[00:04] <Davidc_3> *downgrading like a pro*
[00:50] <LLStarks> i really like the new scrolling options for the dash. touchpad scrolling, scroll wheel, but no arrow/page key input.
[00:51] <LLStarks> still nice though
[02:25] <j1mc> hi all
[07:27] <bbigras> I 'compiz --replace' supposed to take a long time? It seems frozen.
[07:28] <fagan> bbigras: are you trying to restart unity?
[07:28] <bbigras> fagan: yes
[07:28] <fagan> if you are try doing a unity --reset
[07:32] <bbigras> fagan: I got an exception and a core dump. Is the instructions at http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source/28472#28472 still good?
[07:33] <fagan> bbigras: hmmm interesting was unity working fine before?
[07:33] <fagan> well build instructions change a bit but should be fine
[07:33] <fagan> (some things get added sometimes)
[07:34] <bbigras> fagan: I don't know, it's the first time I try it from source. I'll rebuild in case the lib packages changed.
[07:34] <fagan> bbigras: if it was working before report a bug with the traceback and they will look at it
[07:35] <fagan> just say you are running trunk in the bug too
[07:35] <bbigras> fagan: ok thanks
[08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:21] <MacSlow> hi there everybody!
[08:25] <fagan> Hmmmm how exactly do you put a window onto the second monitor if there is that grid snap thing that makes the window half the size of the first monitor
[08:25]  * fagan has his second monitor working now in unity but cant get anything onto the second window 
[08:29] <didrocks> good morning
[08:58] <zniavre> good morning
[08:59] <zniavre> where are pictures for the launchers stocked please ? modify launcher-background-top/middle/bottom.png  did nothing on the launcher
[10:35] <cdbs> Hi, as for bug #729074, is it not implemented yet? Or is it implemented but a bug is not making the quicklist come up? I can work on the fix
[10:38] <klattimer> dbarth, mpt: I'm thinking about replacing a huge raft of bugs with a single bug for "IDO calendar should have a new calendar widget and not rely on GtkCalendar" as the gtk calendar is causing most of the difficulties with keyboard navigation, focus and interaction
[10:41] <mpt> klattimer, I agree that a new calendar widget (or at least, calendar code plugged into IDO grid layout) would potentially fix many bugs
[10:42] <klattimer> as far as I can tell, I'm just yak shaving trying to find a solution to some of these with the current widget
[10:42] <mpt> klattimer, I generally find though that bug reports describing solutions are risky. A new calendar widget may fix all those bugs, but it might leave one or two of them unfixed initially.
[10:42] <klattimer> true
[10:43] <klattimer> well, how about I create a new bug report, and reference all of the sub bugs?
[10:43] <mpt> Bug reports centered around solutions, I mean (describing a solution is fine)
[10:43] <klattimer> right
[10:45] <mpt> I'll be delighted to review the existing bug reports when you publish a branch with the new widget. :-)
[10:48] <apinheiro> njpatel, you here?
[10:48] <apinheiro> rodrigo has just approved one of my branches
[10:48] <apinheiro> njpatel, can I merge it, or we are out of the deadline?
[10:56] <njpatel> apinheiro, merge it
[10:56] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok, thanks
[12:11] <dbarth> apinheiro: ping?
[12:12] <dbarth> rodrigo_: ping as well?
[12:12] <rodrigo_> dbarth, pong
[12:12] <dbarth> have you guys seen luke's email with the issues he still mentions
[12:12] <rodrigo_> yes, was looking at it
[12:12] <dbarth> Bug #740698 for example
[12:12] <dbarth> or a slew of missing indicators description like Bug #740723
[12:13] <rodrigo_> dbarth, yes, luke's doing the indicators branches, afaik, isn't he?
[12:13] <apinheiro> dbarth, here
[12:14] <apinheiro> dbarth, about the quicklist, as I said in my answer
[12:14] <apinheiro> we knew that from a lot time ago
[12:14] <apinheiro> but we focused on launcher
[12:14] <apinheiro> and now in the dash
[12:14] <apinheiro> to get something
[12:14] <apinheiro> at least the alt+f2 dialog
[12:14] <apinheiro> with something meaningful
[12:44] <artfwo> could anyone reopen bug 709461? I tried to, but all the statuses are disabled for me, weird
[13:25] <lamalex> njpatel, the new multimonitor menubar is awesome!
