[00:41] <storrgie> what is the package I need to install for 3d nvidia using nouveau?
[00:42] <storrgie> something like mesa-dir-expiremental
[00:42] <storrgie> i cant find it
[00:43] <bjsnider> libglu1-mesa-experimental
[00:43] <bjsnider> !info libglu1-mesa-experimental
[00:43] <storrgie> uh ohs
[00:43] <storrgie> i dont see it
[00:44] <bjsnider> !info libglu1-mesa-dri-experimental
[00:45] <bjsnider> !info libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[00:48] <storrgie> trying it now
[00:48] <storrgie> bjsnider, thanks, well see if it helps
[00:59] <Sonja> is it safe for average users to upgrade yet? :)
[01:00] <rww> no
[01:00] <Sonja> i must wait 4 weeks :)
[01:00] <reya276> Ubuntu 11.04 messed up my GRUB menu and now my Ubuntu 10.10 entry is not available. How can I fix this? Please help
[01:00] <Sonja> hehe
[01:00] <Sonja> now i see why :)
[01:18] <reya276> Ubuntu 11.04 messed up my GRUB menu and now my Ubuntu 10.10 entry is not available. How can I fix this? Please help
[01:19] <vivid> reya276, in terminal run 'sudo update-grub'
[01:20] <reya276> vivid, all is generating is what it changed it to
[01:20] <reya276> it removed my 10.10 entry
[01:21] <reya276> vivid, http://paste.ubuntu.com/585135/
[01:21] <vivid> reya276, the 'update-grub' utility will search for and add any existing operating systems to the grub boot list
[01:22] <mhall119> reya276: GRUB was properly configured after your initial install of natty, right?  It was after an update that this happened?
[01:23] <reya276> vivid, ok so why is not finding 10.10, it was there because that is how I downloaded the 11.04 version and prior to an update I just did like 30 mins ago it used to pick up 10.10 in grub but after this update bam gone
[01:24] <reya276> mhall119, yes it was working 100% correct and after this partial upgrade thing everything got messed up
[01:24] <vivid> reya276, maybe mhall119 knows why grub isnt working
[01:24] <mhall119> did you apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:24] <vivid> reya276, NEVER do partial upgrade
[01:24] <reya276> I used the update manager
[01:24] <mhall119> vivid: no, I was talking to him earlier
[01:25] <mhall119> I sent him here
[01:25] <reya276> I never use the terminal to upgrade because there is the update manager which pops-up so it said I had updates and that it was partial so I figured it was ok
[01:26] <vivid> my guess is that something is broken after the partial upgrade, its a common problem
[01:26] <reya276> so when you tell me never do partial upgrades which are coming from canonical/ubuntu that to me sounds crazy, put yourself in my position
[01:26] <vivid> that will not happen on a production release reya276
[01:27] <vivid> it means that people are uploading new packages and arent finished yet
[01:27] <reya276> at this point I can care less about 11.04 right now I just want my 10.10 system back
[01:27] <vivid> and you cant boot into it?
[01:27] <vivid> do you have a live cd?
[01:28] <reya276> I can't boot in to it because it does not show on the Grub list so I have no means of selecting it
[01:28] <reya276> I have a USB
[01:28] <vivid> then you need to restore 10.10's grub install
[01:28] <vivid> using a livecd environment or something similar
[01:28] <reya276> How can I do that
[01:28] <vivid> get an ubuntu livecd or burn one to cd
[01:29] <vivid> then youll boot into that, and use it to restore maverick's grub
[01:29] <vivid> theres a walkthrough for it, let me see if i can find it
[01:30] <reya276> I understand what you mean by they are updating things but they should be careful when it comes to that. they ask us users to test it and then break the system. Not eveyone has two PC, Laptops laying around. I'm not trying to bitch but just saying that they should try not to do things like that
[01:30] <vivid> thats why it says development release
[01:30] <vivid> you're taking chances, in the future, ignore partial upgrades would be my advice, but that doesnt mean its what went wrong
[01:31] <reya276> I know that, but it's killing GRUB which is the basic way to switch between versions, I can understand if after you log in nothing works, great
[01:32] <vivid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:32] <reya276> ok I will wait until I get safe confirmation from Ubuntu Blogs stating is ok to upgrade or something, thanks
[01:32] <vivid> this might help, ignore the windows thing, it just means after installing another system
[01:32] <vivid> youll need a livecd though
[01:32] <reya276> I have the live USB stick
[01:33] <reya276> is that ok?
