[03:30] <iheartubuntu> dang Empathy! I missed an important IM!
[08:34] <iheartubuntu> Espresso anyone?
[08:43] <nhaines> It's bad enough I'm still up as it is.
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> haha
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> must be good beer or company
[08:47] <iheartubuntu> im working on a presentation for my company
[08:58] <iheartubuntu> does the Ubuntu dictionary query the internet for definitions or is it built into the OS for offline use
[09:13] <iheartubuntu> Im slow. Hoping to finish by 3am
[09:13] <iheartubuntu> Surprised philipbalew has awoken by now. This is usually his time to shine!
[09:13] <iheartubuntu> *has not
[09:13] <iheartubuntu> i think im getting sleepy
[09:17] <iheartubuntu> spell check in OO presentation didnt find my two misspellings
[09:17] <iheartubuntu> its spell check and google searches that keep me one step above my competition :)
[09:17] <iheartubuntu> (not like i have competition)
[10:06] <iheartubuntu> does anyone know if open office presentation embeds my images i put in? ive never worked with it before. i dont want to take me presentation on a chip only to find out i needed all the images too
[10:07] <iheartubuntu> im guessing its embedding them. it was 80k with a bunch of text before adding images, now its 2.8mb
[10:37] <iheartubuntu> I'm off to see the wizard!
[15:16] <iheartubuntu> Down Maximus! Down boy! Down noble steed.
[15:16]  * iheartubuntu dusts himself off
[15:23] <iheartubuntu> Strong Gains by Redhat... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-micron-help-push-tech-gains-2011-03-24
[15:43] <iheartubuntu> How do we add a topic to the next meeting?
[15:44] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: edit the agenda on the wiki.
[15:44] <iheartubuntu> ahh, thanks
[16:02] <jtatum> thanks pleia2
[16:14] <pleia2> jtatum: not me this time, iheartubuntu is helping keep the feeds updated too now :)
[16:24] <jtatum> good deal thanks iheartubuntu
[16:25] <iheartubuntu> ;)
[16:25] <iheartubuntu> (i just winked at a guy)
[16:25] <iheartubuntu> its a cute wink in empathy anyways
[16:40] <iheartubuntu> anyone here a pro with OpenOffice Impress?
[16:41]  * akk avoids it as much as possible
[16:41] <iheartubuntu> I had made a presentation and added a 50mb video file. I didnt want it and deleted it from the page, but the saved file is still a whooping 53mb, and it should only be 3mb
[16:41] <iheartubuntu> Not sure how I can search for all media content and then somehow delete the video file (which i thought i deleted on screen)
[17:19] <nhaines> Wow, the new natty wallpaper landed befor UI freeze.  I'm impressed.
[17:28] <iheartubuntu> some very nice wallpapers!
[20:00] <ryaxnb> hello
[20:00] <ryaxnb> its dumping here in this part of CA
[20:01] <ryaxnb> aqnd a bit windy too
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> hello ryaxnb
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> where r u?
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> no rain yet in SoCal
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> tonite I tihnk
[20:01] <ryaxnb> Felton, CA, near SantaCruz, CA in central CA
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> nice area
[20:01] <ryaxnb> indeed
[20:01] <pleia2> yeah, it's been raining for hours here in SF
[20:01] <iheartubuntu> i used to drive up to Volks Cafe in Soquel all the time for my VW bus :)
[20:02] <pleia2> they closed to zoo today!
[20:02] <ryaxnb> no zoo?
[20:02] <pleia2> not that I was planning to go today :)
[20:02] <ryaxnb> foo
[20:02] <iheartubuntu> do zoos close?
[20:02] <pleia2> apparently for bad rain
[20:02] <ryaxnb> no one would have come anyway
[20:02] <ryaxnb> it raining too much
[20:03] <ryaxnb> rather go to an art museum or that wonderful CAS
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> I like sleeping in when it rains
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> (i'll stop before this becomes a poem or something)
[20:03] <pleia2> me too, but I am supposed to be working, my boss doesn't like it when I sleep at work
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> haha
[20:04] <ryaxnb> felton is the rainiest part of the SF bay area
[20:04] <iheartubuntu> I think i just like being home though when its raining
[20:04] <ryaxnb> i like  using my laptop and surfing as i always do
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> so i am full embedded into using Empathy now
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> I like it because it feels lightweight, unlike Pidgin. And it does IRC fine. With chat contacts and IRC all in one. Very nice.