[13:29] <kenvandine> lamalex, it really is... makes me want to go buy a second monitor so i can use it full time :)
[13:29] <lamalex> I need to find my mouse now
[13:29] <lamalex> touchpad across a massive monitor is not so good
[13:30] <lamalex> I think I could use a magic mouse
[13:49] <mariokemper> Hi all, I have added support for static quicklist items to my application. What happens to those entries when the .desktop file is used with other distributions. Are those entries ignored silenty or will they generate any errors?
[13:56] <lamalex> mariokemper, they'll be ignored
[13:57] <mariokemper> ok, thanks
[14:37] <apinheiro> njpatel, you know if jay will be connected today?
[14:43] <njpatel> apinheiro, yep, maybe a little later though
[14:43] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok thanks, anyway, just in case, do you know something about the eventinspector on the windowthread? ;)
[14:44] <njpatel> Heh, sorry, that's out of my skill set :)
[14:51] <njpatel> jaytaoko, apinheiro
[14:51] <njpatel> Have fun :)
[14:51] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, are you around?
[14:51] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, yup
[14:51] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, what's up?
[14:51] <apinheiro> jaytaoko, just a question about the event inspectors
[14:52] <apinheiro> jaytaoko, hi, btw ;)
[14:52] <jaytaoko> apinheiro: hello
[14:52] <apinheiro> on the definition of the eventinspector
[14:52] <apinheiro> the first variable is a nux::Area
[14:52] <apinheiro> so I guess that it is supposed to be the Area receiving the event
[14:52] <apinheiro> but on the call inspector method
[14:52] <apinheiro> it is always NULL
[14:52] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, it's happening again :-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/askubuntu-lens/+bug/742350
[14:52] <apinheiro> not sure if there is something missing
[14:53] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, ugh!
[14:54] <jaytaoko> apinheiro: let me check
[14:54] <apinheiro> jaytaoko, ok, thanks
[14:55] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, i can't look right now, but can you have him confirm he has gir1.2-dee-0.5 = 0.5.16-0ubuntu4
[14:55] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, just a sec, I have the same bug
[14:55] <kenvandine> i know he shows he ran an upgrade
[14:55] <kenvandine> oh you do?
[14:55] <kenvandine> and it was working for your right?
[14:55] <stefano-palazzo> yeah it happend after today's update (in my case, I downloaded a fresh ISO)
[14:56] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, yep the version is 0.5.16-0ubuntu4
[14:57] <jaytaoko> apinheiro: yes, the Area is null, I am not quite sure why I added it
[14:58] <stefano-palazzo> sorry to keep bugging you with this, the package must be cursed (:
[14:58] <jaytaoko> apinheiro: can you use it with the area being Null?
[14:58] <apinheiro> jaytaoko, yes, in fact Im using it for the key events
[14:58] <apinheiro> for that I don't need it
[14:58] <apinheiro> just trying to check if I could use it to get
[14:58] <apinheiro> the event nux_enter_focus
[14:59] <apinheiro> and the area
[14:59] <apinheiro> but no problem
[14:59] <apinheiro> I could do that in other way
[14:59] <jaytaoko> apinheiro: alright, I will try to figured out why I added it
[15:00] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, i see why...
[15:00] <kenvandine> pygobject update yesterday
[15:00] <kenvandine> crap
[15:00]  * kenvandine sighs
[15:01]  * bcurtiswx hands kenvandine a few free coupons for coffee (a.k.a. caffeine)
[15:02] <apinheiro> jaytaoko, ok, thanks
[15:03] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, thx
[15:03] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, i'll get it fixed
[15:07] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, thanks a lot
[15:09] <lamalex> hey jcastro can you fire up skype or mumble and tell me if you experience https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/742530
[15:10] <lamalex> oh even better you're already on skype
[15:10] <jcastro> skype is my windows box
[15:10] <lamalex> ah
[15:10] <jcastro> but I can confirm in mumble
[15:11] <jcastro> happens in skype too, confirming
[15:11] <lamalex> danke
[15:34] <cyphermox_> sladen, ping?
