[00:00] <dmkryl> added the -o umask=0022 to fstab
[00:02] <ScorpKing> Daskreech: it could be the mount folder permissions
[00:02] <Daskreech> dmkryl: paste the line from fstab
[00:03] <dmkryl> /dev/sda3                                  /media/sda3  autofs rw,users,-o umask=0022     		    0 0
[00:03] <Daskreech>  /dev/sda3                                  /media/sda3  autofs rw,users,umask=0022        0 0
[00:04] <Daskreech> dmkryl: change it to that
[00:05] <dmkryl> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda3, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail  or so
[00:06] <dmkryl> how do i see what kind of file system the partition have?
[00:06] <Daskreech> dmkryl: Unmount the file system
[00:06] <Daskreech> fdisk -l
[00:06] <Daskreech> sudo that
[00:07] <dmkryl> http://pastebin.com/4M8hBx5G
[00:07] <Daskreech> dmkryl: right. are you sure you don't want /dev/sda4 ?
[00:08] <dmkryl> no that one is already mounted and is the right one
[00:08] <Daskreech> Alright
[00:09] <Daskreech> so did you unmount /dev/sda3 ?
[00:09] <dmkryl> yes
[00:09] <Daskreech> ok sudo mount -t auto -o umask=0022 /dev/sda3 /media/sda3
[00:10] <dmkryl> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda3, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[00:12] <dmkryl> this is the output of df -T
[00:12] <dmkryl> http://pastebin.com/WUtKbDmj
[00:22] <poyntz> is there any way to shrink terminals to the system tray?
[00:22] <Daskreech> dmkryl: try sudo mount -o umask=0022 /dev/sda3 /media/sda3
[00:22] <Daskreech> poyntz: yakuake?
[00:22] <dmkryl> guake
[00:22] <Daskreech> !info yakuake
[00:23] <poyntz> how does it compare to konsole?
[00:23] <dmkryl> no Daskreech it keeps sending me the same mistake...
[00:24] <Daskreech> dmkryl: Ok take out the -o umask=0022 and see what it says
[00:24] <Daskreech> poyntz: it is konsole
[00:24] <dmkryl> it works on root, but doesn't give me access in normal user
[00:25] <Daskreech> dmkryl: ah ok :) hold on I can fix this
[00:32] <Daskreech> dmkryl: try unmount it then just mount it as yourself
[00:32] <Daskreech> without sudo
[00:33] <dmkryl> it works
[00:33] <dmkryl> but i can't access
[00:34] <ScorpKing> dmkryl:  ls -l /media/
[00:34] <Daskreech> dmkryl: Without sudo you cant access it?
[00:35] <dmkryl> drwx------  5 ledah ledah 4096 1969-12-31 19:00 KY
[00:35] <dmkryl> drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root  4096 2011-03-02 01:27 sda2
[00:35] <dmkryl> drwx------ 19  1000 ntfs  4096 2011-03-24 13:33 sda3
[00:35] <dmkryl> drwxrwxrwx  1 root  root  4096 2011-03-24 19:18 sda4
[00:35] <FloodBotK2> dmkryl: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:36] <dmkryl> http://pastebin.com/2fXS56nb
[00:36] <Daskreech> dmkryl: This is from a different computer ?
[00:36] <Daskreech> the partition isn't owned by anyone
[00:37] <Daskreech> dmkryl: try sudo chmod o+rwx /media/sda3
[00:37] <james147> !info ntfs-config
[00:37]  * james147 suggests trying that ^^
[00:38] <Daskreech> james147: sudo fdisk -l suggests that the filesystem is Linux
[00:38] <dmkryl> yes now it works thank you so much
[00:38] <Daskreech> though you know .. could be lying
[00:39] <james147> :S
[00:40] <dmkryl> talked to soon
[00:40] <dmkryl> now it show me the folders
[00:41] <Daskreech> dmkryl: Yes it should
[00:43] <dmkryl> ledah@Sasha:/media/sda3$ cd dosprog bash: cd: dosprog: Permission denied
[00:43] <Daskreech> pastebin ls -l
[00:44] <dmkryl> http://pastebin.com/QBTc160Q
[00:45] <poyntz> Daskreech: I don't understand how yakuake minimizes to the systray
[00:46] <poyntz> also it seems to exit when i change windows..
[00:46] <Daskreech> poyntz: press F12
[00:47] <poyntz> Daskreech: ahh cool. Do you use it?
[00:47] <Daskreech> james147: I don't know if I can hang around for this. You want to look at it?
[00:48]  * james147 should be in bed ^^
[00:48] <Daskreech> Seems to be a NTFS filesystem of some sort but none of the NTFS mount options work on it and it has a strong user lockout on mounting
[00:48] <Daskreech> Ah ok good night
[00:48] <james147> dmkryl: the drived used by any other system?
[00:48] <dmkryl> night and thx
[00:49] <dmkryl> no just linux
[00:49]  * james147 suggests getting the data off it and formatting it as ext4 ^^
[00:49] <james147> why use ntfs if your not using windows :p
[00:50] <dmkryl> i'm not sure if is really ntfs but i believe is ntfs
[00:50] <Daskreech> dmkryl: You can run a find command against it hold on
[00:52]  * james147 would still format it after getting the data off it ^^ ntfs goes screwy with linux premissions @(
[00:52] <james147> ^^ how big is it?
[00:52] <poyntz> Daskreech: do you use yakuake?
[00:53] <Daskreech> poyntz: Not right now but used to use it lots
[00:53] <dmkryl> 114 gb
[00:54] <dmkryl> this is df -T
[00:54] <dmkryl> http://pastebin.com/CZtKs2qf
[00:55] <poyntz> Daskreech: why did you stop?
[00:55] <Daskreech> poyntz: moved system and haven't gotten around to reinstalling everything
[00:55] <poyntz> Daskreech: ahh k. thanks for the help. i'll see how it goes
[00:58] <Daskreech> dmkryl: try sudo find /media/sda3 -type d -exec chmod o+rwx {} \;
[00:58] <Daskreech> poyntz: ok enjoy :)
[01:04] <dmkryl> now i can enter to every folder
[01:04] <dmkryl> but doesn't open any file
[01:04] <dmkryl> i'm sorry i'm new to this
[01:05] <Daskreech> dmkryl: sure I just didn't want you to make all the file executable
[01:05] <Daskreech> dmkryl: try sudo find /media/sda3  -exec chmod o+r {} \;
[01:08] <rosco_y> Does anyone know why my Google Desktop Search's Preferences don't open?
[01:22] <dmkryl> Daskreech it worked thank you so much
[01:24] <Daskreech> Sure :)
[02:02] <beast> I'm having trouble getting new widgets to download it appears to work but they never appear to add to my desktop
[02:02] <beast> am I missing something?
[02:04] <Daskreech> beast: What are you expecting?
[02:04] <beast> I expect them to show up in the widget bar that comes up at the bottom of the screen
[02:05] <beast> let me describe my steps
[02:05] <beast> 1. Click on top right corner to add widget
[02:05] <beast> 2. widget bar appears and I click get more widgets
[02:05] <beast> 3. I select widgets to install they appear to install with no errors
[02:06] <beast> 4. I got back to widget bar but they are not there so I cannot add them to my desktop
[02:08] <beast> Is there another installation step I am missing?
[02:08] <S74rk7> I've seen that before too
[02:09] <beast> There doesn't seem to be a file downloaded that I can install manually
[02:10] <S74rk7> ages ago - this might sound silly but I tried a reboot...
[02:10] <Daskreech> S74rk7: eek
[02:10] <beast> That was my first thought but I've rebooted several times and still nothing
[02:10] <Daskreech> beast: try this
[02:11] <Daskreech> beast: open a terminal and kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 5 && plasma-desktop
[02:12] <S74rk7> I'm paying attention here too :)
[02:12] <beast> ok done
[02:13] <beast> that threw a bug notification
[02:14] <beast> kind of cool though because all my windows are open but my desktop is empty blackness LOL
[02:14] <beast> too bad I can't use it
[02:14] <beast> how do I start it back up?
[02:15] <Daskreech> beast: plasma-desktop
[02:15] <Daskreech> beast: part of the joy of building things in independent parts
[02:16] <beast> ok its back up should I try the widgets again or is there more?
[02:16] <Daskreech> try the widgets again
[02:16] <Daskreech> What version of KDE is this by the way?
[02:18] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  I'm just realising what you mean about the reboot thing... no real need in linux is there... if something is just messing around for no aparant reason - when in windows you rebooted...somtimes cured it - are you saying in linux is easier to narrow it down to the suspect service/app and run the command to restart it ??
[02:18] <beast> nope didn't work. let me check on version just recently installed 10.10 so whatever the default is
[02:18] <poyntz> is there a PPA for openoffice.org ?
[02:19] <beast> 4.5.1
[02:19] <tertl3_> openoffice ftw!
[02:20] <beast> Daskreech: It's version 4.5.1
[02:21] <Daskreech> poyntz: not for very long but you can just install from openoffice.org
[02:21] <Daskreech> beast: hmm I'm ... not sure why its not working. IF you want to run a small adventure you can upgrade to KDE 4.6 if you like
[02:22] <beast> sounds fun! LOL
[02:22] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Pretty much unless you have a new kernel there is no >Need< to restart the machine.
