[06:45] is it possible to share a couchdb with other ubuntuone users? [07:48] Morning all [07:48] fagan: good morning! [07:48] And congrats on your internship by the way. :) [07:48] nhaines: thanks :) [07:50] * fagan just did a ninja catch on some biscuits that were about to hit the ground and is very happy with himself [07:50] :D [07:50] It just won't do to waste good biscuits. [07:51] yeah :) [07:51] Ok im going to fix the hue on my monitor before work since its terrible [07:55] much better my nvidia card be weird with the colours [07:58] I need to pull all my important drives and get natty installed on the spare drive on my main computer. Just to see if Unity will work. :) [07:59] nhaines: well mine works perfect on all my machines out of the box :) [08:00] I even have 2 graphics cards in one of the machines and its cool [08:00] the only beef I have is a problem with my card's dvi controller it makes the text blurry [08:02] not all text just ones not in black [08:02] so gmail looks very funny with its mix of colours [08:02] * fagan contemplates switching to black and white [08:04] morning all [08:05] morning duanedesign [08:06] morning karni [08:06] morning mandel [08:07] morning everyone, hi fagan [08:07] fagan: , karni: morning! [08:07] i need to update the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/ThirdPartyProjects page [08:07] duanedesign: uuu anything new :) ? [08:07] fagan: I own you a review, on it in a few min [08:07] duanedesign: hi! by the way :) [08:07] :) [08:08] karni: i noticed the page is showing up in a lot of google results [08:08] mandel: its cool take you time [08:08] karni: technically Android U1 is not a 'third party' project anymore? [08:08] fagan: is more like… bloody 56 email in the inbox than anything else ;) [08:09] duanedesign: good catch. it's discontinued, and Ubuntu One Files is not third party party anymore [08:09] * fagan probably wouldnt turn on the file sync anyway on his phone [08:10] It has about a day battery with no real processes running [08:11] Good morning, everyone. I asked before, but I guess everyone was asleep. :) is it possible to share a couchdb with other ubuntuone users? [08:11] fagan: I charge my phone on daily basis too, anyway. But the sync granulity is way up to 'daily', or off, so it's your choice ;) [08:11] hello jo-erlend [08:11] jo-erlend: i just saw that question in the scrollback [08:11] :) [08:11] :) [08:12] karni: I suppose it wouldnt be too bad if the sync was daily [08:12] duanedesign: should I remove myself from ThirtPartyProjects ? [08:12] jo-erlend: their is the CouchDB pairing tool [08:12] fagan: the user has choice. 15 min, 30min, 1h, 12h, 24h [08:12] karni: if you have a second that would be great [08:13] duanedesign: sure [08:13] karni: I dont actually even think there is anything on my u1 that has a place on my phone [08:13] duanedesign: that tool is more for syncing on the local network though. [08:13] But i suppose I only got the upgraded account yesterday [08:15] jamesh: you are right [08:15] hmm [08:15] duanedesign: yes, but let's say I make a "remember the milk" application. I use my desktopcouch as storage for it and I sync it with ubuntu one. Others in the family also has ubuntu one accounts and uses the same application. It would be nice if I could sync one of my couchdbs with them so that we all have the same data in our todo lists. But is that possible? [08:15] fagan: 1) free account is enough to have file sync handy ;) 2) it's useful to (sync) carry around a few documents which are imporatnt to you wherever you care :) [08:16] karni: yeah I have my college notes and stuff but still its not really the form factor that id like to be studying on. I suppose the u1 sync will come in really handy for the android pad devices [08:17] fagan: you mean tablets, is that right? [08:17] jo-erlend: there is nothing to stop you running a replication job like that, although the permissions system isn't granular enough to give access to only one of your databases to another user. [08:17] jo-erlend: IIRC there are plans to change that, but I don't have any dates. [08:23] karni: yeah [08:32] fagan: I'm taking a look at your branch now, are you working on something atm? [08:32] mandel: nope [08:33] mandel: it still needs resizing and the text and all that so expect it to be really bad [08:33] fagan: then you can start working on that, right :) [08:33] mandel: ok thats cool then [08:34] id say it will take about 2 hours or so to