[15:42] <lamalex> hm where is ted
[15:42] <lamalex> he's never around when I have bugs I need to ask him about
[15:46] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, fix for dee and libunity uploaded... thx for pointing that out so fast!
[15:49] <Davidc_3> stefano-palazzo: ping
[15:51] <lamalex> is there a shortcut to initiate window picker for a single application?
[15:58] <stefano-palazzo> I'm here :-)
[15:58] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, awesome! that was quick
[15:58] <stefano-palazzo> Davidc_3, pong
[15:59] <Davidc_3> stefano-palazzo: is your place working with the new python-gobject?
[16:00] <stefano-palazzo> Davidc_3, is that already published? I don't see any updates
[16:01] <Davidc_3> stefano-palazzo: I'm talking about the python-gobject update from last night :)
[16:03] <Davidc_3> 2.28.3-1
[16:03] <stefano-palazzo> Davidc_3, that seems to have broken Dee, which broke my Place
[16:04] <kenvandine> Davidc_3, u just uploaded the fix for Dee and Unity
[16:04] <kenvandine> s/u/i
[16:05] <Davidc_3> stefano-palazzo, kenvandine: oh awesome.
[16:06] <stefano-palazzo> sorry I'm a little preoccupied :-) Yes that problem was discovered rather quickly
[16:10] <Davidc_3> I'm currently having some difficulties with Python, I've never touched anything more than php and bash and my Place needs to deal with a lot of APIs. Where can I find the best Python doc ever? :)
[16:12] <bbigras> Davidc_3: I have no idea, but maybe you could start with http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html . There was also a book 'dive into python' but I'm not sure if it's up-to-date.
[16:14] <stefano-palazzo> Davidc_3, bbigras dive into python is up-to-date, and it's brilliant, if you already know _a_ programming language
[16:15] <bbigras> stefano-palazzo: from this site http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html ? The copyright ends in 2004.
[16:15] <stefano-palazzo> Davidc_3, have a look at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/194812
[16:16] <Davidc_3> bbigras, stefano-palazzo: Thanks, all of your links seem great.
[16:17] <bbigras> stefano-palazzo: oh there's a dive into python 3. and nice link btw. thanks
[16:18] <bbigras> Davidc_3: yw
[16:20] <stefano-palazzo> I love this SO question, it's the first place to look if you want to learn pretty much anything to do with programming
[16:21] <Davidc_3> ATM, I'm not hitting walls and Google APIs are fairly easy to use (thanks to your code stefano-palazzo), but when I try to add others APIs, I'm pretty much running in the dark :)
[16:21] <zniavre> good afternoon > does launcher panel and icons for globalmenu are hardcoded please ?
[16:21] <zniavre> launcher background **
[16:22] <stefano-palazzo> Davidc_3, be careful with the google API, it has hidden dangers :)
[16:23] <Davidc_3> stefano-palazzo, like the TOS?
[16:23] <stefano-palazzo> I've spend a day converting everything to use the StackExchange API instead. They are deprecating this API, and the successor is pretty expensive
[16:23] <stefano-palazzo> Plus _I think_ my code doesn't comply with the ToS
[16:25] <stefano-palazzo> We've also looked into Bing and Yahoo, they're no good either. Bing has an awful contract for you to sign (which doesn't let you do anything with the search results), and yahoo is expensive and unreliable (i.e. they may change their pricing tomorrow)
[16:26] <Davidc_3> I'm using the Books and Images APIs, not the search one, AFAIK I'm still in the TOS lines, I hope.
[16:26] <stefano-palazzo> Oh I think they are fine, it's the search one that they make a lot of money from. You should be okay
[16:27] <stefano-palazzo> you might also want to have a look at the DuckDuckGo.com api. They do a 0-click thing, giving you things like definitions of words, amazon products and lots more
[16:28] <nigelb> stefano-palazzo: hey, got a minute? :)
[16:28] <Davidc_3> DDG api does Amazon? I was hesitating about taking an Amazon key... Hmm. Let's see.
[16:29] <stefano-palazzo> nigelb, kindasorta :) I need to leave in a minute, what's up?