[02:22] <beast> thanks
[02:22] <Daskreech> beast: Look in the topic for the link
[02:22] <beast> ok
[02:24] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Granted there are a number of occasions when rebooting is quite a bit faster than hunting things fown
[02:24] <Daskreech> down
[02:24] <S74rk7> Daskreech: you see that approach to an OS is genius to me!
[02:25] <Daskreech> S74rk7: There are easily computers that have not been restarted in very literally years
[02:25] <Daskreech> but have things upgraded and patched and reasonably new
[02:25] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Servers running linux?
[02:26] <S74rk7> always heard linux has a hand in the running of the internet... apache or something - I'm still new to all this...I got a list of names I'm gonna research lol :)
[02:26] <Daskreech> The internals are all linked to each other and rely on each other but can all individually and selectively be brought down, shut off, diagnosed, upgraded, fixed and reintroduced to the system without harming anything else
[02:27] <Tr0074> can somebody please walk me through on changing the dark color on non native kde menus
[02:27] <Daskreech> No the internet is Linux
[02:27] <Tr0074> they are really hard to read
[02:27] <Daskreech> Tr0074: You mean Gtk menus?
[02:27] <Tr0074> yeah I think so
[02:29] <Tr0074> anyone
[02:29] <Daskreech> Tr0074: Which application is giving you problem?
[02:30] <Tr0074> Transmission, firefox, thunderbird,etc. non of them I can read the menus because they are really dark
[02:30] <Daskreech> ha ha ok
[02:30] <Daskreech> !info oxygen-gtk
[02:30] <Daskreech> Hmm
[02:31] <Tr0074> I am in maverick yes
[02:31] <Daskreech> ok
[02:31] <S74rk7> is it a particular theme or something you have applied?  And the default colour is too dark?
[02:32] <S74rk7> and so you want to know how to access the theme/appearance settings and change the colours?
[02:32] <Tr0074> I am using the default theme
[02:34] <Daskreech> Tr0074: do you know how to add a PPA?
[02:34] <S74rk7> Daskreech: ALT+F2  "Colours"  ... press Enter?   think this would help out Tr0074?
[02:34] <Tr0074> colours
[02:34] <Daskreech> S74rk7: not from what I understand of the problem
[02:35] <Daskreech> more like alt+F2 -> Gtk
[02:35] <S74rk7> ok I'ma shut up and listen :)
[02:35] <Daskreech> Tr0074: What do you see set when you press alt+F2 -> gtk and open Gtk+ appearanc?
[02:37] <Tr0074> the GTK +appearance only display use the font on Gtk applications
[02:37] <Daskreech> Tr0074: is there anything set for Widget style?
[02:37] <Tr0074> I am using the QTCurve for style
[02:37] <Daskreech> Ok
[02:38] <Tr0074> should I select something different?
[02:38] <Daskreech> Hmm that .. should make some difference
[02:38] <Daskreech> https://launchpad.net/~nx/+archive/kdeppa
[02:38] <Daskreech> see if you can add that PPA
[02:38] <Daskreech>  the instructions are ther on the page
[02:50] <S74rk7> anyone ever tried out BURG?  http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots
[02:50] <S74rk7> was thinking of giving it a shot - just wondering is it straight forward enough or should I wait and do a full system backup before messing with the likes or GRUB n stuff? -apologies if it seems off topic :)
[02:51] <Tr0074> this irc is very unestable
[02:52] <Daskreech> Tr0074: What client are you using?
[02:53] <Tr0074> this is Quassel
[02:55] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[02:55] <Tr0074> what is the name of this server?
[02:55] <tertl3> freenode
[02:56] <tertl3> node of freedom
[02:56] <tertl3> libre el node'
[02:56] <tertl3> la libertinaneous nodeus
[02:57] <Daskreech> Tr0074: ah Netsplit that might explain it
[02:57] <Daskreech> Tr0074: Freenode
[02:58] <TroN-0074> o.k
[02:58] <TroN-0074> thanks
[02:59] <TroN-0074> no much of a quassel type of guy
[02:59] <TroN-0074> I rejoined in Xchat
[03:00] <tertl3> konversation alw
[03:01] <tertl3> quasssel on kubuntu?
[03:01] <tertl3> how inappropiate
[03:01] <seme> wow!!! long time ubuntu user but recently switched to kde 4.6 and I have to say I'll never go back to gnome
[03:01] <seme> :-)
[03:01] <S74rk7> I'm using Quassel on Kubuntu?
[03:01] <Daskreech> seme: Welcome
[03:01] <TroN-0074> haha seme
[03:01] <Daskreech> S74rk7: That's fine :) lots of people like Konversation better
[03:01] <tertl3> S74rk7: you don't count :P
[03:01] <TroN-0074> hey seme are yous till using gtk applications?
[03:02] <TroN-0074> I am having a hard time with them
[03:02] <S74rk7> Daskreech: lol right, gonna check it out - see what the fuss is about
[03:02] <S74rk7> tertl3: lol
[03:03] <seme> the only apps I am using that aren't native qt/kde are monodevelop and firefox
[03:03] <TroN-0074> what is your email manager?
[03:04] <seme> I use web based email
[03:04] <TroN-0074> weak
[03:04] <seme> sha haa
[03:04] <seme> hey it works
[03:04] <TroN-0074> with a bunch of advertise about viagra sure
[03:04] <seme> I use like 5 different computers a day and I hate keeping things in sync... imap and pop blow
[03:04] <seme> naah... I block all ads
[03:05] <dustin_> whats up everyone
[03:05] <tertl3> warap!
[03:05] <TroN-0074> you can select to keep all your mails in server so only from your main pc can delete them
[03:06] <TroN-0074> yeah I just switch from gnome too
[03:06] <seme> I have to say that honestly 4.6 is a huge leap... very nice
[03:06] <seme> just feels complete and stable
[03:06] <seme> fonts look great
[03:06] <TroN-0074> mmm I dont know man
[03:07] <TroN-0074> I dont feel quite at home in KDE
[03:07] <seme> only thing that feels like it isn't great is rekonq... lots of sites with flash aren't working
[03:07] <TroN-0074> yeah
[03:07] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: Black menus? :)
[03:07] <TroN-0074> I still have konqueror too
[03:07] <Daskreech> Rekonq is very very young :)
[03:07] <TroN-0074> yes I hate black menus
[03:07] <Daskreech> it will mature with time
[03:08] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: Try that ppa and switch the widget style to oxygen-gtk
[03:08] <TroN-0074> I couldnt get that app to add in my sources
[03:08] <TroN-0074> dude rekonq is like they wanted to make chrome for kde
[03:09] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: Not too far off :)
[03:09] <seme> I also hate that every time I go to the help docs on an app it usually says no docs found
[03:10] <seme> the only thing worse would be for it to find something but it only being boilerplate stuff
[03:10] <TroN-0074> Hahaha and how do you like that crazy kwallet thing
[03:10] <Daskreech> seme: which applications do that?
[03:10] <seme> akregator
[03:10] <seme> at least thats the one I just tried
[03:11] <Daskreech> seme: Works here
[03:11] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: Kwallet is quite nice but needs some usabilty polish :)
[03:12] <seme> also the authentication for software installation always has the password dialog below the other dialogs
[03:12] <seme> odd
[03:12] <Daskreech> hmm that works for me as well
[03:12] <seme> perhaps I don't have something running that I should
[03:12] <Daskreech> or maybe I just press alt+ctrl+A without thinking about it
[03:13] <Daskreech> seme: This is KDE 4.6 right ?
[03:13] <TroN-0074> After adding those links to my software source I got the couldn't  download all repository index problem
[03:13] <seme> kmail too
[03:13] <seme> yeah
[03:13] <seme> yeah 4.6
[03:13] <TroN-0074> kmail too ask for too much information
[03:13] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: hmm
[03:13] <TroN-0074> I think evolution just works
[03:14] <TroN-0074> too bad evolution has very little support for web mail
[03:14] <Daskreech> seme: Kmail doesn't work for me
[03:14] <Daskreech> says Preparing Document and stays there forever
[03:15] <seme> ha haa just install konqueror and went to youtube... first video that I tried to play crashed it
[03:15] <seme> :(
[03:15] <TroN-0074> thunderbird is a good one
[03:15] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: What information is Kmail asking?
[03:15] <Daskreech>  I don't remember much about setting up the accounts but other than your real name I can't recall it needing anything out of the way
[03:16] <seme> can someone else test something... go to youtube and click the plus sign on any of the videos... don't click the image itself or it will go to the video page... the + button is on the bottom right of the image and queues the video
[03:16] <seme> crashes the app every time
[03:17] <S74rk7> Think I like Konversation better too :)
[03:17] <Daskreech> seme: Nope Kmail just popped up the handbook
[03:17] <Daskreech> I don't have flash installed so...