get that perfect so ill ping you when im done [08:35] fagan: is either that, or taking a look at lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/windows_ui_3, there you will find a setup.py, take a look at it and try to understand what is going on, once you do, create something similar for the installer [08:35] fagan: ping me when done then, do the work on a diff brach so I can review the current one with no problems :) [08:35] mandel: sure [08:35] fagan: I'll probaly will approve it, and will file bugs agains you :P [08:35] nooooooooo :) [08:36] * fagan doesnt like bugs [08:36] It's good for you! [Regular Orginarny Swedish Meal] [08:38] Feels like I'll have to upgrade to a batter hardware than my good, old HTC Hero [08:38] karni: wow thats old [08:39] fagan: ~1yr 3months [08:39] or wait.. was it 2 years x] [08:39] nah [08:39] karni: yeah thats old in current tech standards [08:40] fagan: exactly [08:40] but using old hardware helps when developing [08:40] since you have to program better because of the slower cpu, smaller memory..etc [08:40] correct [08:52] moin all [08:52] morning Chipaca [08:53] good morning Chipaca [08:53] it is, surprisingly [08:53] although I can't get onto the canonical irc [08:53] * fagan wonders if its a sign of the apocolypse that Ireland has like 20 degree weather atm [08:53] Chipaca: its lagging a lot too [08:54] im getting like 5 sec lag on it [08:54] fagan: run to the hills! [08:55] fagan: comment added in the review proposal [08:56] mandel: cool will check it out [08:56] Chipaca: morning! today looks like a good morning for windows, if the branches land, we will have a fully port ubuntu sso :D [08:57] see? told you the sky was falling [08:57] mandel: isnt every day a bad day for windows? [08:58] mandel: so I have to add a layout and remove the buttons? [08:58] fagan: some times, I'm happy, I was up til 2am yesterday getting it to work, we can login, register, etc.. it also integrates with the Windows Credentials manager… so for once its indeed a good day :) [08:59] oh and remove the menu bar [08:59] fagan: change the widget class… maybe if I show you how to do it it will go faster, skype has a screen cast or something like that, right? [09:00] yeah it does for windows yeah [09:00] fagan: shall we? that way I can tell you how to do it faster, we can go through an imaginary one and then you tackle the rest, does that sound good? [09:01] mandel: sure im just installing it on my ubuntu machine [09:01] fagan: skype you mean? cool [09:01] yep [09:01] fagan: I'll try to find in the mean time how to screencast the vm :P [09:02] :) [09:02] it will only be 10 secs more [09:02] sure, no worries :) [09:03] ooh, can i watch? [09:03] you probably can't screencast to a group, huh [09:03] Chipaca: you can I think [09:03] Chipaca: we can try [09:03] you just do a group call and share the video of what you are doing [09:04] ok im logged in [09:06] nice feedback on new U1 preferences http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=11244 [09:07] neat [09:09] duanedesign: the article, or the comments do you mean? [09:11] Chipaca_: i try and stay away from the comments :P [09:12] duanedesign: the comments are a very good barometer of ... *something* [09:24] fagan: work in the same branch so that you have the different version [09:24] mandel: kk [09:48] "What a beautiful day, hey hey, what a beautiful day!" Good morning everyone! :D [09:48] JamesTait: U2 such a good Irish band [09:48] :) [09:49] * fagan loves the quote [09:49] fagan: U2? I thought that was the Leve11ers? [09:50] Pretty sure it was someone from your part of the world anyway! [09:51] JamesTait: damn it I thought you were doing beautiful day by U2 [09:51] :/ [09:51] mandel: this is actually working out a lot easier than I though [09:51] I'll save that for tomorrow, assuming it still is. :) [09:51] *thought [09:53] fagan: nice, it is one of those things that if you show it, it is straigtf foward to understand, at the pace you will be a Qt master ;) [09:53] mandel: yeah the only problem im having now is dragging and dropping correctly :P [09:54] its reversing the order when I drag it to the vert layout [09:55] fagan: the drag and drop is the worst bit, specially when you have complicated designs.. it gets on my nerves [09:56] mandel: i wonder if there is a bug report somewhere against qtdesginer about it [09:57] no idea [09:59] Im just going to create the layout and put in some bad spacers for the moment and then