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> Couple of buggy things, like if you write too long of a sentence, Empathy grows to the right side :)
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> other than that I like it
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> what does jhana mean
[21:04] <iheartubuntu> the Ubuntu Dictionary has no definitions or similar words
[21:07] <jhanafrog> sadly, i don't think shuttleworth practices samadhi
[21:14] <jtatum> iheartubuntu: it's a buddhist term for a state of concentration
[21:15]  * iheartubuntu wishes empathy would blink the message indicator icon
[21:15] <iheartubuntu> so "concentrating frog"
[21:16] <jhanafrog> i'm the only one in #empathy :(
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> empathy might use another server, no?
[21:16] <jhanafrog> it is more specific than that
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> there is no #openoffice here but there is a #libreoffice
[21:16] <jhanafrog> there was somebody in #empathy before
[21:16] <jhanafrog> i dunno
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> jhanafrog are you good with OO Impress?
[21:16] <jtatum> #empathy is on irc.gnome.org
[21:17] <jhanafrog> no, never heard
[21:17] <iheartubuntu> its OO presentation (like powerpoint)
[21:17] <jhanafrog> thanks jtatum, i'll check it out
[21:17] <jhanafrog> oh OO is open office, i thought it was object oriented
[21:18] <jhanafrog> nah, i never do presentations anymore
[21:18] <iheartubuntu> Oo
[21:18] <jhanafrog> not since college
[21:18] <iheartubuntu> for me its more like OOooooo Crap
[21:18] <jhanafrog> OO.org
[21:18] <jledbetter> jhanafrog, Seidos?
[21:18] <jhanafrog> :|
[21:19] <jhanafrog> why does it matter?
[21:19] <jledbetter> jhanafrog, I figure you keep changing your nick because you know I love mystery.
[21:20] <akk> It's very confusing.
[21:20] <jhanafrog> i actually didn't know you loved mystery jledbetter, good to know
[21:20] <jledbetter> There's a pattern though so that's helpful.
[21:23] <jhanafrog> "helpful" that's an interesting way of describing it
[21:24] <jledbetter> But yes, it's confusing.
[21:26] <jtatum> aw
[21:26] <jledbetter> jtatum, ?
[21:30] <iheartubuntu> who here is into genealogy? i read it someplace :)
[21:30] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, I'm into it. You? :)
[21:30] <iheartubuntu> definitely!
[21:30] <iheartubuntu>  GRAMPS!
[21:30] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, Yes, I am your grandfather.
[21:31] <iheartubuntu> haha
[21:31] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, How are you wandering along the tree?
[21:31] <iheartubuntu> my moms side is well documented, but my dads... almost nothing
[21:32] <iheartubuntu> he came here after WW2 as a kid so not much info
[21:32] <iheartubuntu> met my wife thanks to research
[21:32] <iheartubuntu> grandfather on my dads side was captured and sent to russian gulag, so i looked for a russian interpreter after finding the prison docs :)
[21:33] <jledbetter> Good that something nice came from that.
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> yah
[21:34] <jhanafrog> lotus
[21:34] <jledbetter> I've mostly just been using onl--
[21:34] <jledbetter> Hrm.
[21:34] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, Yeah, I've mostly been using online stuff but put out a few posts here and there "Looking for" but nothing yet.
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> are u using gramps?
[21:35] <jledbetter> No. Something close-sourced. Might export and import to share the tree with others.
[21:35] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, That's the one that lets us put it online right?
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> GRAMPS is a geneaology program for linux/ubuntu
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> works nice
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> i was using something from ancestry.com when  first got into it
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> then switched the GEDCOM files when I went to latter day saints for some help
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> they are actually pretty helpful
[21:37] <jledbetter> I'll look into that :) I'm still new to it but am back to 1400s or so with one line. So much more to go :(
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> wow that is incredible
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> my moms side goes a few generations back to germany/austria where they built churches before coming here.