[03:18] <TroN-0074> amarok is the best thing KDE has
[03:19] <TroN-0074> and k9copy
[03:19] <Daskreech> Konqueror as well
[03:19] <Daskreech> k3b is pretty good too
[03:19] <TroN-0074> k3b is not quite brasero
[03:19] <Daskreech> First burning software in the world to support Bluray I think :)
[03:20] <Daskreech> Well as long as neither of them are XcdRoast
[03:20] <TroN-0074> takes 7 min in brasero to burn a dvd and takes 2 hours in k3b I dont know is something is not set right in my computer
[03:21] <S74rk7> What you guys make of blueray then?  Was looking at a couple of drives for a media centre I want to build....run XBMC or something on it??
[03:21] <Daskreech> XBMC might work but officially it's not legal to watch a commercial BluRay under Linux
[03:22] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: Hmm that's interesting I'll have to try that. Wonder what would cause that
[03:22] <TroN-0074> yeah I dont know why k3b takes that long
[03:23] <TroN-0074> I wish I had a blue ray burning installed in my PC
[03:23] <S74rk7> Daskreech: whats that you were saying about it not being legal to watch BluRay under linux?
[03:23] <TroN-0074> but I am not at that level yet
[03:23] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: this is KDE 4.5 or 4.6 ?
[03:23] <TroN-0074> how can I find that out?
[03:24] <TroN-0074> 4.5.1
[03:24] <Daskreech> S74rk7: The firmware that Blurays run on make it legally doubtful for them to be legally watched on anything that the User has control over
[03:24] <TroN-0074> I remembered I had the kinfocenter
[03:24] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: Any KDE app -> help -> about KDE
[03:25] <TroN-0074> now when you said you like konqueror were you talking about the internet browser of the file manager?
[03:25] <Daskreech> TroN-0074: I seem to remember something about K3b and Wodim
[03:25] <Daskreech> can't recall if that was for KDE 4.6 or 4.7
[03:26] <Daskreech> but thatshould make things faster
[03:26] <TroN-0074> ahhh
[03:26] <Daskreech> I like Konqueror as a viewer
[03:26] <TroN-0074> yeah I am too new to KDE I still need to figure things out
[03:26] <Daskreech> I can open just about anything in the world in konqueror as long as KDE recognizes it and it should work
[03:27] <TroN-0074> even M4a files?
[03:27] <TroN-0074> I hate them
[03:27] <Daskreech> text files, JPGs, movies, Comic books, HTML files, SSH sessions to other computers, Git servers
[03:28] <Daskreech> long as Amarok or Juk can read them then yes Konqueror can read them too
[03:28] <TroN-0074> that is good
[03:29] <Daskreech> It's ridiculously versatile but I guess jack of all trades doesn't really count unless you are a cell phone
[03:30] <TroN-0074> dude bed time for me have a good night. Thanks for the help. I will keep trying
[03:34] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I am trying out Konqueror - pretty handy being able to view files and webpages under the one application :)
[03:34] <Daskreech> S74rk7: It's much worse
[03:34] <Daskreech> press ctrl+L
[03:35] <Daskreech> You can view them side by side
[03:35] <Daskreech> edit one and watch thechanges live on the other
[03:35] <S74rk7> Daskreech: when I press Ctrl+L - only thing it does is show a green light in bottom left corner and the world Cancelled... am I missing something?
[03:35] <Daskreech> and this works even if the file you are editing is on a computer on the other side of that <insert expanse here>
[03:36] <Daskreech> Whoops Ctrl+shift+L
[03:36] <Daskreech> That's vertical
[03:37] <S74rk7> S74rk7 ** Jumps up and down with excitment :)
[03:37] <S74rk7> lol
[03:37] <Daskreech> Ctrl+Shift+R for horizontal
[03:37] <Daskreech> So you can have one file open for the HTML one under it for the CSS and then view the results in the wide screen section
[03:38] <Daskreech> Or you know ssh into two different machines and manage moving files across from both of them to and from the local machine
[03:39] <S74rk7> Konqueror is starting to look like a savior to me now lol
[03:39] <Daskreech> It's immensely neat
[03:39] <S74rk7> great thought has went into that :)
[03:39] <Daskreech> I guess :)
[03:40] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Thanks for showing me that mate! :)
[03:40] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Want one more palpatation of the heart?
[03:40] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Always :)
[03:40] <Daskreech> open konqueror and type ~ in the address bar
[03:40] <Daskreech> What does that get you?
[03:41] <S74rk7> My home directory? :)
[03:41] <Daskreech> Isn't that Cooool? :)
[03:41] <S74rk7> that I would call sexy lol
[03:42] <Daskreech> Click on View -> View Mode -> File Size View
[03:42] <S74rk7> I think I've been converted from a Chromium user - I'm gonna play with this for a while - so handy :)  --- how secure is it though, should I add the ppa?
[03:43] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Converted to what? Konqueror?
[03:46] <dustin_> so anyone know much about gimp editoring etc?
[03:46] <S74rk7> Daskreech: yeah - It would be much more tidy for me atm - I'm moving a lot of files around, but reading up on things too... switching from desktops etc... the tab layout is great
[03:46] <Daskreech> S74rk7: oh yeah It has tabs too
[03:46] <Daskreech>  :-D
[03:47] <Daskreech>  the number of things you can do in Konqueror alone is amazing
[03:47] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I am already starting to see - thanks for the suggestion mate! :)
[03:48] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Just a quick question though, how does it way up in terms of security compared to the likes of chromium etc?  Just in your opinion?
[03:49] <Daskreech> It's pretty good. I mean it was made to be both a File manager and Web browser so some thought went into Security for it
[03:49] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I mean "security" in terms of malicious coding/spyware etc online - and stability
[03:49] <Daskreech> It's still not as good a web browser as something dedicated
[03:49] <S74rk7> Daskreech: cool - gonna see if I can find an article or review on konqueror
[03:50] <Daskreech> In fact it's not as good a anything as something dedicated but it sure does get a lot of stuff done for one application
[03:50] <Daskreech> probably won't Konqueror has been around for closing in on Decades at this point
[03:50] <Daskreech> People review shiny things :)
[03:50] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Konversation is great too - its somehow more clear to use - but hey what do I know - only been on IRC 2 days lol
[03:51] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Quassel has some interesting tricks but Konversation is pretty straight
[03:52] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I think I'm gonna stick with something straight at the minute - I've got a lot to be taking in here with everything - but I did see something about executing commands when certain things are flagged?  sounds interesting if I interprited it right :)
[03:53] <Daskreech> What's that in relation to?
[03:54] <Daskreech> S74rk7_: What's that in relation to?
[03:54] <Daskreech> In case you were starting quassel and missed that
[03:54] <dustin_> hmm
[03:55] <S74rk7> !paste
[03:55] <Daskreech> S74rk7: you can add a pastebin plasmoid
[03:55] <Daskreech> makes uploading text and images way way way easier
[03:56] <S74rk7> Daskreech: does the cool s#it stop :)
[03:57] <S74rk7> Just when you were asking "What's that in relation to?"  when I was talking about noticing something in Quassel - Seen something about running commands - heres a screenshot just for quick reference... http://imagebin.org/144790
[03:58] <S74rk7> I only glanced... but it sounds pretty neat for my imagination lol :)
[03:58] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Oh yes standard KDE thing
[03:59] <Daskreech> all notifications can fire off events so things like flashing the Window or playing a sound
[03:59] <Daskreech> Popping up a bubble with info etc
[04:00] <Daskreech> You can also write your own commands and have them run so Like having someone in IRC say Who's up for a game of Multiplayer Solitare and the response is to just start the game
[04:00] <Daskreech> Or write a comand to send you a text message anytime a news article comes in about the company you started up
[04:00] <S74rk7> Your blowing my mind here!
[04:00] <S74rk7> lol
[04:01] <Daskreech> most people are far too lazy to do that :) but it's pretty much all doable if you want to
[04:02] <Daskreech> Or if you have nothing doing you can have a command that triggers a notification in another app that triggers a command that calls someone and triggers off somethign in another app that sets off fireworks in the yard and calls something else ....
[04:02] <S74rk7> Yeah that was something I heard about before - some guy one night - was pretty sleepy, but was waiting on a new distro of linux being released or something, so he didn't want to over sleep - he wrote some kind of script - something that was monitoring an RSS feed, so when it was updated it sent him a txt message to his phone with his own personalized message lol
[04:03] <S74rk7> I think thats what I recall - something along those lines - I just remember when I was reading it --- I wanna do that some day lol! :)
[04:03] <Daskreech> yeah pretty easy to pull off once you have somethings setup
[04:05] <Daskreech> I'd probably go as far as check a server for the release, pull the file and then compare it with the hash on the server to ensure it's complete( otherwise try again!) and when it's done shoot off an e-mail and a text to let me know it's done
[04:05] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  See this is exactly the platform I wanna learn on - I wanna build and have everything talking - a custom built media center - but I've recently just found a package called "motion" --more or less can turn and USB webcam into a motion detecting camera... so I want to setup my own little personalised Mainframe... you know... big screen in the living room and can control everything --- Geeky I know lol - just for
[04:05] <S74rk7> fun - I'm a big kid lol
[04:06] <Daskreech> S74rk7: This is your playground
[04:06] <Daskreech> after a while playing here sitting in a living room looking through the Windows is just so ... soo
[04:07] <S74rk7> Daskreech: You must never get bored with all your knowledge so far with all these toys at your disposal :) I cant wait to get the hang of it all!! lol
[04:07] <Daskreech> S74rk7: no just frustrated
[04:07] <S74rk7> Daskreech: really how come?