[01:33] <vivid> if it gives you a live session, yes
[01:37] <reya276> ok let me try it, thanks
[01:38] <bpr> I've been reading a little about Gnome 3.  It says "messaging is built in" and that you can reply to a new IM directly in the notification pop up.  Does unity do that too?
[01:38] <reya276> vivid, you know what is the funny part of all this is that 11.04 is working like if it were an actual final released version, with the whole GRUB thing failing
[01:39] <bpr> yeah, my experience w/11.04 has been great
[01:40] <bpr> but i don't have another os on this machine, so no chance for grub issues
[02:18] <Tom__> does unity replace gnome or does it sit upon it????
[02:26] <DasEi> :) unity 2d works in vbox, nice thing to test
[05:51] <doodoo> when will we get fglrx in natty?
[05:54] <rww> when ATI releases a version of fglrx that works with natty's kernel and Xorg
[06:07] <hifi> that said: open source radeon welcomes you
[08:16] <ktosiek> Hi! I've got an asus 1015pn, and I'm using intel GPU. Netbook interface is not showing, I only get a wallpaper and some notifications (no errors, just what's always there)
[08:16] <ktosiek> is it a known problem?
[08:45] <uabn93> Where can we report bugs when natty is released next month since fresh releases always have them?
[08:49] <uabn93> heeloo?
[09:01] <zniavre> im trying to 'theme' the unity launcher somebody hav an idea how to do it please?
[09:02] <zniavre> i already try to modify launcher-background-top/bottom/middle.png with success
[09:04] <noam_> will vlc/totem have video hardware acceleration in the next ubuntu?
[09:04] <zniavre> i do not know
[09:06] <j0llyr0tten> since upgrading to dev version (natty) wifi no longer works
[09:06] <j0llyr0tten> please help. i just get timeout errors
[09:07] <j0llyr0tten> i even removed wpa auth and made it an open access point but no dice
[09:07] <j0llyr0tten> i tried googling but to no avail
[09:07] <j0llyr0tten> macbook w/ broadcom
[09:09] <j0llyr0tten> also: gsettings-data-convert (or something like that) crashed/crashes just after login at times - maybe this is related to my problem?
[09:14] <jnlsnl_> hi, im new to linux, will programs line "gnome planner" work in natty with unity and all ?
[09:21] <j0llyr0tten> why shouldn't it?
[09:45] <psypher246> hello all
[09:46] <psypher246> has anyone else have issues with unity not starting on a virtualbox vm? Since the latest updates unity has stopped working for me
[09:58] <vincenzoml> Hi all. After recent updates to natty, my evince does not have fonts in the GUI. It only displays boxes; I have limited band width, can anyone suggest packages to upgrade?
[09:59] <vincenzoml> actually, I don't see any messages trough, can you see me or do I have a bug in empathy?
[10:02] <vincenzoml> Hi, I don't know if I already asked, since empathy looks a bit weird today. I have garbled GUI fonts in evince, as of recent upgrades, and can't do a full upgrade
[10:03] <vincenzoml> so I need advice on which packages may be responsible
[10:06] <UndiFineD> vincenzoml: a font change might help, there was an update today on the ubuntu font
[10:07] <vincenzoml> UndiFineD: it's just a problem in evince, though
[10:07] <UndiFineD> hmm, maybe it uses a font that is broken
[10:08] <vincenzoml> let me see if I just update evince again...
[10:08] <vincenzoml> UndiFineD: it's very weird: the "open file" dialog in evince has boxes in place of letters, whereas the open file dialog in gedit doesnt
[10:10] <UndiFineD> what language do you on the desktop ?
[10:10] <vincenzoml> as we are speaking of weirdness, anyone has ever seen the empathy chat window enlarge as you type instead of going to a new line?