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> my dads side is tricky
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> had ancestors that immigrated to the US before WWI and then went back home before the war broke out
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> so my grandmother was born here, but not my dad
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> very interesting anyways
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> and GRAMPS handles it all very well
[21:40] <iheartubuntu> no frills and works solid
[21:40] <jledbetter> I'll check it out:)
[21:42]  * iheartubuntu is working on his Polish citizenship
[21:48] <jhanafrog> i was planning on working on letters to various well-off individuals to request funding for a yoga&meditation&garden&hackerspace
[21:48] <jhanafrog> my friend told me not to bother
[21:48] <jledbetter> jhanafrog, Why not? Those things can go well together.
[21:49] <jhanafrog> i dunno, i'll have to ask him why not
[21:49] <jledbetter> Or just do what you want :)
[21:49] <jhanafrog> i guess i just assumed he's jaded
[21:49] <jhanafrog> he's tired, he just had 2 chem tests
[21:49] <jhanafrog> maybe that's why
[21:49] <jledbetter> Ah
[21:50] <jhanafrog> anyway, it might be fun just to think about it.  like how much it would cost to run such a place
[21:53] <kdub_> jhanafrog: i was looking into that for my area, what part of the state are you in?
[21:53] <jhanafrog> kdub_: LA area.  i would be willing to relocate though.
[21:54] <kdub_> there's a few hackerspaces in LA
[21:54] <kdub_> i'm down in SD
[21:54] <jhanafrog> yeah, we met at SCaLE i think kdub_
[21:54] <jhanafrog> <--- the other kevin
[21:54] <kdub_> oh yeah...
[21:56] <jhanafrog> i read about a hackerspace in LA
[21:56] <jhanafrog> i follow the hackerspaces.org rss feed
[21:57] <jhanafrog> i'll have to visit it, but i doubt anything will really be like what i have in mind
[21:57] <jhanafrog> probably because nobody wants it ^_^
[21:58] <jledbetter> 1 does :p
[21:58] <iheartubuntu> im going to be doing a presentation later today (at work). do i need to press any keys to switch from laptop monitor to an external plugged in monitor?
[21:58] <jhanafrog> probably fn-f5 iheartubuntu
[21:58] <jledbetter> jhanafrog, Maybe find one and offer to expand/hold a session there or something?
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> ty
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> u d best
[21:59] <jhanafrog> no u
[21:59] <jhanafrog> jledbetter: that's an idea
[22:00] <jledbetter> jhanafrog, I hope it works out :) It sounds like a great combo
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> no u
[22:02] <iheartubuntu> i think ive even seen books on how to write such letters seidos
[22:02] <iheartubuntu> its definitely possible
[22:02] <jhanafrog> well, i need ideas for where to recommend such a thing.
[22:03] <jhanafrog> i kind of need to know the location before i can figure out how much it will cost
[22:03] <kdub_> in ann arbor, there was a hackerspace that was given a corner of an xbox-arcade
[22:03] <jhanafrog> it obviously wouldn't be someplace terribly expensive
[22:03] <akk> iheartubuntu: Practice that switching before you get to the presentation -- different laptops have it on different keys.
[22:03] <kdub_> although yoga studios probably don't want technology harshing their mellow
[22:03] <akk> iheartubuntu: You can try it with any monitor, doesn't have to be a projector.
[22:04] <jhanafrog> perhaps yoga isn't the right term then
[22:04] <jhanafrog> why couldn't yoga be hacked though?
[22:04] <jhanafrog> perhaps it's hackerspace first, yoga studio second
[22:05]  * kdub_ doesnt get yoga
[22:05] <jhanafrog> it would probably need multiple floors, or sectioned off areas though.  hackerspace on the bottom floor, garden in the back, exercise on the 2nd floor, meditation on the 3rd floor
[22:06] <jhanafrog> kdub_: exercise then
[22:06] <jhanafrog> afaik the goal of yoga is meditation
[22:07] <jhanafrog> exercise is more general, that's why i said it
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> for never using openoffice presentation before ever, i am totally blown away how nice it is. the 3D pie charts and b3D bar graphs are top notch
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> we have a projector too, but i think the room is too small for it so i was going to hook up to a 22" monitor. thanks akk
[22:09] <akk> I've been to so many talks where the first 10 minutes was "everybody crowd around the speaker and offer suggestions on how to get the external screen working"
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> (so is it called open office "presentation" or "impress"?)
