[00:25] good morning :) [00:39] why my kde is not supporting transparent screens? [00:44] Riddell: ping [00:59] c2tarun: drivers? [00:59] Daskreech: I think I have ATI Radeon graphic card and its driver is installed [01:01] Daskreech: I have ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver installed, I am using KDE 4.5.1 [07:30] morning [07:39] lovely http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2011/03/qt-quick-and-qml.html === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 1 bugs http://goo.gl/23eui | Meeting Tuesday 29th 19:00UTC === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:14] Riddell: ping [13:14] hi c2tarun [13:15] hi Riddell :) I packed newer version of cb2bib, its a kde apps. can you please upload it? [13:16] c2tarun: we're in feature freeze and beta freeze just now, so the question is does it have new features? [13:18] Riddell: I dont think, because in CHANGELOG there is just one entry 2011-03-21 "Fixed build error, set explicit X11 (Thanks to F. Rusconi, J. Corneli, and A. Wintcher)" [13:19] * c2tarun so no question of uploading newer version :/ [13:19] Riddell: is there anyother work left? [13:19] c2tarun: fixing bugs is good, however we're in beta freeze so it can't be uploaded until next week [13:20] Riddell: is there anyother work left? [13:20] I think anyway [13:20] oh no, universe should be fine if I read the beta freeze announce right [13:20] c2tarun: so groovy, give me the package and I'll take a look and upload [13:21] c2tarun: there is that new ktorrent version you started on [13:21] Riddell: how can I give you the package? [13:21] Riddell: I started on your ec2 but encountered few errors, I poked you to look but you missed :) [13:21] c2tarun: file a bug and attach. upload to revu. put it on online storage somewhere. [13:22] Riddell: I tried filing a bug thats not possible I'll upload the required files, just give a second [13:23] Riddell: can I upload it to my ppa? will it be ook? [13:25] c2tarun: yes that's fine [13:31] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun/+archive/new-versions/+packages [13:36] c2tarun: looks good, have you checked that it compiles and runs? [13:36] Riddell: yup [13:38] c2tarun: your changelog isn't clear, it should say why the patch has been dropped, I'll add in "now upstream" [13:38] Riddell: ok, sorry, how can I change it directly in the ppa? [13:39] c2tarun: you can't, you would need to delete it from the PPA, change it and reupload [13:39] c2tarun: I'll just make the change, easier that way :) [13:39] Riddell: ok [13:39] Riddell: thanks :) [13:48] Riddell: can you please setup a natty ec2 for me now? [13:52] can anyone please help me with this error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/in.archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_partner_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) I am getting this error while running build-dep for ktorrent [13:53] c2tarun: ok [13:53] run sudo apt-get update [13:53] Riddell: tried, nnothing happening :( update is failing for some links [13:53] * apachelogger does not think canonical partner gets populated until release === apachelogger is now known as releaselogger [13:54] releaselogger: it gets populated when I'm told to do so, but I don't know if it'll be much used for natty, they should use the software centre stuff instead [13:55] c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-184-73-132-66.compute-1.amazonaws.com [13:55] Riddell: k ^^ [14:00] n [14:10] Riddell: ktorrent build failed, can you please take a look at this error http://paste.kde.org/8094/ [14:11] ../../libktcore/dbus/dbustorrentfilestream.h:26:39: fatal error: torrent/torrentfilestream.h: No such file or directory [14:12] !find torrentfilestream.h [14:12] Package/file torrentfilestream.h does not exist in maverick [14:12] !find torrentfilestream.h natty [14:12] Package/file torrentfilestream.h does not exist in natty [14:12] means someone missed a new file in libktorrent [14:13] there is no torrent folder in dbus folder. [14:14] c2tarun: there ya go : https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/libktorrent/repository/revisions/master/changes/src/torrent/torrentfilestream.h [14:16] shadeslayer: that may work, how did you figure it out? [14:17] c2tarun: calculated guesswork [14:19] shadeslayer: the tarball on that page is something else. but I think I should include file torrentstre*.h in dbus/torrent folder manually. here is the content I will write in that file https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/libktorrent/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/torrent/torrentfilestream.h [14:20] what no [14:20] then? [14:20] c2tarun: you need to package the new libktorrent [14:20] and then include it as a build dep with new ktorrent [14:21] c2tarun: why would you want to do what you just said? :O [14:21] shadeslayer: because I just thought that file is missing in source code :/ [14:22] hehe .. nope, package the new libktorrent and include that file in the packaging [14:24] shadeslayer: I am still not getting what do you mean? because that tarball has on *.sh file with just these four lines http://paste.kde.org/8095/ [14:26] /s/on/one/ [14:26] s/on/one/ [14:26] c2tarun meant: "/s/one/one/" [14:27] dude [14:28] c2tarun: is that all the tarball contains? O_O [14:28] yep :/ [14:28] where did you download it from? [14:28] shadeslayer: wget -c http://anongit.kde.org/libktorrent/libktorrent-latest.tar.gz [14:28] eh [14:28] wrong! [14:29] shadeslayer: sorry, I have to run that .sh [14:29] c2tarun: you need http://ktorrent.org/downloads/4.1.0/libktorrent-1.1.0.tar.bz2 [14:29] no [14:29] c2tarun: you have the wrong tarball [14:32] c2tarun: did you download the wrong ktorrent tarball as well? [14:32] download the one from ktorrent.org [14:32] * c2tarun downloading [14:35] shadeslayer: ok, I got the correct tarball, what should I do now, grab its older version and pack the newer version? and then? [14:36] uh .. what? [14:37] shadeslayer: I got the tarball of libktorrent's newer version, for packing it I need a debian folder. where can I get that. [14:37] c2tarun: from the older one in natty [14:38] be sure to include new files and stuff [14:38] shadeslayer: ok, what after packing it? [14:40] shadeslayer: I guess first I have to put libktorrent into archives. for packing ktorrent I'll install this libktorrent and then I'll pack it. [14:40] yep [14:40] first you upload libktorrent and then ktorrent [14:41] you can put libktorrent into a ppa, make the pbuilder or whatever you are using depend on that and then test build it [14:52] shadeslayer: what is this error: http://paste.kde.org/8098/ [14:54] c2tarun: libgcrypt is found ? [14:55] apparently not, paste the full log [14:56] bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/585428/ [14:57] -- Could not find libgcrypt includes. [14:57] -- Could not find libgcrypt library. [14:57] ;) [14:57] missing dependency ? [14:59] bambee: how come? there is no mssg for unmet-dependency [15:02] c2tarun: : gcrypt is a required or an optional dependency for libktorrent ? [15:02] bambee: there is no package named gcrypt :/ [15:03] I mean libgcrypt [15:04] !find libgcrypt [15:04] Found: libgcrypt11, libgcrypt11-dbg, libgcrypt11-dev, libgcrypt11-doc [15:06] when I say libgcrypt I talk about the package which contains the gcrypt library :) [15:09] bug 742377 [15:09] Launchpad bug 742377 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Karmic) "blacklist fake Comodo SSL certificates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742377 [15:10] Riddell: don't we have a patch against that now? [15:11] shadeslayer: yes, the bug contains the debdiffs [15:11] neato :D [15:11] the internet is ... *very* slow here [15:11] ~6KBps [15:15] shadeslayer: 2 MB/s here :P [15:15] ... [15:16] bambee: they have something called Fair Usage policy here ... my speed drops to 30KBps after i download more than 10 GB [15:16] and since i have 3 computers in the house right now .... you can imagine the speeds [15:16] bambee: I installed libgcrypt11-dev and building progressed, should I include it in Build-Depends [15:16] i wish they implement Content Centric networks soon [15:16] shadeslayer: ohhh, I did not know that [15:16] * bambee hides [15:20] I installed libgcrypt11-dev and building progressed, should I include it in Build-Depends [15:26] Riddell: Are you available to do the Kubuntu report at the release meeting? [15:26] ScottK: yes, although I don't have much to say [15:26] anything I should include? [15:27] I'd