[00:13] <jrwren> can anyone tell me about twisted internet listenTCP and Protocol ?
[00:16] <rick_h_> nope, haven't looked at it, but man twisted is all over and I'll have ot check it out eventually
[00:21] <wolfger> No tjagoda?
[00:22] <wolfger> Just wanted to let him know he's cracked about not having the menu bar in classic Gnome :-p
[00:22] <jrwren> holy shit.. I think i grok twisted Protocol well enough now and the use of it in play2wifi just blew my mind.
[00:22] <jrwren> I'd have never thought to do it that way
[01:22] <rick_h_> DBO: what's your twitter handle?
[01:22] <DBO> uhm
[01:22] <DBO> im not sure anymore
[01:22] <DBO> deebeeoh i think
[01:22] <rick_h_> k, looking
[01:23] <rick_h_> ah, nothing there so won't add it
[01:24] <rick_h_> oh whoops
[01:24] <wolfger> Dammit! I knew I should have filed a patent
[01:24] <wolfger> Motorola Atrix 4G stole my idea
[01:25] <DBO> wolfger, whats that?
[01:25] <DBO> is that the phone/computer thingie?
[01:25] <jjesse> yeah
[01:27] <rick_h_> upvotes please http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ga5hq/lococast_interview_submit_your_unity_questions/
[01:30] <krondor> Voted
[01:31] <rick_h_> ty
[01:32] <krondor> Yeah the atrix is cool, too bad motor priced the laptop dock stupid and the efuse system lock crap.
[01:32] <wolfger> Yeah, plug your phone into a netbook case, basically
[01:34] <krondor> Yeah I can see motor r&d saying look at this cool thing!  Phb says nice accessory i'll show that to sales.
[01:34] <wolfger> I came up with that idea a year or so ago :-p
[01:34] <krondor> Sales phb says accessory standard 100% markup on the way
[01:34] <wolfger> bleh
[01:36] <krondor> It's a slick concept throw citrix/ssh/vnc or what on there and you're set
[01:36] <jjesse> why wouldn't i go w/ an ipad + keyboard case and get the same thing?
[01:36] <rick_h_> because it's not a phone?
[01:36] <jjesse> skype?
[01:37] <jjesse> bluetooth headset?
[01:37] <rick_h_> that's still not a phone
[01:37] <rick_h_> so you're heading to the grocery store, you've gotyour headset on and BT connected in case the wife asks you to remember milk?
[01:38] <jjesse> and my ipad in my back pocket?
[01:39] <wolfger> Yeah. The whole concept here is that you can take your entire "computer" and put it in your pocket
[01:39] <wolfger> Minus keyboard and screen
[01:40] <wolfger> Because really, owning a cell phone *and* a netbook is just silly
[01:49] <jjesse> isn't a netbook silly?
[01:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, poor guy
[01:50] <rick_h_> ty git for not being Hg or bzr...
[01:57] <jrwren> i just get tired of having to look everything up.
[01:57] <jrwren> i don't use it primarily, and so its foreign to me.
[02:07] <jrwren> well... and git checkout not doing a revert like it should.
[02:09] <jrwren> protip: zeroconf services with port of zero simply don't show up :)
[02:24] <jrwren> ha!!!
[02:24] <jrwren> I found a bug in Mono.Zeroconf.Providers.Bonjour
[02:24] <jrwren> now to figure out how to make a pull request :)
[02:30] <_stink_> authorship!
[02:30] <jrwren> :)
[02:30] <jrwren> easier than I thought.
[02:30] <jrwren> forking after hte fact on github and pushing there.
[02:30] <jrwren> I'd never done that workflow before
[02:32] <snap-l> http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/23/color-looks-to-reinvent-social-interaction-with-its-mobile-photo-app-and-41-million-in-funding/ <- Welcome to bubble 2.0
[02:40] <snap-l> "After a tumultuous few weeks, and behind schedule, the Windows Phone 7 copy-and-paste update has finally emerged. Codenamed "NoDo", the upgrade started rolling out earlier today, at least to a few lucky users."
[02:40] <snap-l> "NoDo"? Seriously?
[02:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I feel the same way when I use Hg/Bzr
[02:40] <rick_h_> have to go back to looking up/etc
[04:35] <jrwren> what is that popular open source or CC icon set?
[04:37] <jrwren> nevermind... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Clear
[05:26] <jrwren> damn, it was a great Wednesday night.
[05:26] <jrwren> i wish it were a typical Wed night for me.
[07:03] <wolfger> Nofinway1
[10:59] <rick_h_> morning
[11:01] <_stink_> morning
[11:04] <rick_h_> ah the joys of a kid and pets
[11:04] <rick_h_> they start the wake up process well before your alarm and you give in, and get to work early
[11:04] <rick_h_> albeit, itching for that coffee mug
[11:06] <rick_h_> _stink_: you've been away from CHC too long, I referred to you last night as "_stink_" vs irl name
[11:06] <rick_h_> snap-l: corrected me
[11:41]  * wolfger wonders how long it will be before trivial fluctuations in radiation levels are once again not considered newsworthy,.