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> half the talks at scale were like that!
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> the only people who knew how to do anything was at ubucon!
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> :p
[22:09] <akk> We must have gone to very different talks -- I was amazed at how much professionalism I saw at SCALE.
[22:10] <akk> Even several talks that included videos (usually that's a huge point of bustage and "honest, it worked when I tried it at home!")
[22:10] <iheartubuntu> jhanafrog and i walked into one room... packed... i forget which one it was... near registration and they could not get the comp working with the screne
[22:10] <jhanafrog> i actually liked some of the talks better than ubucon, but i tended to show up after they already started
[22:10] <iheartubuntu> screen
[22:10] <jhanafrog> really?
[22:11] <jhanafrog> i don't recall that
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> id have to look at a schedule to recall
[22:11] <pleia2> wasn't it actually about byobu?
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> not on my to do list at the moment
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> hmm. i dont remember. it was on friday tho
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> so.... i dont want to sweat hooking this thing up :)
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> i better test before
[22:12] <pleia2> ah ok, dustin's byobu talk was saturday
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> otherwise we will be looking at a little laptop
[22:12] <akk> Friday, miniconf day, will always have more of that stuff -- miniconfs are a great place for beginning speakers to practice.
[22:15] <jhanafrog> i have to admit some talks had better lighting than others
[22:15] <iheartubuntu> so there was a Sys76 guy at ubucon?
[22:16] <jhanafrog> yeah, i saw him
[22:16] <jhanafrog> he looked pretty hip
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> im trying ot get a tester system from them
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> they like the idea but i have to keep reminding them
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> im looking for a banshee media player backup file in the filesystem. something i can find all my radio stations and back em up... but i see a ton of EXE files in banshees folder. WTH!
[22:19] <jhanafrog> i am thinking of taking out the backseat of my car, and the passenger seat, to see if i can make the car like one of those live in capsules
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> id get a VW bus if i were you.
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> 1974
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> pop top tent
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> sink
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> stove
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> 5 gall water container
[22:20] <jhanafrog> you must have $ :)
[22:20] <kdub_> jhanafrog: not to digress back to the hackerspace/yoga, but it might just be better to start one, get it going, then start the other
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> two twin beds
[22:20] <kdub_> i'm sure both are tough ventures to start up in their own rights
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> "suicide" closet (blocking rear view to the right)
[22:21] <jhanafrog> kdub_: it probably makes sense just to call it a hackerspace
[22:21] <jhanafrog> i asked the people at noisebridge if they wanted to do "self defense hacking"
[22:21] <jhanafrog> i mean, what is the limit to "hacking", really?
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> i bet you could pick up a buss for $1500
[22:21] <kdub_> not a 1974 VM beatle
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> hook it up with net and built in computers
[22:21] <jhanafrog> $1500 i don't have
[22:21] <kdub_> or van
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> not in SD :)
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> expensive there
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> head up north id say
[22:22] <jhanafrog> why would you want a vw bus with built in computers?
[22:22] <jhanafrog> games?
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> to do IRC while going 5 mph in the slow lane going up the grapevine
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> :D
[22:22] <jhanafrog> haha
[22:22] <kdub_> i'd guess those models are considered classics, with their cultural significance
[22:22] <iheartubuntu> trust me youll need something to keep you occupied
[22:23] <jhanafrog> i had a coworker that had a vw bus
[22:23] <jhanafrog> i'm just thinking if i can shower at the university, i could probably sleep in my car and save gas
[22:24] <jhanafrog> actually, the bigger problem is no bathroom
[22:24] <kdub_> grad students get handy offices...
[22:24] <jhanafrog> if you gotta' go at night...anyway
[22:24] <kdub_> my school had a 24h library we brought tents to during finals
[22:24] <jhanafrog> what school kdub_?
[22:24] <jhanafrog> are you a grad student?
[22:25] <kdub_> no, and i went to umich
[22:25] <jhanafrog> i learned the graduation % at csulb is 54%, compared to 89% at ucla and cal tech
[22:26] <jhanafrog> that's bad
[22:26] <akk> Lots of reasons for that.