mention that Qt is currently building with a security fix that it's good we got in beta 1. [15:27] Probably worth mentioning when 4.6.2 is expected. [15:27] (I had thought it was due today) [15:28] can anyone please look at this error http://paste.kde.org/8102/ [15:29] c2tarun: line 18 [15:29] what do you understand from that? [15:30] I installed libktorrent2 and libktorrent-dbg still getting that error. [15:30] anybody knows when the ubuntu-monospace font will be released? [15:30] shadeslayer: ^^ [15:30] hi afiestas, am I right in thinking we want libbluedevil 1.8.1 in natty and to wait for bluedevil 1.1? [15:31] Riddell: In natty we want 1.9 probably and bluedevil 1.1 [15:31] afiestas: the font doesn't tend to have a public release schedule, usually they try to squeeze it in when it's far too late, ask sladen if you want access to the reponsitory for testing [15:31] I'm right now smashing the lasts bugs in both sides (lib and wizard) and that should be it [15:32] Riddell: oks, thanks [15:35] shadeslayer: ping [15:44] c2tarun: you need to understand *what* is giving that error [15:45] having libktorrent installed isn't going to fix this [15:45] yofel: one thing I dont understand is what does this location mean? debian/tmp/usr/lib/ [15:46] c2tarun: well, debian/tmp/ is where the package management installes the files in during build [15:47] yofel: so this means that I also have to add libgcrypt11-dev into Build-depends and then continue building? [15:47] I don't see gcrypt in that error anywhere, why do you think so? [15:48] c2tarun: you didn't understand what gives that error [15:48] yofel: nope, that was an error I got earlier, so I installed libgcrypt11-dev and then continue the build [15:48] the *build* itself went fine, debuild is already past that [15:48] what fails is shown in line 19 [15:48] dh_install [15:49] so it already ran make, make install installed the files in debian/tmp/usr, now dh_install tries to install the files into the different packages [15:49] *that* fails [15:49] since debian/tmp/usr/lib/libktorrent.so.2 wasn't installed during build [15:50] your log doesn't show why that's the case though [15:50] yofel: I think I am getting little bit, let me check that again [15:51] c2tarun: also remember that dh_install gets the list of files it's supposed to install from the install files [15:51] for now you need to find out what happened to libktorrent.so.2 [15:52] c2tarun: if you run debuild, you should still have the debian/tmp/ folder [15:52] check what the contents of debian/tmp/usr/lib are [15:55] are there things to do this week end ? [15:57] yofel: I looked into CMakeLists.txt files of previous version there is nothing like libktorrent.so.2 + libktorrent2.install file is responsible for its installation and it is there. :( I can't figure out what is the prob :( [15:58] c2tarun: what are the contents of debian/tmp/usr/lib ? [15:58] if it's a new version, it might be they bumped the so-version [15:58] so it might be libktorrent.so.3 now, not 2 [15:58] that's what I would look for first [15:59] also, your full build log should have the output of make install [15:59] you can look at that to see what it actually installed [15:59] yofel: oh yup there is a libktorrent.so.3 [15:59] see, issue found [15:59] yofel: so what should I do? first I'll update the libktorrent2.install file. then? [16:00] no, that's a major version, so you need to rename the package too from libktorrent2 -> libktorrent3 [16:00] update the install file then [16:01] yofel: well the package name is libktorrent only. [16:01] c2tarun: not the *binary* package [16:01] hm.... [16:01] wait a moment [16:01] sorry :( not getting exactly [16:01] Riddell: there's a libktorrent 1.1.0-1 package in debian/experimental, maybe we should use that? [16:02] c2tarun: well, what is the package named in debian/control? and why is the install file named libktorrent2.install, not libktorrent.install ? [16:03] c2tarun: you really should read the shared-library packaging part in the debian policy [16:03] yofel: let me look for it. [16:03] the policy is long, but it helps a lot to understand this complex thing called dpkg [16:04] c2tarun: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - we also have a pdf version in the archive [16:04] yofel: that