[04:07] <Daskreech> Cause I really wanna play with that. But I'm still playing with this!
[04:08]  * Daskreech breaks down sobbing
[04:09] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Believe me when I say I know exactly what you mean - Linux has kicked off my imagination for so many different ideas - but I'm lost in where to start - when I'm just trying to pick up the basic's even now - I get distracted cuz I learn of something new and want to mess around with that - then I'm writing notes and have got about 500 bookmarks of things I wanna go back and try out.. lol.... I think I get what
[04:09] <S74rk7> your talking about lol
[04:10] <Daskreech> It really is very very sad
[04:10] <S74rk7> Daskreech: How did you write that action ???  you know you said "Daskreech breaks down sobbing" in blue writing lol
[04:10]  * Daskreech shrugs
[04:10]  * Daskreech is just skilled
[04:10] <S74rk7> lol
[04:10] <Daskreech> look at /me
[04:10] <S74rk7> lmao
[04:11] <Daskreech> which is like /join
[04:11] <Daskreech> irc commands start with a / at the beginning of a line
[04:12] <S74rk7> bot commands with !      ???
[04:13] <Daskreech> No
[04:13] <Daskreech> well yes for here
[04:13] <Daskreech> You can make a robot do whatever you like but for here ! is the bot command
[04:13] <S74rk7> opps - I forgot I had launched Quassel too lol
[04:13] <Daskreech> :)
[04:15] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  thanks again - I appreciate all the information and patience :)
[04:15] <Daskreech> Sure glad to help
[04:15] <S74rk7> Can you PM from within IRC?
[04:16] <Daskreech> yes
[04:16] <S74rk7> or would that be the same really as setting up a channel and inviting someone to connect?
[04:22] <dustin_> hey dask?
[04:22] <S74rk7> ok - see to install the widget for uploading images to Imagebin etc - is the widget part of plasma or konversation/quassel?
[04:23] <dustin_> I could use some help configureing "tork" if possible ive installed and compiled it right finally but the configuration needs alittle adjustment if you got time to help me quick so i can have this up and running smoothley
[04:24] <Daskreech> S74rk7: try /msg nick but you shoudl always ask before you do that
[04:24] <Daskreech> What's Tork?
[04:27] <dustin_> !tork
[04:27] <dustin_> it helps manage tor networks from what ive read anyways ?
[04:28] <Daskreech> !tor
[04:29] <Drunkjedi1> I have a 3DLAB wildcat vp990 is there a ubunut driver for it?
[04:31] <dustin_> i need another way to dl the tor program i guess apparently
[04:33] <Daskreech> dustin_: read the link
[04:39] <dustin_> i seriously can't find my tor < application for some reason
[04:40] <dustin_> i need another name for "the tor application itself apparently anyone know the name of one?
[04:41] <Drunkjedi1> can you install windows specific drivers with wine?
[04:42] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: I wouldn't try it
[04:42] <Drunkjedi1> well i can't find a driver for my wildcat video card its driving me nuts
[04:43] <Drunkjedi1> and i really don't want to have to install that junk of software windows
[04:46] <Drunkjedi1> can you install drivers in a virtual machine in Ubuntu.
[04:46] <Drunkjedi1> or does it use software drivers like VMachine on windwos
[04:52] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: You could. What's the manufacturer for the card?
[04:52] <Drunkjedi1> 3dlabs
[04:56] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  This any use - http://www.3dlabs.com/content/Legacy/drivers/driverSelect.asp  ??
[04:57] <S74rk7> doesn't seem to list distros like ubuntu etc - but if linux is a backbone could they be of any use?
[04:58] <Drunkjedi1> i have searched for drivers on that site it doesn't have the driver for linux
[04:59] <dustin_> okay im lost daskreech
[05:00] <S74rk7> Drunkjedi1: is your card model a VP990 Pro by any chance?
[05:00] <Drunkjedi1> yes a 3dlabs wildcat vp990 pro
[05:01] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: can you type lsmod and pastebin it please ?
[05:01] <Daskreech> !paste
[05:01] <Daskreech> dustin_: With?
[05:01] <dustin_> configureing this tork application
[05:01] <Drunkjedi1> Module                  Size  Used by
[05:01] <Drunkjedi1> binfmt_misc             6599  1
[05:01] <Drunkjedi1> parport_pc             26058  0
[05:01] <Drunkjedi1> ppdev                   5556  0
[05:01] <Drunkjedi1> snd_via82xx            20140  0
[05:01] <FloodBotK1> Drunkjedi1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:01] <dustin_> 1min need to finish this smoke
[05:03] <Drunkjedi1> sorry i typed before i read i thought you was answering someone else
[05:03] <Daskreech> !paste | Drunkjedi1
[05:04] <Drunkjedi1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/585202/
[05:05] <Drunkjedi1> sorry new to irc help
[05:06] <dustin_> okay daskreech i got the the app compiled and up but i get a error when trying to run the application and not sure how to fix it or configure it properly
[05:06] <dustin_> the error says: it can't locate the tor application for some reason
[05:16] <S74rk7> Random Question time! :)  See if you have drivers source...so you can compile them in linux to suit the OS.... is it possible if we were to have drivers that have been compiled to suit Windows - is it possible to "uncompile" them back to source ?
[05:16] <Daskreech> S74rk7: not to source but to instructions
[05:17] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: Seems that 3Dlabs has no interest in having the cards working in Linux
[05:18] <S74rk7> Daskreech: What do you mean instructions if I may ask? :)
[05:18] <Drunkjedi1> i was afraid of that but i thought maybe someone would have come up with a open source one
[05:19] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: Looks like 3DLabs might sue them if they do. You can write to 3Dlabs and ask them to update thier drivers or open the current ones
[05:19] <Drunkjedi1> i guess its back to dual boot any recommendation on how to install windows with out messing up the boot record or the easiest way to fix it so i can dual boot
[05:19] <Daskreech> A legal way to write open source drivers for them would be great
[05:20] <Daskreech> !grub2
[05:20] <Drunkjedi1> 3DLabs is no more i believe
[05:20] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: You can read that first link
[05:21] <Drunkjedi1> ok i have installed windows after Ubuntu before but never can get booted back up in Ubuntu.
[05:22] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: You need a live CD
[05:23] <Daskreech> then follow the instructions in the first link above
[05:24] <Drunkjedi1> yea i think that was my biggest problem i think my live cd wasn't being read right by my cd drive didn't know it at the time.  then installing Ubuntu on my parents computer there drive wasn't reading it either had to do research and found some drives have problems reading the live cd.
[05:26] <Daskreech> Drunkjedi1: burn it at a  slower speed
[05:28] <Drunkjedi1> ok thanks weird part i have another computer it worked just fine never had a problem.  Thats how i installed the Ubuntu version i am running now i installed the hard drive in the other computer and install Ubuntu. Thanks again for the help
[05:49]  * S74rk7 is worried.... coffee supply is getting low :P
[06:08] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  You still awake?
[06:08] <Daskreech> Seems so
[06:09] <S74rk7> Daskreech: you must drink as much coffee as I do :)
[06:09] <Daskreech> I hate coffee actually
[06:10] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  caffeine substitute? lol
[06:10] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Reading man pages :)
[06:10] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Ah...explain a jedi's wisdom it would :)
[06:11] <S74rk7> Daskreech: anyhow lol - I wanted to ask, did you suggest the OReillys Linux in a Nutshell ?
[06:11] <Daskreech> Yes
[06:12] <Daskreech> classic book
[06:12] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  I got myself a copy of 6th edition... just got browsing through it there... gonna have to print some pages off tomorrow!!!
[06:13] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  I need a kindle or something to keep up.... lol
[06:13] <Daskreech> I think direct injection of fiber to the cortex might work
[06:13] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  Just wanted to say thanks again for the suggestion!  It looks very promising!
[06:14] <Daskreech> :)
[06:14] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  If only... lol - I'd love to live in a time like Deus Ex or something lol
[06:15] <Daskreech> Oh you probably will
[06:16] <S74rk7> Daskreech: If I the money I would remodel and decorate a bit more....I think I'd have the place looking similar lol :)
[06:16] <Daskreech> When the singularity hits you'll have that done for you
[06:18] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I'm not following mate sorry... think its getting time for a power nap lol
[06:18] <Daskreech> You were not intended to :)
[06:18] <Daskreech> So all is right
[06:18] <Daskreech> ;-)
[06:18] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  you liking playing with me aren't you... lol
[06:18] <Daskreech> just a little
[06:19] <S74rk7> wait and see... I'll learn the ways of the force... I'll be able to joke back :)
[06:19] <S74rk7> lol
[06:20] <S74rk7> Daskreech: How many years of linux you got under your belt if I may ask?
[06:20] <Daskreech> I forget
[06:20] <Daskreech> 13?