[11:42] <rick_h_> come on, that's a big scary word, nothing is trivial
[11:43] <wolfger> I quote directly from the news item: these and other readings "show typical fluctuation in background radiation levels" and -- thus far -- "are far below levels of concern."
[11:44] <wolfger> I love they way they insert "-- thus far --" to indicate that you should still be worried.
[11:44] <wolfger> even though you really probably shouldn't be
[11:44] <wolfger> it's all brousch's fault
[11:45] <rick_h_> I thought so
[11:45] <rick_h_> but I wouldn't say it to his face
[11:45] <wolfger> oh, damn. He just joined, didn't he? Doh!
[11:45] <rick_h_> morning crowd, please upvote http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ga5hq/lococast_interview_submit_your_unity_questions/
[11:45] <rick_h_> and post questions if you have them
[11:50] <wolfger> voted, and question posted, to get the ball rolling. :-)
[11:51] <wolfger> I still can't believe that Chrysler allows Reddit, with all of the other sites that are blocked.
[11:53] <rick_h_> lol, nice question
[11:53] <rick_h_> I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of those
[12:00] <brousch> what'd i do this time?
[12:02] <wolfger> brousch: it's your fault CNN is reporting "typical fluctuation in background radiation levels" as news.
[12:18] <greg-g> g'morn
[12:18] <rick_h_> party
[12:24] <wolfger> woo
[12:24] <wolfger> like it's 1999
[12:24] <wolfger> anybody got a y2k-bug budget still? ;-)
[12:27] <wolfger> When the year 2000 rolled around, and the much-hyped bug was not seen, I tried to start a rumor that the problem would actually strike in 2048, since that is "2k" in a binary system....
[12:28] <wolfger> unfortunately, I know too many tech-savy people and not enough morons to get that rumor spread around :-p
[12:41] <_stink_> rick_h_: haha awesome
[12:41] <_stink_> i'm not real anymore
[12:43] <rick_h_> widox: expressed interest in the FF extension though at CHC last night
[12:43] <rick_h_> you guys shuold get together :)
[12:43] <rick_h_> and I should learn to type
[12:47] <snap-l> g'morning
[12:47] <wolfger> must be nice to sleep in so late
[12:48] <snap-l> sleep in?
[12:48] <snap-l> I'll have you know I was resetting my network at 2:45am
[12:49] <snap-l> (fucking UPS died during the night)
[12:51] <rick_h_> what did you need your network for at 2:45am?
[12:52] <wolfger> have to keep the website up and running
[12:53] <_stink_> and how did you know it was down?
[12:55] <wolfger> because he just said his ups died and he had to reset his network?
[12:55] <snap-l> It was the home machine. :)
[12:55] <snap-l> and the UPS was going "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
[12:55] <brousch> _stink_: you mean you don't sleep with a nagios-integrated testicular electrode cup?
[12:55] <wolfger> home of decafbad, right?
[12:55] <snap-l> so JoDee woke me up
[12:55] <snap-l> wolfger: Oh hell no, that's in Texas.
[12:55] <wolfger> Oh, ok
[12:56] <snap-l> if a UPS died there, I'd be really unhappy. :)
[12:56] <wolfger> so why did you have to fix your network then, if the blog was unaffected?
[12:56] <snap-l> The UPS was going "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
[12:57] <_stink_> brousch: my testicular electrode cup has only one input, and it's connected to the cat's food request system, because if i don't move fast enough he poops somewhere inappropriate
[12:57] <_stink_> ohh, the UPS scream.
[12:57]  * snap-l doesn't want to know where that sentence came from
[12:58] <_stink_> snap-l: brousch asked.
[12:58] <snap-l> about your ball cup?
[12:58] <_stink_> yeah
[12:58] <snap-l> a) How he know, and b) why you have?
[12:59] <_stink_> "< brousch> _stink_: you mean you don't sleep with a nagios-integrated testicular electrode cup?"
[12:59]  * widox quietly closes irssi
[12:59] <snap-l> widox: I think that's best now
[12:59] <widox> lol
[13:00] <brousch> my boss told me it is standard for all IT workers. he was lying?
[13:00] <_stink_> hah
[13:01] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, and the assless chaps and webcam are not standard issue either.
[13:01] <snap-l> All I had to carry was a Blackberry
[13:01] <snap-l> which was torture enough
[14:01] <wolfger> rick_h_: you've got a second question on Reddit, and it's of great quality.
[14:02] <snap-l> both of those are great quality
[14:02] <snap-l> Hell, I think we could have gotten better questions on Youtube
[14:03] <_stink_> heh, got a link to the reddit thread?
