| linuxboy | fp! | 11:31 |
|---|---|---|
| superfly | sp | 11:36 |
| queery | maaz, coffee on | 12:03 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 12:03 | |
| queery | any one else want some? | 12:03 |
| Tonberry | nah | 12:06 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for queery! | 12:07 |
| queery | maaz, thank you | 12:07 |
| Maaz | queery: Okay :-) | 12:07 |
| === Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman | ||
| plustwo | hey guys... | 17:27 |
| nlsthzn | plustwo: hey :) (and hi all ) | 17:28 |
| plustwo | superfly, what does it take to become a MOTU? | 17:28 |
| superfly | plustwo: that's a good question, which I do not know the answer to | 17:29 |
| * plustwo decided to help in bugs ... | 17:29 | |
| superfly | however, I'm sure Google knows | 17:29 |
| plustwo | fixing bugs truely! | 17:29 |
| superfly | Maaz: google for how to become an ubuntu motu | 17:29 |
| Maaz | superfly: "MOTU/FAQ - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ :: "MOTU/Mentoring - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring :: "Proposal for the enhancement of the Mentoring Program" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu-mentors/2007-October/000153.html :: "MOTU - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU :: "YouTube - Learning MOTU - Getting Started" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyEl3w7SFK4 :: "Steve Kowalik « | 17:29 |
| superfly | plustwo: there we go, looks like a few good links ^^ | 17:29 |
| plustwo | superfly, thank you kindly. | 17:31 |
| superfly | plustwo: thank the Google, not me | 17:31 |
| plustwo | i still want the basic layman's terms HOWTO | 17:31 |
| superfly | plustwo: read read read read | 17:32 |
| superfly | that's what you need to do | 17:32 |
| * plustwo thinks should have gone the goolge way. what's the point if one has advise locally? | 17:32 | |
| plustwo | superfly, sometimes it's not that easy to understand what is described on the HOWTO's... | 17:33 |
| plustwo | obscure information leads to assumptions. | 17:33 |
| superfly | plustwo: sometimes you just need to read it twice | 17:34 |
| plustwo | lol | 17:34 |
| plustwo | that was something i didn't realize... | 17:34 |
| plustwo | inetpro, u here? | 17:34 |
| * plustwo checks out the links | 17:35 | |
| plustwo | i was very exhausted by the day's thinkings @ work | 17:35 |
| * plustwo hates Mac a bit | 17:36 | |
| superfly | plustwo: if you're tired from the day's thinkings, then you don't want to become an MOTU, because it involves even more thinking | 17:38 |
| plustwo | Maaz, tell inetpro i desperatly needed his inputs. | 17:38 |
| Maaz | plustwo: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode | 17:38 |
| plustwo | superfly, i worked on a difficult issue on a Mac srv today. not the whole day tho | 17:39 |
| plustwo | just impatience of the users | 17:39 |
| nlsthzn | cheers all | 17:40 |
| plustwo | nlsthzn, bye | 17:40 |
| superfly | plustwo: I worked on lots of difficult things, I came home to a sick wife and a sick toddler, and now I'm working on an open source project while fielding your questions and support and development questions in the project's IRC channel | 17:40 |
| plustwo | ooops! | 17:40 |
| superfly | plustwo: it's called life | 17:40 |
| plustwo | lol | 17:40 |
| plustwo | superfly, i envy you a lot | 17:41 |
| superfly | why? | 17:41 |
| plustwo | superfly, i like people like you mostly as they encourage loosers like us to keep the courage in life | 17:42 |
| plustwo | i hate to be amongst loosers | 17:42 |
| superfly | there are no losers, only those who lack self-motivation | 17:42 |
| plustwo | there you go, right on the spot met eis. :-) | 17:43 |
| plustwo | superfly, i knew i could count on you. | 17:43 |
| plustwo | superfly, you know a lot about packaging? ubuntu i mean? | 17:44 |
| superfly | plustwo: a little | 17:45 |
| * Symmetria finished his development work for a little bit :) | 17:47 | |
| plustwo | superfly, that's no kwl! :-( really, but i shouldn't under estimate your "little" as you've putted it... | 17:47 |
| Symmetria | heh, wrote the system I needed, took me 2 days, and now Im on a break :P | 17:47 |
| Symmetria | http://iris.tenet.ac.za/router.php | 17:48 |
| plustwo | gud work Symmetria ... | 17:48 |
| Symmetria | ^^^ <3 | 17:48 |