[06:20] <Daskreech> might be more
[06:20] <Daskreech> That might be when I got more serious about it
[06:20] <Daskreech> Wiped Windows off the machine
[06:21] <Daskreech> My brother thought I was crazy till I found Xkobo
[06:21] <S74rk7> Daskreech: You know my first pc was linux..n I been messing around on pc's for near 13 years myself - still dont know how/why I didnt hear or catch on to linux sooner!  Wish now I'd 13years of linux experience rather than windows distros :)
[06:21] <Daskreech> I liked Linux before I ever got a computer. I saw a picture of some very early version of enlightenment
[06:22] <Daskreech> It had this gothic skin to it
[06:22] <Daskreech> But the max/min/close buttons fell off the top of the window and flowed down the side like a waterfall
[06:23] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Whats xkobo?
[06:23] <Daskreech> If I could get that much control of the computer I knew I had to use it
[06:23] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Niiiiiiice :)
[06:23] <Daskreech> A game :) my brother wasn't about to give up Warcraft so I could spend two weeks trying to work out how the soundcard could be turned on
[06:24] <Daskreech> Lots of people turn up now and wonder why people haven't been using Linux since ages ago. It's cause Linux sucked back then :)
[06:24] <Daskreech> But it was a suck that you could own which made all the difference I guess
[06:25] <Daskreech> !info xkobo
[06:25] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  I was just about to ask actually... what do you think when you look at linux back then and now?  What stands out to you?
[06:25] <Daskreech> S74rk7: The steps I suppose
[06:25] <Daskreech> People always doing just enough that someone who wouldn't be interested at all would now do something
[06:26] <Daskreech> cause if it would just do this one thing I could use it
[06:26] <Daskreech> then when they got that working someone else who wouldn't use Linux said well if that's working I can stand it .. well if this other thing worked. I wonder if I can get it working?
[06:27] <Daskreech> Just keeps adding in one more person till it's the huge thing today with countries turning over to use it
[06:28] <Daskreech> Things that took weeks to work back in the day now are frustrating if they don't work automatically
[06:28] <S74rk7> I watched a few documentaries n stuff about open source software and linux was always mentioned... its amazing the things its made possible - and also...its crazy to think its actually exsisted infront of peoples eyes...like they've been using some form of it and not been aware....
[06:29] <Daskreech> !info kobodeluxe > S74rk7
[06:30] <Daskreech> S74rk7: yeah that's the thing about it. Other than desktop computers Everything else in the world pretty much is either linux, unix or going to be
[06:30] <Daskreech> The last big one I would say is Symbian and that's dying out for Linux and Unix Phones
[06:31] <Daskreech> TVs? All running on LInux
[06:31] <Daskreech> the modems to get on the net?
[06:31] <Daskreech> Linux
[06:31] <Daskreech> Microwaves? Linux
[06:31] <Daskreech> GPS systems? All Linux
[06:32] <S74rk7> I think its something pure.... opens the door to so many possibilities.... I find it inspiring... its opened all the locked doors to using something like windows...
[06:32] <S74rk7> Microwaves?....
[06:32] <Daskreech> Only problems is making sure that while Linux gets adopted it remains true to the idea that you have the freedom to do what you want with it
[06:33] <Daskreech> people keep trying to take it and put it in a box then charge you for the box with no way for you to build one yourself
[06:34] <S74rk7> I think that community is something that will help keep it that way.... like I say... to me linux is something I'm real glad I stumbled apon... its give me lots of inspiration for things/projects etc.... but the best part I have to say about it is the support community...
[06:34] <Daskreech> which of course really sucks from a philosophical stand point but more so as being fair. You didn't build any of this and you want to profit AND prevent others from doing the same?
[06:35] <Daskreech> no choose one
[06:36] <S74rk7> I haven't encountered as many "keyboard gangsters" as I call them.... (lol) you know the snotting replies you get from some guys/girls when asking a question that seems childish to guru's?
[06:36] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Ubuntu is built to prevent that
[06:36] <Daskreech> !coc
[06:37] <Daskreech> If you want those people I can point you at a few places where you can get abuse
[06:37] <S74rk7> Thats what I mean.... I was looking at that earlier... that how I have faith that it will remain even as it popularity grows
[06:37] <S74rk7> Daskreech: lol no thanks mate - I think I'm good lol
[06:38] <Daskreech> hi BIGIDIOT
[06:40] <S74rk7> Daskreech: no not at all - I dont intend to get any form of profit - know what I'd like to do.... make my own distrobution... even if its as something as silly as a preconfigured desktop - with icons placed and sized etc... things just layed out more conviently etc... just something for the fun of it...you know :)
[06:41] <Daskreech> hmm
[06:41] <Daskreech> !search kobo
[06:41] <Daskreech> !find kobo
[06:41] <Daskreech> !find rekons
[06:41] <Daskreech> Ah
[06:42] <S74rk7> Daskreech: offer it to anyone who would want to chop or change anything about it - thats where inspiration n stuff comes from... when you see a great idea ... sometimes you notice another that isn't there - and build on that... just for the fun of it - and for everyone to play their part lol
[06:42] <Daskreech> There was a package called rekonstuct I think that would allow you to build your own distro
[06:42] <Daskreech> Wonder if I can track it down
[06:43] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  awwww great :)
[06:45] <Daskreech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[06:45] <Daskreech>  that might work I guess
[06:45] <Daskreech> Still some amount of work to put into it though
[06:47] <S74rk7> Daskreech:  I'm willing you'll see :)
[06:48] <S74rk7> Daskreech: btw - kobodeluxe is pretty cool :)
[06:48] <Daskreech> It's a *#^$@_(*_)__@#(&*&*#^%% game
[06:49] <Daskreech> Took us a whole summer playing like 4 hours a day to reach level 70
[06:49] <Daskreech> it gets soooo unfair against you it's amazing but pulling off wins is the most amazing feeling
[06:50] <S74rk7> Daskreech: thats one of them addictive as hell games lol
[06:50] <Daskreech> yeah pretty much it replaced every other game. You get a certain number of lives then everything resets but on the last level that you were on
[06:51] <S74rk7> Daskreech: see all the old games from the good ole days are like that - no fancy graphics like the games today - but the games today dont hold as much of the gameplay I think.... hours you can spend happily on a simple little game lol
[06:51] <Daskreech> So if you are on level 36 when you die whatever damage you did stays. Till you run out of lives then everything resets and you start on level 36 again.
[06:51] <Daskreech> So what would happen is we would get packs of lives
[06:52] <Daskreech> I would play through a whole pack and see how far I could get and then he would play
[06:52] <Daskreech> started out with races to see who could get through the most levels given a certain number of lives
[06:52] <Daskreech> Then the game got bastard hard
[06:53] <Daskreech> we would swap back and forth through like 3 packs of lives and couldn't pass one single stage
[06:54] <Daskreech> Then it suddenly switched from competition to strategy and co-operation
[06:54] <Daskreech> I was much more methodical and patient and he was kinda brash
[06:54] <Daskreech> So we would flip over to the other if we thought that the stage lent itself to that
[06:57] <Daskreech> There was one stage that started you out on the very edge of the map and had one huuuuuuuuuuge cube take up all the space so you had no where to go. I went and slowly chipped at the outside till there was room to run then he watched me and told me to attack this one position. i eventually died and though it wasn't his turn he took over
[06:57] <Daskreech> Did the craziest run through tiny little passages in the pipes and crashed into the core. Massive explosion and the whole thing blew up and we passed the stage
[06:58] <Daskreech> We started screaming and running around the place it was so star wars crazy cool
[07:00] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Sounds amazing!
[07:01] <S74rk7> Daskreech: my brother wouldn't be that into computers as much as me.... I think I would be more the methodical and patient one and he'd be a bit more brash lol
[07:01] <Daskreech> It was just from utter despair of we can never ever win this to omgomgomgomgomgomgomggonnadiegonnadiegonnadiekeeeepgoing!! WE WON!!!!
[07:02] <S74rk7> Daskreech: ROFL - excellent :)
[07:02] <Daskreech> I Installed the game years later
[07:02] <Daskreech> Never have again
[07:02] <Daskreech> Waste days playing it
[07:03] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I can seriously see why..
[07:03] <Daskreech> I'm really tempted to install it now .....
[07:04] <S74rk7> Daskreech: I nearlly choked on my coffee there ... I was just about to write that... lol
[07:04] <S74rk7> I was gonna say - bet your really tempted now you've thinking about it :) lol
[07:04] <Daskreech> Must be strong
[07:04] <Daskreech> Mary would be proud
[07:05] <S74rk7> Daskcreech:  I say you've been rather good n patient... can't always be all work no play... :)    Have to let the be some time to be at one with yourself :P lol
[07:05] <S74rk7> Daskcreech:  Who's Mary if I may ask?
[07:06] <Daskreech> A fictional person I just made up who would be very proud of me if I'm strong enough to resist the call of evil evil fun
[07:06] <Daskreech> !tab  | S74rk7
[07:06] <S74rk7> haha....