[16:29] <nigelb> stefano-palazzo: For Ubuntu Developer Week, we had this Project Lightning talks, where people would introduce cool project they've done for about 5 to 6 minutes and how folks can help, want to talk about the stackexchange app during the app devel week?
[16:29] <nigelb> (Logs from UDW https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1103/ProjectLightningTalks)
[16:30] <stefano-palazzo> nigelb, yes that would be great!
[16:31] <nigelb> stefano-palazzo: awesme, I'll put you down for it! its on friday 15 apr at 2100 UTC
[16:32] <stefano-palazzo> nigelb, that's fantastic :-)
[16:33] <stefano-palazzo> nigelb, I don't see the 15th of april in the ubuntu wiki, am I looking at the right page?
[16:34] <nigelb> stefano-palazzo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:34] <stefano-palazzo> ah there we are
[16:35] <stefano-palazzo> nigelb, thanks a lot, I'll try to come up with something good (i.e. cram everything into five minutes)
[16:35] <nigelb> stefano-palazzo: you can probably take 7 to 8 minutes :)
[16:35] <stefano-palazzo> looking forward to it
[16:36] <stefano-palazzo> right I really need to go for a bit. see you
[16:36] <nigelb> thanks stefano-palazzo :)
[16:54] <Inkwina> I was wondering if it is possible to have an indicator app written in pygtk with a menu more like that of sound menu instead of simple text entries.
[16:55] <Inkwina> the docs say that GtkMenuItem can have any widget as a child, not just Label, but when I try it all i get is a seperator
[17:18] <lamalex> ronoc, I really like the sound menu for checking what's playing. It's quite nice!
[17:19] <ronoc> lamalex, thanks, looking good now I hope
[17:24] <Daekdroom> Unfortunately the sound menu isn't displaying the album cover for rhythmbox
[17:26] <fta> jcastro, hi, when is the xterm fix supposed to land?
[17:27] <jcastro> fta: not sure
[17:27] <jcastro> didrocks: sam blogged that he fixed an issue with xterms but he just left a patch attached to the bug
[17:28] <jcastro> fta: do you have the bug # handy?
[17:28] <fta> bug 692463
[17:29] <didrocks> jcastro: I think it's in upstream trunk
[17:29] <didrocks> jcastro: anyway, natty is frozen for beta
[17:29] <jcastro> fta: ok so probably the first update after beta
[17:29] <didrocks> right
[17:30] <fta> which package is the patch for? it's not clear to me reading the patch
[17:30] <fta> i want to give it a try locally
[17:31] <didrocks> fta: let me look at the patch
[17:31] <didrocks> fta: this is the main compiz package, so "compiz"
[17:33] <fta> ok, thanks
[17:33] <fta> (good it's not the whole xorg beast)
[17:33] <didrocks> :)
[17:36] <robtaylor> didrocks: smspillaz: hey guys, just to let you know, i'm going to be handing over to aruiz, who's awesome. I decided I'm far too rusty and out of practice...
[17:37] <didrocks> robtaylor: thanks for the work you've done! :)
[17:37] <robtaylor> didrocks: thanks to you for helping out so much :)
[17:37] <didrocks> yw :)
[18:41] <fta> jcastro, \o/
[18:41] <jcastro> fta: I take it worked?
[18:41] <fta> yep
[18:45] <jcastro> kenvandine: jono can't get the AU lens to work, I am suspecting this dee/GI thing again
[18:46] <fta> jcastro, looking at the patch, it was a more general issue than just xterms. windows geometry seemed broken.
[18:46] <jcastro> jono: in a terminal try: /usr/lib/unity-place-askubuntu/unity-askubuntu-daemon
[18:47] <jcastro> and tell me what happens
[18:47] <jono> jono@forge:~$ /usr/lib/unity-place-askubuntu/unity-askubuntu-daemon
[18:47] <jono> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Unity
[18:47] <jono> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:47] <jono>   File "/usr/lib/unity-place-askubuntu/unity-askubuntu-daemon", line 28, in <module>
[18:47] <jono>     from gi.repository import Unity
[18:47] <jono> ImportError: cannot import name Unity
[18:47] <jono> jono@forge:~$
[18:47] <jcastro> aha, same issue we had before
[18:48] <jono> I might not have got the new dee yet
[18:49] <jono> jcastro, is the package called dee or libdee?