push it to the branch for you to look at to make sure im doing it right [09:59] * fagan is trying to do it to the design [10:02] mandel: what was the size constraint again? [10:02] fagan: can I quote you on that? [10:03] Chipaca_: if you want :P [10:03] fagan: done [10:03] :) [10:03] * fagan knew he would get quoted for something eventually [10:04] fagan: there are two diff things, the size constraint that states which are the min and max sizes the widget can use, eg width between 40px and 50px and the size policy which is the one that states if the widget should have a fixed size, stretch etc... [10:05] mandel: I mean the setting for the vert layout that you did at the start [10:06] fagan: I dont understand, why are you trying to do? [10:06] * mandel talks a lot [10:07] mandel: I mean the default constaint that you set at the start of what you were doing on skype [10:07] you placed the vert layout then set the constraint so it would expand with the window [10:09] fagan: oh, that, right click on the widget, got to layout, and set the overall layout of it [10:09] fagan: is like doing .setLayout by code, you are telling the wizardpage which layout to use [10:10] mandel: you can morph windows into widgets I just found [10:10] or not [10:11] I was clicking on something else [10:11] fagan: there are some widget that you can indeed morph, but I cannot remember which ones [10:12] there is some setting somewhere in the context menu for that, unfortunatly you can do from widget to windows, but not the other way around [10:12] if I remember correctly [10:12] mandel: you can morph any layout to any other layout it seems I just played about with it [10:13] oki doke first screen done and since the first one is the hardest it shouldnt be too much longer for the rest [10:13] and the one I did was the hardest one so its good from here [10:14] nice, let me know when you are done so I can take a second look [10:15] mandel: sure I havent done any of the spacer stuff yet or sized any of the objects on the window but they are in a layout and shouldnt take too long to set all those [10:17] fagan: cool, remember you can try the layout in real live from qtdesigner, is a good way to find layout issues. [10:18] mandel: yeah im just giving them all a first pass and then going into detail afterwards. [10:30] JamesTait: hey listen. this is really low priority and I don't quite understand what's the problem, but since few days, the "Confirm Computer Access" page is not horizontally scrollable. This is using the default Android browser, so I have nothing to do with it. But it kina feels strage if I can't scroll around the page. Has the layout/divs been changed recently? [10:30] karni: I believe you will want to nudge rockstar about that - I've been meaning to do exactly that myself, actually. [10:31] JamesTait: You have noticed the same thing? [10:31] In fact, I think there is a mobile interface in the works from ivanka's team, but I wouldn't swear to that. [10:31] I see [10:36] 4 left yay [10:37] although coffee is needed [11:05] 2 left [11:25] mandel: check out the branch [11:25] I didnt size stuff yet [11:26] but added the layout and spacers [11:28] fagan: ok, gime me 10 min, I'm in the middle of a failing test :P [11:28] mandel: your cool take your time [11:28] * fagan watches last night american idol :P [11:29] *nights [11:33] fagan: TV is not good for you! (TM) [11:34] karni: yeah I dont think coffee is either but that doesnt stop me :) [11:34] fagan: you're procrastinating ;) /me learned a new word [11:34] I'm just kidding : [11:34] :) [11:35] karni: hah im not procrastinating im playing guitar [11:35] xD [11:35] fagan, playing guitar is always good! :-) [11:36] teknico: I have 5 within arms reach from my computer [11:36] fagan, and definitely better that watching TV ;-) [11:36] teknico: doing both>all [11:36] fagan, currently I have 5 too, but selling one, interested? ;-) [11:37] teknico: im in the market for a yellow telecaster [11:37] * fagan is looking to get one with itern pay [11:37] *intern [11:38] yellow is my fav guitar colour [11:38] but only gloss yellow [11:42] oooh I just was looking at the gibson website and I may get one of them instead [11:45] fagan, why not get this one instead? ;-) http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_Chitarra-classica-silenziosa-elettrificata-Yamaha-SLG100N-Silent-Guitar_id2016108.html [11:46] lol [11:46] interesting one [11:46] ok I cant afford a gibson :P [11:53] bonjour