[00:00] <kristian_> low-end 2007 desktop
[00:00] <Unit193> Dusting/blowing it out may help
[00:00] <kristian_> it keeps dying on me
[00:00] <kristian_> Unit193, did that
[00:00] <kristian_> next step is disassembling GPU and looking it over.... and check for bulged thingies
[00:01] <aetherian> when you say low-end
[00:02] <aetherian> uhh
[00:02] <kristian_> I mean the cheapest I could find... 1 gig of ram, 3.2 ghz (I think)
[00:02] <kristian_> SiS, Foxconn... that kind of stuff
[00:02] <aetherian> oh definitely
[00:03] <aetherian> lubuntu should run fine on that
[00:03] <aetherian> nice and fast
[00:03] <kristian_> yup
[00:03] <kristian_> but is it less likely to overheat, do you think?
[00:03] <aetherian> 'long as you don't make a habit of doing fork bombs
[00:03] <kristian_> huh?
[00:03] <aetherian> ...nothing
[00:05] <aetherian> but, well, if I had a 1GB ram computer, I'd probably not run lubuntu myself
[00:06] <kristian_> it should be fine... I've ran it on 500 megs and I'm running it on 1.5 gigs now
[00:07] <aetherian> I should test min specs of it
[00:08] <aetherian> I run it on this computer, a gaming laptop, which has sweet specs.
[00:08] <aetherian> so it works A-OK on good computers :)
[00:09] <kristian_> would anyone know a good app/desklet thing for gmail and google calendar?
[00:17] <MrChrisDruif> kristian_: I just use it in my webbrowser
[00:18] <MrChrisDruif> But I'm off...sleep well y'all
[00:18] <kristian_> see ya
[00:19] <Unit193> kristian_: Not the most lightweight, thunderbird+lightning
[00:20] <kristian_> I'm thinking of something to add to my menu bar perhaps
[00:21] <aguenter> hello
[00:21] <aetherian> ehh
[00:21] <Unit193> Hello aguenter
[00:21] <aetherian> links is the best web browser :o
[00:21] <aguenter> got a bit of a problem, anyone mind trying to help me? :(
[00:23] <aetherian> no
[00:23] <aguenter> smbd is either dead or livelocking during boot while trying to mount some cifs mounts that aren't available, and I can't do a damn thing except reboot
[00:24] <aetherian> um
[00:24] <aetherian> you can't uninstall it?
[00:24] <aguenter> uninstall what?
[00:24] <aguenter> it's during boot
[00:24] <aguenter> I can't even get a shell
[00:24] <aetherian> nevermind, it was a joke
[00:24] <aguenter> lol
[00:24] <aetherian> I'd, personally, boot into a live usb and delete whatever's causing problems
[00:24] <aguenter> yeah, that's the plan...but
[00:25] <aguenter> this shouldn't happen, right?
[00:25] <aguenter> smbd shouldn't block indefinitely
[03:47] <bioterror> huh, whole screen is conky
[03:47] <bioterror> I had to check scrollback ;)
[08:34] <Mndrll> Hi
[08:35] <Mndrll> hey guys, i have a laptop were i just install lubuntu 10.10 and everything works nice...
[08:36] <Mndrll> now i am trying to decide between lubuntu or ubuntu (gnome) for my desktop
[08:36] <Mndrll> any advice??
[08:36] <Mndrll> i know lubuntu is a light weighted interface
[08:37] <bioterror> we cant make decission for you
[08:37] <Mndrll> but does anyone uses it on a desktop???
[08:37] <bioterror> me?
[08:38] <Mndrll> and is it stable
[08:38] <bioterror> yes
[08:38] <Mndrll> mmmm..
[08:38] <Mndrll>  any problem so far with anything__
[08:38] <Mndrll> ??
[08:39] <Mndrll> im sorry im kinda new on linux
[08:39] <Mndrll> thats why im asking so much
[08:39] <Mndrll> well....  ill try it...