[18:49] <jcastro> I am trying to figure that out
[18:50] <jono> np
[18:50] <jcastro> Binary: libdee-1.0-1 libdee-dev libdee-1.0-1-dbg libdee-doc gir1.2-dee-0.5
[18:50] <jcastro> the source package is "dee"
[18:50] <jcastro> dpkg -l libdee-1.0-0
[18:50] <jcastro> what version does that show?
[18:51] <stefano-palazzo_> Huh, I've never seen this error
[18:51] <jono> I just installed libdee
[18:52] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: it's a packaging bug kenvandine fixed earlier today
[18:52] <jono> No packages found matching libdee-1.0-0.
[18:52] <jcastro> oh dude
[18:52] <jcastro> here it is
[18:52] <jcastro> dpkg -l libdee-1.0-1
[18:53] <jono> ii  libdee-1.0-1   0.5.16-0ubuntu model to synchronize mutiple instances over
[18:54] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, I see. That bug presented completely differently on my (and the bug reporters') machines
[18:54] <jcastro> jono: it seems to have truncated the version after the "ubuntu" part of the version
[18:54] <jcastro> 0.5.16-0ubuntu5 is what I have
[18:55] <jono> how do I find that out if it is trucating it
[18:55] <jono> let me check in my cache
[18:55] <jono> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  49738 2011-03-25 09:05 libdee-1.0-1_0.5.16-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[18:55] <jcastro> because there's supposed to be a number after "ubuntu" in the version string
[18:56] <jcastro> hmm
[18:56] <jono> maybe I should reinstall the PPA package
[18:56] <jcastro> k
[18:56] <jcastro> kenvandine will know how to fix it, he can fix anything!
[18:58] <jono> brb testing
[18:58] <jcastro> jono: I take it you don't have the icon on the launcher?
[18:58] <jono> jcastro, I do
[19:00] <jono> jcastro, it throws a crash dialog for the daemon
[19:00] <jono> but then won't allow me to file it
[19:00] <jcastro> right
[19:00] <jono> and doesnt tell me any debugging info, which is not useful
[19:01] <jcastro> the error you are getting is it trying to run that daemon which I had you run in a terminal before
[19:01] <jono> I had a few different binaries for the unity-place-askubuntu
[19:01] <stefano-palazzo_> jono, you can get the errors by manually running it in a terminal:
[19:01] <stefano-palazzo_> /usr/lib/unity-place-askubuntu/unity-askubuntu-daemon
[19:01] <jono> I removed the packages and reinstalled
[19:01] <jono> jono@forge:~$ /usr/lib/unity-place-askubuntu/unity-askubuntu-daemon
[19:01] <jono> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Unity
[19:01] <jono> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:01] <jono>   File "/usr/lib/unity-place-askubuntu/unity-askubuntu-daemon", line 28, in <module>
[19:01] <jono>     from gi.repository import Unity
[19:01] <jono> ImportError: cannot import name Unity
[19:01] <jono> looks like the libgi-dee might be broken
[19:02] <jono> libgir, rather
[19:02] <jcastro> as soon as ken is online I'll poke him
[19:02] <jono> Version: 0.5.16-0ubuntu5
[19:03] <jono> for gir1.2-dee-0.5
[19:03] <jono> thanks jcastro
[19:03] <jcastro> this morning he was like "hey so the gir/dee thing was all broken but I fixed it"
[19:04] <jono> right
[19:04]  * jcastro luckily is still on the same session from yesterday
[19:04] <jcastro> I wonder if I restart if it will break my place
[19:05] <stefano-palazzo_> Is there another bug report? This was this morning's:
[19:05] <stefano-palazzo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/askubuntu-lens/+bug/742350
[19:05] <stefano-palazzo_> (not the one you're having)
[19:05] <jcastro> jono: fyi here's my file list: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/585548/
[19:06] <jcastro> I've had that gi.repository import Unity error before
[19:07] <jcastro> though it doesn't make sense that it would work for us and not him
[19:07] <jcastro> let me try it on my laptop, I never installed local stuff there
[19:07] <stefano-palazzo_> Okay that sounds better. I was thinking maybe it's something totally unrelated
[19:16] <jono> jcastro, looks the same as mine
[19:42] <LLStarks> bug 742720, mushihime-sama
[19:43] <bbigras> I reported bug 742610 this morning about Unity
[19:44] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: works fine on my laptop, and ken says he tested it on 3 seperate machines, must be some other issue
[19:46] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, sounds about right, If the package was broken it shouldn't work on my machine either
[19:46] <stefano-palazzo_> "Cannot import Unity" sounds pretty weird too :)
[19:46] <LLStarks> jcastro, i can't alt-sysreq-k after compiz crashes. my lvds turns funky colors and i then need to restart.