fagan [11:54] hey clarita [11:54] fagan: howdy doody - any news on getting some grabs of where you are at with installer? [11:55] clarita: I have them a little better still no text and they are still really rough [11:55] I need mandel to have a look before I go ahead and finish them [11:55] clarita: I'm reviewing it atm, I'm going as fast as can ;) [11:56] hehe [11:56] clarita: they will be done a little after lunch [11:56] clarita: I will have the sso app running for you this afternoon, I need to find a way to send it to you so that you do not have to install a dev enviroment [11:57] mandel: we should make a wiki page with the stuff you need anyway [11:58] fagan: yes, I did one for the old code but not for the current one, it would be very nice to have one [11:58] but I'm not going to ask you to do it, is waaaaaay boring [11:58] mandel: isnt that the kind of thing you should be putting me onto [11:58] * fagan hides just in case mandel agrees [12:00] mandel fagan: super! [12:01] fagan: is something you can do if you are blocked by me doing the review, certainly, but I dont believe hat interships are for you to be 'making coffee' you have to get your hands dirty :) [12:02] fagan mandel: btw I am still taking a look at the folder selection and sync again today [12:02] mandel: yeah thats cool. I can fix the layout a little bit [12:03] clarita: thats cool I have the folder things and all "done" ish but it doesnt take much to change it so go ahead === teknico is now known as teknico_away [12:03] mandel: the layout still sucks pretty bad and I could be playing about with the spacers [12:03] fagan: let me finish with the comments so that you have some feed back [12:04] clarita: feel free to go will, I'm open enough to tell you when you went crazy :P [12:05] Im pretty honest too so I can say when design is funny [12:05] mandel fagan: funny ha ha? ;-) [12:05] mandel fagan: i'll try to include some appropriate comedy mmoments [12:06] moments [12:06] clarita: ill make sure I throw in the proper polite laugh [12:06] fagan: if you don't mind [12:08] * mandel wonders if those two are lol at the screen, apparently last time fagan and clarita waved at each other over a conf call... [12:09] * fagan confirms the wave [12:13] Im going nuts with horizontal spacers [12:14] fagan: added the comments, take a look, and dont take them hard, I'm just very picky :) [12:15] mandel: kk [12:15] im fixing the spacing issues now [12:16] fagan: sometimes is easier when you group things together, maybe that helps [12:17] mandel: Oh on the label on the checkbox comment. I did that on purpose just in case we needed to space them out a bit [12:17] so I did that on purpose [12:18] fagan: we can do that with styling, no need to add extra labels [12:19] fagan: all the styling will be done later, ralsina should be the boss on that :P [12:19] mandel: oh ok I didnt know that [12:19] I can just remove the extra labels then its coo [12:19] *cool [12:20] fagan: yes to confirm styling is on its way...thanks to lisette who has just joined the Design team [12:20] lisette will now be listening :-) [12:20] cool [12:26] fagan: in Qt you can have the default style per widget, or define your own so that you can have the same UI but diff styles [12:27] mandel fagan and lisette: there was a question in the wireframes about progress indication during the installation process (both step-by-step as well as actual installation) [12:27] Oh so you mean like a step 1,2,3...etc [12:28] exactly - for the screen step by step this is quite simple (she says) but for actual installation am I right in thinking this can't be reported as it happens? [12:28] We could do 1, installing u1 2, select plan 3, select folders 4, done [12:28] that would be fine [12:29] Dont know what kind of widget to use to display it but I know what you mean [12:29] ok thanks - would be good to know if there are any restrictions when using the widgets on style..? [12:30] mandel: ^ [12:31] clarita: the only things that would be hard, yet doable would be a progressbar similar to the one that was proposed a while back, but mainly due to time contrains [12:31] clarita: for me, the best would be to go for a design you consider ok, and then we sit down and talk about the diff compromises [12:32] where can i find this progress bar that was proposed? [12:32] lisette: in the.....Googledoc! [12:32] clarita: is there the one with the circles etc...? [12:33] lisette: I do have an email with it if needed :) [12:35] * fagan is almost finished his attempt at the bandwidth windo [12:35] *window [12:36] mandel: ill ask you to look at just that to get it perfect [12:36] fagan: sure, I need to walk the dog, I'll do it asap I'm back, is that ok? [12:37] mandel: I need to go on break too soonish so ill go do what I have to do and have it ready at 2 after the standup [12:37] sure, np [12:38] mandel: can you set a layout to a frame? [12:39] it doesnt seem to be offering it to me [12:39] yes you can, just drop it there [12:40] oh ok [12:40] it looked like it was just working for a little space in the frame [12:42] well, I need to go [12:42] * mandel walking beast === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === teknico_away is now known as teknico [13:40] * fagan has a pain in the neck and cant turn left [13:40] so sore [13:40] fagan: make 3 right turns [13:42] dobey: xD [13:46] * fagan went crazy trying to fix a monitor problem just there only to find that the monitor wasnt on the right channel [13:49] fagan: That's not that bad. Once a guy formatted my harddrive because the printer wasn't working. It turned out the printer was connected through the scanner, which was AC unplugged. [13:50] I did not know we had zoolander with us [13:50] :) [13:50] its actually pretty sore [13:51] ralsina: ping? [13:52] mandel: he's at pycamp.ar [13:52] thisfred: that i what I though so is there a point of doing the weekly? [13:52] I don [13:52] t know, I always just do it, no matter who's there [13:53] do we still do standup when he isnt around? [13:53] well half our team is at pycamp.ar :) [13:53] stand up in 8'crowd! [13:53] thisfred: the standup makes sense, but the weekly call... [13:53] keep up with what your colleagues are doing, and realize your life isn't so bad kind of thing? :) [13:53] mandel: ah, that I don't know [13:53] dobey: could you please do some follow up in bug #741529? [13:53] Launchpad bug 741529 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "package ubuntuone-client 1.5.8-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/emblems/emblem-ubuntuone-downloading.icon', which is also in package ubuntuone-client-gnome 1.4.5-0ubuntu1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741529 [13:53] dobey: half of our team? is only alecu and ralsina :-) [13:54] I still have to make mumble work right too [13:54] fagan: yes, we do [13:55] mandel: and yes, I don't think we're doing the weekly unless Chipaca wants otherwise [13:56] nessita: that's what I though, weeklies are more a manager thing, right? [13:56] nessita: depends on which "team" dobey meant, because afaik facu and lucio are there also, no? [13:56] yeah [13:56] I got my fill of desktop weekly yesterday, thank you [13:57] Chipaca_: right, I assumed desktop+ since we were talking in the context of our stand up [13:57] did I miss a meeting yesterday? [13:57] thisfred: no, you didn't [13:57] damn [13:57] bah [13:57] but if we consider online services, 4 people is not half ;-) [13:57] not one I was also in [13:57] nessita: your point is excellent, so I am now forced to punch you [13:58] you brought this on you for being right all the time [13:58] * nessita feels punched [13:58] * nessita drops dead [13:58] i was only counting people who will be at the BA sprint :) [13:58] * Chipaca_ opens up a position for a new godess of tdd gtk python dev [13:58] quick, unfix all the doc strings! [13:59] :-) [13:59] thisfred: Il take care of the spelling ;) [13:59] dobey: ah, ok. So, does that report sound familiar/make sense to you? [13:59] you should totally put that on your business cards now, nessita [13:59] thisfred: my business card reads the following, on the back: [13:59] nessita: i just uploaded a fix [13:59] nessita: what was your job description at except? [14:00] "women and tests are always right" [14:00] "See other side" [14:00] weird that it wasn't reported before though [14:00] dobey: thanks [14:00] me time! [14:00] nope [14:00] me [14:00] * dobey needs to take some me time [14:01] me [14:01] mandel, fagan? [14:01] eso! [14:02] fagan: say me please :-) [14:02] me [14:02] whoops [14:02] :P [14:02] ok, let's go! [14:02] DONE: released ussoc, u1cp (twice! so we could also include last minute tweaks to the account tab). Reviews. [14:02] TODO: evaluation (boring!), SRU for bug #709494, continue hunting replacement for london sprint [14:02] BLOCKED: nopes [14:02] NEXT: thisfred [14:02] * DONE reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~beuno/ubuntuone-servers/really-show-third-party-contacts/+merge/54617 [14:02] * DONE reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~vds/ubuntuone-servers/better_view_abstraction/+merge/54557 [14:02] * DONE http://pad.lv/740377 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/tune-notifications/+merge/54510 [14:02] * INPROGRESS get ubuntuone-couch into natty [2/3] [14:02] - [X] 0.2.0 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-couch/release-0.2.0/+merge/53317 [14:02] - [X] ubuntuone-couch FFE http://pad.lv/729117 [14:03] - [ ] wait for the package to get through the upload queue [14:03] nessita: Bug 709494 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/709494 is private [14:03] * INPROGRESS notifications/alerts of quota events http://pad.lv/702172 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/quota-notifications [14:03] * TODO peer review James T. [14:03] * TODO testing knowledge sharing meeting thingy [14:03] NEXT: dobey [14:03] λ DONE: ubuntuone-client release/upload, repository addition for codec install, #741529 [14:03] λ TODO: UIFE request, finish bug #733327, libu1 release, nightlies updates [14:03] Launchpad bug 733327 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Missing user's name field (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733327 [14:03] mandel: go [14:03] λ BLCK: None. [14:03] DONE: Fought with the travel agency which is run by people who could not find there ass even if they had a map of it. Got the Qt application running with the Qt twisted reactor. Got Validation in sorted in SSO Qt ui. [14:03] TODO: ask for reviews, clean up a little SSO, propse UI branches. [14:03] BLOCKED: no [14:03] fagan: go [14:03] DONE [14:03] * Did a few more iterations of the screens to get everything right [14:03] TODO [14:03] * Finish the screens [14:03] BLOCKED [14:03] * nope [14:03] I think im last :) [14:04] mandel: what problem are you having with the agency? [14:04] who are you talking with (name)? [14:04] mandel: if they are being unhelpful, we need to report that to marianna [14:05] nessita: I've been talking with marianna about it already, after 18 emails etc.. they have not managed to do what I asked them for and offered a 700 eur more expensive solution... [14:05] I guess the "field full of horny clues" metaphor doesn't work too well with asses [14:05] or rather, it works *too* well [14:06] mandel: ouch. So marianna is aware of the situation, right? [14:06] * fagan is waiting on his travel agency to get back about the tickets [14:06] mandel: any solution in sight? [14:06] nessita: yes, she is up to date [14:06] metaphors are like similes [14:06] unsmiling similies [14:06] fagan: your travel agency, or the company's? [14:07] nessita: yes, will get the tickets they offer if is ok wth marianna, it has been more a waste of time than anything else [14:07] Chipaca_: companies [14:07] company's I mean [14:07] fagan: ok, phew [14:07] mandel: you just don't work well with belgians [14:07] I know emailed them 2 days ago so they must be on it [14:07] thisfred: don't get me started…. [14:07] haha [14:07] mandel: right, something similar happened to me (though it wasn't 700 euros more expensive, but 20 USD) [14:08] fagan: where are you based? [14:08] nessita: Ireland [14:09] so not far to travel [14:09] fagan: so you're using BTS as your agency, right? [14:09] nessita: nope I used the UK one [14:09] ah, ok [14:09] you may have better luck then :-P [14:09] Ireland wasnt on the list so I presumed we were just lumped into the one agency [14:09] (with the UK) [14:09] fagan: well, you are all british... [14:10] * fagan notes down not to buy mandel a beer [14:10] mandel: you could get kneecapped for saying such things :) [14:11] thisfred: would you be able to do a review in your maverick box? is the branch for the SRU about setting a name when resgitering for SSO (you already reviewed the branch for trunk) [14:11] fagan: well, you are british, not english but brit which is diff, otherwhise why do irsih player play in the british lions? [14:11] nessita: sure thing [14:11] thisfred: thanks! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/displayname-stable/+merge/54702 [14:11] mandel: they don't [14:11] oh in rugby? DOn't know a thing about that [14:11] mate time! I'll be right back [14:12] nessita: it shows 8 conflicts [14:12] argh! [14:12] nessita: I assume that's just launchpad being slow? [14:12] no, is me being slow [14:12] thisfred: they do: / [14:12]