] so in "account add twitter your-twitter-handle passwd" the "passwd" is random-whatever-I-get-ignored-anyway [23:50] Okay, so the register passwd one is the one that matters, and the one in account add is just any placeholder? [23:50] yep [23:50] Thanks! Will update. Please thank wilmer too. [23:50]