[19:47] <jcastro> ouch
[19:47] <kenvandine> does he have gir1.2-unity-3.0 installed?
[19:47] <jcastro> jono: ^
[19:47] <carlos2> Typo at   http://unity.ubuntu.com/about/  "A powerful desktop and netbook environment things brings consistency and elegance to the Ubuntu experience."
[19:48] <LLStarks> i've seen it in the past with compiz, but now it happens upon any unity crash that i can't restart unity from using an open and focused nautilus window.
[19:48] <jono> kenvandine, nope installing now
[19:48] <kenvandine> ok
[19:48] <jono> brb relogging in
[19:48]  * kenvandine adds the deps
[19:48] <kenvandine> i guess the python deps aren't discovered
[19:48] <kenvandine> for gir
[19:50] <jono> it works! :-)
[19:50] <jono> nice :-)
[19:50] <jono> thanks kenvandine
[19:50] <jono> thanks jcastro, stefano-palazzo_
[19:50] <stefano-palazzo_> phew :)
[19:51] <jcastro> maybe we should add a dependancy on the place?
[19:52] <jcastro> jono: ok so just search for something in the dash or the place and it should work
[19:52] <jcastro> like "unity keyboard shortcuts"
[19:52] <jono> jcastro, cool :-)
[19:52] <jono> wow, it is *fast*
[19:52] <jcastro> yeah
[19:53] <jcastro> unfortunately that google API is deprecated
[19:53] <jcastro> so we'll have to use something else
[19:53] <stefano-palazzo_> jono, if you right click the launcher, select users and type "jono", you'll notice something is missing ;-)
[19:54] <LLStarks> bug 742726, mushihime-sama
[19:56] <kenvandine> jcastro, i added the dep
[19:56] <kenvandine> committing now
[19:57] <jcastro> thanks kenvandine
[19:58] <stefano-palazzo_> oh jcastro did you get a chance to the the ungooglyfied version?
[19:58] <kenvandine> jcastro, please update the daily builds recipe to use lp:~ken-vandine/askubuntu-lens/packaging
[19:59] <kenvandine> i think we are finally past the project rename fallout :)
[19:59] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: I can check it now actually, let me update the recipe and ppa
[19:59] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: anything to commit to trunk before I fire off a build?
[19:59] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, nope, all is well
[20:00] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/askubuntu-lens/+bug/741861
[20:00] <jono> stefano-palazzo_, :-)
[20:00] <jcastro> is this a lens' job to do that or is that the dash itself?
[20:01] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, not a clue. It could be either. I suppose kamstrup or kenvandine know more?
[20:01] <kenvandine> good question
[20:01] <kenvandine> i don't know how it orders it
[20:01] <stefano-palazzo_> also, it's very hard to reproduce, most of the time it works fine. maybe it has to do with how fast results are returned
[20:01] <jcastro> yeah
[20:01] <jcastro> like, imagine if you had 5 lenses installed
[20:02] <kenvandine> ugh
[20:02] <jcastro> the normal dash would become a mess
[20:02] <kenvandine> i think the dash should have a pretty well defined list of priorities
[20:02] <kenvandine> although...