| Symmetria | heh the code behind producing that page is... insane :) | 17:48 |
| superfly | Symmetria: it's PHP. Enough Said. | 17:49 |
| plustwo | superfly, i'm currently learning python and wxpython. any good towards fixing bug or participating on ubuntu projects? | 17:50 |
| superfly | python yes, dunno about wxpython | 17:51 |
| * plustwo is learning on his own at his own pace... | 17:51 | |
| * superfly stays away from wxStuff | 17:51 | |
| plustwo | superfly, ok. tkinter? | 17:51 |
| superfly | nope, PyQt4 | 17:51 |
| plustwo | superfly, oh, thanks for the info! what benefits will PyQt4 bring in my development? if i may ask? | 17:53 |
| * plustwo should google PyQt | 17:53 | |
| superfly | looks and works natively on Windows, Linux, Mac, is a commercial toolkit used in things like Google Earth | 17:53 |
| superfly | one of the best libraries out there | 17:54 |
| Symmetria | http://iris.tenet.ac.za/router.php <=== if you aint on that page, and are at LINX, and feel like turning up some peering, msg me, and if you're on that page and listed as down, msg as well so we can fix this :P (We are AS36944 btw) | 17:55 |
| Symmetria | oooops | 17:55 |
| Symmetria | mis-channel | 17:55 |
| plustwo | superfly, thanks a mil | 17:55 |
| plustwo | :-) | 17:55 |
| plustwo | superfly, is PyQt KDE related? | 17:55 |
| superfly | KDE is written on the Qt4 framework | 17:56 |
| superfly | PyQt4 is the Python bindings for Qt4 | 17:56 |
| superfly | plustwo: only really related in that KDE uses Qt, but not much more than that | 17:57 |
| superfly | Qt applications look just like other Gnome apps when you're using Gnome | 17:57 |
| * plustwo uses gnome, but not scared to get into Qt... | 17:58 | |
| plustwo | superfly, thanks again. | 17:58 |
| * plustwo will brb, googling | 17:59 | |
| inetpro | hmm... | 18:17 |
| Maaz | inetpro: By the way, plustwo on freenode told me "tell inetpro i desperatly needed his inputs." 39 minutes ago | 18:17 |
| * inetpro just turned his back and suddenly have others looking for him? | 18:18 | |
| inetpro | btw, good evening everyone | 18:19 |
| superfly | yo inetpro | 18:20 |
| inetpro | superfly: I see you suffering again? | 18:21 |
| superfly | inetpro: no more than usual, just using it to make a point | 18:21 |
| inetpro | superfly: ah, ok | 18:24 |
| superfly | some people seem to think being tired is an excuse to not google | 18:26 |
| inetpro | superfly: true | 18:31 |
| inetpro | superfly: I've done it more than once | 18:35 |
| Symmetria | *HRM* wtf | 18:35 |
| Symmetria | I have a cron entry that looks like this: | 18:35 |
| Symmetria | */5 * * * * /usr/bgp-poller/bgptable.php &>/var/log/bgp-poller.log | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | except, the log file is always 0 bytes big | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | but the script is *definately* running as expected | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | because I can see the database changes happening | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | wtf aint it outputting the log | 18:36 |
| linuxboy | what does the script output if you run it on the command line? | 18:36 |
| inetpro | Symmetria: what user is it running as? | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | an absolute crapload of stuff that its using print to write out | 18:36 |
| Symmetria | root | 18:36 |
| linuxboy | I've never seen &> | 18:37 |
| linuxboy | why not use > ? | 18:37 |
| Symmetria | & says output everything on multi-level output basically | 18:37 |
| Symmetria | its a wider catchall | 18:37 |
| linuxboy | ah | 18:37 |
| linuxboy | stdout and stderr | 18:37 |
| linuxboy | k | 18:37 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 18:38 |
| linuxboy | if you remove the redirect, and set a MAILTO do you get a mail with the contents of the output? | 18:38 |
| inetpro | Symmetria: is there always supposed to be output? | 18:38 |
| Symmetria | yes, there is always output | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | lots of it :) | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | */5 * * * * /usr/bgp-poller/bgptable.php |/usr/bin/mail -s Test aa@tenet.ac.za | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | ^^^ lets see what that does | 18:39 |
| inetpro | Symmetria: why just a single > | 18:39 |