[14:05] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ga5hq/lococast_interview_submit_your_unity_questions/
[14:06] <rick_h_> wolfger: yea, and one on the blog post itself
[14:06] <rick_h_> so far this is working great
[14:06] <rick_h_> things I'd not have thought to ask myself
[14:07] <_stink_> haha
[14:07] <snap-l> I'd like to know why Mark Shuttleworth hates babies.
[14:07] <snap-l> I think we can make a good question out of those, though
[14:07] <jjesse> when did SABDFL stop hitting his wife
[14:07] <rick_h_> "Why do people hate Canonical?"?
[14:07] <wolfger> Oh man, you guys got downvoted from 8 to 6 since the last time I looked at that link
[14:08] <snap-l> Probably because that asshat got downvoted by me
[14:08] <rick_h_> yea, it's all over the map
[14:08] <rick_h_> I think we get downvotes for saying canonical, unit
[14:09] <snap-l> Frankly I don't read r/ubuntu at all
[14:09] <rick_h_> me either
[14:10] <snap-l> http://lococast.net/archives/459#comment-465
[14:11] <snap-l> aka: STFU about why you're taking your ball home.
[14:13] <wolfger> :-)
[14:13] <wolfger> If you're leaving, just leave.
[14:13] <snap-l> wah! I'm going to Debian
[14:13] <snap-l> andwhen Debia adopts Gnome Shell, then you can go "wah, I'm going to crunchbang"
[14:14] <wolfger> LMDE, baby
[14:14] <wolfger> Oh, wait... If Debian switches, so would LMDE. :-)
[14:14] <snap-l> So, DBO, we've been getting some great feedback on our Unity post for questions
[14:14] <wolfger> Gentoo, baby!
[14:14] <wolfger> Then you don't get anything you don't want
[14:14] <wolfger> ever
[14:15] <DBO> snap-l, awesome!
[14:15] <snap-l> Our big question is, at the end of the day, after reading this feedback, do you kick puppies, or punch babies?
[14:15] <DBO> oh dude
[14:15] <DBO> I so want to answer that
[14:16] <wolfger> Man... he's just completely ignoring my question
[14:16] <wolfger> :-p
[14:16] <wolfger> Hey, tjagoda's here!
[14:17] <wolfger> tjagoda: you appear to be out of your mind thinking you don't have a menu bar on FF anymore
[14:17] <brousch> snap-l: you down-voted my question on reddit?
[14:17] <brousch> that's just mean
[14:17] <brousch> the first question has some merit :P
[14:17] <wolfger> I tried it last night in "Classic Gnome", and the menu bar is there at the top of the screen, just like in Unity but without the auto-hide.
[14:18] <tjagoda> It was not for me
[14:18] <tjagoda> I was using a daily build from days ago
[14:18] <tjagoda> though
[14:19] <wolfger> well you need to update and upgrade daily
[14:19] <wolfger> :-)
[14:20] <wolfger> Best thing about Gnome so far is that it's making me forget why I stopped using KDE in the first place. :-p
[14:21] <snap-l> wolfger: Is that a good thing?
[14:21] <tjagoda> I do not test on my machine
[14:21] <wolfger> I should try KDE in Natty and see if it's better than KDE in Maverick was
[14:21] <tjagoda> It is my primary machine
[14:21] <tjagoda> I like it to work
[14:21] <tjagoda> =P
[14:21] <wolfger> snap-l: not saying it's "good", just "the best thing so far"
[14:22] <wolfger> take that as you will
[14:22] <snap-l> wolfger: From you, that's a complement. ;)
[14:23]  * wolfger is really curious how snap-l is twisting that into a compliment.
[14:24] <wolfger> it pretty clearly reads "Gnome is so bad I want to go back to the desktop environment I left in disgust"
[14:25] <snap-l> you're saying that GNOME is the best thing so far. ;)
[14:25] <wolfger> that's really twisted
[14:25] <wolfger> really, really twisted
[14:25] <wolfger> and possibly exhibiting a total failure to understand English
[14:26] <wolfger> though I should amend my statement.
[14:26] <snap-l> < wolfger> snap-l: ... [GNOME is] ... "the best thing so far"
[14:26] <wolfger> The best thing so far is nm-applet
[14:26] <wolfger> Gnome's network manager kicks the snot out of ever other network manager I've ever seen
[14:27] <wolfger> snap-l: the "it" in question was "making me forget why I stopped using KDE", not "Gnome"
[14:29] <wolfger> So the list is: 1) nm-applet rocks; 2) the rest is so bad that I miss KDE and want to switch back; 3)....; 4) Unity, because it makes Gnome fanboys cry
[14:30] <greg-g> snap-l: thanks for sending that email
[14:31] <snap-l> greg-g: now we just need people to populate the panel. :)
[14:31] <greg-g> yeah yeah :)
[14:31] <greg-g> I can send a call for participation to the ML
[14:31] <snap-l> I'm not going to call out who I'm trying to get to join the panel. ;)
[14:32]  * greg-g looks around
[14:32] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, that would be great. Thanks!