[22:27] <kdub_> the interesting statistic to me is the 4year vs 5year graduation
[22:27] <kdub_> umich's undergrad engineering wass trending to 5y bachelors as the norm
[22:27] <jhanafrog> haha, i'm like the 8 year graduation
[22:27] <jhanafrog> i thought it was interesting that the stat isn't on csulb's website
[22:28] <akk> jhanafrog: Is that of people on a graduation track, or does it include everybody taking classes?
[22:28] <jhanafrog> i dunno though, i may have given up as a undergrad if i heard it
[22:29] <jhanafrog> akk: it would have to be individuals that selected a major.  so a "graduation" track
[22:29] <jhanafrog> it is a commuter school, primarily
[22:30] <akk> One thing about CSUs is that there are a lot of people just taking classes/continuing ed, or a "take a few classes as I get the money and time for it" track.
[22:31] <jhanafrog> interesting, yeah, i probably counted against that stat, since i started as computer science, left, came back, changed majors, then graduated
[22:31] <akk> You don't see that so much at private schools where they're paying $40k/year or whatever.
[22:31]  * kdub_ doesnt beleive in higher education :)
[22:31]  * akk took lots of classes at CSULA back in the day, and would like to take some at SJSU but is trying to justify the expense.
[22:32] <jhanafrog> i will only go back if i get federal aid
[22:32] <pleia2> yeah, I've found it impossible to justify the expense
[22:32] <jhanafrog> and considering how poor i am, i should get something
[22:32] <jhanafrog> i could justify it if it's free
[22:32] <pleia2> for me expense includes time, and I don't have much of that either
[22:32] <pleia2> oh well, I've made it this far without ever taking a class :)
[22:33] <jhanafrog> yeah, opportunity cost
[22:33] <pleia2> there is so much material online now anyway
[22:33] <pleia2> I can take MIT python classes for free from my couch
[22:33] <jhanafrog> i think online material is silly
[22:33] <jhanafrog> they should just give you the option to take the standardized tests
[22:33] <akk> The trouble with self-teaching via books or online is not having someone to answer questions.
[22:33] <kdub_> the university system is broken, imho
[22:34] <jhanafrog> or having someone to talk to
[22:34] <pleia2> akk: yeah, that's what IRC is for! :)
[22:34] <jhanafrog> kdub_: +1
[22:34] <kdub_> but it is what it is, i got through it
[22:34] <jhanafrog> someone fix it :P
[22:34] <akk> pleia2: I wish I could find irc channels to answer most of the questions I come up with ... :)
[22:34] <pleia2> akk: yeah, IRC or akk's blog, since she finds the answers to all the tough ones
[22:34] <pleia2> ;)
[22:34] <akk> I'd like to see online courses organized around the online material.
[22:34] <akk> haha :)
[22:35] <jhanafrog> i suspect it is easier to find answers in a lab than it is on irc or in a classroom
[22:35] <jhanafrog> that's one of the reasons i liked the caltech campus
[22:35] <akk> I don't get excited about "woo, MIT courses online" because I'm not clear how that's different from just getting a book
[22:35] <pleia2> admittedly I do think from time to time it would be nice to have an actual teacher to ask
[22:35] <akk> but if I could follow the online course, and be on a mailing list with 100 other people who were following it
[22:35] <akk> then maybe we could get somewhere.
[22:35] <pleia2> oh I just watch the videos
[22:35] <pleia2> so it's realy "online lectures"
[22:36] <akk> Whether videos or text, same argument still applies.
[22:36] <pleia2> and they have the homework available
[22:36] <pleia2> yeah
[22:36] <akk> It's easy to watch/read along and go yeah yeah, that's clear, I understand
[22:36] <jhanafrog> khanacademy is better than MIT imo
[22:36] <jhanafrog> in terms of videos
[22:36] <akk> then you try to do the problem set and, oops! it wasn't as clear as you thought
[22:36] <jhanafrog> the videos are more direct and to the point
[22:36] <jhanafrog> but, no python :(
[22:36] <pleia2> jhanafrog: I guess it depends on what you're studying :)
[22:36] <pleia2> yeah, for chemistry - sure! not so much for python
[22:37] <akk> Most of python has pretty great docs online (with a few minor exceptions).