[07:06] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Ah legendary! :)
[07:07] <Daskreech> Very much so
[07:07] <Daskreech> After a year or two you will learn to hate the tab key
[07:07] <S74rk7> lol what makes you say that?
[07:08] <Daskreech> Cause you will be so used to pressing tab and have it complete what you were thinking about you will start being upset it doesn't work everywhere
[07:08] <Daskreech> Dear... who was I writing this to again? Why doesn't tab autocomplete it damnit!
[07:09] <Daskreech> This year I made 43<tab> ... <tab> ?? <tabtabtabtab>
[07:09] <Daskreech> Oh right I actually have to write it out
[07:09] <S74rk7> lol - I can see what your getting at there - rofl
[07:09] <Daskreech> damnit
[07:10] <Daskreech> It works in IRC and most shells krunner and Libreoffice
[07:10] <S74rk7> Listen to this.... see for some reason... in windows I picked up the habbit of right clicking on the desktop.... and selecting refresh after I'd finished doing someting.... started the computer up.... returned to it after going to the kitchen etc etc.... lol
[07:10] <Daskreech> kate does it quite a bit as well
[07:12] <S74rk7> see when I start using linux... I caught myself so many times trying to do the same darn thing.... lol - It was because sometimes you would see the screen seems laggy.... or part of an icon remained the same colour or something as if it was still selected/highlighted ....
[07:13] <S74rk7> what the heck does that or why would it act like that - would you know... cuz its happening sometimes with windows in linux here ... and I dont have  my right click refresh anymore lol -
[07:14] <S74rk7> I mean is it a grfx issue... memory issue.... plasma etc?  You ever seen it or know what I mean? it happens on loads of OS's like
[07:14] <Daskreech> S74rk7: kinda like me on windows I keep pressing alt+F2 or ctrl+Shift+I or Alt+ctrl+a
[07:14] <Daskreech> Yeah I know it
[07:15] <S74rk7> lol
[07:15] <S74rk7> whats ALT+CTRL+A ??? It doesn't seem to do anything for me?
[07:16] <Daskreech> S74rk7: how many windows do you have open
[07:18] <S74rk7> on this desktop... only 3 now thanks to Konqueror lol :)
[07:19] <Daskreech> ok jump to a different desktop. in 45 seconds I'll say your name in the channel. When you see the bubble press alt+ctrl+A
[07:19] <Daskreech> or 45 seconds from when you say ok you are going
[07:19] <S74rk7> ok
[07:20] <Daskreech> S74rk7: go
[07:20] <Daskreech> S74rk7: Doh forgot someting
[07:20] <Daskreech> haha come back Kubuntu turns this off
[07:21] <S74rk7> I'm back lol
[07:21] <Daskreech> ok heres what you do go to Settings -> configure notifications
[07:21] <S74rk7> ok
[07:22] <Daskreech> scroll down to Nick written and then you want to select Mark Taskbar Entry
[07:22] <Daskreech> Ok and then it should work after that :)
[07:22] <Daskreech> So when you are ready you can tell me and jump to the other desktop
[07:22] <S74rk7> ok done - heading to another desktop
[07:22] <S74rk7> :)
[07:23] <Daskreech> S74rk7: go
[07:23] <S74rk7> NICE :)
[07:23] <Daskreech> Very
[07:24] <Daskreech> So anytime any window wants your attention you can just jump to it directly
[07:24] <Daskreech> I have 4 desktops and maybe 20 windows on each
[07:24] <Daskreech> Not a problem If something wants me I don't even have to think  press alt+ctrl+A and it pulls me to whatever the issue is
[07:25] <Daskreech> On windows it just gets annoying to me
[07:25] <Daskreech> why is the window calling me if CAN"T ANSWER IT???
[07:25] <Daskreech> *throws a cat outside from fustration*
[07:26] <S74rk7> Daskreech: 1sec sorry mate (phone call) :)
[07:26] <Daskreech> ure
[07:29] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Awww dude... sounds like you look at things the same way I do... lol - I seen so much of that over the years.... thats what has me excited about linux so much.... now I'm on a platform where I can change/personalise/correct things I see like that.... thats the icing on the cake for me :) lol
[07:30] <Daskreech> well that's good
[07:30] <Daskreech> cause the cake is a lie
[07:30] <S74rk7> Thats how I came up with the ideas I got for my layout and structure of my distro I wanna put together.... just to see what something can be like if you can make you own logic in it :) lol
[07:31] <S74rk7> lol why's the cake a liar?
[07:31] <S74rk7> I don't know the cake that well.... more of a cheesecake kinna guy myself lol
[07:31] <S74rk7> Daskreech: lol lol you're not wise mate lol
[07:31] <Daskreech> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-cake-is-a-lie--5
[07:34] <Daskreech> http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/088/original/1185ebc0a0677253fb89b6776bede4461232629181_full_1_.jpg?1275430200
[07:35] <Daskreech> ha ha
[07:37] <S74rk7> Daskreech: lmao @ The cake is a lie
[07:38] <S74rk7> I played portal before :)
[07:38] <Daskreech> :)
[07:38] <S74rk7> actually I think it was the older version - unless I'm mistaken :)
[07:39] <S74rk7> more of a little stick man if I remember or else I'm getting confused with something else
[07:42] <Daskreech> maybe :)
[07:43] <Daskreech> you were female in Portal
[07:47] <S74rk7> Daskreech: really?  I couldn't tell.... does a sticklady not had a triangle blackskirt on?  - suppose she'd bear wearing an all-in-one if she was doing all that jumping like in Portal :)
[07:47] <S74rk7> lol
[07:48] <noaXess> good morning..
[07:48] <noaXess> .. hey Daskreech
[07:48] <Daskreech> hi noaXess
[07:48] <noaXess> still haven't found a solution, why my command not work in a bin/sh scipt.. any hint?
[07:49] <noaXess> http://paste.ubuntu.com/585245/
[07:49] <Daskreech> I asked what the files command does
[07:50] <noaXess> the command on line 12 works if i use just this direct in command line
[07:50] <noaXess> Daskreech: you mean !(files)? that will exclude the folder files from the diff
[07:51] <Daskreech> ah
[07:51] <noaXess> Daskreech: but it seems that !(files) will kill the command if i use it inside a script..
[07:52] <Daskreech> noaXess: run the script with sh -X and see what it's doing
[07:52] <noaXess> Daskreech: ok..
[07:52] <Daskreech> but you can always ask in #bash
[07:52] <Daskreech> They will give you an answer and a cursing :)
[07:52] <noaXess> Daskreech: ah.. yes.. that was the channel ... grrr.. don't remember.. grrr
[07:52] <Daskreech> they are pretty harsh but never fail to give you something useful
[07:55] <noaXess> Daskreech: i know.. was there times ago.. will try my luck there.. but anyway.. thanks a lot
[07:57] <Daskreech> noaXess: I don't think it's much to do with luck. You'll get an answer
[07:58] <noaXess> yeah
[08:02] <jemand> Hi, since I did the normal Update 2 days ago FLASH doesn't work anymore.
[08:02] <jemand> Any idea?
[08:15] <S74rk7> Daskreech: Once again fine sir... Mucho respect - the pulse packages I installed earlier will let me configure my sound to HDMI output - gonna test it on my TV shortly!... :)  Many thanks 8)
[08:31] <krystofurr> Hi all. I have a question on how to move the panel at the bottom to the top of the screen.
[11:01] <TheKro> quick question: I know the latest stable version of google chrome is 10.0.648.204 .  But I have 5.0.375.127, and apt-get update says nothing about nuwe version. can this be because I'm still running lucid LTS?  How do I find out if this is an issue with my updates, or if 5.0.375.127 is the latest version to ship for lucid?
[11:01] <TheKro> s/nuwe/ a new/
[11:03] <Tex-Twil> hello, I have problems reading a partition image create with dd : http://pastebin.com/eRcg6JCT
[11:46] <noaXess_kubuntu> hey all
[11:47] <noaXess_kubuntu> i hae problems since upgrade to 10.10 with microphone. it doesn't work.. have waited for some kernel updates tht maybe fix that.. but still same problem..
[11:48] <Jonii> Does anyone know where to ask about how to tweak kde mouse behavior?
[11:48] <noaXess_kubuntu> audio controller.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/585331/
[11:49] <noaXess_kubuntu> details of audio controller.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/585332/
[11:53] <bloodsmith> Good morning! Wondering if anyone would know of any good free webspace sites out there. I need a place to stash my pictures until I find my USB drive...
[11:54] <bloodsmith> I've browsed google already, but I want a server that someone already has dealings with and could give me a good report on.
[11:54] <Jonii> Also, does anyone know why on kubuntu-installed-on-top-of-ubuntu konsole opens every link using konqueror, even though firefox is set as default browser
[11:55] <kujules> I upgrade to the newest firefox and now miss the mplayer plugin, anyboy knows how to install that plugin? (mplayer package is already installed) thank you
[11:56] <noaXess_kubuntu> kujules: maybe dpkg-reconfigure mplayer? or the plugin it self?
[11:57] <kujules> sorry, dpkg? what is this? i am a new user
[11:58] <noaXess_kubuntu> here are more informatino about my audio device, maybe someone can give a hint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/585334/
[11:59] <noaXess_kubuntu> kujules: hm.. have you ever used command line? konsole?