[14:43]  * wolfger watches his inbox...
[14:43] <greg-g> snap-l: http://thechangelog.com/post/4062775436/rstat-us-distributed-twitter-with-ruby-and-ostatus
[14:50] <snap-l> reeeeaaaaly?
[14:53] <snap-l> that's pretty interesting
[15:02] <jrwren> did someone say "testicular electrode cup" ?
[15:02]  * jrwren runs over
[15:02] <jrwren> sounds like fun
[15:04] <greg-g> lol
[15:04] <brousch> and we learn another of jrwren's insane alert triggers
[15:07] <wolfger> awesome
[15:21] <wolfger> Happy Birthday Harry Houdini?
[15:21] <wolfger> or is it the anniversary of his death?
[15:21] <greg-g> usually we celebrate their d-day, not d-day
[15:22] <wolfger> very zen
[15:22] <greg-g> erm, b-day is the first one, of course
[15:22] <wolfger> yes, 137th birthday. He's an old man.
[15:31] <jjesse> but no google doodle for memorial day?
[15:37] <tjagoda> "In the UAE, many women can now be spotted with a BlackBerry in their  hands and according to retailers in the country, RIM’s product can earn  an ‘A’ grade when it comes to its popularity among the fairer sex in the  country. "
[15:37] <tjagoda> I wonder if they love them because they know the government is angry at not being able to crack the e-mails..
[15:38] <tjagoda> Apparently, BBM is also a driving factor in the sales of blackberry
[15:38] <tjagoda> it has somehow become affiliated with artsy youngsters
[15:38] <tjagoda> Suck on that you Android zealots! =P
[15:38] <brousch> what is BBM? big bowel movements?
[15:39] <tjagoda> Blackberry Messenger
[15:40] <brousch> sounds awesome
[15:40] <brousch> like a less pervasive MS messenger
[15:41] <tjagoda> It's pretty nice
[15:41] <tjagoda> Very simple and sleek
[15:41] <tjagoda> Most of our business users use it instead of SMS messages
[15:42] <tjagoda> No per-message charges either
[15:43] <tjagoda> If they come out with a good cross-platform client I can see it easily replacing Microsoft Communicator
[15:43] <brousch> a chat service that only business people like? i was wrong it is awesome. thank you for keeping them out of the communication channels i like to use
[15:43] <rick_h_> yay, finally a real set of questions
[15:44] <brousch> it's like the idgits that only use aol chat or yahoo messenger. excellent! i don't want to talk to them anyways
[15:44] <rick_h_> love this: http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/24/color-com-was-acquired-for-350000-the-domain-name-that-is
[15:44] <Milyardo> Whats wrong with XMPP?
[15:45] <rick_h_> "there is no tech bubble"
[15:45] <Milyardo> Why does everyone and their mother nee dtheir own messaging protocol?
[15:45] <brousch> Milyardo: so i don't have to talk to your mother ;)
[15:46] <rick_h_> ok, no need for mamma jokes
[15:46] <tjagoda> BBM works very well on mobile devices
[15:46] <tjagoda> It doesn't need a constant connection
[15:46] <tjagoda> nor does it nag about going in and out of data service
[15:47] <tjagoda> Also tells you if your message was successfully delivered, not just successfully sent
[15:47] <snap-l> sms can do that as well
[15:47] <rick_h_> funny, xmpp seems to do the same. love coming back into the office and getting offline messages
[15:47] <Milyardo> ^
[15:47] <tjagoda> SMS can do that, but BBM does it by default and it does it very clean
[15:47] <snap-l> tjagoda: That's great. Can I get BBM on Linux?
[15:47] <tjagoda> Possibly in the future
[15:48] <tjagoda> they're making a cross platform
[15:48] <snap-l> how about here, in the now?
[15:48] <brousch> snap-l: no, damn you! keep it on windows and BB so only salesmen can use it with each other!
[15:48] <snap-l> I have code in Python that can interface with AT&T's network and send SMS
[15:48] <snap-l> and check the status of the SMS message.
[15:48] <tjagoda> That's all well and nice
[15:48] <snap-l> tjagoda: That's current and very nice
[15:48] <tjagoda> I have this blackberry which just does it for me without having to do any effort
[15:49] <snap-l> That's nice, dear, but I don't have a BB
[15:49] <tjagoda> So?
[15:49] <tjagoda> Didn't say you should get one
[15:49] <tjagoda> You assumed my argument was to that effect
[15:49] <tjagoda> =P
[15:49] <snap-l> Why should I buy into some proprietary standard that RIM pulled out of their ass, when I can use a currently supported, and widely used standard instead?
[15:49] <brousch> don't you see? it's perfect right where it is!
[15:50] <tjagoda> Ask the artsy kids and businessmen who seem to love it? =P
[15:50] <Milyardo> s/pulled out of their ass/ripped off XMPP/
[15:50] <tjagoda> Facebook's messenger is XMPP too isn't it?