[10:10] <vincenzoml> UndiFineD: italian
[10:10] <UndiFineD> do you use*
[10:11] <UndiFineD> so it is a latin / utf8 issue
[10:12] <vincenzoml> hmm, LANG=C evince does not change things
[10:13] <UndiFineD> seems a lot like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/631088
[10:14] <vincenzoml> oh, thanks
[10:15] <UndiFineD> mark and subscribe :)
[10:16] <vincenzoml> the funny thing is that
[10:16] <vincenzoml> I don't have windows at all
[10:16] <UndiFineD> it is the windows font, not ms windows
[10:17] <UndiFineD> it could be happening with other fonts too
[10:17] <UndiFineD> report the font used to the bug
[10:18] <vincenzoml> UndiFineD: the point is, I never changed any fonts in the system, I'm using vanilla natty. What changed recently is that I wiped out all my dotfiles so to have a clean config
[10:18] <vincenzoml> that's even weirder, as I'm using defaults everywhere
[10:23] <vincenzoml> there's an update to the ubuntu fonts anyway
[10:23] <vincenzoml> let's see
[10:23] <UndiFineD> still, from them knowing the font used makes it a little easier to rack down
[10:33] <vincenzoml> thanks UndiFineD
[10:33] <UndiFineD> np
[10:53] <decoder> i'm still seeing:
[10:53] <roffe_> How would I know if I'm running unity 2D or 3D?
[10:53] <decoder> gtk-update-icon-cache: The generated cache was invalid.
[10:53] <decoder> WARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-dark
[10:53] <decoder> for mono-dark and mono-light
[10:53] <decoder> anyone else have this?
[10:57] <roffe_> How would I know if I'm running unity 2D or 3D?
[10:59] <cdbs> roffe_: By default you're running 3d
[10:59] <cdbs> roffe_: you can find that out easily. Check if you're running Compiz
[10:59] <cdbs> roffe_: Is compiz in System Monitor?
[11:00] <roffe_> cdbs, yes, though it says it's sleeping
[11:01] <cdbs> roffe_: then it means you're using 3d
[11:02] <roffe_> cdbs, Ok, thanks. Though I wonder why I cannot install fglrx. I thought it might have had something to do with it
[11:02] <gnomefreak> fglrx is still broken IIRC
[11:03] <gnomefreak> see link in /topic
[11:04] <roffe_> gnomefreak, Thanks, I just figured it was a problem only for my hw. Great to know it's not
[11:06] <psypher246> ello all
[11:06] <psypher246> has anyone else have issues with unity not starting on a virtualbox vm? Since the latest updates unity has stopped working for me
[11:11] <gnomefreak> well it seems apport-collect causes compiz to crash :(
[11:14] <ali1234> psypher246: bug 738330
[11:14] <psypher246> thanks
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i have 2 white blocks, blocking the Ubuntu icon in upper left of screen. it started on this bootafter todays updates
[11:25] <gnomefreak> icon is still usable though
[11:53] <psypher246> yay unity is back, thanks ali1234
[11:53] <ali1234> it is?
[11:54] <psypher246> when u mouseover the the ubuntu icon, should you not be able to click on the luancher?
[11:55] <psypher246> i actually have to click on the menu
[11:55] <psypher246> bug or feature?
[12:01] <ali1234> psypher246: how did you make it work?
[12:02] <psypher246> installed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 over the native guest additions
[12:02] <ali1234> i did that
[12:02] <ali1234> still doesn't work
[12:02] <psypher246> and now unity works and is actually stable
[12:02] <psypher246> hmm
[12:02] <psypher246> did u turn on 3d accell?
[12:02] <ali1234> yes
[12:03] <ali1234> i just see the wallpaper, if i right click i get a menu
[12:03] <ali1234> to panel/launcher or anything
[12:03] <ali1234> *no
[12:03] <ali1234> also it is incredibly slow
[12:04] <psypher246> i did re-install the guest additions again before i installed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[12:04] <ali1234> virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 is the same thing as guest additions
[12:04] <psypher246> last time u updated, did u do a dist-upgrade as well?