would seem sensible [16:04] yofel: you read this whole? :( [16:04] c2tarun: I did [16:05] yofel: its an epic :( [16:05] c2tarun: just shows how complex packaging can get, but it explains most things quite well [16:05] * c2tarun reading [16:06] c2tarun: as for libktorrent, debian already packaged that, so you should rather file a sync request and coordinate with Riddell about the FFE [16:06] same for ktorrent [16:11] bbl === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [16:15] yofel: well it's not certain we want this is natty yet, so a manual sync to a PPA would be the way to start [16:26] yofel: where is the pdf version? I think of getting a hard copy and then read [17:12] Riddell: Did you see the update on the SSL situation on KDE packagers? [17:15] ScottK: yes, I'll do that now [17:16] remind me never to work in security, it's so slow and tedious doing the same thing 5 times [17:18] Does this affect Qt3? [17:18] It's in Main for a number of supported releases. [17:23] I don't think Qt 3 does ssl [17:24] it was previously in QCA which as Rich says means apps using that need to be patched individually [17:27] ouch ^^ [17:27] Riddell: Looks like you're right (Qt3 doesn't build-dep on anything SSL like) [17:29] gosh, a Tonio_ [17:29] Really? [17:29] Hello Tonio_. [17:30] hi guys :) [17:30] Riddell: ouch, doing the same type of patch to /every/ app with the SSL problem? [17:31] Just the ones that use QCA. [17:40] QCA2 has a TLS class so it probably needs to be fixed as well [17:44] that Ahmadinejad guy knows how to annoy people [17:44] Hello. Can anyone tell me how to get the developer version of KDevelop on Kubuntu, please? [17:44] although it's really Comodo who should be taken to ask, how on earth do they allow an account to create certificates for domains own by entirely different companties [17:45] Furkan: what do you mean by developer version? [17:45] And this isn't the first time, apparently. [17:45] (for Comodo) [17:45] Riddell: The latest version fro git. [17:45] you install KDevelop through System Settings -> Software Management same as anything else [17:45] clearly it is time for skynet and the rise of the machines [17:45] humans break everything [17:45] I don't think we have daily builds of kdevelop [17:46] not yet ^^ [17:46] i suggested [17:46] shadeslayer: why not? [17:46] neon is slow.... :P [17:46] but the thing is space and efforts... [17:46] shadeslayer, ^^ [17:46] releaselogger: i was referring to KDevelop [17:46] it is slow. [17:46] shadeslayer: I know [17:46] uh .. okay .. [17:46] there is no doubt the machines should be in charge [17:46] feel free to put in improvements [17:46] :D [17:47] Riddell: OK. Thanks. I think I'll compile it. [17:47] only earlier today I had a chat about what a perfect AI would look like [17:47] conceptually [17:47] releaselogger: i hope it doesn't look anything like your circle? [17:47] s/?/! [17:47] actually it does [17:47] okay, we are doomed then [17:48] pretty much not what currently thoughts on AIs look like [17:48] tazz: routing is completely shot here [17:48] rdieter: Riddell: btw, phonon 4.5.0 on ktown [17:49] here as in India [17:49] backends arriving within the next couple of days [17:49] releaselogger: what's new? [17:49] cant do much about it. [17:49] yeah .. :( [17:50] Riddell: zeitgeist support, qt designer plugin, ground work for 100% reliable url encoding in backends, ground work for 100% reliable streaming from a QIODevice, DVD menu support [17:50] latter is to be implemented in upcoming phonon-gstreamer release [17:51] vlc backend will have to wait for vlc 1.2 :/ [17:53] yofel: ping :( [17:53] oh [17:53] Riddell: and phonon-demos [17:57] Riddell: it will take me weeks in reading the debian policy manual completely :( meanwhile can you please help me with ktorrent error? [17:57] c2tarun: what's the error? [17:58] JontheEchidna: what do you make of bug 515138 comment 13? [17:58] Launchpad bug 515138 in kdelibs "kded4 (lucid, amd64) defunct on latop" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515138 [17:59] it require new version of libktorrent which on building give this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/585506/ [17:59] Riddell: ^^ [18:00] Riddell: distupgradeevent is not compiled [18:00] c2tarun: probably libktorrent