[15:50] <snap-l> tjagoda: That it is
[15:50] <tjagoda> Hate that stupid little messenger
[15:50] <Milyardo> As is Google talk
[15:50] <tjagoda> never works
[15:51] <Milyardo> even Microsoft ripped off XMPP with Communicator
[15:51] <tjagoda> Really?
[15:51] <krondor> Android has a push mechanism so it doesn't need a constant connection for xmpp and other things like that
[15:51] <tjagoda> I would assume they just used their MSN framework
[15:51] <Milyardo> Yes Communincator is an extension of XMPP
[15:51] <tjagoda> So MSN is off being an ugly child somewhere?
[15:52] <krondor> Speaking of lock in and proprietary anyone looked at rstat.us?
[15:53] <snap-l> krondor: OUtside of the initial page, no
[15:53] <krondor> Looks intriguing at least
[15:53]  * snap-l wonders how long before Twitter revokes their API key. ;)
[15:53] <tjagoda> "While BlackBerry sales have stagnated, and possibly deteriorated on an  annual basis, Caris’ team expects international sales will grow more  than 80% year-over-year in the fourth quarter.  “Messaging focus and BBM  via lower ASP [average selling prices] likely keeps boosting adoption  in emerging” market customers, they explain. "
[15:53] <tjagoda> Mmm, proprietary third world.
[15:54] <snap-l> tjagoda: Apparently BBM isn't the only thing Blackberry is pulling out of their ass
[15:54] <tjagoda> That's not entirely all lies
[15:54] <tjagoda> They just posted revenue today
[15:54] <tjagoda> growth is coming from crazy international adoption rates
[15:54] <snap-l> expects and emerging are both ass-pullers
[15:54] <tjagoda> ^
[15:55] <snap-l> That's the same as saying that I expect the government to give me a million dollrs
[15:55] <krondor> You can be profitable and losing the race though. Their idea to require a phone tether for qnx playbook to use bbm seems defunct
[15:55] <tjagoda> It does not require
[15:55] <snap-l> whether or not that is true is based on many factors that are not evident in that statement
[15:55] <tjagoda> You CAN use a phone to tether, and you do need one to tether to the BES functions
[15:56] <tjagoda> for all other things, wi-fi or 4G is fine
[15:56] <tjagoda> The whole blackberry-required-to-work thing is BS
[15:57] <snap-l> I love how easy it is to wind up tjagoda
[15:57] <tjagoda> God damn trolls
[15:57] <tjagoda> =P
[15:57] <krondor> Lol
[15:58] <krondor> Ugh back to work
[15:58] <snap-l> Face it, Blackberry is going the way of Nokia
[15:58] <tjagoda> We'll see
[15:58] <tjagoda> Nokia still owns a good portion of europe, mind you
[15:58] <snap-l> and while it may be emergent in outside markets, the spark isn't there to make folks really care about it outside of business markets.
[15:59] <snap-l> tjagoda: They burned a bunch of good-will with the Microsoft merger
[15:59] <snap-l> (and yes, I'm calling it a merger)
[15:59] <brousch> merger is generous. more like a take-over
[16:00] <wolfger> brousch: BBM == Big Beautiful Men
[16:00] <rick_h_> I like to think of it as a coup, first ship over one of your own to infiltrate, then buy out the leaders
[16:01] <rick_h_> and BB is going to be a big enterprise software service provider soon
[16:01] <rick_h_> you'll be able to get the great BB encryption/security on your device of choice
[16:01] <tjagoda> BS
[16:01] <tjagoda> over 80% of their revenue is in mobile hardware sales
[16:02] <tjagoda> You don't just start pumping out software when 80% of your $11.47 billion is in devices
[16:02] <rick_h_> now it is, but when 80% of your revenue is hardware sales, and you're losing massive #'s of hardware sales...you tend to look elsewhere
[16:02] <wolfger> snap-l: does this code require an AT&T cell number?
[16:02] <snap-l> wolfger: Yep
[16:03] <tjagoda> They aren't loosing hardware sales
[16:03] <tjagoda> They still have growth
[16:03] <tjagoda> Their growth is outpaced by others though, if that's what you meant
[16:03] <snap-l> tjagoda: so did Palm. ;)
[16:04] <tjagoda> I like Blackberry
[16:04] <tjagoda> Jrwen likes microsoft
[16:04] <tjagoda> Wolfger loves KDE
[16:04] <tjagoda> Whose the Apple fan? =P
[16:04]  * brousch points at snap-l
[16:05]  * snap-l says "I'm rubber, you're the glue. Bounces off me and sticks on you" to brousch 
[16:07] <wolfger> snap-l's a rubber?
[16:07] <snap-l> with Gene Simmons face.