[22:37] <jhanafrog> the MIT python class didn't teach me anything, unfortunately.  it was too slow, and i didn't have patience for it
[22:37] <jhanafrog> or was that LISP?  oh, it was both ;)
[22:38] <pleia2> I watched the first few while my boss was too, it was helpful for us to talk about them
[22:38] <kdub_> the best way to learn is to do things next to someone who knows how do what you're doing
[22:38] <jhanafrog> if i was more motivated i could probably learn python i think...
[22:38] <kdub_> the blacksmith approach :P
[22:38] <pleia2> I sorta fell off though because I'm more of a sysadmin anyway
[22:38] <akk> yep, for computers that's always best! (what kdub_ said)
[22:39] <jhanafrog> kdub_: apprentices.  that's how the masons do it allegedly
[22:39] <akk> but of course if you don't have a master sitting nearby, you need alternatives
[22:39] <kdub_> even for any abstract problem solving
[22:39] <jhanafrog> student solutions manual :)
[22:40] <jhanafrog> well, find a problem, and try to solve it
[22:40]  * akk happily working for someone who's better at python than I am, great way to learn fast
[22:40] <akk> I've been using python for years but I've been lazy and avoided some parts of it.
[22:41] <jhanafrog> my level of motivation is pretty small for python right now.  i suppose i could try getting clicompanion to work
[22:41] <jhanafrog> i can only write small programs.  like 10 lines
[22:53] <kdub_> jhanafrog: what are you studying?
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> fn F5 doesnt work :(
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> screen comes up but cannot see icons or top/bottom bars
[22:54] <iheartubuntu> can see the wallpaper but no desktop icons or anything
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> ohh well. the monitor is 15" so not too bad
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> in a very small room too
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> not like a conference room
[22:56] <jhanafrog> kdub_: right now?  i'm reading this:  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/burns/wheel088.html
[22:58] <jhanafrog> kdub_: but, i suspect that's not what you were asking.  you mean if i get education paid for?
[23:03] <akk> I use xrandr to send my screen output to a projector
[23:03] <akk> but I don't know how well that works from gnome.
[23:03] <akk> xrandr lets you control the resolution you're sending, so you don't (or do, if you want to) cut off parts of the screen.
[23:03] <jhanafrog> fn-f5 worked for me in gnome, to a 15" lcd
[23:04] <jhanafrog> probably has something to do with the video driver
[23:04] <jhanafrog> i wonder what video chipset iheartubuntu is working with
[23:04] <jhanafrog> i would think, anyway
[23:04] <jhanafrog> could be wrong
[23:04] <akk> There are a lot of variables -- the video driver, ACPI, whether the Fn keys generate regular key events or ACPI events or BIOS events or nothing
[23:05] <jhanafrog> perhaps there's a script that the key press executes
[23:05] <jhanafrog> there is sleep.sh for suspend
[23:05] <akk> And in gnome you usually have to go through that annoying multiple-screen dialog to set the resolution of the second screen.
[23:07] <jhanafrog> i had to hit fn-f5 several times to get what i wanted, but i'm used to that.  there wasn't a dialog though
[23:07] <akk> this dialog, http://people.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-04.html
[23:07] <akk> (spent so much time watching people fiddle with that at the beginning of talks ... and the mac and win equivalents)
[23:08] <jhanafrog> never messed with that in gnome
[23:08] <jhanafrog> i've seen it in windows though
[23:09] <akk> What happens is that the projector is 1024x768 but your monitor is set for something else, so you're projecting at a funny resolution until you adjust it in that dialog.
[23:10] <jhanafrog> i don't have a projector :)
[23:11] <jhanafrog> i better get my towel
[23:11] <jhanafrog> but which one is really mine?
[23:11] <akk> Nor do I, but giving talks with slides generally involves one.
[23:11] <jhanafrog> i've never had a problem giving a talk, fn-f5 automagically has worked
[23:12] <jhanafrog> i've never tried with this notebook though
[23:13] <pleia2> my netbook autoadjusts to projector screens
[23:14] <iheartubuntu> so im gonna try the projector next
[23:14] <pleia2> haven't tried it since upgrading to 10.04, but my television is a pretty good test thing (same television as was at ubucon at scale!)
[23:14] <akk> pleia2, I always wonder about netbooks: what do they do about having less resolution than the projector?