[11:59] <kujules> sometimes.. via terminal.. okie
[12:00] <noaXess_kubuntu> kujules: you can try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mplayer, but maybe search befor in google for a answer... cause i don't use mplayer plugin in ff
[12:02] <kujules> nothing happens.. what plug should i install for watching divx? before i upgrade to ff 4.0 i was able to watch many vids/movies
[12:03] <noaXess_kubuntu> kujules: hmm.. maybe vlc?
[12:09] <kujules> okie thank you.. hopefully problems will resolved by themselves one day :D
[12:15] <Jonii> Also, it is possible to hide windows from other virtual desktops from bottom panel?
[12:40] <noaXess_kubuntu> hey all.. may mic problem.. still exists.. and i booted fomr ubuntu 10.10 live cd.. and there the mic works fine.. ???? just in my current kubuntu 10.10 install not.. any hint?
[13:39] <jimmy51_> hello, what are some recommendations for an email/calendar client that will work well with Exchange 2010?
[15:19] <lotutu> how to configure brightness in kubuntu?
[15:20] <giovana> humm + -
[15:20] <lotutu> I can configure brightness in gnome-desktop with the power-manager, however kubuntu doesn't work
[15:21] <giovana> yes ?
[15:21] <giovana> ???
[15:23] <giovana> sim
[15:43] <marxjohnson> Hmm I logged in just now for the first time today, got an error from ConsoleKit (somthing about setuid?) then once the desktop had loaded I got a message saying all my sound devices had been disconnected (I use onboard sound)
[15:45] <marxjohnson> I installed some updates yesterday, is that likely to be connected?
[15:48] <marxjohnson> ah, sounds like updates had trouble http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705223
[16:11] <dustin_> hmm, when you wanna edit a file whats the command -edit a sources file from the terminal its like gkedit or something i forget anyone remember?
[16:16] <marxjohnson> dustin_: are you after a command-line editor, or do you want to open a file in a GUI editor from the command line?
[16:16] <marxjohnson> nano provides the former, kate provides the latter
[16:19] <dustin_> heheh i got it now i guess :)
[16:20] <dustin_> thank you marx
[16:29] <dustin_> brb marx
[16:29] <dustin_> need a fresh restart
[16:33] <dustin_> !tor
[16:43] <rosco_y> Why can't I pipe the output of a "find . | grep filename" command into an "ls -l" command?
[16:43] <rosco_y> (i.e:   "find . | grep thisFile | ls -l ")
[16:58] <dexhu> hello
[16:58] <genii-around> rosco_y: Try instead: ls -l `find . | grep thisFile`
[16:58] <dexhu> WHAT APPLICATION do I use to use to UPGADE Kubuntu to latest version
[16:59] <dexhu> UGRADE
[16:59] <dexhu> UPGRADE
[17:00] <dexhu> I'm a NOVICE
[17:03] <dexhu> WHAT APPLICATION do I use to use to UPGRADE Kubuntu to latest version? HELP!
[17:03] <genii-around> dexhu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade -p
[17:03] <genii-around> dexhu: From in konsole
[17:05] <dexhu> OK THANKS Gen
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[17:53] <Guest76961> greetings
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> when firefox will be available for kubuntu 10.10 in a normal update?
[17:56] <marxjohnson> phoenix_firebrd: I'd guess it wont be, your best bet is to use the PPA
[17:56] <marxjohnson> in the past there haven't been major Fx updates between releases
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> marxjohnson: is it just for 11.04
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> marxjohnson: is there any specific reason for this?
[17:58] <marxjohnson> The PPA is for 10.04 and 10.10 I think
[17:58] <marxjohnson> I dont know the exact reason, other than no other software is updated between releases, so it's nothing special about Fx
[17:59] <shravan> well my usb transfer sppeds are unbelievably slow in my kubuntu10.10... cant figure out wat to do.. im a newbie to linux.
[17:59] <shravan> and i havent quite got this chat figured out yet.
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> marxjohnson: ok. thanks buddy
[18:00] <shravan> well my usb transfer sppeds are unbelievably slow in my kubuntu10.10... cant figure out wat to do.. im a newbie to linux.
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: what is your usb version?
[18:02] <shravan> my laptop is usb 3.0 enabled..
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: how much data transfer speed are you getting?
[18:03] <shravan> starts at good speed... in seconds it becomes 2.3 mbps or lesser
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> do you mean a file transfer speed?
[18:04] <shane4ubuntu> digikam not installed by default?
[18:05] <shane4ubuntu> what is the photo app for kubuntu?  organizer or whatever it is called if it isn't digicam?
[18:05] <shravan> yeah... i transferred a 1.7 Gib file that took me ten mins or so..
[18:05] <shane4ubuntu> brb time for lunch.
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: what are the two file systems?
[18:06] <shravan> umm  wat does that mean?
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: ntfs or ext4 ?
[18:06] <shravan> ok how do i find out?
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: sudo fdisk -l
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: run the above command in a terminal
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: when aqsked for the password enter it
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: the terminal wont show the charectors entered when you enter the password
[18:08] <shravan> yeah got it
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> correction ->characters
[18:09] <shravan> it shows hpfs/ntfs
[18:09] <shravan> does thatanswer ur qestn?
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: can you try transfering any file from a ext4 file system
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: and check the speed
[18:10] <shravan> how do i do that now?
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: copy any a file from your home directory
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: assuming your root file system is ext4
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: one more thing
[18:13] <shravan> yeah?
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: did you check your bios for any usb settings?
[18:14] <shravan> umm no... i dont even kno wat that means
[18:15] <shravan> ohk i tried copying a file from my 'home'... but stll getting 3.1 mbps
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: i have to check to see if kubuntu supports usb 3.0 well
[18:17] <shravan> wait i dont get such slow speeds in windows so i dont think bios settings is the problm
[18:17] <Guest52178> shravan: are you sure your usb kabel is 3.0 and not 2.0?
[18:17] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: usb3 has been supported since Karmic Koala
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: does kubuntu support usb 3.0 well. shravan is getting a very low data transfer speed
[18:18] <shravan> its a pen drive and i dunno if its 2.0 or 3.0... i just kno that my laptop can handle usb 3.0
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: ok
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: omg
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: ha ha ha
[18:19] <shravan> umm wats funny?
[18:19] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd:  Sorry, I couldn't tell you.  My system does have USB 3.0 but I've never used it.  I have no USB 3.0 devices.
[18:19] <Guest52178> ok, if it's a pendrive then no usb 3
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: i assumbed that it was 3.0
[18:19] <Guest52178> no not he pendrive
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: ok
[18:19] <shravan> ohk.. maybe that was dumb.. :P
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52178: thats not true
[18:20] <Guest52178> your motherboard may support 3.0 but your pendrive is prob 2.0
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest52178: usb 3.0 pen drives are available now
[18:20] <shravan> i dint know pendrives couldnt be 3.0
[18:20] <genii-around> If you do: lsmod | grep xhci     then the 3.0 driver is loaded
[18:21] <genii-around> ( if it shows as there )
[18:22] <shravan> ohk am i supposed to b doin anything?
[18:23] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: nope
[18:24] <shravan> ok... so is there anything i can do to set this ryt?
[18:25] <Guest52178> shravan: if you could borrow someone's external hdd, which is 3.0 and test on your pc?
[18:26] <shravan> ohk gimme a min
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: set what right?. If you mean the speed, i think that is speed offered by your device. check your device tech specs
[18:28] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: sample spec http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=107&LangNo=0&Func1No=1&Func2No=76
[18:29] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: it says maximum write speed for a 512 mb flash drive is 2 mbps
[18:30] <phoenix_firebrd> shravan: got to go now. bye
[18:35] <shravan> well no go on the the 3.0 exthard drive but i manged t get a 2.0 hard drive
[18:36] <Guest52178> ok
[18:36] <Guest52178> you will prob get gihger speeds with the extern hdd than with the pendrive
[18:41] <shravan> yes i did... 23 mbps
[18:41] <Guest52178> ok
[18:41] <Guest52178> that is pretty nice for your usb 2 extern hdd
[18:43] <mren> hi, after the latest updates flash isn't working in Firefox properly, a reinstall fixed it for some sites (e.g. youtube) but not for others (e.g. Google Maps); any ideas?
[19:19] <joeb_> hi all .. anyone got netflix running in virtualbox and if so how is the video quality .. im tired of boot into windows just to watch a movie
[19:22] <dustin_> this there a GUI client of sorts that allows you to do things in ROOT i forget again im sure or semi sure but can't remember the name of it so could someone help me quick?
[20:08] <dustin_> anyone availible for some much needed help?
[20:08] <DarthFrog> !ask
[20:16] <genii-around> dustin_: eg: Describe your problem specifically to the channel
[20:21] <dustin_> im trying to open and edite a program "openarena and i downloaded a patch for it that needs to be unzipped to the original folder" as well problem is i need ROOT to do it and i forgot the program or name of the program that will alllow me to do this
[20:23] <genii-around> sudo for command-line stuff and kdesudo for graphical ones in KDE
[20:23] <genii-around> eg: sudo nano somefiletoedit     or  kdesudo kate somefiletoedit
[20:36] <shane4ubuntu> Aaaahhh, Google Chrome just ate my passwords????  What is up with that?