[16:08] <greg-g> win
[16:13] <rick_h_> http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/24/another-analyst-bashes-blackberry-playbook/
[16:14] <rick_h_> what do you know, BB bashing just comes across my RSS reader
[16:14] <wolfger> lol
[16:14] <wolfger> that's what happens when you subscribe to Planet BB-Haters
[16:14] <wolfger> :-)
[16:15]  * wolfger fondly remembers liking BlackBerry...
[16:17] <tjagoda> Nobody seems to notice that appworld is already loaded with apps to do the standalone calendar and email without a phone
[16:17] <tjagoda> Crappy analysts are crappy.
[16:18] <tjagoda> I hope the playbook does at least moderately well, just to slap up the its-fun-to-hate-blackberry crowd. =P
[16:18] <rick_h_> what was the phrase from CHC last night?
[16:19] <rick_h_> "I wouldn't hold your breath"
[16:20] <wolfger> heh
[16:25] <snap-l> You'll turn Blackberry Blue
[16:25] <snap-l> Just ask all of the Palm Purple folks
[16:30] <wolfger> P.S. tjagoda, didn't you get the memo? KDE and I broke up.
[16:34] <tjagoda> In your heart you still love all those options
[16:34] <tjagoda> I know it
[16:34] <tjagoda> =P
[16:35] <wolfger> sure I do
[16:35] <wolfger> and I will probably still get all those options
[16:35] <wolfger> as soon as I take some time to learn Haskel and configure Xmonad
[16:35] <wolfger> :-)
[16:35] <tjagoda> Eugh
[16:37] <wolfger> I would use Awesome, but rick_h_ uses that, and I'm not cool enough to be like him.
[16:38] <krondor> So nginx is growing on me, PHP with it was kind of odd... I like the config syntax though
[16:44] <snap-l> Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!
[16:44] <snap-l> Is the title of a new Haskell book
[16:45] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, and it's pretty good stuff
[16:45] <snap-l> nginx is nice
[16:45] <rick_h_> showed my boss how to do conditional redirect/rewrites with it today
[16:45] <rick_h_> blew him away
[16:49] <wolfger> snap-l: yeah, I almost got that on the last sale
[17:22] <brousch> rick_h_: i'm listening to the pycom 'from python import podcast'. i think they embedded the whole lococast into it
[17:23] <brousch> they had nice things to say about you
[17:23] <tjagoda> what code do I need to add to a <div> style tag to not make them want to stack, but instead all reside in a nice row?
[17:23] <tjagoda> if it's in the style tag
[17:23] <tjagoda> which I assumed it was
[17:24] <brousch> http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_display.asp
[17:25] <brousch> display: inline; or display: inline-block;
[17:25] <rick_h_> or float
[17:26] <brousch> or use a css grid framework
[17:27] <Blazeix> making them all float:left is the typical way
[17:27] <Blazeix> with a set width.
[17:29] <tjagoda> float worked
[17:29] <tjagoda> but for some reason destroyed my border
[17:29] <tjagoda> hrm
[17:30] <Blazeix> add overflow:auto to the containing element
[17:30] <brousch> welcome to web design
[17:30] <wolfger> tjagoda: you're obviously viewing it in the wrong browser. :-D
[17:31] <tjagoda> <3 Blazeix
[17:31] <Blazeix> nah, that's expected, if I understand tjagoda's situation
[17:31] <Blazeix> floating removes it from the page layout flow, so it doesn't "push out" the borders
[17:32] <tjagoda> Is there also a method of making the container object auto-determine height after floating?
[17:33] <Blazeix> hm, not sure I follow, you mean some way to get the raw pixel height?
[17:34] <tjagoda> Basically, I had defined the width of the container, but not the height, so it was automatically sizing itself to all the objects inside it (I have it displaying a 3px border)
[17:34] <tjagoda> after the float, it only counts the height of things I have floated
[17:34] <tjagoda> resulting in a weird scrollable div frame
[17:34] <tjagoda> like an iframe
[17:35] <Blazeix> hm, do you have a page we can look at?
[17:36] <tjagoda> http://penguihost.com/cmi_sheet.html
[17:37] <tjagoda> It's only visible in firefox
[17:37] <tjagoda> IE doesn't even render the object
[17:37] <tjagoda> I was trying to hop down to the next line with another placeholder
[17:39] <Blazeix> ah, in this case, get rid of the overflow:auto, and add clear:both to the "Change Existing Part" div
[17:39] <Blazeix> you can use the overflow:auto if _all_ the elements in the container are floating
[17:40] <Blazeix> since you have the non-floating element at the bottom, you can use that to push out the border
[17:40] <wolfger> welcome to #ubuntu-us-mi-webdev
[17:40] <Blazeix> or, alternatively, make the "change existing part" div float:left as well
[17:40] <tjagoda> Yayworks
[17:41] <Blazeix> wolfger: I'm going to into webdev withdrawal, working on a silverlight project at work now :/
[17:41] <Blazeix> I need to get my fix wherever I can
[17:42] <Milyardo> Silverlight? Thems fightin words 'round these parts.