[20:02] <jcastro> right
[20:02] <kenvandine> it would be cool if it was smart
[20:02] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: oh cool you landed gravatar support
[20:03] <kenvandine> like usually jorge selects a result from askubuntu lense when he searches
[20:03] <kenvandine> so over time give you those first
[20:03] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, yeah, I did that in an hour or something, really stellar work by the places api people
[20:03] <kenvandine> but if i usually select gwibber posts from the gwibber lense
[20:03] <jcastro> rock and roll
[20:03] <kenvandine> those bubble up for me
[20:03] <kenvandine> and if someone else clicks on the application launchers most of the time those bubble to the top
[20:04]  * kenvandine is probably dreaming too big :)
[20:04] <kenvandine> but hey, that is what i do :)
[20:06] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, you will notice, the non-google version is pretty slow (it's close to unusable from my perfectionist perspective). I really need to think of something clever to make that work. It takes more than a second. But let me know if you have any thoughts anyway. It does some things differently
[20:12] <c10ud> jcastro, this is the wrong place et. al. but i recently run into #402814 and seems like other projects did. i just wanted to ask if you could have some influence on the lp guys and help app devs out :)
[20:13] <jcastro> c10ud: it's a high priority thing that I've brought up a bunch of times
[20:13] <c10ud> i wouldn't normally spam this channel, but it's has been two damn years, and we just need not to except, no need for handling the submodule
[20:13] <jcastro> they're working on it unfortunately it wasn't as simple as I thought it would be
[20:13] <jcastro> right, which means without imports we can't do easy daily builds
[20:14] <c10ud> i tried in the lp-dev channel, but they were very quiet (no response)
[20:14] <c10ud> you know, it's not a big deal.. but the recipe feature is really cool and we wanted to try it out :)
[20:14] <jcastro> I whine about it on a cron-like basis
[20:14] <c10ud> (especially when there's some good guy running his ppa-creation script by hand from his own box hehe)
[20:16] <c10ud> if i remove the git submodule, $some_hardcore_distro guys won't be happy, if you could tell the devs yet-another-time "please just import without the submodule.. don't throw a failing exception" i would be happy
[20:16] <c10ud> lol
[20:17] <c10ud> thanks for your time and sorry for the offtopic
[20:26] <jcastro> c10ud: well, at least we got the me menu support in for natty at least, heh
[20:27] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: do you have anything to commit today? It seems I can't just rebuild with a change in the packaging branch, lp wants a higher revision than 19. :-/
[20:27] <stefano-palazzo_> hehe, sure give me a second
[20:27] <stefano-palazzo_> we're at 19, right?
[20:28] <jcastro> yeah
[20:29] <c10ud> yeah that's great, but i found out ayatana devs to be usually friendlier than most of the category (i submitted a patch for changing icon paths for indicators from python, and was promptly accepted:))
[20:29] <Omega> I wonder, is there a way to blacklist folders from the dash?
[20:29] <Omega> (maybe only hidden folders?)
[20:29] <lamalex> c10ud, good to hear!
[20:29] <stefano-palazzo_> I'll clean up the code to comply with pep8 guidelines
[20:29] <jcastro> Omega: yeah there's a blacklist in zeitgeist
[20:29] <c10ud> :D
[20:30] <Omega> jcastro: Oh, cool, I thought that only worked for activity journal though.
[20:31] <jcastro> well I added things to the activity journal blacklist
[20:31] <jcastro> and it stopped showing up in my dash
[20:31] <Omega> Awesome!
[20:31] <stefano-palazzo_> jcastro, okay all done
[20:32]  * jcastro clicks a button
[20:45] <Omega> jcastro: How does the blacklist work?
[20:45] <Omega> Do you add folder paths?
[20:47] <jcastro> yeah
[20:47] <jcastro> I add like file:///path/to/folder
[20:47] <nmarques> kenvandine, LP#742760
[20:47] <nmarques> kenvandine, patch attached ;)
[20:47] <kenvandine> nmarques, woot
[20:48] <kenvandine> bug 742760
[20:48] <kenvandine> nmarques, i love patches
[20:48] <nmarques> kenvandine, it was probably a glitch ;)
[20:48] <nmarques> or a tipo
[20:48] <kenvandine> knowing me, a typo
[20:48]  * kenvandine looks
[20:49] <kenvandine> nmarques, probably an oversight
[20:50] <kenvandine> nmarques, how current are all of your packages?
[20:50] <kenvandine> the past couple of weeks have fixed tons of bugs
[20:50] <Omega> jcastro: With wildcards?