[08:39] <emce_PL> every laptop is different, has other parts, etc
[08:40] <emce_PL> so - ask if anyonehas just like yours
[08:40] <Mndrll> on my laptop is working just fine..
[08:40] <emce_PL> on mine - either
[08:40] <Mndrll>  but i now it is meant to be light weighted for that purpose
[08:41] <bioterror> the only difference is desktop, everything beneath is same with ubuntu
[08:41] <Mndrll> but using it for heavy duty things... its what im wondering if it works fine
[08:41] <bioterror> if you dont like lubuntu on desktop, you can always install ubuntu-desktop meta package and remove lubuntu
[08:41] <bioterror> #define heavy duty things
[08:42] <Mndrll> ohh ok, so it has nothing to do with the resources linux uses, its just interface thing
[08:42] <Mndrll> oh and by heavy duty i mean 3D rendering
[08:43] <emce_PL> you SHOULD use lubuntu, cause it low resource - and You need it more
[08:44] <Mndrll> ok but it is just an interface thing right__
[08:44] <Mndrll> ???
[08:44] <bioterror> interfaces, daemons, tools
[08:44] <Mndrll> cause i have been using  (sorry guys) windows XP 64, cause its really stable
[08:45] <Mndrll> but now im becoming proOpen source
[08:45] <Mndrll> lol
[08:45] <bioterror> just becouse I use GNU/Linux, it doesnt mean that I hate Windows
[08:45] <bioterror> I booted yesterday to windows and flashed my phone ;)
[08:46] <Mndrll> i understand actually i wont stop using it until there is a good software that replaces after effects and photoshop
[08:46] <Mndrll> lol, well guys, i think i will try Lubuntu to see how everything works
[08:46] <emce_PL> it's the best idea :)
[08:47] <Mndrll> thanks for the advices!! ill let you know how it go!
[08:47] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:47] <Mndrll> ok ready to format!
[08:47] <bioterror> nothing is going to replace photoshop
[08:47] <Mndrll> see you later!!!!
[08:47] <bioterror> but I can deal with GIMP
[08:47] <bioterror> as I need only to tweak curves and resize photos ;)
[08:47] <Mndrll> i have used it but i dont like it!
[08:47] <Mndrll> lol
[08:48] <Mndrll> well yeah
[08:48] <Mndrll>  ill send you some links of the things i have done if i manage to install everything correctly!
[08:48] <Mndrll> thanks guys..
[08:48] <Mndrll>  talk later
[08:48] <bioterror> there's software that's close to LR
[08:48] <bioterror> but nothing like LR at all tbqh
[08:48] <Mndrll> ;)
[08:51] <Mndrll> hey guys, one more question...
[08:52] <Mndrll> have anyone used a Virtual Machine on lubuntu???  and how it works...??
[08:52] <Mndrll> either VirtualBox or VMware??
[08:54] <emce_PL> Virtualbox works perfect
[08:54] <Mndrll> and what OS did you install on it??
[08:55] <Mndrll> Windows 7??
[08:55] <emce_PL> any :)
[08:55] <emce_PL> I have at least 12 OS's
[08:55] <Mndrll> .... ok
[08:56] <Mndrll> well im out... have formatting to do!
[11:25] <emce_PL> hey - quick question - do you have icon of network-manager in natty?
[11:28] <szczur> hmm, it should be there. however i didn't try natty livecd yet
[17:15] <Mndrll> hey does the version of lubuntu 10.10 have support for 64 bit?
[17:19] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: You can't download a iso with Lubuntu 10.10 amd64, but with the mini-iso and the instructions you should be able to make it though :)
[17:20] <MrChrisDruif> Natty (11.04) is planned to have a 64 version downloadable
[17:30] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, thanks, but can you explain a little bit?
[17:30] <MrChrisDruif> I'll try to find the instructions :)
[17:31] <Mndrll> i mean, i have been reading.. i found the mini-iso things but i really dont get how does it works.. i mean i have to install it instead of the normal Iso version??