[12:04] <psypher246> yeah but i installed the actuall virtualbox guest addiditons
[12:04] <psypher246> from the iso
[12:04] <ali1234> i did a fresh install from the daily image
[12:05] <ali1234> gnome-terminal
[12:05] <ali1234> oops
[12:05] <psypher246> do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:05] <ali1234> there are no updates
[12:05] <psypher246> weird
[12:06] <psypher246> try install the vbox guest addit from iso then re-install the ubuntu one
[12:06] <psypher246> i also had the issue u had earlier today, but after upgrading it was fixed
[12:06] <ali1234> i can't
[12:06] <ali1234> i can't do anything because i don't get fallback
[12:07] <psypher246> right ctrl-f1
[12:07] <psypher246> on sli
[12:07] <psypher246> cli
[12:07] <ali1234> ah thanks
[12:07] <psypher246> cd /media/virtualbox summing
[12:07] <psypher246> it should be mounted
[12:07] <psypher246> maybe :/
[12:17] <ali1234> now X won't start at all
[12:17] <psypher246> oh fun
[12:17] <ali1234> the Xorg module included on the guest additions CD is not compatible with natty xorg
[12:20] <ali1234> reinstalled distro packages, result is same as before
[12:20] <ali1234> it looks like compiz is restarting on an endless loop
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo find /etc -name "*vboxadd*" -exec rm {} \;
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo find /etc -name "*vboxvfs*" -exec rm {} \;
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo rm -r /usr/src/vboxadd-*
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo rm -r /usr/src/vboxvfs-*
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo rm /usr/sbin/vboxadd-timesync
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/vboxadd.ko
[12:21] <psypher246> sudo rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/vboxvfs.ko
[12:21] <psypher246> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=7839
[12:21] <psypher246> try that to remove
[12:22] <ali1234> why?
[12:22] <ali1234> that's what uninstalling the package does
[12:28] <ali1234> ah... it's not even compiz that is causing the crash
[12:28] <ali1234> oh hang on
[12:30] <tzanger> good morning... Is it possible to find out what exactly crashreporter is trying to report about? it is asking me questions about the crash and I have no idea what to answer since I can't tell what crashed
[12:31] <tzanger> also... where would the best place to report a loading "dependency" issue? My bluetooth driver is part of the omnibook (toshiba u300) driver, and in natty it seems that bluetoothd starts before omnibook gets a chance to load, so no bt. If I restart bluetoothd, bt works perfectly.
[12:31] <ali1234> ah here is the crash: OpenGL Error: Out of memory trying to allocate 1013234308 bytes
[12:32] <ali1234> that's nearly a gigabyte
[12:41] <psypher246> memory leak?
[12:42] <susundberg> that wouldnt be single allocation?
[12:57] <tzanger> How would one go about reporting a startup order regression? my bluetooth driver is part of the omnibook driver, but bluetoothd starts before this driver loads, so no bluetooth. If I restart the bluetooth service after everything's up bluetooth works beautifully.
[13:12] <susundberg> tzanger: report it as normal bug
[13:12] <susundberg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[13:13] <tzanger> susundberg: under what package though, bluetooth?
[13:17] <susundberg> i would go for bluetoothd
[13:18] <susundberg> that would be package 'bluez'
[13:49] <lvh> Hey
[13:49] <lvh> How do I get to the files on my other ubuntu box in the network?
[13:50] <lvh> (without using ubuntu one, since we're talking multi-gb movies)
[13:50] <yofel> easiest would be to install openssh-server on the other box, then you can use sftp to transfer things
[13:51] <lvh> well, I know about sshfs, that's not really the problem
[13:51] <lvh> Both boxes are running sshds, have shared public keys, and ssh-agent set up correctly
[13:52] <yofel> so...?
[13:52] <lvh> However, in ubuntu 10.04 I could just add a remote host, like I did for ftp
[13:52] <lvh> Except ssh
[13:52] <lvh> (Gnome menu > Places > Connect to Server...)
[13:52] <yofel> k, I fear I don't know the networking UI of gnome that well :S
[13:52] <lvh> well
[13:53] <lvh> Okay, how do I mount a remote filesystem on some box on my network in unity, then
[13:53] <lvh> preferably an answer that doesn't involve "open a terminal"
[13:53] <yofel> someone else hopefully has an answer for that, I'm on KDE
[13:53] <lvh> *I* understand how to use sshfs, my mom probably doesn't (and she doesn't want to either)
[13:54] <yofel> agreed, my dad doesn't even know what ssh is
[14:04] <ali1234> lvh: first, switch to gnome classic desktop, then it's places -> connect to server
[14:05] <ali1234> i have a feeling we're going to be hearing stuff like that a lot in a few months
[14:05] <lvh> ali1234: Uhuh
[14:05] <lvh> ali1234: I'm just trying this stuff out so I can tell people who just want to use their computers if it's okay ot use it yet
[14:06] <ali1234> it's not
[14:06] <bcurtiswx> what channel would I go to talk to someone about my headphone jack not redirecting sound to headphones when i plug headphones in
[14:06] <lvh> ali1234: Isn't it going to be released in a month?