has a new .so version, what's in debian/tmp/usr/lib/ ? [18:00] c2tarun: you still didn't get that sorted? :( [18:00] there is libktorrent.so.3 [18:00] shadeslayer: nope :( [18:00] c2tarun: yeah so switch libktorrent.so.2 with libktorrent.so.3 [18:00] in the install files [18:01] you'll also need to change the name of the package [18:01] and add breaks/replaces [18:01] shadeslayer: Why? [18:01] ScottK: so version bumps require those .. right? [18:01] shadeslayer: Why? [18:02] or can the 2 libs remain in the system? [18:02] shouldn't need any breaks/replaces if it's just the library in the library package [18:02] * shadeslayer goes to read the debian policy again [18:02] shadeslayer: It only needs that if it provides the same file names, which a proper library packag won't. [18:03] There are exceptions where things aren't split out as much as they should be in theory, but those are exceptions. [18:03] ScottK: in this case, what would happen to libktorrent.so.2 ? [18:03] will it be removed? will it stay there? [18:04] Should be up for autoremoval once nothing depends on it. [18:05] what about this error? http://paste.kde.org/8108/ [18:06] hmm [18:06] should I change all the occurences of liktorren2 to 3 in control file? [18:07] shadeslayer: ^ [18:07] i think so .... [18:07] c2tarun: pastebin the control file please [18:08] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/585514/ [18:08] c2tarun: line 31 needs to be fixed [18:08] line 54 as well [18:09] what about 43 [18:09] shadeslayer: ^ [18:10] yep that too [18:10] hmm .. flash install issues [18:11] shadeslayer: same error [18:15] releaselogger: so instead of spending 3 days banging my head against QGraphicsWebView ... i spent 3 mins and made a new browser in QML [18:15] sensible [18:16] c2tarun: i have no idea [18:16] i'm googling [18:16] * c2tarun :( googling packaging issues?? [18:17] yep [18:17] c2tarun: most error's are googlable [18:17] :P [18:18] shadeslayer: may be I am not smart enough in googling ;) I'll also try [18:18] c2tarun: what's the problem? [18:18] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/8108/ [18:19] c2tarun: probably a debhelper cacheing issue, I'd start the compile over again [18:20] c2tarun: but debian already has a package of this library, better just to take it from there http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/libktorrent [18:21] Riddell: I am compiling, if it didn't work, I'll take debian's [18:21] * c2tarun didn't worked :( taking debians [18:26] Riddell: in order to use the debian's package, what I have to do? downloading the source code, packing it and uploading to a personal ppa and then updating and packing ktorrent? [18:27] the source code about is of libktorrent. [18:28] c2tarun: download it to your machine or the ec2 machine, build the package and install to make sure it all works [18:28] then you can upload the the PPA with a ~ppa1 version number [18:29] to get it into the main archive you would make a sync request, but we don't want to do that until we know we want the new ktorrent in, so PPA only for now [18:35] c2tarun: pong [18:35] yofel: hi :) I was fiddeling with some issues regarding libktorrent so I pinged :) [18:36] yeah, finished reading the backlog now [18:37] yofel: now I am reading debian-policy manual, it will take me at least a week to finish :) [18:38] took me a while too, the problem is that if you plan to continue packaging in the long time you need to know it [18:39] other than that, it's mostly lerning my doing, and reading other people's packages [18:51] Riddell: this debsign is not working debsign ubuntu@ec2-184-73-132-66.compute-1.amazonaws.com:~/libktorrent/libktorrent_1.1~rc1-1ubuntu1~ppa_i386.changes is anything wrong [18:53] Riddell: Qt accepted again. [18:53] c2tarun: what are you wanting to sign it for? [18:53] thanks ScottK [18:53] jussi: i see licensing nightmares [18:53] Riddell: for uploading it to my ppa :/ [18:54] c2tarun: you need to build a source package to upload it [18:56] Riddell: this one is also not working :/ debsign ubuntu@ec2-184-73-132-66.compute-1.amazonaws.com:~/libktorrent/libktorrent_1.1~rc1-0ubuntu1~ppa_source.changes [18:57] c2tarun: I think it needs a -r [18:57] debsign -r ubuntu@... [19:05] Riddell: may be I am doing something wrong, I