[17:32] <Mndrll> i comes with less things? or what?
[17:32] <Mndrll> im installing lubuntu on my desktop machine but its a Quad with 8gb Ram...
[17:32] <MrChrisDruif> Found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[17:33] <Mndrll> ok ill read
[17:34] <MrChrisDruif> What is going on: you install a VERY minimal version of Ubuntu, you'll add a ppa to install Lubuntu GUI and then install it
[17:34] <MrChrisDruif> You can switch this "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop" for "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[17:35] <MrChrisDruif> That page is written to make a minimal install, but seeing you have a quad with 8GB of RAM, you can install everything no problem :)
[17:36] <Mndrll> ohh ok so ill have to install it from scratch..
[17:36] <MrChrisDruif> That --no-install-recommends withholds all "recommended" but not necessary software :)
[17:37] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: Well, that mini-iso installs a decent base (which you can make into practically any version (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Server)) and you only need to add an extra source and let the lubuntu-desktop meta-package do it's thing :)
[17:39] <Mndrll> oh ok
[17:40] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: You understand what I mean?
[17:41] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, yes i did, but, i have a lot to read, thanks a lot!!
[17:41] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif,  i have to be sure of what im doing
[17:42] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: Are you coming from Windows? :)
[17:43] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, kind of.... i have being using also OpenSuse
[17:43] <Mndrll> but i have never got to install things like this....
[17:43] <Mndrll> i know a little (really little) about using the terminal
[17:44] <MrChrisDruif> Well, it's like a GUI, but with only text :D
[17:44] <Mndrll> ok, but it installs all the normal packages?
[17:44] <MrChrisDruif> GUI is only a graphical way of representing the chooses you have, most of the time also limited :D
[17:44] <Mndrll> ok ok
[17:45] <Mndrll> and the normal repos?
[17:45] <Mndrll> or just the basic ones and then ill have to install them?
[17:50] <MrChrisDruif> lubuntu-desktop isn't in the normal Ubuntu repos (yet, we're working hard on that), that is why you'd have to add the Personal P.... Archive, which is an extra repository. That sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop installs all the normal applications :)
[17:52] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, sorry for being bothering so much.... if you can help me while im doing the installation will be great!
[17:53] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: Sure, but I'm heating my dinner also so don't expect the fastest responds :P
[17:53] <MrChrisDruif> And no problem :)
[17:53] <Mndrll> lol
[17:53] <Mndrll> its ok!
[17:53] <stlsaint> install of lubuntu?
[17:54] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, thanks let me boot my laptop to start
[17:54] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint: lubuntu 64 bit :)
[17:55] <stlsaint> nice
[17:56] <Mndrll> yeap..
[17:57] <Mndrll> i have lubuntu on my laptop it works nice... so i just want to install it on my desktop
[17:58] <MrChrisDruif> I suggested to him to switch sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop with sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop as he's not interested in a minimal install, but 64bit (from thist link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)
[18:03] <Mndrll> brb
[18:04] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint: was it a good call of me to remove the --no-install-recommends for Mndrll?
[18:05] <gchan_> ok im ready now
[18:07] <MrChrisDruif> Go for it Mndrll :)
[18:10] <Mndrll> ok so that mini-iso is something i have to download first?
[18:12] <stlsaint> MrChrisDruif: not sure that command really makes the install a minimal
[18:12] <Mndrll> mmmm....
[18:13] <Mndrll> interesting
[18:13] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: Yes :)
[18:13] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint: As Mndrll is looking for a 64 version instead of minimal, that's why I suggested it :)
[18:14] <stlsaint> is there no 64 bit iso to download?
[18:18] <MrChrisDruif> afaik not, plans are for natty and lucid
[18:23] <stlsaint> man i been away too long
[18:24] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint: didn't you read the mailing list? :)
[18:24] <stlsaint> been busy
[18:26] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: How's it going?
[18:28] <Mndrll> good...