[17:42]  * Blazeix cowers
[17:42] <wolfger> Milyardo: would it be better if we said Moonlight?
[17:43] <wolfger> ...your project *is* Moonlight compatible, right Blazeix? ;-)
[17:43] <Blazeix> though one of rick_h_'s interviews was talking about delivering ironpython apps via silverlight, which was pretty awesome.
[17:43] <Milyardo> Dunno, is it still popular to accuse Miguel of being a MS shill?
[17:44] <wolfger> Not that I'm aware of.
[17:46] <tjagoda> Ahhh, webdev
[17:47] <tjagoda> I love how I make everything pretty in firefox only to find douchebaggery in IE
[17:47] <tjagoda> Standard standards would be stupendous.
[17:49] <Milyardo> tjagoda: The eastiest way to fix that would to be to stop testing in IE
[17:49] <Milyardo> no IE, no brokeness to make you cry
[17:52] <tjagoda> I wish I could ban IE from the network
[17:52] <tjagoda> have a few customer apps which require it
[17:55] <snap-l> I'm sure they got the license for the Daft Punk sample they used. ;)
[17:57] <wolfger> fair use?
[17:57] <snap-l> Yeah, it was a small clip
[17:57] <snap-l> but that's not a fight I want to fight. ;)
[17:57] <wolfger> sadly that's most of what IP law comes down to
[17:57] <wolfger> who's willing and financially able to fight?
[17:58] <wolfger> and politicians have the nerve to paint copyright/patent laws as being there to protect the little guy
[18:03] <rick_h_> sql wheeeeee http://paste.mitechie.com/show/F6PjV2nZ9SgUwYNRa5Gd/
[18:05] <brousch> tjagoda: the ie crap is why so many people use css frameworks. it eliminates a lot of the fiddling
[18:06] <jcastro> krondor: it's here, the heli!
[18:10] <snap-l> rick_h_: was that your making?
[18:12] <Blazeix> I'm still not sold on css frameworks.
[18:12] <Blazeix> I suppose if they make ie6 'just work' then I can see the value.
[18:13] <Blazeix> but I haven't really seen one that doesn't bloat your html with ugly, non-semantic tags.
[18:15] <snap-l> http://luisbg.blogalia.com//historias/69275 <- This is why God invented baseball bats.
[18:23] <brousch> interesting. gpl3 is stifling apple http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/03/24/1546205/Apple-Remove-Samba-From-OS-X-107-Because-of-GPLv3
[18:24] <greg-g> and the summary was total bunk
[18:25] <greg-g> no where does the GPL disallow commercial entities
[18:25] <greg-g> the issue is probably the fact that the gplv3 requires all of the secret codes/signatures required to run the program.
[18:25] <snap-l> Considering Jeremy Allison weighed in and said that apple has been moving away from GPLed code, I tend to think the summary is bunk as well
[18:26]  * greg-g was just trolled, I think
[18:26] <wolfger> I don't see how this "stiffles Apple" at all.
[18:27] <wolfger> If it's bad for anybody, it's bad for FOSS
[18:27] <brousch> wolfger: i think you're right. apple will make their own samba-like thing and stop caring about the real samba
[18:28] <rick_h_> snap-l: yes, that's my fault, updating their stuff
[18:28] <wolfger> it's not like they don't have a mountain of paid devs to write something
[18:29] <brousch> small businesses will plop an easy to configure apple domain controller on their network instead of a MS SBS or linux server
[18:30] <rick_h_> psh, own samba-like thing...you mean "Apple Share, now compatible with the 2012 iMacs, share files with your network of 2012 macs, soon to be updated for 2013"
[18:30] <rick_h_> "warning, 2013 Apple Share is not compatible with 2012 Apple share"
[18:31] <brousch> yes, and a lot of apple-centric shops will do it.
[18:31] <rick_h_> greg-g: was there a particular software package in question for that vote?"
[18:32] <brousch> if it's easier to use than SBS and cheaper i see a lot of windows shops doing it too
[18:32] <rick_h_> yea, gotta love it. Can't get windows shops off of XP, but Mac shops buy their annual upgrades
[18:32] <greg-g> rick_h_: I think flash maybe? not sure, someone just brought up youtube for some reason
[18:33] <rick_h_> ic, will be interesting then
[18:34] <rick_h_> there was talk of maybe gonig to chrome at some point, which bundles flash ootb
[18:34] <rick_h_> though I guess it's just be chromium without the flasg bit
[18:35] <greg-g> dunno
[18:36] <rick_h_> ok, well just curious
[18:44] <ColonelPanic001> I got a refurbished Thinkpad T61p nearly a year ago
[18:44] <ColonelPanic001> just now I noticed and found out that I can remove the DVD drive and put a 3 cell battery in its place.