[14:06] <ali1234> lvh: supposedly :)
[14:06] <bcurtiswx> in natty of course
[14:07] <lvh> ali1234: I did it yesterday because yesterday was the UI freeze
[14:07] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: i have a little bit of knowledge about that
[14:07] <lvh> ali1234: don't worry about me: I just replaced by xinitrc with a full-screen no window manager emacs nightly
[14:07] <lvh> err
[14:07] <lvh> my*
[14:08] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, how do I fix that
[14:08] <ali1234> if you load up alsamixer (terminal) you will probably find a sound card option called "Independent HP"
[14:08] <ali1234> when it's turned off, it means line out/headphones will be independent
[14:08] <ali1234> sorry, when it is ON
[14:08] <ali1234> when it is OFF, plugging the headphones should mute the speakers
[14:09] <ali1234> i have to turn it ON because my motherboard is messed up and mutes the speakers randomly when i have no headphones plugged in
[14:09] <ali1234> i have a bug report about this too
[14:09] <bcurtiswx> HDA ATI SB/HDMI are my sound cards
[14:09] <ali1234> yep, HDA here too
[14:10] <ali1234> i don't use HDMI audio
[14:12] <bcurtiswx> i dont' see independant HP
[14:12] <lvh> ali1234: I found a workaround
[14:12] <lvh> open nautilus
[14:15] <roffe_> is there any gui in ubuntu that could tell what graphic card and which driver you are using?
[14:16] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: you might have to scroll far to the right
[14:16] <ali1234> failing that i don't know any more
[14:18] <roffe_> am I really forced to use the terminal to find out such basic information? How user-friendly was ubuntu again?
[14:21] <patdk-wk> roffe_, heh, mine is right there in hardware drivers
[14:24] <roffe_> patdk-wk, allright, mine isn't. Only if I'd use the prop driver, though it still wouldn't say exactly which card I have. I think it would be rather obvious to have a system setting tell me which driver is currently in use
[14:25] <zniavre> nobody  tried to modify the launcher appearence?
[14:38] <zniavre> !vlc
[14:39] <bcurtiswx> whats the easiest way to install skype on Natty?
[14:47] <ankreloaded__> bcurtiswx: search for it in software center, it will automatically recommend it as a partner repository which you can add
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> ankreloaded__, hmm, i did and it doesn't come up.. just plugins for things like pidgin etc..
[14:50] <ankreloaded__> um well it did recommend for me
[15:25] <Moc> Anyone can test something quickly ? (require a sound card and audio to playback ;)
[16:06] <cmyrland> Hey guys. I just noticed something: In the Unity Dash the options "browse the web", "view photos", "check email" and "listen to music" should be sort of "symlinked" to the user's preferred program. I use Opera as default browser, but in the dash it's firefox. Not good.
[17:44] <EvilPhoenix> are there any known issues trying to load the Alpha (for testing purposes) into a VBox virtual machine?
[17:45] <farmer> Hi, how can I update a system running maverick to natty alpha?
[17:46] <farmer> Ah, nevermind
[17:46] <charlie-tca> EvilPhoenix: 3d is failing here, I can not run unity so I have to use the classic-gnome session
[17:47] <EvilPhoenix> charlie-tca:  even with 3d acceleration enabled in the vbox session?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:47] <EvilPhoenix> charlie-tca:  would I be better off installing this in a small partition on my non-production system and just share the swap space that my Maverick install uses?
[17:47] <EvilPhoenix> or am I likely to bork my computer then>?
[17:48] <EvilPhoenix> s/>?/?/
[17:48] <charlie-tca> I don't think I would share anything.
[17:48] <charlie-tca> It does work for me on hardware, though.