[18:29] <Mndrll> now, i was reading and... isnt it the same thing to install Ubuntu with GNOME and then just sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop....???
[18:33] <stlsaint> no
[18:33] <stlsaint> the lubuntu desktop is lxde
[18:33] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint: no?
[18:33] <stlsaint> doing install lubuntu-desktop will not get you a lubuntu system
[18:34] <Mndrll> ok i think i missexplain...
[18:34] <MrChrisDruif> I will be a lot less messy if you install the mini iso and lubuntu-desktop
[18:35] <Mndrll> i am using Lubuntu for my laptop, i think its really fast and its meant for themç
[18:35] <Mndrll> but on my desktop, i just want the LXDE interface
[18:35] <Mndrll>  that i like it a lot
[18:36] <stlsaint> ok than in that case lubuntu-desktop should work
[18:36] <Mndrll> well i wont install a mini iso, i will install the complete Ubuntu 64 version
[18:36] <Mndrll> and then just change the GUI
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: it will work, but you'll get a lot of apps you don't normally have in Lubuntu
[18:36] <stlsaint> its called changing your desktop environment
[18:37] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed...
[18:37] <Mndrll> but those apps are good for a daily workstation arent they?
[18:37] <stlsaint> yep
[18:38] <Mndrll> awesome!
[18:38] <MrChrisDruif> As LXDE (Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment) is more lightweight, it's useful on more older systems. But it's not MEANT on any particular system...that's what Mac OS X is for ;)
[18:40] <Mndrll> lol
[18:54] <Mndrll> thanks guys!
[18:56] <MrChrisDruif> It worked Mndrll?
[18:56] <Mndrll> working on it
[18:57] <Mndrll> ill let you know for sure guys!
[18:57] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome Mndrll :)
[19:55] <shuttle> hi
[19:56] <MrChrisDruif> Hai shuttle :)
[19:56] <MrChrisDruif> Mndrll: Still going strong?
[19:57] <shuttle> its my first time using lubuntu and i got some questions
[19:57] <shuttle> is there any (german) website where i can find some answers
[19:58] <shuttle> like switching desktops from keyboard, installing firefox and so on?
[20:00] <MrChrisDruif> Installing software isn't to hard, just go to synaptic and find if it's there. If not, try to find a deb or even better ppa which has your software :)
[20:00] <MrChrisDruif> About the german site: I'm asking someone I know if he knows any...
[20:01] <shuttle> thx
[20:02] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't there something like ubuntu.de or ubuntu-de.org or something? Otherwise wiki.ubuntu.com, help.ubuntu.com, askubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.com(??) are good places to search :)
[20:02] <MrChrisDruif> Other then google ofcourse :)
[20:02] <shuttle> k thx
[20:03] <shuttle> im a linux noob just used mint because no need to install anything
[20:03] <shuttle> can i install all software for ubuntu on lubuntu?
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[20:03] <shuttle> and where do i get viruses
[20:03] <MrChrisDruif> It used the default repos of Ubuntu...
[20:04] <MrChrisDruif> shuttle: You WANT viruses? =-O
[20:04] <shuttle> dont want to :)
[20:04] <shuttle> synaptic seems safe, is it right?
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> Synaptic only uses the repos of Ubuntu, so it's safe :)
[20:05] <shuttle> installing over terminal by downloading from web seems unsafe
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> ....you can add your own PPA, but be sure to only use trusted sources :)
[20:05] <shuttle> and whats PPA?
[20:06] <NRWlion> there was a german asked for?
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> How do you mean shuttle?
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it was I ;)
[20:06] <NRWlion> whats the matter?
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> shuttle: NRWlion knows a bit of German, maybe it's easier in your own language?
[20:07] <shuttle> i asked for german lubuntu sites where i can find a introduce
[20:07] <NRWlion> shuttle, you know how querry / pm work on irc?