[20:54] <dustin_> thanks geni
[20:55] <dustin_> im on unbuntu thou not kubuntu thou :(
[20:57] <daniel> hi
[20:58] <dustin_> i mean geni i need to move some files around and to the specified folder but need root enabled :) if you still there
[21:05] <genii-around> dustin_: sudo mv file-you-need-moved /path/to/move/it/to
[21:06] <dustin_> aint there a way to do it through GUI?
[21:08] <genii-around> dustin_: Since you're on ubuntu and not kubuntu: gksudo nautilus
[21:08] <genii-around> dustin_: Ubuntu specific help is usually in #ubuntu , so you know
[21:09] <dustin_> sorry, ya my bad i ask there but they never have much time to help it seems like all you folks always answer me and explain in detail more clearer :) thank the clam version worked
[21:09] <dustin_> 1min
[21:14] <sourcemaker> how can I sync kontact with google?
[21:15] <sourcemaker> I have installed the akonadi-kde-resource-googledata already, but it does not work
[21:15] <shane4ubuntu> dual-screen how to take a screenshot of just one of those monitors?  I get both
[21:17] <shane4ubuntu> wow, am I asking hard questions today?  :)
[21:19] <gomiboy> shane4ubuntu: note everybody has dualscreen, not everybody takes screenshots: cut the images with the gimp :P
[21:19] <shane4ubuntu> gomiboy: understood, I was thinking there was an easy way to take a screen shot of a specific app though, what ever app was being used.
[21:19] <dustin_>  lemme know if any of you know alot about tork/tor clients i could use that alot talk to you all in afew and again thank you folks
[21:20] <shane4ubuntu> that is like the third question today with no replies.
[21:21] <gomiboy> shane4ubuntu: yes, for a single app ksnapshot can do it
[21:21] <shane4ubuntu> gomiboy: thanks!
[21:40] <shane4ubuntu> Oh, my other question was what is the default photo manager for kubuntu?  I thought digicam was the kde photo managing program?
[21:43] <tsimpson> shane4ubuntu: should be gwenview last time I checked
[21:43] <tsimpson> and even though it starts with a 'g', it's a KDE app ;)
[21:45] <Torch> shane4ubuntu: digikam for the managing, gwenview for quick browsing
[21:46] <gomiboy> shane4ubuntu: depends on what you intend for "photo manager". For example i "manage" my photos moving them in folders with dolphin... but yes, digikam is another good candidate :)
[21:47] <tsimpson> is digicam installed by default? I don't think it is
[21:47] <Torch> i don't think so either, but it's only a few clicks away
[21:48] <tsimpson> so it's not "the default photo manager" :)
[21:48] <Torch> right ;-)
[21:48] <Torch> but gwenview isn't a "photo manager" at all, so the answer would be "there is no default" ;-))
[21:50] <tsimpson> well it's almost like a specialized dolphin, for images
[21:50] <tsimpson> but it's generally good enough for viewing images/photos/whatever
[21:51] <shane4ubuntu> I'm surprised that digikam wasn't already installed though, not a big deal, just kind of surprised.
[21:52] <shane4ubuntu> I do like gwenview for the quick view, that works fine for that.
[21:53] <tsimpson> it would be installed, but it's part of koffice and koffice is not considered "ready" yet
[21:53] <tsimpson> or maybe I'm thinking of something else...
[21:54] <Torch> tsimpson: how would digikam be related to koffice, though?
[21:54] <tsimpson> yeah, I was thinking of kritta
[21:54] <Torch> tsimpson: i see ;-)
[21:55] <tsimpson> digikam may be a little advanced for the default install, considering we'd probably have to remove something else to put it on there
[21:55] <tsimpson> (CD size constrains what is default installed)
[21:56] <Torch> it's also rather big, AFAIK
[21:56] <shane4ubuntu> kritta?  I think I installed that
[21:56] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, that would explain it being excluded, didn't realize that.
[21:57] <shane4ubuntu> keep the cd size, I can easily download the various add ons I use.
[21:58] <tsimpson> it's apparently ~30M, so yeah
[21:59] <shane4ubuntu> ok is there a Google support irc?  Google chrome ate all my stored passwords in preferences, password manager thing, it is now empty!
[21:59] <shane4ubuntu> was it a google bug that didn't get fed enough?
[22:01] <heavy_soft> hello ppl
[22:01] <ubuntu> hello
[22:01] <tsimpson> shane4ubuntu: not that I can see, at least not on freenode
[22:02] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks all!
[22:02] <heavy_soft> am askin about kwin in kde 4.6.1 it freez yet !! or bug fixed ?
[22:03] <Torch> heavy_soft: you're experiencing hard freezes and you wonder if kwin is to blame for that?
[22:05] <heavy_soft> the problem in kde 4.6.1 was reported to kwin it's not me who say taht !
[22:05] <Torch> heavy_soft: do you have a kde bug number?
[22:06] <heavy_soft> no :/
[22:07] <heavy_soft> but searching in goole in found the same prob reported
[22:07] <heavy_soft> for exemple here http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=93008
[22:08] <mu3en> is there a channel for natty devel?
[22:10] <Torch> heavy_soft: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=266182 is mentioned there
[22:10] <Torch> heavy_soft: and it's not fixes and martin graesslin marked another bug as duplicate this week
[22:12] <Torch> heavy_soft: so all in all this does not look good. if it's really this bug you're hitting.
[22:12] <heavy_soft> so it's not fixed on kde 4.6.1 ! coz the problem waz reported for kde 4.6
[22:12] <Torch> heavy_soft: not all bugs get fixed as soon as they are reported, unfortunately.
[22:13] <tsimpson> mu3en: #kubuntu-devel for development, #ubuntu+1 for support
[22:13] <heavy_soft> ok ty Torch
[22:14] <mu3en> tsimpson. thanks, heading over.
[22:24] <lolmac32> hello there, how do i make my wireless adapter in my notebook to work|?
[22:29] <marxjohnson> lolmac32: I'm no expert, but I can give a few pointers
[22:29] <lolmac32> thanks
[22:30] <marxjohnson> if you press Alt+F2 it should bring up a run dialogue
[22:30] <marxjohnson> if you type "additional" in there, it should show "Additional Drivers" with an icon
[22:30] <marxjohnson> click on that
[22:31] <marxjohnson> it should prompt for your password
[22:33] <marxjohnson> with me so far?
[22:36] <doctoras_> тут есть кто
[22:36] <doctoras_> ?
[23:35] <_sophia> still haven't gotten my headphones to work. Can I have some more help with it today? :)
[23:47] <lrussell> hi, I have a few questions about kubuntu
[23:49] <marxjohnson> go on
[23:49] <lrussell> what are the minium system requirements
[23:49] <lrussell> I cant find them
[23:49] <_sophia> i think it's on the main site?
[23:50] <lrussell> will 256 mb of ram work?
[23:50] <marxjohnson> That'd be a stretch with KDE I reckon
[23:50] <lrussell> :/
[23:50] <marxjohnson> Xubuntu or Lubuntu might be a better choice
[23:51] <lrussell> xbuntu i had to use the alternative to install and it was too slow... and lubuntu i cant even get install to start
[23:51] <lrussell> I tried them
[23:52] <lrussell> but they should work fine
[23:52] <lrussell> I have more than 192 mb of ram
[23:53] <marxjohnson> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements That lists for Ubuntu (Kubuntu should be similar) Xubuntu and Ubuntu Netbook
[23:53] <marxjohnson> I'm afraid I cant help with X or L problems
[23:53] <lrussell> :/
[23:54] <marxjohnson> did you try their channels/forums?
[23:54] <lrussell> I have an HP Pavilion ze4900 laptop
[23:54] <lrussell> from 04
[23:55] <lrussell> not very new
[23:55] <marxjohnson> indeed
[23:55] <lrussell> it is my newest pc though.,, :/
[23:56] <lrussell> i still have a pc from 96 and another from 01
[23:56] <lrussell> xD
[23:56] <marxjohnson> Crunchbang might do the job? I believe it's fairly lightweight
[23:56] <marxjohnson> I know people who use it and say good things about it
[23:57] <lrussell> will it support wifi and all of the regular ubuntu apps
[23:58] <marxjohnson> It's based on Debian now, not Ubuntu, but most of the packages available for Ubuntu are available for Debian too
[23:58] <marxjohnson> It uses APT too
[23:58] <marxjohnson> Wifi support depends on the chipset your laptop uses really
[23:58] <lrussell> so what site would be good for software? or does it have an app store thing
[23:59] <lrussell> well, my card is supported with ubuntu, xubuntu, and kubuntu
[23:59] <marxjohnson> it uses APT, like Ubuntu does. It doesn't have the software center though
[23:59] <lrussell> where would i get software?
[23:59] <marxjohnson> do you have to install restricted drivers under Ubuntu or does it work out of the box?
[23:59] <lrussell> out of the box