packed it and signed it and then uploaded it to my personel ppa. then I included that ppa to sources.list and updated but it failed due to gpg not verified. [19:06] c2tarun: If you are signing it in the amazon system then you probably don't have your key available. [19:06] Which means the PPA system won't know about whatever key you managed to sign it with. [19:06] ScottK: true. so what can I do? [19:06] ScottK: he signed it remotely, that's fine [19:06] Riddell: ok. [19:06] c2tarun: Actually that's probably not it. [19:07] but I think ScottK is refering to .gnupg folder in home folder [19:07] c2tarun: if you care about the PPA gpg key you need to import the gpg key manually or use apt-add-repository to do it automatically [19:07] the package won't appear in the PPA instantly, it'll take some minutes for the source to appear then longer for the compiled packages to appear [19:08] c2tarun: when the package appears you receive an email [19:09] bambee: I already got that mail. [19:09] so, wait until build succeeds :) [19:11] w00t "no such slot" message in amarok (for gpodder) :\ [19:15] I got this mail :( http://paste.kde.org/8115/ [19:16] c2tarun: you need to run debuild -S -sa instead of just debuild -S [19:16] that forces the .orig file to be in the .dsc file and get uploaded [19:28] can anyone see the error in this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/arkj11936.uncompressed [19:34] Riddell: [ 50%] make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libX11.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.6.0'. Stop. [19:40] yofel: ah hah [19:41] search for ***, only the make lines have those [19:42] Riddell: Artwork accepted. [19:42] I was searching for "error" [19:42] thanks ScottK [19:48] Riddell: Is there a reason why for the Qt SSL fix you fixed hardy-backports (4.4) and not the main repository (4.3)? [19:53] Riddell: can you please take a look at this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/585575/ [20:11] yofel: if you around please take a look at above error ^^ [20:24] erm... can it be that dh_installs error out on a file in not-installed o.O? [20:24] *errors [20:26] c2tarun: did you add that file to anything? [20:26] or is that the plain build? [20:27] yofel: nope, I did add that file to anything [20:31] I have no idea ™ [20:31] yofel: I installed libktorrent's newer version but didn't changed it's control file version entry,. [20:57] ScottK: I don't know how to upload to -security and I think micahg wants to review it [20:57] Ah. OK. [20:58] Yeah, you can't upload to -security. Forgot about that. [21:05] shadeslayer. yofel: ping [21:05] hm? [21:05] yofel: do you use the Remote tab in Dolphin for browsing remote file systems? [21:06] oh I see now [21:07] erm, what remote tab? ^^ [21:07] http://i.imgur.com/5AurW.png [21:07] ah, that one, works fine for samba here at leats [21:07] *least [21:07] damn [21:08] yofel: can you create a FTP entry which has a space in its name? [21:08] then try deleting it === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger [21:10] Quintasan: worked fine (added "file folder" for ftp.kde.org and deleted the folder after that) [21:10] pics or didnt happen :O [21:10] cant delete "Droid FTP" link here [21:10] points to 192.168.1.14 [21:10] ScottK: I'll review it over the weekend, we'll probably release the fix on Monday [21:11] OK. [21:12] yofel: http://i.imgur.com/KltOy.png [21:12] Quintasan: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/ftp.png [21:13] I see [21:13] You can delete the link from there? [21:13] at my screen shot [21:13] look at the link selected and then at the path [21:13] in the dialog [21:15] Quintasan: I don't quite get how you set that up. [21:15] Nor do I [21:15] I just named it Droid FTP [21:16] now I found WebDAV server which works way better [21:16] and I wanted to remove that FTP entry [21:16] but I can't :O [21:16] well, problem is, I can't even create the entry if I don't know the correct data to connect to id [21:16] s/id/it/ [21:16] yofel meant: "well, problem is, I can't even create the entry if I don't know the correct data to connect to it" [21:17] shut up kubotu [21:17] herp derp [21:17] yofel: do you know what I mean? [21:17] Look the link to the FTP connection is called "Droid FTP" [21:17]