[20:08] <shuttle> yes
[20:08] <MrChrisDruif> And ppa is Personal Package(?) Archive, it's where developers can put new(er) software in and update it without waiting for Ubuntu to update their stuff :)
[20:08] <NRWlion> then hit me ;) maybe i can get you some introduce
[20:09] <shuttle> k thx
[20:13] <Mndrll> everything is ok
[20:13] <Mndrll> brb
[20:14] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif, i talked to shuttle and he wants to know a way to switch desktops via keyboard. i told him the possibility of "Desktop-Pager" for taskbar. maybe you can help out?
[20:14] <MrChrisDruif> Desktop-pager, never heard of it :)
[20:16] <NRWlion> those little two buttons on the taskbar when you are on gui
[20:16] <shuttle> i see
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> NRWlion: Still not installed Lubuntu ;) but doesn't CRTL+ALT+arrow key work?
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> left and right in this case?
[20:17] <shuttle> crtl alt works
[20:17] <NRWlion> works. tried it
[20:17] <shuttle> is it possible to change?
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> I would think it would, no way to search myself, but I believe there is some Preferences menu somewhere...
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> Should also hold Keyboard Shortcuts
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> Or something like that :P
[20:20] <NRWlion> i am out here ^^ to much newbie myself ;)
[20:21] <MrChrisDruif> Using Ubuntu myself....I *will* also install Lubuntu natty :D
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> In dual-boot...
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> So just over a month I'll go dual-boot
[20:22] <NRWlion> i am totally fine with lubuntu
[20:22] <NRWlion> dont need the big brother
[20:24] <shuttle> seems like the desktop-page isnt active
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> How do you mean shuttle?
[20:29] <shuttle> by clickin only switches to first desktop
[20:30] <shuttle> number of desktop dont works too
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> Right-clicking to change?
[20:30] <shuttle> panel-settings is grey
[20:30] <shuttle> pager-settings
[20:32] <shuttle> now it works
[20:32] <shuttle> by editing in the openbox-config
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...
[20:33] <shuttle> ok
[20:33] <shuttle> thx for the help
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome shuttle :)
[20:36] <NRWlion> shuttle MrChrisDruif is the man around here ;) he also helped me out and now i am part of this community here ;)
[20:37]  * MrChrisDruif hides in a cave
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> gilir is way more up ;) he's head of dev
[20:38] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[20:38] <shuttle> xfce4-settings seems the right to change the keyboardbindings
[20:38] <kosaidpo|> idk why i dont have .autostat file  can i make one witohut facing any problem
[20:42] <shuttle> thx again
[20:42] <shuttle> cu
[20:42] <NRWlion> cu shuttle
[21:05] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[21:05] <kosaidpo|> cant make apache2 stop fom lunchin durin boot : [
[21:06] <kosaidpo|> i did update-rc.d -f apache remove but  it didnt work
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know kosaidpo| :)
[21:08] <kosaidpo|> it doesnt seem to work in either ways : [ MrChrisDruif  tnx
[21:08] <kosaidpo|> btw icant find my .autostart file in my home
[21:08] <kosaidpo|> any idea
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Nope...mind is shutting down it seems...
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> clearness is loosing :P
[21:09] <NRWlion> so with me :( sorry
[21:10] <kosaidpo|> guys icant make one cus i idid n put it in .config/openbox/.autostart but it didnt wok : P
[23:41] <Mndrll> hey guys everything works prefect!!
[23:41] <Mndrll> thanks to all
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome Mndrll :D
[23:42] <MrChrisDruif> Good that I didn't leave just yet :P
[23:42] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, thanks a lot!
[23:42] <Mndrll> lol
[23:42] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome Mndrll :)
[23:42] <Mndrll> :)
[23:42] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I was about too leave Mndrll ;)
[23:42] <Mndrll> MrChrisDruif, well, take care see you around!
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, thanks and indeed: see you around :) (Btw, we've got a team area @ #lubuntu-offtopic :P)
[23:44] <Mndrll> oh great!
[23:44] <Mndrll> thanks
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)