[20:50] <nmarques> kenvandine, including all the updates till yesterday ;)
[20:50] <kenvandine> nmarques, excellent
[20:50] <nmarques> kenvandine, for the indicator stack
[20:50] <jcastro> Omega: not sure, I'm not very zeitgeist proficient I'm afraid
[20:50] <kenvandine> we are in beta freeze, so don't expect  much before the end of next week
[20:51] <kenvandine> nmarques, so you should be in good shape
[20:51] <Omega> jcastro: It seems to work with wildcards :)
[20:51] <nmarques> kenvandine, you guys doing awesome job :)
[20:51] <jcastro> oh nice!
[20:51] <kenvandine> thx
[20:51] <nmarques> kenvandine, our official repository is being populated with the latest packages
[20:52] <nmarques> kenvandine, gonna release it within a few days :)
[20:52] <kenvandine> official? like the opensuse repos?
[20:52] <nmarques> https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=GNOME:Ayatana
[20:52] <nmarques> it's a part of our GNOME Team projects :)
[20:53] <nmarques> the main problem to make it available on the distro relies on the GTK2 package
[20:54] <kenvandine> yeah :(
[20:54] <nmarques> not making politial comments on that
[20:54] <nmarques> just that I find it sad :/ my vision of upstream is that they should be as feature rich as possible
[20:55] <nmarques> it's their game... I'm happy I can at least make this options available to our users :)
[20:55] <nmarques> I have already prepared a GNOME2 Spin with this indicators by default and some other candies
[20:56] <kenvandine> great
[20:56] <kenvandine> nmarques, thanks for all that effort, we really appreciate it
[20:57] <nmarques> would you guys be available for a email interview? Would canonical allow it? if so, whats the right procedures ?
[20:57] <nmarques> mainly focusing the indicators and their relation with user experience :)
[20:57] <seiflotfy> Omega, how can i help
[20:58] <seiflotfy> please come to #zeitgeist
[20:58] <seiflotfy> we will help you there
[20:58] <kenvandine> nmarques, interview for what?
[20:58] <kenvandine> i think tedg would be the best person for that
[20:58] <nmarques> kenvandine, a bit on the story on the indicators so I can include it on the release materials about this repository
[20:58] <nmarques> kenvandine, because it's a repo only based on your work :)
[20:58] <kenvandine> tedg definitely then
[21:01] <nmarques> kenvandine, I will send him a few questions and leave it for you appreciation. Gonna be published on news.opensuse.org and on the project wiki page... alongside with a 'thank you' message to your Team for the help you guys have given me so far. And so that everyone is aware, I never had a question unanswered from you side, and this is quite important for me.
[21:03] <kenvandine> nmarques, awesome :)
[21:03] <jcastro> that'd be awesome
[21:03] <nmarques> gotta run :) weekend and girlfriend to please ;)
[21:03] <nmarques> guys, once more, a huge thank you for all the help
[21:04] <jcastro> thanks for your work nmarques!
[21:04] <nmarques> jcastro, I am the one who is pleased with your commitment ;)
[21:05] <nmarques> jcastro, differentiation and innovation are important... all the grunting and ranting from others isn't shared by me and by many users, never forget that!
[21:05] <nmarques> peace
[21:05]  * kenvandine waves to nmarques
[21:13] <bcurtiswx> is there a way to minimize all open windows? cntrl+alt+d ?
[21:15] <bcurtiswx> ah, super D
[21:15] <bcurtiswx> but it crashed my compiz
[21:17] <bcurtiswx> woo crash file !
[21:17] <bcurtiswx> now i can apport that file right.. like apport _usr_bin_compiz....
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> ah, seems it's similar to the alt+tab crash, but i did it with super+d
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> do I need to report or are there already enough bugs for that crash?
[21:32] <bcurtiswx> ah ha, found the bug
[21:32] <bcurtiswx> nvm, thanks for the help ;)
[23:12] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo_: hey if you want to use a real API a launchpad lens would be amazing.
[23:13] <jcastro> my efforts to convince launchpadders to make one haven't been fruitful, they're all too busy, heh
[23:23] <fta> is there a pref somewhere to make the dashes bigger? they are taking less than 25% of my screen