[17:48] <EvilPhoenix> even though its a swap partition?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> I don't really know the results of sharing it with maverick. I gave up that a couple of releases back when I screwed up my installation
[17:50] <EvilPhoenix> :P
[17:50] <EvilPhoenix> i have a feeling my computer is going to hate me for giving Natty Alpha 1GB of RAM to work with in VBox >.>
[17:51] <charlie-tca> ouch
[17:51] <charlie-tca> I only give it 512 MB here
[17:51] <EvilPhoenix> i've got 4GB physical RAM and like... i THINK 8-16GB of swap space though *shurgs*
[17:51] <EvilPhoenix> uhm... i think i froze my system o.o
[17:51] <EvilPhoenix> time for tty-forced reboot >.>
[17:51] <charlie-tca> runniong up a live natty desktop in VBox, let's see what it does today
[17:52] <charlie-tca> It worked for alpha3 testing, but has been failing me since then
[17:53] <charlie-tca> hm, no panels, no dash, no dock
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[17:53] <charlie-tca> got the desktop with two icons, one is Examples folder, and one is Install icon
[17:53] <EvilPhoenix> whoo, now i've got to wait 4 minutes to get the iso >.>
[17:59] <farmer> Ubuntu 10.10 is giving me an error for trying to upgrade a ubuntu install which started as Xubuntu with the ubuntu-desktop package, how can I install these?
[18:01] <EvilPhoenix> farmer:  10.10 questions should be asked in #ubuntu, not here
[18:01] <EvilPhoenix> farmer:  and FYI, you shouldn't upgrade to Natty from Maverick just yet
[18:01] <EvilPhoenix> because Natty is still in Alpha
[18:02] <farmer> I'm upgrading it to natty
[18:02] <farmer> aye, I'd like to test it, I updated this desktop fine
[18:02] <EvilPhoenix> farmer:  yeah, when?  because Natty is in Alpha, and isnt supposed to be used in a production environment
[18:02] <EvilPhoenix> if you actually want to test Natty, don't upgrade Maverick to it, install Natty alongside (although i've seen times that the installer blows away your entire hard drive in the process anyways)
[18:03] <farmer> okay, is there a way to put the latest natty version of unity onto maverick?
[18:05] <EvilPhoenix> farmer:  the latest version of Unity isnt even backported to Maverick.  AFAIK, the backports from Natty to Maverick will (maybe) occur after Natty is released stable.
[18:06] <farmer> ah, okay, thanks
[18:08] <EvilPhoenix> farmer:  so you may have to wait for the stable release before you can get the latest version of Unity put onto Maverick
[18:08] <EvilPhoenix> and that's assuming someone actually backports it
[18:19] <charlie-tca> farmer: if both Xubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop packages are installed, the upgrade will fail
[18:19] <charlie-tca> You have to remove one of those packages.
[18:21] <EvilPhoenix> wow its being slow to install today... even in virtual environment (maybe because of the 1GB RAM I gave it, which overflowed into my swap space...?
[18:21] <EvilPhoenix> )
[18:22] <EvilPhoenix> tis hanging on "Installing Software" on the install screen
[18:22] <EvilPhoenix> and i told it to update packages too (maybe that's why?)
[18:22] <EvilPhoenix> s/Software/System/
[18:23] <farmer> charlie-tca, Thanks, am trying that now :)
[18:23] <charlie-tca> It took mine a very long time to install today.
[18:23] <charlie-tca> the desktop installs took much longer than the alternate installs, too.
[18:24] <farmer> charlie-tca, It installs, thanks for your help! :)
[18:24] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:24] <EvilPhoenix> oop, there it is.  had to force ACPI reboot on the virtual system though.  oop, there's the 102degC thermal warnings >.>
[18:25] <EvilPhoenix> quick question... how can I tell if Unity is running, or whether classic-gnome is running?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> do you have panels top and bottom, or a thing on the left?
[18:26] <EvilPhoenix> top and bottom
[18:26] <EvilPhoenix> so classic gnome then
[18:26] <charlie-tca> panels top and bottom are classic-gnome
[18:26] <EvilPhoenix> any way to force-start unity, and see if it errors out?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> top only with the thing on the left is unity
[18:27] <charlie-tca> log out, choose "desktop-session" from the login screen, after hitting enter on the user
[18:27] <trism> EvilPhoenix: it probably did try and error out, check ~/.xsession-errors and you should see what happened
[18:28] <EvilPhoenix> speak of the devil...