[23:14] <pleia2> akk: the screen you see on the netbook itself ends up looking a bit cut off, but it hasn't ever been extreme enough to be a problem
[23:15] <akk> So it adjusts to the projector resolution and you just can't see the bottom 168 pixels on the netbook's display?
[23:15] <pleia2> akk: yep
[23:16] <pleia2> and who needs those bottom 168 pixels :)
[23:16] <pleia2> I just need my screen to make sure I'm on the correct slide
[23:16] <akk> I would for gimp talks, but not for slides.
[23:16] <jhanafrog> i sent an ipaq to a projector once, it just displayed small like on the screen, but the projector was able to display it
[23:17] <pleia2> yeah, if you're actually doing a demo I could see it get annoying
[23:17] <iheartubuntu> thanks everyone!
[23:18] <jhanafrog> without anything being cut off
[23:33] <jhanafrog> anyone here interested in making their own custom ubuntu iso?
[23:33] <akk> I'd be interested in making one for a USB stick.
[23:37] <jhanafrog> have you tried remastersys?
[23:37] <akk> no, haven't heard of it.
[23:37] <jhanafrog> me too, incidentally
[23:37] <jhanafrog> i want to select my own default packages
[23:38] <jhanafrog> it was mentioned in this thread:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=551713&page=3
[23:38] <jhanafrog> it's for older versions of ubuntu though
[23:39] <jhanafrog> er, the thread is
[23:39] <jhanafrog> i dunno about remastersys
[23:39] <jhanafrog> here's another link akk, http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html
[23:39] <jhanafrog> if i get it working i'll let you know
[23:40] <akk> yeah, I was just noticing that 2007 date in the first link
[23:41] <akk> Will be interested to hear how well it works.
[23:43] <akk> I wish I had something like top or ps for the network.
[23:45] <pleia2> akk: < wilmer> pleia2: Tell her that the password should be just anything, also not the identify password.
[23:46] <pleia2> ^^ bitlbee author, upon reading your blog post
[23:46] <pleia2> < wilmer> Otherwise cool :-)
[23:47] <akk> I'm confused now. What should it be?
[23:47] <akk> Which password shouldn't be the identify passwd?
[23:47] <pleia2> not a real password
[23:47] <akk> (I was guessing because none of the docs gives a hint what the various passwd args should be, but it seemed to work)
[23:47] <pleia2> the add protocol in bitlbee isn't flexible enough to take an argument without a password, but it just ignores it
[23:47] <akk> I picked something for it, then I used that same something as the server password in my xchat server dialog.
[23:48] <pleia2> so it could be Ilikeponies :)
[23:48] <akk> If those aren't the same, where else would I be setting the one that I have to set in the xchat dialog?
[23:48] <pleia2> this is just for the initial addition of the twitter account
[23:49] <pleia2> so in "account add twitter your-twitter-handle passwd" the "passwd" is random-whatever-I-get-ignored-anyway
[23:50] <akk> Okay, so the register passwd one is the one that matters, and the one in account add is just any placeholder?
[23:50] <pleia2> yep
[23:50] <akk> Thanks! Will update. Please thank wilmer too.
[23:50] <pleia2> will do :)
[23:53] <jhanafrog> whoa, 79.99 for warcraft 2 battle.net edition?  that's absurd.
[23:54] <jhanafrog> well, games are kind of like crack, so i guess it makes sense
[23:55] <pleia2> still costs $30 for standard old warcraft 3
[23:55] <akk> Updated the bitlbee post.
[23:56] <pleia2> perfect!
[23:56] <akk> whew :)
[23:57] <jhanafrog> warcraft 3 won't run on my system well, warcraft 2 is even slightly sluggish
[23:57] <jhanafrog> :|
[23:57] <jhanafrog> when i got this notebook i didn't plan on playing any 3d games
[23:57] <pleia2> yeah
[23:58] <jhanafrog> when i was at ucla the other day, i found out they had a PC lan gaming arcade at the student union
[23:58] <jhanafrog> it was $4 / hr
[23:59] <pleia2> they were good games so I'm not surprised people still play them, but it does weird me out a little to see the new WC3 boxes in stores (that did come out a DECADE ago, right?!)
[23:59] <jhanafrog> there were like 4 people playing, on a saturday
[23:59] <jhanafrog> dang, has it been that long?
[23:59] <jhanafrog> it seems like just yesterday