| inetpro | it's not appending | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | inetpro, doesnt matter if it overrides | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | yeah I know | 18:39 |
| inetpro | ok | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | I only ever need the last runs logs :) | 18:39 |
| linuxboy | next test: change it to >> to see what it does | 18:39 |
| Symmetria | tried that | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | same thing | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | lets see what the email does :) | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | heh, gonna need to make the script email me at some point anyway but that wont be the logs, will be only on status changes | 18:40 |
| Symmetria | http://iris.tenet.ac.za/router.php <=== that script generates the backend data for that page | 18:41 |
| inetpro | Symmetria: I bet there will be no difference in the message | 18:41 |
| Symmetria | will know for sure in 1 minute and 20 seconds | 18:42 |
| Symmetria | :) | 18:42 |
| linuxboy | Symmetria: change the script to echo a "hello world" too | 18:42 |
| Symmetria | heh I just manually executed the script, it shoves out about 70 lines of logs so thats definately working | 18:43 |
| linuxboy | Symmetria: you do have php-cli installed? | 18:43 |
| linuxboy | Symmetria: what about php <scriptname> ? | 18:43 |
| Symmetria | linuxboy yes, and like I say, the script is running, Im seeing the changes in the database | 18:43 |
| Symmetria | that script modifies a backend database, heavily modifies it | 18:43 |
| inetpro | what's the path like on your shell vs the cron shell? | 18:44 |
| Symmetria | identical | 18:44 |
| Symmetria | heh the |mail statement mailed me a full log | 18:44 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 18:44 |
| inetpro | &> | 18:44 |
| linuxboy | tee? | 18:45 |
| * Symmetria tries a >> without the & | 18:45 | |
| Symmetria | just to see | 18:45 |
| inetpro | btw s/cron shell/cron environment/ | 18:46 |
| Symmetria | all the paths are hard coded :) | 18:46 |
| Symmetria | with full path | 18:46 |
| Symmetria | to get around that | 18:46 |
| Symmetria | so #!/usr/bin/php for example | 18:46 |
| inetpro | cool, always important! | 18:46 |
| inetpro | damn | 18:47 |
| * inetpro has minutes to write | 18:47 | |
| inetpro | Symmetria: is it working yet? | 18:57 |
| Symmetria | will check in a second | 18:58 |
| Symmetria | just fixing something else | 18:58 |
| Symmetria | heh | 18:59 |
| Symmetria | there, added some color to my table page :P | 18:59 |
| Symmetria | yeah, now its working without the & | 19:00 |
| Symmetria | interesting | 19:00 |
| Symmetria | never seen that before | 19:00 |
| froztbyte | > redirects a stream, and will overwrite the destination | 19:19 |
| froztbyte | >> redirects a stream, and will append to the destination | 19:19 |
| froztbyte | >& (commonly seen as "2>&1") takes input from one fd and merges it with another | 19:20 |
| froztbyte | 2>&1 means "take the output from fd2 (stderr) and combine it with fd1 (stdout)" | 19:21 |
| froztbyte | so what you normally actually want in a cron line is 2>&1 >> /path/to/logfile | 19:21 |
| froztbyte | Symmetria: ^ | 19:22 |
| froztbyte | the reason your log was 0 bytes after running is because your command actually ran as "task &" and then "> /logfile" | 19:23 |
| froztbyte | so anything up the & got backgrounded, and then blank data was redirected into the logfile | 19:23 |
| froztbyte | up to* the | 19:24 |
| linuxboy | froztbyte: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html | 19:31 |
| linuxboy | froztbyte: 3.6.4 | 19:31 |
| froztbyte | linuxboy: why do you paste this to me? | 19:32 |
| linuxboy | 21:23 < froztbyte> the reason your log was 0 bytes after running is because your command actually ran as "task &" and then "> /logfile" | 19:32 |
| linuxboy | ^^^ | 19:32 |
| froztbyte | linuxboy: yes, read again | 19:32 |
| froztbyte | &>, not >& | 19:32 |
| linuxboy | did you read that link? | 19:32 |
| linuxboy | froztbyte: yes, read again | 19:33 |
| froztbyte | linuxboy: okay, tell me, what shell does cron run? | 19:33 |
| inetpro | froztbyte: good points | 19:45 |
| nuvolari | fp | 22:15 |
| Owkkuri | sp | 22:59 |
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