[18:28] <EvilPhoenix> Unity is running :P
[18:28] <EvilPhoenix> and is operational :P
[18:28] <EvilPhoenix> oop there goes the crash
[18:29] <EvilPhoenix> strange... vbox crashed that time o.O
[18:30] <aakshay>  apt is not able to access the archives.. what can be done to correct this? :(
[18:30] <EvilPhoenix> woah, that's weird.
[18:30] <EvilPhoenix> trism:  okay, unity died, so i put it up in classic gnome
[18:31] <EvilPhoenix> the classic gnome feel of the dark panels just randomly changed to the not-so-streamlined theme, all white and stuff, reminds me a ton of ancient winblows' taskbar and theming
[18:33] <EvilPhoenix> that might be a glitch in vbox or something :/
[18:41] <EvilPhoenix> so where do I report bugs in Natty, here?
[18:41] <EvilPhoenix> because an assertion error caused  the terminal program to crash
[18:43] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:43] <charlie-tca> !bugs
[19:36] <mungo-> i got alot of updates over night does that often happen or was my system not fully updated perhaps yesterday ?
[19:37] <yofel> happens often, at least if you mean 50 updates a day are a lot
[19:37] <mungo-> compiz is much more stable
[19:37] <mungo-> and ubuntuone works
[19:37] <mungo-> yep thats a bunch
[19:38] <yofel> compiz stable? then be happy, crashes every time I try to login to unity here
[19:38] <mungo-> thats all i've been using.  it'll take time for me to adjust and learn all the new tricks.  after last night, not a single flip of a light switch so to speak
[19:40] <mungo-> i always liked docks, i suppose there is nothing too special about this one, i hope it get better themey or something i'm using it on a desktop but i suppose its just fine for that too
[19:40] <mungo-> will there be an option to use gnome instead of unity once natty becomes final ?
[19:41] <mungo-> my laser printer either bit the dust, or is non-functional on natty.  ironically i had a backup come in about the same time that one started to act weird.
[19:42] <mungo-> i've actually flipped through a number of things, and overnight, compiz hasn't given me a single issue while using nvidia propietary drivers
[19:43] <mungo-> is it just or is ubuntuone very inexpensive in comparison to dropbox ?
[19:43] <mungo-> just me
[19:43] <yofel> mungo-: you can already use gnome, select 'classic' on the login screen
[19:44] <mungo-> yes yofel.  and i have, back when i had problems.  i literally distro hopped and no matter where i went there was an issue that i couldn't tolerate, last stop was fedora, i installed natty one more time, i was too exhausted to realized that all i likely needed to get dropbox function was to nukes its .config dir though i'm thinking ubuntuone is a better value ?
[19:45] <yofel> no idea. I have both running here with 2GB profiles, both run fine, but ubuntuone is less work to set up
[19:46] <mungo-> ok thank you
[19:49] <PSN|VegaMan> anyone good at installing stuff?
[19:49] <PSN|VegaMan> i downloaded vmware player but i dunno how to install it
[19:49] <arand> PSN|VegaMan: You running Natty?
[19:49] <PSN|VegaMan> natty?
[19:50] <PSN|VegaMan> i dunno what natty is or if i have it
[19:50] <PSN|VegaMan> i just know i have 10.10
[19:50] <arand> PSN|VegaMan: Support for that versio is in #ubuntu
[19:50] <PSN|VegaMan> oh
[19:51] <PSN|VegaMan> ok
[20:08] <doodoo> when wil we get fglrx for natty?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> within the next 5 weeks?
[20:53] <greyhatsalafi> anyone here know when natty will get the new paid games?
[21:34] <greyhatsalafi> anyone here know when natty will get the new paid games?
[21:36] <bazhang> uplink and darwinia?
[21:37] <greyhatsalafi> yeah
[21:41] <bazhang> probably in final, I'd guess
[21:42] <bazhang> I've not checked the software centre of late, so cannot say for certain
[21:42] <greyhatsalafi> my guess is also that
[21:43] <BUGabundo> olá
[21:50] <bjsnider> why does the copyright on nautilus end at 2009?
[21:50] <bjsnider> are we using a 2 year old nautilus now?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Maybe they quit copyrighting it?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> ahahaah
[21:58] <hacknslash> hi yall
[22:38] <yofel> mu3en: let's continue here, what kernel are you running?
[22:39] <yofel> or rather, what kernel crashed?