[18:45] <rick_h_> yea, that's what I did in mine
[18:45] <rick_h_> it uses that battery first when draining
[18:45] <rick_h_> so it'll get the most wear/tear
[18:46] <rick_h_> and cheaper to replace
[18:46] <ColonelPanic001> I doubt I'd make use of it anyway, but if not for that, I think I probably would, too.
[18:46] <ColonelPanic001> it's pretty damn rare I use a DVD/CD
[18:46] <rick_h_> yea, I had to look mine up when I sold my laptop
[18:46] <rick_h_> didn't know wth I had put it
[18:46] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[18:46] <rick_h_> it's good stuff, definitely try it out if you live on battery much
[18:47] <ColonelPanic001> now and then, but rarely to I really run out. Just use the battery for CHC, pretty much, and it lasts long enough for that.
[18:47] <rick_h_> keep an eye on: http://outlet.lenovo.com/accessories/batteries.html
[18:47] <ColonelPanic001> awesome that it's that easy to do, though
[18:47] <ColonelPanic001> oh yeah, first place I looked
[18:47] <rick_h_> cool
[18:47] <ColonelPanic001> my desktop and laptop both came from outlet.lenovo.com
[18:47] <ColonelPanic001> they also both have the wrong cpu sticker, heh
[19:07] <jcastro> krondor: we need to hang
[19:07] <jcastro> I have my chopper.
[19:07] <jcastro> I will call it ubuwolf
[19:09] <jrwren> I don't know where to ask, so I'll ask you all for advice and better places to ask: apple's dnssd.dll for bonjour, does anyone know if it is open source. developer.apple.com/opensource makes me think maybe it is, but I'm not sure if I can ship it with my app
[19:13] <greg-g> oh, that's smart (re: the thinkpad using that smaller battery first when discharging)
[19:13] <jcastro> http://www.xheli.com/z008-miniheli-blue.html
[19:13] <jcastro> I bought this
[19:13] <jcastro> and my first flight
[19:13] <jcastro> not so awesome
[19:13] <jcastro> but I will get better
[19:14] <brousch> hah, chopper. i thought you bought a motorcycle
[19:14] <greg-g> jcastro: you rock
[19:56] <snap-l> omg, this is awesome
[19:57] <snap-l> Nothing can surpass this Flash intro, ever
[19:59] <greg-g> yeah, amazing, huh?
[19:59] <greg-g> unfortunately, because this is making the rounds online, they are just going to believe that their intro is *actually* good
[20:00] <snap-l> greg-g: It's not?
[20:00]  * greg-g hangs head
[20:00] <snap-l> Dude, that intro has more drama than any Hollywood blockbuster
[20:01] <snap-l> And that welcome page... I got chills
[20:04] <snap-l> That is the Chuck Norris of fFlash intros
[20:21] <snap-l> I'm so metal, I just purchased Tangerine Dream's "The Virgin Years" on Ubuntu One.
[20:21] <snap-l> <- Hardcore badass.
[20:22] <snap-l> The Moog must flow.
[20:22] <greg-g> wow
[20:23] <snap-l> Actually, it's to check out the earlier stuff
[20:23] <snap-l> I had some with Edgar and Jerome Froese, and while it was OK, it was pretty... um...
[20:23] <snap-l> wankery.
[20:43] <greg-g> can someone tell me good luck real quick?
[20:44] <brousch> break a leg!
[20:44] <brousch> unless you want luck riding your boke home, in which case, good luck!
[20:44] <rick_h_droid> ooh, what for?
[20:45] <greg-g> Wikimedia Foundation gig
[20:45] <greg-g> skype interview in 15 minutes
[20:45] <brousch> ok, you get a real good luck then ;)
[20:46] <greg-g> thanks buddy :)
[20:51] <jrwren> snap-l: now i want to listen to underwater twilight
[20:51] <jrwren> greg-g: GOOD LUCK!
[20:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Make them forget their own names by how awesome you are.
[20:54] <greg-g> wow, we'll see ;)
[22:02] <snap-l> now is the time on sprockets when we dance.
[22:02] <greg-g> done!
[22:03] <snap-l> And?
[22:03] <greg-g> that was actually a tough interview
[22:03] <greg-g> good/thoughtful questions
[22:03] <greg-g> hopefully they heard good answers ;)
[22:03] <greg-g> but, I need to go make dinner real quick before a 7pm meeting
[22:03] <greg-g> bbian
[22:03] <greg-g> b
[22:03] <snap-l> Have fun, and hoping they finalize on you. :)
[22:04] <greg-g> thanks man
[22:10] <rick_h_droid> send them our way, we'll convince them
[22:16] <greg-g> :) thanks man
[23:12] <jcastro> man it's nerd city over here.
[23:12] <jcastro> snap-l: wife's painting or something so it's just me.
[23:12] <jcastro> beer.
[23:12] <jcastro> and Show of Hands cranking.
[23:35] <jcastro> snap-l: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4072775080/jorge-tor-and-the-snow-dog