[22:39] <mu3en> oops
[22:39] <mu3en> hey
[22:39] <mu3en> linux-image-2.6.38-5-generic
[22:40] <mu3en> nothing special at all, natty install, experimental ppa for kdepim (no kernel stuff there)
[22:40] <mu3en> there were two different updates over the past three to four days
[22:40] <yofel> ah yeah, that would be a not-genuine package for apport since that kernel has already been removed from the archive
[22:40] <mu3en> (kernel related that is)
[22:40] <yofel> (yeah, the message is nonsense)
[22:41] <yofel> try to reproduce the crash with current 2.6.38-7
[22:43] <mu3en> okay, sounds okay, however:
[22:43] <mu3en> looks like this will remove grub-efi-amd64
[22:43] <mu3en> and i've literally been through hell to get a native efi boot for the first time ever...
[22:44] <mu3en> does grub-pc provide the same functionality?
[22:44] <mu3en> i guess that's why my kernel hasn't auto upgrade?
[22:48] <yofel> probably
[22:50] <mu3en> not finding much info, the whole grub-efi thing is a little edgy anyway
[22:51] <yofel> mu3en: hm, here it wants to remove grub-pc if I want to install grub-efi-amd64, but the kernel only recommends grub-pc and is thus not removed
[22:51] <mu3en> yeah
[22:51] <mu3en> i can see that
[22:51] <yofel> so that shouldn't be the reason it doesn't want to install it, do you have linux-image-generic installed?
[22:52] <yofel> (that's the meta package that takes care of the updates usually)
[22:53] <mu3en> ah. hold on, you're onto something. i used the 'expert' install and selected the non generic kernel...
[22:53] <yofel> well, linux-image-server then or whatever
[22:53] <mu3en> same result though when trying to install linux-image-generic
[22:54] <mu3en> in fact all seem to want grub-pc
[22:54] <yofel> well, they recommend it, but that shouldn't force a removal of the other package...
[22:55] <mu3en> i see from apt-cache search -f that it is indeed only recommended not dependent
[22:56] <mu3en> so seems odd that it is trying to replace grub-efi-amd64
[22:57] <mu3en> very strange 'apt-get install grub-efi-amd64 efibootmgr linux-image-2.6.38-7-generic' does just fine
[22:58] <yofel> :/
[22:58] <mu3en> though it reports efibootmgr and grub-ef-amd64 are latest versions...
[22:58] <mu3en> that's one of the wierder things i've come across.
[22:59] <mu3en> but looks like it's updating fine
[22:59] <mu3en> willr eboot and relogin.
[23:03] <graingert> heya
[23:03] <graingert> does anyone know what this is? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1353167/Workspace%201_005.png (Strange black dots in a regular pattern)
[23:04] <graingert> a bunch of duff pixels, but they are actually displayed and screendumpable
[23:06] <Random832> graingert: oes it persist if you drag the window over it?
[23:06] <graingert> no, but it returns as soon as pixels stop updating
[23:06] <Random832> have you tried restarting X? oes it do it on the console [if you fill the console with a color other than black]
[23:06] <Random832> what if you boot to a different OS?
[23:10] <graingert> happens only after first x restart
[23:10] <graingert> ie works fine from boot
[23:10] <graingert> then forever more returns
[23:11] <graingert> it picks a screen at random always that pattern
[23:11] <graingert> only on natty, used to happen a bit on 9.04 never on 10.*
[23:12] <graingert> I have win7 and it does not happen
[23:12] <graingert> does not happen on the console
[23:13] <graingert> any ideas?
[23:14] <IdleOne> used to happen on 9.04 also?
[23:14] <IdleOne> maybe it is hardware related
[23:14] <mu3en> awesome. the suspend resume is not crashing with new kernel
[23:15] <mu3en> "however"... i guess some other people must be missing this updated kernel due to the 'unusual' issue surrounding grub-efi-amd64
[23:16] <mu3en> clearly updates via kpackagekit or apt-get are not getting this
[23:16] <mu3en> and if the manual install is done without specifying additional installs as above, people could get a nasty surprise
[23:36] <graingert> IdleOne, yes it's hardware and software related
[23:36] <graingert> are the new nvidia drivers out for ubuntu+1?
[23:37] <bjsnider> 270.30 is
[23:59] <graingert> bjsnider, does that work with latest x?
[23:59] <bjsnider> yes it does